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Seaboard 1932 ARA box cars

Rob Kirkham <rdkirkham@...>
 

I've now had a chance to compare the information discussed here last week with the drawings Ben Hom referred to - these were printed in the November 1992 MM (and copied to me off list by another list member). of course, what I'm about to write goes on the assumption the drawings are correct.

These are drawn showing the correct 31'-2 3/4" between the trucks and 5'6" from king pin to strikers. The overall length (striker to striker) is shown as 42'-3 3/4". For the width, the measurement from centre line to outer edge of the sheathing on the bolster is 4'-8 3/8", so the width of the car at the sills is about 9'-4 3/4". Divided by 87.08571908, it makes an HO model about 1.295" wide.

So how does the Red Caboose X29 measure up in comparison (as a potential donor of parts)? It is about 1.299" wide, which seems pretty close to me. Given its length of 5.680" long, (i.e., about 41'-2 1/2" in HO) and given the length of the Seaboard ARA 1932 boxcar, 41' 2 1/2", it seems that a Red Caboose X29 roof would make a good donor roof for a kitbash model of the Seaboard car; the end a good starting point for a splice job (correct rivet pattern/wrong location for the seam between upper and lower panels); and the sides the only remaining challenge. By the way, according to the Hundman drawings, the Seaboard roofs are the same number of panels and same rivet pattern as the PRRX29 Red Caboose models. In that regard, they are either inaccurate, or Ted's use of the word "reminiscent" is analogous to "alike".

FWIW given the obvious choice of using a Sunshine model already on the market and modifying the sill tabs and underframe (if necessary - given the back and forth over dimensions, I confess I'm still not sure about that ......)

Rob Kirkham

----- Original Message -----
From: "benjaminfrank_hom" <b.hom@worldnet.att.net>
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 4:15 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Seaboard 1932 ARA box cars


Rob Kirkham wrote:
[From Ted Culotta's 1932 ARA boxcar book:]
"'However the truck centres were spaced at a distance of 31' - 2 3/4",
approximately six inches greater than the 30'-8 1/2" between truck
centres on the majority of the 1932 ARA cars.'
And at p.197, speaking of the next series of 1932 ARA design cars:
'Like the first 1000 cars, this group used truck centres spaced at a
distance of 31' - 2 3/4".'"

Al Brown replied:
"If the truck centers were 6" farther apart than normal, that indeed
suggests the kingpins were 3" closer to the car end. I stand by what
I said, though, about the appearance. Check out the side-on photos on
pp 200 (both), 203 (top), 204 (top). The wheels are visibly offset in
from the car end."

Rob, thanks for confirming the different spacing used on the SAL 1932
ARA boxcars. You will need to relocate the side sill tabs with the
bolsters. That's an easy enough fix - just fabricate the new tabs
from strip styrene and detail them with two Grandt Line or Tichy
rivets.

This does bring up another thing to verify - we need to check to see
if the Hundman drawings have the correct bolster locations.


Ben Hom




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Re: Amount of products

Kurt Laughlin <fleeta@...>
 

----- Original Message -----
From: tmolsen@UDel.Edu

Kurt,

The Naperville attendance is close to 400 attendees. As I have not been to Coco Beach, I cannot say.

----- Original Message -----

That's comparable to the annual all-armor modeling show I attend (AMPS 2007, Havre de Grace MD: 130 contestants, 350 walk-ins, 34 vendors with 80 tables). I've mentioned before the differences between armor and freight car modeling in the available products and references (definitely more armor items), and one view was that there were fewer freight car hobbyists than armor modelers. Also, given that the freight car "convention" attracts people willing to pay $90 to $95 just to walk in the door (gadzooks!) while the armor people sometimes balk at $25, I suspect the price threshold for products would be higher too.

My point being, for two modeling hobbies that are known for their rivet counters, I'm surprised that there aren't more things like low-pressure/limited run styrene kits, resin models, resin conversion sets and resin and photo-etch detail sets available for freight cars.

KL


Re: NAPERVILLE 2007

tmolsen@...
 

Kurt,

The Naperville attendance is close to 400 attendees. As I have not been to Coco Beach, I cannot say.

Tom Olsen
Newark, Delaware, 19711-7479


Re: Sunshine Models Shipping Charge? (was Sunshine Contact Info)

tmolsen@...
 

Al,

The shipping cost for up to five kits from Sunshine is still $4.00. The wait for the kits is still approximately 6 months.
If you order, just put the order with a check in an envelope and mail it and forget it. It will show up sooner or later in the six month period.

If you go to the Sunshine Proto meet at Naperville, you can get the latest stuff right away, but for the earlier stuff, then you have to wait the six months.

Regards,

Tom Olsem
7 Boundary Road, West Branch
Newark, Delaware, 19711-7479
(302) 738-4292
tmolsen@udel.edu


Re: NAPERVILLE 2007

Kurt Laughlin <fleeta@...>
 

What is the typical attendance at Naperville and Cocoa Beach?

KL


Re: Free State Systems

Michael Watnoski
 

Hi John,

Here I am!

Michael Watnoski
Free State Systems


John Golden wrote:


Gentlemen,

Anybody got an e-mail and/or website address for Mike
Watnoski over at Free State Systems? Thanks for the
help.

John

John Golden
Bloomington, IN

http://www.pbase.com/golden1014


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Re: Free State Systems

tmolsen@...
 

Hi John,

I do not have Mike's address and email address at hand at present, but here is his telephone number:

(410) 667-1668 (Home)
(443) 676-6692 (Cell)

Hope that this helps.

Tom Olsen
7 Boundary Road, West Branch
Newark, Delaware, 19711-7479
(302) 738-4292
(302) 740-2897
tmolsen@udel.edu


Grain doors

Eric
 

A question about grain doors, both wood and paper. Were they
installed on both sides of the car or just the side they were loading?

It would seem to me you would put them on both sides since wouldn't
know which side of the car might be opened.

Eric Petersson


Re: Free State Systems

Richard Dermody <ddermody@...>
 

John,

I believe he's on this list, but the e-mail I have recorded is;

freestatesystems1@comcast.net

Dick

On Sep 9, 2007, at 1:21 PM, John Golden wrote:

Gentlemen,

Anybody got an e-mail and/or website address for Mike
Watnoski over at Free State Systems? Thanks for the
help.

John

John Golden
Bloomington, IN

http://www.pbase.com/golden1014




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Re: NAPERVILLE 2007

benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
 

Rich Christie wrote:
"I am going to be moving to the Joliet area at the start of October.
I am planning on attending the show. This is going to be the first
time for me, so I have a question. Is there any cost to attend the
show?"

Rich, I've uploaded the flyer with all of the details in the group
files section (cut and paste the link in your browser's address block
if it gets truncated by a line break):
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/STMFC/files/Sunshine%20Models%
20Naperville%20%2707/


Ben Hom


Re: Amount of products

Charles Hladik
 

KL,
My guess is that the "tread heads" venue is less expensive to rent. I've
not been to either, but it is good practice to stay in the same place year
after year so that everyone knows where to meet.
As for products, a lot of us can't keep up with what's released almost
daily.
Chuck Hladik



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Re: NAPERVILLE 2007

Greg Martin
 

In a message dated 9/9/2007 3:51:16 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
fleeta@verizon.net writes:




What is the typical attendance at Naperville and Cocoa Beach?

KL


"KL"

Several hundred at either one generally more at Naperville and don't forget
the Western Prototype Modeler event as well they can draw nearly 200 on any
Saturday... All great events.

Greg Martin







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Re: NAPERVILLE 2007

Greg Martin
 

In a message dated 9/9/2007 3:51:16 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
fleeta@verizon.net writes:




What is the typical attendance at Naperville and Cocoa Beach?

KL








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Free State Systems

golden1014
 

Gentlemen,

Anybody got an e-mail and/or website address for Mike
Watnoski over at Free State Systems? Thanks for the
help.

John

John Golden
Bloomington, IN

http://www.pbase.com/golden1014


Re: Authenticast Magor side dump car? And Rock Island Tank Cars

sfeforever
 

Hi Steve. This info will help a lot !
Thanks, - - - Dwight Wedel.

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Steve and Barb Hile" <shile@...> wrote:

I have never seen a picture that shows these cars with a RI herald.
They were just plain black with RI initials and number. I know that
the domes were yellow on the ones in the 70's, but would not infer that
to be true in the 50's.

I hope that helps.

Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: sfeforever
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 9:26 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Authenticast Magor side dump car? And Rock
Island Tank Cars


Grain Door Construction

w2msj
 

I am trying to determine the size and construction of wood grain
doors. Dan Holbrook wrote an article: Introduction to Bulk Grain Door
Handling. In the article he references a (1938?) reprint of "AAR
Standard Grain Door". My copy did not include this reprint and a
google and archive search did not provide the information. Can someone
point me to a location where I might find this information? Thanks,
Lynn Finch


Re: NAPERVILLE 2007

gary laakso
 

Yes, registration the covers all the events and admission is $90 and $95 after Sept 15.

----- Original Message -----
From: Rich Christie
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 9/9/2007 10:22:10 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: NAPERVILLE 2007


Hi Group,

I am going to be moving to the Joliet area at the start of October. I
am planning on attending the show. This is going to be the first time
for me, so I have a question.

Is there any cost to attend the show?

Thanks,
Rich Christie
Uprooting from Railtown 1897 in California

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "joel norman" <mec-bml@...> wrote:

What method are we going to use to ID each other (for those going to
Naperville this year)as STMFC members???I wear NewEngland railroad(
MEC
BM Rutland ) T shirts...
See ya all in Naperville
Joel Norman Eastern Maine Railroad ''were its always
spring/summer '52"


Re: NAPERVILLE 2007

Rich C
 

Hi Group,

I am going to be moving to the Joliet area at the start of October. I
am planning on attending the show. This is going to be the first time
for me, so I have a question.

Is there any cost to attend the show?

Thanks,
Rich Christie
Uprooting from Railtown 1897 in California


--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "joel norman" <mec-bml@...> wrote:

What method are we going to use to ID each other (for those going to
Naperville this year)as STMFC members???I wear NewEngland railroad(
MEC
BM Rutland ) T shirts...
See ya all in Naperville
Joel Norman Eastern Maine Railroad ''were its always
spring/summer '52"


Re: Sunshine Models Shipping Charge? (was Sunshine Contact Info)

al_brown03
 

Hi y'all --

What's the current Sunshine shipping charge? Latest literature I have
says $4 for up to five kits, which is a bargain if still accurate ...
so I thought I'd check.

-- thanks --

-- Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.


Re: Sunshine Models Contact Info (was Seaboard 1932 ARA Boxcars)

tmolsen@...
 

Hi Gerry,

I do not think that Martin will be at Timonium this October considering the fact that the Naperville Proto meet is only about a week and one half after it.

Missed you at Ted's Protomeet at the Four Points Shearton at BWI yesterday and today. Quite a meet. As usual, Ted outdid himself and put on a very informative meet. A lot of information and a number of the attendees were of the Coco and Naperville group.

Regards,

Tom Olsen
Newark, De., 19711-7479

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