Dick,

I know that by 1951 there was only one car listed with the blister panels -- but I've always
thought half the hoppers were rebuilt with blister sides.

This is what John Riddell showed in his article in RMC (10/96) --

man, a simple little modeling project to have a couple of modified PRR GLs to park under
the White River coal tower has turned into a real mystery . . .


See you at the convention next weekend?

Marty


--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Richard Dermody <ddermody@...> wrote:

Marty,

The July 1947 ORER paints a little bit different picture.

It lists two lines for CV hoppers;

Line 4 is Hopper, Twin, Steel panel sides, series 20000 to 20199, cu
ft 1769, 185 cars.

Line 5 is Hopper, Steel, Twin, series 20000 to 20199, cu ft 1680, 10
cars.

Note B to the hoppers is as follows:

Note B - Individual numbers of cars in series 20000 to 20199 equipped
with straight sides and differing in cubical capacity from other cars
in same series; capacity 1,680 cu. ft.: 20031 20077 20078 20094 20109
20115 20136 20145 20179 20191.

So it seems that in 1947, the majority (185) of the hoppers were
panel (blister) side while 10 were straight side, but by your 1951
ORER the numbers had essentially reversed so only 10 cars remained
with panel sides.

Dick

On Sep 23, 2007, at 8:42 AM, Martin McGuirk wrote:

I'm trying to pull together some details on the Central Vermont's
twin hoppers for a clinic I'm presenting at the CV Historical
Society. I know a number (100) of these cars got blister side panels
installed in the mid-to late 1930s -- what I don't know is if the
ORER listing for the the late 1930s and early 1940s list the cars by
number. Ideally I'd like to find a list of the cars numbers converted
-- these would show up in the ORER with a 1,769 cu. ft. capacity. The ORERs I have in my collection either pre-date or postdate these
cars. (By 1951 all but 10 had been converted back to flat panel
sides. Can anyone help out -- perhaps scan the CV pages from an ORER?

Thanks in advance,

Marty




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Tim,

You can build the IC, SOO and DSS&A cars with a Sunshine Mini Kit and a IM 10'-6" boxcar kit. However, if you want to be dead accurate model you are stuck with an IC car as the other two require a Klasing brake wheel. Oh, what an SP modeler would give for a Klasing wheel in HO.

Paul Lyons
Laguna Niguel, CA


-----Original Message-----
From: Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@comcast.net>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 9:43 pm
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Athearn Boxcars need Reworking

The Athearn 40' steel box has some dimensional problems. It represents
10'6" cars owned by IC, SOO, and DSS&A. With new doors, door tracks and
Detail Associates 5/5 S-corner ends, you can really improve on it. There
is no other plastic kit for this particular prototype. The Intermountain
car represents the more widely owned cars with W-corner post ends.

Many cars were 10'4" IH, but I'm not sure all of them were different from
10'6" IH cars on the outside. There can be differences in floor boards or
just a particular railroad's way of measuring the IH may be stricter than
others. Some roads listed 10'0" IH cars as 9'11" IH... Use the extreme
height of the cars to figure out how tall they were compared to others.

Tim O'

I understand the Athearn prototype is of a limited 1937 production run,
but I'd like to keep the ones I have running and looking more
prototypical.


Hi Eric,
The old Athearn boxcars are a scale 10' 4" in height. I'm thinking of using
some of mine to model a few Delaware & Hudson 10' 4' cars. I'm not that far
along in the project to know what ends, doors or roofs I will need, but if
you're interested in D&H let me know and I'll check. Walt

Dick,

I know that by 1951 there was only one car listed with the blister panels -- but I've always
thought half the hoppers were rebuilt with blister sides.

This is what John Riddell showed in his article in RMC (10/96) --

man, a simple little modeling project to have a couple of modified PRR GLs to park under
the White River coal tower has turned into a real mystery . . .


See you at the convention next weekend?

Marty


--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Richard Dermody <ddermody@...> wrote:

Marty,

The July 1947 ORER paints a little bit different picture.

It lists two lines for CV hoppers;

Line 4 is Hopper, Twin, Steel panel sides, series 20000 to 20199, cu
ft 1769, 185 cars.

Line 5 is Hopper, Steel, Twin, series 20000 to 20199, cu ft 1680, 10
cars.

Note B to the hoppers is as follows:

Note B - Individual numbers of cars in series 20000 to 20199 equipped
with straight sides and differing in cubical capacity from other cars
in same series; capacity 1,680 cu. ft.: 20031 20077 20078 20094 20109
20115 20136 20145 20179 20191.

So it seems that in 1947, the majority (185) of the hoppers were
panel (blister) side while 10 were straight side, but by your 1951
ORER the numbers had essentially reversed so only 10 cars remained
with panel sides.

Dick

On Sep 23, 2007, at 8:42 AM, Martin McGuirk wrote:

I'm trying to pull together some details on the Central Vermont's
twin hoppers for a clinic I'm presenting at the CV Historical
Society. I know a number (100) of these cars got blister side panels
installed in the mid-to late 1930s -- what I don't know is if the
ORER listing for the the late 1930s and early 1940s list the cars by
number. Ideally I'd like to find a list of the cars numbers converted
-- these would show up in the ORER with a 1,769 cu. ft. capacity.
The ORERs I have in my collection either pre-date or postdate these
cars. (By 1951 all but 10 had been converted back to flat panel
sides. Can anyone help out -- perhaps scan the CV pages from an ORER?

Thanks in advance,

Marty




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I understand the Athearn prototype is of a limited 1937 production run,
but I'd like to keep the ones I have running and looking more
prototypical.


Hi Eric,
The old Athearn boxcars are a scale 10' 4" in height. I'm thinking of using
some of mine to model a few Delaware & Hudson 10' 4' cars. I'm not that far
along in the project to know what ends, doors or roofs I will need, but if
you're interested in D&H let me know and I'll check. Walt

Marty,

The July 1947 ORER paints a little bit different picture.

It lists two lines for CV hoppers;

Line 4 is Hopper, Twin, Steel panel sides, series 20000 to 20199, cu
ft 1769, 185 cars.

Line 5 is Hopper, Steel, Twin, series 20000 to 20199, cu ft 1680, 10
cars.

Note B to the hoppers is as follows:

Note B - Individual numbers of cars in series 20000 to 20199 equipped
with straight sides and differing in cubical capacity from other cars
in same series; capacity 1,680 cu. ft.: 20031 20077 20078 20094 20109
20115 20136 20145 20179 20191.

So it seems that in 1947, the majority (185) of the hoppers were
panel (blister) side while 10 were straight side, but by your 1951
ORER the numbers had essentially reversed so only 10 cars remained
with panel sides.

Dick

On Sep 23, 2007, at 8:42 AM, Martin McGuirk wrote:

I'm trying to pull together some details on the Central Vermont's
twin hoppers for a clinic I'm presenting at the CV Historical
Society. I know a number (100) of these cars got blister side panels
installed in the mid-to late 1930s -- what I don't know is if the
ORER listing for the the late 1930s and early 1940s list the cars by
number. Ideally I'd like to find a list of the cars numbers converted
-- these would show up in the ORER with a 1,769 cu. ft. capacity.
The ORERs I have in my collection either pre-date or postdate these
cars. (By 1951 all but 10 had been converted back to flat panel
sides. Can anyone help out -- perhaps scan the CV pages from an ORER?

Thanks in advance,

Marty




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Marty,

The July 1947 ORER paints a little bit different picture.

It lists two lines for CV hoppers;

Line 4 is Hopper, Twin, Steel panel sides, series 20000 to 20199, cu
ft 1769, 185 cars.

Line 5 is Hopper, Steel, Twin, series 20000 to 20199, cu ft 1680, 10
cars.

Note B to the hoppers is as follows:

Note B - Individual numbers of cars in series 20000 to 20199 equipped
with straight sides and differing in cubical capacity from other cars
in same series; capacity 1,680 cu. ft.: 20031 20077 20078 20094 20109
20115 20136 20145 20179 20191.

So it seems that in 1947, the majority (185) of the hoppers were
panel (blister) side while 10 were straight side, but by your 1951
ORER the numbers had essentially reversed so only 10 cars remained
with panel sides.

Dick

On Sep 23, 2007, at 8:42 AM, Martin McGuirk wrote:

I'm trying to pull together some details on the Central Vermont's
twin hoppers for a clinic I'm presenting at the CV Historical
Society. I know a number (100) of these cars got blister side panels
installed in the mid-to late 1930s -- what I don't know is if the
ORER listing for the the late 1930s and early 1940s list the cars by
number. Ideally I'd like to find a list of the cars numbers converted
-- these would show up in the ORER with a 1,769 cu. ft. capacity.
The ORERs I have in my collection either pre-date or postdate these
cars. (By 1951 all but 10 had been converted back to flat panel
sides. Can anyone help out -- perhaps scan the CV pages from an ORER?

Thanks in advance,

Marty




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I'm trying to pull together some details on the Central Vermont's
twin hoppers for a clinic I'm presenting at the CV Historical
Society. I know a number (100) of these cars got blister side panels
installed in the mid-to late 1930s -- what I don't know is if the
ORER listing for the the late 1930s and early 1940s list the cars by
number. Ideally I'd like to find a list of the cars numbers converted
-- these would show up in the ORER with a 1,769 cu. ft. capacity. The ORERs I have in my collection either pre-date or postdate these
cars. (By 1951 all but 10 had been converted back to flat panel
sides. Can anyone help out -- perhaps scan the CV pages from an ORER?

Thanks in advance,

Marty




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