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Re: CB&Q to IHB Friday 10-Jul-59

Bruce Smith
 

Ray,

What's confusing? Try the first line of that page ;^)

"All Time List of Sunshine Models Kits (compiled by Jim Hayes) - updated March 2007- (PDF Format) or (Excel format)"

You can click on either the embedded hot links for the PDF or Excel files

In addition, they are in this group's FILES section under Sunshine Kits List.

Regards
Bruce

Bruce F. Smith
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On Sep 18, 2007, at 8:37 AM, Ray Meyer wrote:

I find that website very confusing. Where is the listing of what is
currently available and the price? The site appears to be all press
releases, some quite dated.



n 9/18/07, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@comcast.net> wrote:

Russ

Yes, three of the wood kits and the steel car kit
represent the bright red paint scheme of the 1950's.
Sunshine kits are only available direct. There is
a complete kit listing on Ted Culotta's web site:

http://www.steamfreightcars.com/modeling/new%20products/sunshine/ prodarchsunmain.html


Re: PRR X29s in passenger service (was: CB&Q to IHB Friday 10-Jul-59)

Andy Sperandeo <asperandeo@...>
 

Andy Miller wrote: "The conversion of PRR X29s for mail storage in passenger
service
required more than just signal lines. Also added were . . . tight lock
couplers . . . . If I am not
mistaken, the trucks were also upgraded for high speed service."

Others here know more about the PRR X29 express cars than I do, but the
photos I've seen don't show any special couplers, just the typical type E.
Also, while some examples had express-type trucks, many others had
conventional freight trucks (PRR type 2DF8?), although probably with steel
wheels. And they weren't only for mail storage service. The
passenger-service X29s carried express also, and in the "circle keystone"
scheme were lettered "Railway Express Agency."

So long,

Andy

Andy Sperandeo
Executive Editor
Model Railroader magazine
asperandeo@mrmag.com
262-796-8776, ext. 461
FAX 262-796-1142


Re: CB&Q to IHB Friday 10-Jul-59

Ray Meyer
 

I find that website very confusing. Where is the listing of what is
currently available and the price? The site appears to be all press
releases, some quite dated.



n 9/18/07, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@comcast.net> wrote:

Russ

Yes, three of the wood kits and the steel car kit
represent the bright red paint scheme of the 1950's.
Sunshine kits are only available direct. There is
a complete kit listing on Ted Culotta's web site:

http://www.steamfreightcars.com/modeling/new%20products/sunshine/prodarchsunmain.html


I don't know what a 41M designates. UP & SP used the
Harriman classification system. The Red Caboose car
is an S-40-5; Al Westerfield does all of the Harriman
car variations; Trix makes a pretty good S-40-12.
Athearn makes an S-40-12 too, but the roof panels are
reversed.

Besides the Classic Freight Cars book and Gene Green's
"Refrigerator Car Color Guide" you can try to find the
following magazine issues:

Railmodel Journal, 2/1993, 7/1993
Mainline Modeler, 2/1992, 3/1992, 4/1992

Tim O'Connor

At 9/18/2007 08:45 AM Tuesday, you wrote:
Tim,

OK, Are they in a 50's configuration and where do I
buy them? For all intents and purposes I have no hobby
shops available at all. Do all my shopping for just
about everything on the internet. Seldom go to any
store and don't use the phone unless the issue is
medical or legal.

UP 41M stock cars: are they the same as the Red
Caboose SP family of cars? Presume that were painted
mineral red. White or yellow lettering? Any slogans
on cars? Any ideas as to a source of photos?

Russ

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Re: Harriman Stock cars (was CB&Q to IHB Friday 10-Jul-59)

Garth G. Groff <ggg9y@...>
 

Russ,

You can view the Westerfield Harriman stock cars at their web site: http://www.westerfield.biz/ . Scroll down the table of contents to series 5200, 5300 and 5400. The Red Caboose model is essentially the same as Westerfield's 5300.

Kind regards,


Garth G. Groff

Russ wrote:

UP 41M stock cars: are they the same as the Red
Caboose SP family of cars? Presume that were painted
mineral red. White or yellow lettering? Any slogans
on cars? Any ideas as to a source of photos?

Russ


Re: CB&Q to IHB Friday 10-Jul-59

Tim O'Connor
 

Just realized I gave you directions for reefers not
stock cars. The UP and SP color guides have photos;
of course Tony Thompson's SP Freight Cars Volume 1
is invaluable; I have a few scans I can share; and
there are online sources like "Fallen Flags" etc.

Tim O'Connor

At 9/18/2007 08:45 AM Tuesday, you wrote:
Tim,

OK, Are they in a 50's configuration and where do I
buy them? For all intents and purposes I have no hobby
shops available at all. Do all my shopping for just
about everything on the internet. Seldom go to any
store and don't use the phone unless the issue is
medical or legal.

UP 41M stock cars: are they the same as the Red
Caboose SP family of cars? Presume that were painted
mineral red. White or yellow lettering? Any slogans
on cars? Any ideas as to a source of photos?

Russ


Re: CB&Q to IHB Friday 10-Jul-59

Tim O'Connor
 

Russ

Yes, three of the wood kits and the steel car kit
represent the bright red paint scheme of the 1950's.
Sunshine kits are only available direct. There is
a complete kit listing on Ted Culotta's web site:

http://www.steamfreightcars.com/modeling/new%20products/sunshine/prodarchsunmain.html

I don't know what a 41M designates. UP & SP used the
Harriman classification system. The Red Caboose car
is an S-40-5; Al Westerfield does all of the Harriman
car variations; Trix makes a pretty good S-40-12.
Athearn makes an S-40-12 too, but the roof panels are
reversed.

Besides the Classic Freight Cars book and Gene Green's
"Refrigerator Car Color Guide" you can try to find the
following magazine issues:

Railmodel Journal, 2/1993, 7/1993
Mainline Modeler, 2/1992, 3/1992, 4/1992

Tim O'Connor

At 9/18/2007 08:45 AM Tuesday, you wrote:
Tim,

OK, Are they in a 50's configuration and where do I
buy them? For all intents and purposes I have no hobby
shops available at all. Do all my shopping for just
about everything on the internet. Seldom go to any
store and don't use the phone unless the issue is
medical or legal.

UP 41M stock cars: are they the same as the Red
Caboose SP family of cars? Presume that were painted
mineral red. White or yellow lettering? Any slogans
on cars? Any ideas as to a source of photos?

Russ


PRR X29s in passenger service (was: CB&Q to IHB Friday 10-Jul-59)

Miller, Andrew S. <asmiller@...>
 

The conversion of PRR X29s for mail storage in passenger service
required more than just signal lines. Also added were steam lines,
stirrups under the door, tight lock couplers, marker light brackets,
and additional ladders, grabs, and a platform for access to the marker
light brackets. The last items were necessary because in passenger
service these cars could wind up on the end of a train. If I am not
mistaken, the trucks were also upgraded for high speed service.

regards,

Andy Miller

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The SP, UP, RI, GN, T&P, CNW, MILW, CB&Q, and many other
roads besides the PRR used ordinary box cars (equipped w/ signal
lines for passenger service) for storage mail & express. The Rock
Island, Santa Fe and SP all bought similar 70 ft cars in the late
50's to early 60's for mail & express.


Re: CB&Q to IHB Friday 10-Jul-59

Russ Strodtz <railfreightcars@...>
 

Tim,

OK, Are they in a 50's configuration and where do I
buy them? For all intents and purposes I have no hobby
shops available at all. Do all my shopping for just
about everything on the internet. Seldom go to any
store and don't use the phone unless the issue is
medical or legal.

UP 41M stock cars: are they the same as the Red
Caboose SP family of cars? Presume that were painted
mineral red. White or yellow lettering? Any slogans
on cars? Any ideas as to a source of photos?

Russ

----- Original Message -----
From: Tim O'Connor
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, 17 September, 2007 21:06
Subject: [STMFC] Re: CB&Q to IHB Friday 10-Jul-59


Russ Strodtz wrote

>I suppose it would be, that was where I worked. But
>you have to have the right cars and most of this stuff
>is not available. Think it over, has anyone ever made
>an accurate model of a Swift reefer?

Yes, Sunshine 24.1-3, 24.4-6, 24.22-24 (three different
cars in 9 variations), and 46.17 (steel car).

>My question was about modeling UP stock cars. Have
>heard nothing on that.

I missed the question... There are a number of choices
for UP stock cars.

Tim O'


Re: CB&Q to IHB Friday 10-Jul-59

Tim O'Connor
 

Umm, that's right Paul. You win tonight's "ditto" award.

At 9/17/2007 11:07 PM Monday, you wrote:
Excuse me guys! Sunshine kits 24.1-3, 24.4-6?and 24.22-24 are of only THREE different prototypes. You get to nine?different kits, because there is a selection of?THREE different sets of decals for each of the models.

Paul Lyons
Laguna Niguel, CA


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From: Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@comcast.net>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 7:06 pm
Subject: [STMFC] Re: CB&Q to IHB Friday 10-Jul-59






Russ Strodtz wrote

I suppose it would be, that was where I worked. But
you have to have the right cars and most of this stuff
is not available. Think it over, has anyone ever made
an accurate model of a Swift reefer?
Yes, Sunshine 24.1-3, 24.4-6, 24.22-24 (three different
cars in 9 variations), and 46.17 (steel car).

My question was about modeling UP stock cars. Have
heard nothing on that.
I missed the question... There are a number of choices
for UP stock cars.

Tim O'





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Re: Images: Loading Barrels Into A Boxcar

W.R.Dixon
 

James Eckman wrote:
Posted by: "Tim O'Connor"

Years ago I read that liquor boxes had a corner "punch out"
that longshoremen could break and remove a single bottle from
each case. This was done so they wouldn't break open the
whole case or steal it altogether.
I was too young to get the exact details of such goings on. I just heard longshoremen relatives talking about it. Interesting thought though, has anybody else ever heard of such a thing? I was always under the impression that whole cases fell off the crane and disappeared to be properly shared out later.
Jim Eckman
In pallet load shipments it was quite common for the top center box to end up empty. That was the case when I briefly worked for a shirt importer one summer.

Bill Dixon


Re: Shipping Box Shook By Rail (Was Re: Freight Shipped In Wooden Ba

Douglas Harding <dharding@...>
 

Greg, Bob and others, this spring at the Pacific Coast Region convention,
sawmill expert Jim Zeek gave several clincs. One included information about
westcoast box factory's the ones that cut the wood pieces to make orange
crates, etc. He showed several film clips of box factories cutting shook. He
explained that the mill would get a specific order for x number of pieces
cut to specific size. Then he showed us clips of workers cutting and
stacking all the various parts need to build boxes for packing produce.
These were bundled in stacks, tied and loaded into boxcars for shipping.
There were no randon lengths, or long pieces that I saw.

He passed out a multi page bibliography of books and videos.

One DVD he showed of a box factory is titled: "The Graeagle Lumber Mill"
which contains footage of box factory in operation at every stage. Orginal
film shot by the mill manger in the 50's.

Two books that contain info about box factories:
"Fruit Growers Supply Company - Hilt, Susanville Westwood and Burney" by Tim
I Purdy; Lahontan Images, Susanville, CA 1998
"Sugar Pine Railroad Memories-Recollections of a Steam Engineer" by Manuel
J. Marshall; Toulumne Co Historical Society; Wood Dancer Press, Fresno, CA
1991
This one has photos of box factory equipment with workers describing their
work.

Doug Harding
www.iowacentralrr.org

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Re: CB&Q to IHB Friday 10-Jul-59

Paul Lyons
 

Excuse me guys! Sunshine kits 24.1-3, 24.4-6?and 24.22-24 are of only THREE different prototypes. You get to nine?different kits, because there is a selection of?THREE different sets of decals for each of the models.

Paul Lyons
Laguna Niguel, CA

-----Original Message-----
From: Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@comcast.net>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 7:06 pm
Subject: [STMFC] Re: CB&Q to IHB Friday 10-Jul-59






Russ Strodtz wrote

I suppose it would be, that was where I worked. But
you have to have the right cars and most of this stuff
is not available. Think it over, has anyone ever made
an accurate model of a Swift reefer?
Yes, Sunshine 24.1-3, 24.4-6, 24.22-24 (three different
cars in 9 variations), and 46.17 (steel car).

My question was about modeling UP stock cars. Have
heard nothing on that.
I missed the question... There are a number of choices
for UP stock cars.

Tim O'





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Re: Middletown Cars

Kathe Robin <kathe@...>
 

Ted:

If it is not an inconvenience, I would dearly like to know the order #
and Drawing Journal where these cars appear, and obtain a copy of the
record containing it and any related documents for an order of 100 40'
wooden flat cars built by Middletown in the 1905 - 1907 (most likely
1905 or 1906) period for the West Virginia Pulp & Paper Company. (As you
may be aware, this was the company which built the town of Cass, WV, the
saw mills and well in excess of 100 miles of track. Their main line
from Slaty Fork (known as Laurel Bank on the Western Maryland) to Cheat
Bridge (app. 75 - 80 miles) is now owned by the State of WV and leased
to the operator of the Durbin & Greenbrier RR.)

The customer could be listed as any of the following:

West Virginia Pulp and Paper Company (WVP&P)
WVP&P - Greenbrier
West Virginia Spruce Lumber Co.
Greenbrier and Elk River RR


Could you possibly email the address of the Harrisburg Archives of the
Pennsylvania Historic Commision?

Thank you in advance for your time and efforts.

Max S. Robin, P.E.

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Ted Anderson
Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2007 10:38 AM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STMFC] Middletown Cars

How many people on this list have any interest in freight and passenger
equipment of the Middletown Car Company? In two weeks I plan to spend
time at the Harrisburg Archives of the Pennsylvania State Historic
Commission researching the drawing journals to begin an index of the
drawings for this car company, to locate drawings in the IRM's Pullman
Library. My first concern is to access the material on our shelves and
second, who could benefit. I will bring just one general drawing of an
early Serbian Railways 4-wh box car for display at the ARM meeting in
Washington PA but I have no idea how many domestic and export cars will
turn up in the future. So your input is valuable in determining the
eventual needs for this material.
Sincerely, Ted Anderson, curator of the Pullman Library at the Illinois
Railway Museum.


Re: CB&Q to IHB Friday 10-Jul-59

Tim O'Connor
 

Russ Strodtz wrote

I suppose it would be, that was where I worked. But
you have to have the right cars and most of this stuff
is not available. Think it over, has anyone ever made
an accurate model of a Swift reefer?
Yes, Sunshine 24.1-3, 24.4-6, 24.22-24 (three different
cars in 9 variations), and 46.17 (steel car).

My question was about modeling UP stock cars. Have
heard nothing on that.
I missed the question... There are a number of choices
for UP stock cars.

Tim O'


Re: CB&Q to IHB Friday 10-Jul-59

Russ Strodtz <railfreightcars@...>
 

Tim,

The CB&Q accepted all it's passenger equipment at
Lincoln NE. One reason is that was where they had
the Road's standard scale located. This included
the bi-level suburban equipment.

This move was made in freight service.

On the other hand I can recall getting new SP
baggage/mail cars and those they wanted at the
Coach Yard for loading and use in normal service.
Probably saved them a lot in shipping charges.

Russ

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Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: CB&Q to IHB Friday 10-Jul-59



I have a photo of a streamlined coach in an SP freight
in Texas... coupled between two box cars. I wonder how
common that was?

Tim O'Connor


Re: CB&Q to IHB Friday 10-Jul-59

Paul <buygone@...>
 

Tim:



It was not un-common to deadhead empty passenger cars around the system in
freight trains. First they tried to ship them deadhead in the mail trains,
if none available then a freight train.



Paul C. Koehler



_____

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O'Connor
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 5:57 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: CB&Q to IHB Friday 10-Jul-59




I have a photo of a streamlined coach in an SP freight
in Texas... coupled between two box cars. I wonder how
common that was?

Tim O'Connor

At 9/17/2007 06:21 PM Monday, you wrote:
You learn something every day; first time I've one show up in the
many consists listed

Roger H.
On Sep 17, 2007, at 10:18 AM, Russ Strodtz wrote:

Roger,

The car is empty. Where else would it be but in a freight?


Re: INK IN TANK CARS

Tim O'Connor
 

Tony wrote

Many offset and letterpress inks I've seen are less
viscous than molasses, and we know THAT was shipped
in tank cars.
To say nothing of tallow, which is quite solid when it
gets cold enough. And that is commonly shipped in tank
cars.

Tim O'Connor


Re: CB&Q to IHB Friday 10-Jul-59

Tim O'Connor
 

I have a photo of a streamlined coach in an SP freight
in Texas... coupled between two box cars. I wonder how
common that was?

Tim O'Connor

At 9/17/2007 06:21 PM Monday, you wrote:
You learn something every day; first time I've one show up in the
many consists listed

Roger H.
On Sep 17, 2007, at 10:18 AM, Russ Strodtz wrote:

Roger,

The car is empty. Where else would it be but in a freight?


Re: FS 1953 CBC -- Canadian Edition

boyds1949 <E27ca@...>
 

I have a 1953 Canadian Issue which I purchased at a show. The seller
had pealed off most of the pasted on orange cover to reveal the green
cover of the 1949-51 CBC which it really was.

Anyone interested may want to ask the seller to tell them what is on
the inside title page of the book. It may be a way to get a 1949-51
issue at a lower price.

John King



--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Larry Kline <lndkline@...> wrote:

Dave Nelson wrote:
New today on ABEbooks.com. Canadian edition, which, IIRC, I've
never
seen before. As usual, don't know seller.
--------
1. Car Builders' Cyclopedia 19th Edition Canadian Issue,
Price: US$ 150.00
------------

I have been looking at CBCycs on ebay for about two years. I have
seen the 1953 Canadian Issue several times. Based on what I've
seen,
if you're patient you can get CBCycs on ebay at prices well below
bookseller prices. The low prices for the 1919 and 1925 editions
below are for Cycs in very poor condition.

Larry Kline
Pittsburgh, PA

Here are CBCyc sales for the last few weeks:

Aug 23 1919 CBCyc poor $66.09
Aug 23 1925 CBCyc $280
Aug 23 1925 CBCyc poor $51.59
Jul 30 1931 CBCyc $315
Aug 12 1937 CBCyc $170.37
Jul 23 1943 CBCyc $126.37
Sep 11 1946 CBCyc $113.61
Sep 6 1946 CBCyc $130.35
Jul 12 1946 CBCyc $158.05
Aug 12 1946 CBCyc $191.60
Jul 30 1949-51 CBCyc $209.37
Sep 17 1949-51 CBCyc $210.50
Jul 30 1953 CBCyc $158.51
Jul 23 1953 CBCyc $76.59
Sep 11 1953 CBCyc Canadian Ed $59.99
Aug 26 1953 CBCyc fair $124.38
Aug 23 1957 CBCyc $64.57
Aug 23 1957 CBCyc fair $32.65
Aug 28 1957 CBCyc fair $52
Jul 30 1961 CBCyc $67.66

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Re: FS 1953 CBC -- Canadian Edition

Larry Kline
 

Dave Nelson wrote:
New today on ABEbooks.com. Canadian edition, which, IIRC, I've never
seen before. As usual, don't know seller.
--------
1. Car Builders' Cyclopedia 19th Edition Canadian Issue,
Price: US$ 150.00
------------

I have been looking at CBCycs on ebay for about two years. I have
seen the 1953 Canadian Issue several times. Based on what I've seen,
if you're patient you can get CBCycs on ebay at prices well below
bookseller prices. The low prices for the 1919 and 1925 editions
below are for Cycs in very poor condition.

Larry Kline
Pittsburgh, PA

Here are CBCyc sales for the last few weeks:

Aug 23 1919 CBCyc poor $66.09
Aug 23 1925 CBCyc $280
Aug 23 1925 CBCyc poor $51.59
Jul 30 1931 CBCyc $315
Aug 12 1937 CBCyc $170.37
Jul 23 1943 CBCyc $126.37
Sep 11 1946 CBCyc $113.61
Sep 6 1946 CBCyc $130.35
Jul 12 1946 CBCyc $158.05
Aug 12 1946 CBCyc $191.60
Jul 30 1949-51 CBCyc $209.37
Sep 17 1949-51 CBCyc $210.50
Jul 30 1953 CBCyc $158.51
Jul 23 1953 CBCyc $76.59
Sep 11 1953 CBCyc Canadian Ed $59.99
Aug 26 1953 CBCyc fair $124.38
Aug 23 1957 CBCyc $64.57
Aug 23 1957 CBCyc fair $32.65
Aug 28 1957 CBCyc fair $52
Jul 30 1961 CBCyc $67.66

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