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Re: ORER Help -- CV blister side hoppers

Richard Dermody <ddermody@...>
 

Marty,

If the numbers in the 47 ORER are believable, it would suggest that almost all of the CV hoppers were at one time modified to the "blister" style. Don't have any real source information to that effect and we all know the ORER's weren't infallible, but that is what the numbers in the '47 ORER suggest, since they show 185 cars at the "expanded" capacity.

What does seem apparent from the '47 ORER, Armand's comment about the '49 ORER and your comments about the 1951 status of panel vs. straight sides, is that from 1947 to the very early '50's, CV had a deliberate program in place to convert the majority of the panel side hoppers back to straight side. Don't know why, but there may be an AFE in the archives that gives a reason. You might ask of Jim Murphy.

So, at some point in time during the conversion "back", I'm sure a roster showed 100 "blisters" and that may be where John Riddell got his numbers, depending on what point and time

he was using as a reference.

Actually, you can park unmodified PRR GL's at the WRJ tower - photo evidence exists.

What is the status of the WRJ tower kit?

Sorry, won't make the convention, but hope you have a good time.

Dick

On Sep 23, 2007, at 11:16 AM, cvsne wrote:

Dick,

I know that by 1951 there was only one car listed with the blister panels -- but I've always
thought half the hoppers were rebuilt with blister sides.

This is what John Riddell showed in his article in RMC (10/96) --

man, a simple little modeling project to have a couple of modified PRR GLs to park under
the White River coal tower has turned into a real mystery . . .


See you at the convention next weekend?

Marty


--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Richard Dermody <ddermody@...> wrote:


Marty,

The July 1947 ORER paints a little bit different picture.

It lists two lines for CV hoppers;

Line 4 is Hopper, Twin, Steel panel sides, series 20000 to 20199, cu
ft 1769, 185 cars.

Line 5 is Hopper, Steel, Twin, series 20000 to 20199, cu ft 1680, 10
cars.

Note B to the hoppers is as follows:

Note B - Individual numbers of cars in series 20000 to 20199 equipped
with straight sides and differing in cubical capacity from other cars
in same series; capacity 1,680 cu. ft.: 20031 20077 20078 20094 20109
20115 20136 20145 20179 20191.

So it seems that in 1947, the majority (185) of the hoppers were
panel (blister) side while 10 were straight side, but by your 1951
ORER the numbers had essentially reversed so only 10 cars remained
with panel sides.

Dick

On Sep 23, 2007, at 8:42 AM, Martin McGuirk wrote:


I'm trying to pull together some details on the Central Vermont's
twin hoppers for a clinic I'm presenting at the CV Historical
Society. I know a number (100) of these cars got blister side panels
installed in the mid-to late 1930s -- what I don't know is if the
ORER listing for the the late 1930s and early 1940s list the cars by
number. Ideally I'd like to find a list of the cars numbers converted
-- these would show up in the ORER with a 1,769 cu. ft. capacity. The ORERs I have in my collection either pre-date or postdate these
cars. (By 1951 all but 10 had been converted back to flat panel
sides. Can anyone help out -- perhaps scan the CV pages from an ORER?

Thanks in advance,

Marty




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Re: Union Tank car identification?

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Tim O'Connor wrote:
Richard or anyone . . .
Richard H. is in Europe for at least another week.

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Union Tank car identification?

Tim O'Connor
 

Richard or anyone, can you identify the class of this
UTLX tank car? The Ebay photo is undated, most likely
from the 1960's. (The negative sold for $32.)

http://i13.ebayimg.com/04/i/000/b6/77/20ca_1.JPG

Tim O'Connor


help

Keith Sirman <keith.sirman@...>
 

Hi guys: I`m doing some printing for Naperville and I could use some info if anyone has it. Where is Croxton on the NY O & W, and does anyone know a location on the MA & PA where there was an abondon turntable? Any help will be greatly appreciated and I look forward to seeing you guys in october.
thanks
Keith Sirman


Re: ORER Help -- CV blister side hoppers

Ian Cranstone
 

On 23-Sep-07, at 8:42 AM, Martin McGuirk wrote:

I'm trying to pull together some details on the Central Vermont's
twin hoppers for a clinic I'm presenting at the CV Historical
Society. I know a number (100) of these cars got blister side panels
installed in the mid-to late 1930s -- what I don't know is if the
ORER listing for the the late 1930s and early 1940s list the cars by
number. Ideally I'd like to find a list of the cars numbers converted
-- these would show up in the ORER with a 1,769 cu. ft. capacity. The ORERs I have in my collection either pre-date or postdate these
cars. (By 1951 all but 10 had been converted back to flat panel
sides. Can anyone help out -- perhaps scan the CV pages from an ORER?
Marty, the following is from my explorations through equipment registers. As you can see, they first opted to list those cars equipped with panel sides (10/37-1/40), then listed cars without panel sides (10/41-1/52), then reverted to listing cars with panel sides (4/52-7/58).

I can also track down a number of other ORER listings covering some of the missing dates if this has any additional value to you.

Cars 20000-20003, 20005, 20011, 20014, 20016-20017, 20020-20021, 20023-20025, 20028, 20030-20031, 20033-20035, 20039-20040, 20042, 20050-20052, 20055, 20059-20060, 20063-20065, 20067, 20069, 20073-20082, 20084-20085, 20087, 20089, 20091-20092, 20094-20095, 20100, 20104, 20106, 20109-20111, 20114-20115, 20118, 20120-20122, 20124-20126, 20130, 20134-20137, 20145, 20147-20149, 20151, 20155-20157, 20161-20163, 20166-20168, 20170, 20174-20176, 20179, 20182-20183, 20185, 20188, 20190-20191, 20195 & 20197-20198 equipped with panel sides, 1769 cu. ft. (10/37-1/39).
Cars 20000-20003, 20005, 20011, 20014, 20016-20017, 20020-20021, 20023-20025, 20028, 20030-20031, 20033-20034, 20036, 20039-20040, 20042, 20050-20052, 20055, 20059-20060, 20063-20065, 20067, 20069, 20073-20082, 20084-20085, 20087, 20089, 20091-20092, 20094-20095, 20100, 20104, 20106, 20109-20111, 20114-20115, 20118, 20120-20122, 20124-20126, 20130, 20134-20137, 20145, 20147-20149, 20151, 20155-20157, 20161-20163, 20166-20168, 20170, 20174-20176, 20179, 20182-20183, 20185, 20188, 20190-20191, 20195 & 20197-20198 equipped with panel sides, 1769 cu. ft. (10/39-1/40).
Cars equipped with panel sides, 1769 cu. ft. except for 20004, 20007-20008, 20018, 20029, 20041, 20045, 20048-20049, 20053, 20057-20058, 20068, 20070, 20097, 20103, 20113, 20117, 20127, 20138, 20140, 20152-20153, 20158, 20160, 20164, 20171-20172 & 20186, 1680 cu. ft. (10/41-4/42).
Cars equipped with panel sides, 1769 cu. ft. except for 20031, 20077-20078, 20094, 20109, 20115, 20136, 20145, 20179 & 20191, 1680 cu. ft. (10/46-7/47).
Cars equipped with panel sides, 1769 cu. ft., except for 20003, 20011, 20016, 20031, 20036, 20042, 20059, 20076-20079, 20081, 20094, 20095, 20109-20110, 20115, 20130, 20136, 20145, 20149, 20151, 20155, 20161, 20168, 20170, 20179, 20188, 20191 & 20195, 1680 cu. ft. (10/48).
Cars equipped with panel sides, 1769 cu. ft., except for 20000-20003, 20005-20006, 20010-20011, 20014-20017, 20020-20021, 20023-20025, 20030-20031, 20033-20034, 20036, 20039-20040, 20042, 20046, 20050-20052, 20055-20057, 20059-20060, 20062-20063, 20065, 20069, 20071, 20073-20082, 20084-20085, 20087, 20089-20092, 20094-20095, 20098, 20100-20101, 20104, 20106-20107, 20109-20110, 20114-20115, 20118, 20120-20122, 20124-20126, 20129-20130, 20134-20137, 20145-20149, 20151, 20155-20157, 20161-20163, 20166-20168, 20170, 20174-20176, 20179, 20181-20182, 20185, 20188, 20190-20191, 20195 & 20197-20198, 1680 cu. ft. (1/50-1/51).
Cars equipped with panel sides, 1769 cu. ft., except for 20000-20007, 20009-20011, 20014-20017, 20020-20021, 20023-20026, 20030-20034, 20036, 20038-20040, 20042, 20044-20047, 20050-20053, 20055-20057, 20059-20060, 20062-20065, 20068-20082, 20084-20085, 20087-20092, 20094-20096, 20098-20104, 20106-20107, 20109-20115, 20117-20122, 20124-20127, 20129-20130, 20133-20141, 20144-20149, 20151, 20155-20157, 20160-20170, 20172-20176, 20179, 20181-20182, 20185, 20187-20188, 20190-20191, 20193 & 20195-20198, 1680 cu. ft. (4/51).
Cars equipped with panel sides, 1769 cu. ft., except for 20000-20007, 20009-20011, 20014-20017, 20020-20021, 20023-20026, 20030-20034, 20036, 20038-20040, 20042, 20044-20047, 20050-20053, 20055-20057, 20059, 20062-20065, 20068-20082, 20084-20085, 20087-20092, 20094-20096, 20098-20104, 20106-20107, 20109-20115, 20117-20122, 20124-20127, 20129-20130, 20133-20141, 20144-20149, 20151, 20155-20157, 20160-20170, 20172-20176, 20179, 20181-20182, 20185, 20187-20188, 20190-20191, 20193 & 20195-20198, 1680 cu. ft. (10/51-1/52).
Cars 20008, 20013, 20018-20019, 20022, 20027, 20029, 20035, 20037, 20041, 20043, 20049, 20054, 20058, 20061, 20066-20067, 20083, 20086, 20093, 20105, 20108, 20116, 20123, 20128, 20131-20132, 20142-20143, 20150, 20152-20154, 20158-20159, 20171, 20177, 20180, 20184, 20186, 20189, 20192 & 20194 equipped with panel sides (4/52-10/52).
Cars 20008, 20013, 20018, 20029, 20041, 20049, 20058, 20066, 20083, 20086, 20105, 20108, 20132, 20142, 20152-20154, 20171, 20184, 20189 & 20192 equipped with panel sides (1/53-10/53).
Cars 20008, 20018, 20041, 20058, 20066, 20086, 20108, 20132, 20153 & 20189 equipped with panel sides, 1769 cu. ft. (1/54-10/54).
Cars 20132 & 20153 equipped with panel sides, 1769 cu. ft. (4/55).
Car 20153 equipped with panel sides, 1769 cu. ft. (1/56-7/58).

Ian Cranstone
Osgoode, Ontario, Canada
lamontc@nakina.net
http://freightcars.nakina.net
http://siberians.nakina.net


Re: help

MDelvec952
 

In a message dated 9/23/2007 8:56:49 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
keith.sirman@sympatico.ca writes:

Hi guys: I`m doing some printing for Naperville and I could use some info if
anyone has it. Where is Croxton on the NY O & W, and does anyone know a
location on the MA & PA where there was an abondon turntable? Any help will be
greatly appreciated and I look forward to seeing you guys in october.
thanks
Keith Sirman


========================

Croxton wasn't on the NYO&W, it was the Erie Railroad's east-end freight
classification yard in the Jersey Meadows. Erie's Pavonia passenger station and
Jersey City freight yards were along the Hudson River opposite Manhattan.
Bergen Hill is a solid rock barrier separating the Hudson River from the Meadows
to the west, and Croxton Yard was just west of Erie's Bergen Hill tunnel.
Freight cars classified for Hudson River carfloats or local customers were
shuttled between Croxton and Jersey City daily through the Erie's tunnel, the
oldest through Bergen Hill and still used today by Conrail and CSX freght
trains.

Croxton's significance to the O&W, though, occurred after O&W's 1957
abandonment when most of the FT diesels, the steam heater car (a former steam
tender) and about 10 wooden cabooses were sold. They were shipped east over the
Erie, and got as far as Croxton where this stuff sat into the 1960s. Numerous
pictures surface of this equipment there, and as a result of sitting so long
the jewelry such as builders plates, number boards, one jeweled nose number
plates, and occasional air horns are safely in various collections. Even the
coal stoves were removed. To my knowledge, all of this was taken by railroaders.

The abandoned turntable on the Ma&Pa was in Delta, a town close to the
Mason-Dixon line. It was a 60-foot cast table with several round holes (the
brand name escapes me) in the main beams. I photographed it in the 1980s, and
later in that decade it was shipped to the National Museum of Transport in St.
Louis. The turntable in York -- a 90-foot turntable -- was filled in after
the end of steam.

Hope this helps. Wish I could make Naperville this year.
....Mike Del Vecchio



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Re: Athearn Boxcars need Reworking

Tim O'Connor
 

Paul, yes, I know. That's why I wrote "plastic kit". Many things
are possible using resin parts and/or kitbashing...

At 9/23/2007 12:10 PM Sunday, you wrote:

Tim,

You can build the IC, SOO and DSS&A cars with a Sunshine Mini Kit and a IM 10'-6" boxcar kit. However, if you want to be dead accurate model you are stuck with an IC car as the other two require a Klasing brake wheel. Oh, what an SP modeler would give for a Klasing wheel in HO.

Paul Lyons
Laguna Niguel, CA


-----Original Message-----
From: Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@comcast.net>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 9:43 pm
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Athearn Boxcars need Reworking

The Athearn 40' steel box has some dimensional problems. It represents
10'6" cars owned by IC, SOO, and DSS&A. With new doors, door tracks and
Detail Associates 5/5 S-corner ends, you can really improve on it. There
is no other plastic kit for this particular prototype. The Intermountain
car represents the more widely owned cars with W-corner post ends.

Many cars were 10'4" IH, but I'm not sure all of them were different from
10'6" IH cars on the outside. There can be differences in floor boards or
just a particular railroad's way of measuring the IH may be stricter than
others. Some roads listed 10'0" IH cars as 9'11" IH... Use the extreme
height of the cars to figure out how tall they were compared to others.

Tim O'

I understand the Athearn prototype is of a limited 1937 production run,
but I'd like to keep the ones I have running and looking more
prototypical.


Hi Eric,
The old Athearn boxcars are a scale 10' 4" in height. I'm thinking of using
some of mine to model a few Delaware & Hudson 10' 4' cars. I'm not that far
along in the project to know what ends, doors or roofs I will need, but if
you're interested in D&H let me know and I'll check. Walt


Re: HO FGE Wood bodied Reefer Kits & Universal brakes

rwitt_2000 <rmwitt@...>
 

Bill Welch wrote:


I do intend to create FGE models using the Accurail car to recreate
cars contributed to the the Fruit Growers fleet by the B&O and FEC.

The series mentioned would not be a match for the InterMountain kit.
I am disapointed by the IM effort. The ribs on the roof are too
small IMO, and the roof is slightly too short and too narrow. It
should overlap the sides and ends more, IMO.

The door height is okay for some, and not for others. I wish the
model rail manufacturers would take the example of the military
model manufacturers and build more modualarity into their products.
By creating something with door height options and 6 and 8 inch sill
options, this could have been a kit with potential, but as it has
been done, has a limited usefulness. One needs maybe two models of
WFE and FGE each as a percentage of the respective total fleets. See
my article in the February 2005 RMJ to understand how many (or how
few) of these cars there were in relation to the total FGE/WFE
fleets.

Pardon my belaboring this but it does trouble me that from a
prototypical perspective, one cannot justify a dozen or even a half
dozen of this car type.
FWIW comparing the photos of the models on the InterMountain web site
the HO model appears to be a copy of the N scale model which was
released a few years ago. As Bill suggests in his comments this is
unfortunate as the prototype chosen represents only a very small portion
of the FGE fleet.

Bob Witt


Re: Athearn Boxcars need Reworking

Eric Gagnon <mile179kingston@...>
 

Thanks Walt, Tim and Alan for that input, I'll look for that RMC
article. I think I can live with most of the Athearn car, but the doors
are getting to me, and whether they operate isn't as much of an issue
as it used to be.

Eric

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Alan Gilchrist <rag1957@...> wrote:

Eric Gagnon wrote:
My Athearn 40-foot steel boxcars (the blue box ones) have got to be
re-
worked. > There has been a number of articles published on
fixing up Athearn and
MDC cars, but one I like was by Dennis Storzek published way back in
April 1982 in RMC.


Re: ORER Help -- CV blister side hoppers

Westerfield <westerfield@...>
 

Marty - As requested. - Al

----- Original Message -----
From: cvsne
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2007 10:13 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: ORER Help -- CV blister side hoppers



Al,

It's mjmcguirk@cox.net --

Thanks.

In studying these cars I've noticed the side posts vary widely -- I've seen them in photos
from the 1940s and 50s with what I'd describe as "as-built" side posts, with the side
sheets riveted in place. I've also noticed a number of the cars have noticeably larger side
stakes and no rivets (although the same photos show rivets at other places on the car so I
don't think it's a matter of it not showing up the in pictures).

We know most of the cars that received blister panels were later rebuilt with flat panel
sides in the late 1940s. What I suspect is these reconfigured cars had flat panel sides and
larger side posts welded in place -- comparing some of the car numbers in the ORER with
the photos I have may help confirm or deny my theory.

Thanks,

Marty


Black Hills Packing Co.

oklacnw <oklacnw@...>
 

Recently purchased a Walthers model of this 40 ft meat reefer, which I
remember as a 13 year old. Visited my LHS yesterday and found Athearn
now has a model of this car. My question: which is closer to being
correct, the Walthers or Athearn. The letters and colors appear to be
slighty different in shade and size. The Walthers car has better
detail,
I think.
Al


$16.00 InterMountain ATSF stockcars

Andy Carlson
 

Contact me at <midcentury@sbcglobal.net> off-list, please, for info on ordering $16.00 assembled K brake Santa Fe stockcars. Sorry, no AB brakes at this time...
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA


Re: ORER Help -- CV blister side hoppers

armprem
 

To compound the felony,not all panels on some of the cars were replaced with blisters at the same time.There is photographic evidence showing cars with a combination of panels.This may suggest that as a panel rusted out it was repaired by a blister .Thus the capacity of cars had to vary.I strongly suspect that when the CV reverted to flat panels they were welded in place rather than riveted.Armand Premo

----- Original Message -----
From: "cvsne" <mjmcguirk@cox.net>
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2007 11:16 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: ORER Help -- CV blister side hoppers


Dick,

I know that by 1951 there was only one car listed with the blister panels -- but I've always
thought half the hoppers were rebuilt with blister sides.

This is what John Riddell showed in his article in RMC (10/96) --

man, a simple little modeling project to have a couple of modified PRR GLs to park under
the White River coal tower has turned into a real mystery . . .


See you at the convention next weekend?

Marty


--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Richard Dermody <ddermody@...> wrote:

Marty,

The July 1947 ORER paints a little bit different picture.

It lists two lines for CV hoppers;

Line 4 is Hopper, Twin, Steel panel sides, series 20000 to 20199, cu
ft 1769, 185 cars.

Line 5 is Hopper, Steel, Twin, series 20000 to 20199, cu ft 1680, 10
cars.

Note B to the hoppers is as follows:

Note B - Individual numbers of cars in series 20000 to 20199 equipped
with straight sides and differing in cubical capacity from other cars
in same series; capacity 1,680 cu. ft.: 20031 20077 20078 20094 20109
20115 20136 20145 20179 20191.

So it seems that in 1947, the majority (185) of the hoppers were
panel (blister) side while 10 were straight side, but by your 1951
ORER the numbers had essentially reversed so only 10 cars remained
with panel sides.

Dick

On Sep 23, 2007, at 8:42 AM, Martin McGuirk wrote:

I'm trying to pull together some details on the Central Vermont's
twin hoppers for a clinic I'm presenting at the CV Historical
Society. I know a number (100) of these cars got blister side panels
installed in the mid-to late 1930s -- what I don't know is if the
ORER listing for the the late 1930s and early 1940s list the cars by
number. Ideally I'd like to find a list of the cars numbers converted
-- these would show up in the ORER with a 1,769 cu. ft. capacity.
The ORERs I have in my collection either pre-date or postdate these
cars. (By 1951 all but 10 had been converted back to flat panel
sides. Can anyone help out -- perhaps scan the CV pages from an ORER?

Thanks in advance,

Marty




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Re: Athearn Boxcars need Reworking

Paul Lyons
 

Tim,



You can build the IC, SOO and DSS&A cars with a Sunshine Mini Kit and a IM 10'-6" boxcar kit. However, if you want to be dead accurate model you are stuck with an IC car as the other two require a Klasing brake wheel. Oh, what an SP modeler would give for a Klasing wheel in HO.

Paul Lyons
Laguna Niguel, CA

-----Original Message-----
From: Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@comcast.net>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 9:43 pm
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Athearn Boxcars need Reworking








The Athearn 40' steel box has some dimensional problems. It represents
10'6" cars owned by IC, SOO, and DSS&A. With new doors, door tracks and
Detail Associates 5/5 S-corner ends, you can really improve on it. There
is no other plastic kit for this particular prototype. The Intermountain
car represents the more widely owned cars with W-corner post ends.

Many cars were 10'4" IH, but I'm not sure all of them were different from
10'6" IH cars on the outside. There can be differences in floor boards or
just a particular railroad's way of measuring the IH may be stricter than
others. Some roads listed 10'0" IH cars as 9'11" IH... Use the extreme
height of the cars to figure out how tall they were compared to others.

Tim O'

I understand the Athearn prototype is of a limited 1937 production run,
but I'd like to keep the ones I have running and looking more
prototypical.


Hi Eric,
The old Athearn boxcars are a scale 10' 4" in height. I'm thinking of using
some of mine to model a few Delaware & Hudson 10' 4' cars. I'm not that far
along in the project to know what ends, doors or roofs I will need, but if
you're interested in D&H let me know and I'll check. Walt




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Re: ORER Help -- CV blister side hoppers

armprem
 

Gentlemen,My October 1949 OER shows a split of 110 1650 cu ft to 85 1769 cu ft. Armand Premo

----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Dermody" <ddermody@vtrfd.com>
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2007 10:18 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] ORER Help -- CV blister side hoppers


Marty,

The July 1947 ORER paints a little bit different picture.

It lists two lines for CV hoppers;

Line 4 is Hopper, Twin, Steel panel sides, series 20000 to 20199, cu
ft 1769, 185 cars.

Line 5 is Hopper, Steel, Twin, series 20000 to 20199, cu ft 1680, 10
cars.

Note B to the hoppers is as follows:

Note B - Individual numbers of cars in series 20000 to 20199 equipped
with straight sides and differing in cubical capacity from other cars
in same series; capacity 1,680 cu. ft.: 20031 20077 20078 20094 20109
20115 20136 20145 20179 20191.

So it seems that in 1947, the majority (185) of the hoppers were
panel (blister) side while 10 were straight side, but by your 1951
ORER the numbers had essentially reversed so only 10 cars remained
with panel sides.

Dick

On Sep 23, 2007, at 8:42 AM, Martin McGuirk wrote:

I'm trying to pull together some details on the Central Vermont's
twin hoppers for a clinic I'm presenting at the CV Historical
Society. I know a number (100) of these cars got blister side panels
installed in the mid-to late 1930s -- what I don't know is if the
ORER listing for the the late 1930s and early 1940s list the cars by
number. Ideally I'd like to find a list of the cars numbers converted
-- these would show up in the ORER with a 1,769 cu. ft. capacity.
The ORERs I have in my collection either pre-date or postdate these
cars. (By 1951 all but 10 had been converted back to flat panel
sides. Can anyone help out -- perhaps scan the CV pages from an ORER?

Thanks in advance,

Marty




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Re: Athearn Boxcars need Reworking

Alan Gilchrist <rag1957@...>
 

Eric Gagnon wrote:
My Athearn 40-foot steel boxcars (the blue box ones) have got to be re-
worked. I've decided those clunky door slides and short-looking doors have got to go. Other listers have probably gone through the same process, probably a while ago. Any suggestions for doors to use? One
There has been a number of articles published on fixing up Athearn and MDC cars, but one I like was by Dennis Storzek published way back in April 1982 in RMC.

Alan

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Re: ORER Help -- CV blister side hoppers

cvsne <mjmcguirk@...>
 

Dick,

I know that by 1951 there was only one car listed with the blister panels -- but I've always
thought half the hoppers were rebuilt with blister sides.

This is what John Riddell showed in his article in RMC (10/96) --

man, a simple little modeling project to have a couple of modified PRR GLs to park under
the White River coal tower has turned into a real mystery . . .


See you at the convention next weekend?

Marty

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Richard Dermody <ddermody@...> wrote:

Marty,

The July 1947 ORER paints a little bit different picture.

It lists two lines for CV hoppers;

Line 4 is Hopper, Twin, Steel panel sides, series 20000 to 20199, cu
ft 1769, 185 cars.

Line 5 is Hopper, Steel, Twin, series 20000 to 20199, cu ft 1680, 10
cars.

Note B to the hoppers is as follows:

Note B - Individual numbers of cars in series 20000 to 20199 equipped
with straight sides and differing in cubical capacity from other cars
in same series; capacity 1,680 cu. ft.: 20031 20077 20078 20094 20109
20115 20136 20145 20179 20191.

So it seems that in 1947, the majority (185) of the hoppers were
panel (blister) side while 10 were straight side, but by your 1951
ORER the numbers had essentially reversed so only 10 cars remained
with panel sides.

Dick

On Sep 23, 2007, at 8:42 AM, Martin McGuirk wrote:

I'm trying to pull together some details on the Central Vermont's
twin hoppers for a clinic I'm presenting at the CV Historical
Society. I know a number (100) of these cars got blister side panels
installed in the mid-to late 1930s -- what I don't know is if the
ORER listing for the the late 1930s and early 1940s list the cars by
number. Ideally I'd like to find a list of the cars numbers converted
-- these would show up in the ORER with a 1,769 cu. ft. capacity.
The ORERs I have in my collection either pre-date or postdate these
cars. (By 1951 all but 10 had been converted back to flat panel
sides. Can anyone help out -- perhaps scan the CV pages from an ORER?

Thanks in advance,

Marty




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Re: ORER Help -- CV blister side hoppers

cvsne <mjmcguirk@...>
 

Al,

It's mjmcguirk@cox.net --

Thanks.

In studying these cars I've noticed the side posts vary widely -- I've seen them in photos
from the 1940s and 50s with what I'd describe as "as-built" side posts, with the side
sheets riveted in place. I've also noticed a number of the cars have noticeably larger side
stakes and no rivets (although the same photos show rivets at other places on the car so I
don't think it's a matter of it not showing up the in pictures).

We know most of the cars that received blister panels were later rebuilt with flat panel
sides in the late 1940s. What I suspect is these reconfigured cars had flat panel sides and
larger side posts welded in place -- comparing some of the car numbers in the ORER with
the photos I have may help confirm or deny my theory.

Thanks,

Marty


Re: ORER Help -- CV blister side hoppers

Richard Dermody <ddermody@...>
 

Marty,

The July 1947 ORER paints a little bit different picture.

It lists two lines for CV hoppers;

Line 4 is Hopper, Twin, Steel panel sides, series 20000 to 20199, cu ft 1769, 185 cars.

Line 5 is Hopper, Steel, Twin, series 20000 to 20199, cu ft 1680, 10 cars.

Note B to the hoppers is as follows:

Note B - Individual numbers of cars in series 20000 to 20199 equipped with straight sides and differing in cubical capacity from other cars in same series; capacity 1,680 cu. ft.: 20031 20077 20078 20094 20109 20115 20136 20145 20179 20191.

So it seems that in 1947, the majority (185) of the hoppers were panel (blister) side while 10 were straight side, but by your 1951 ORER the numbers had essentially reversed so only 10 cars remained with panel sides.

Dick

On Sep 23, 2007, at 8:42 AM, Martin McGuirk wrote:

I'm trying to pull together some details on the Central Vermont's
twin hoppers for a clinic I'm presenting at the CV Historical
Society. I know a number (100) of these cars got blister side panels
installed in the mid-to late 1930s -- what I don't know is if the
ORER listing for the the late 1930s and early 1940s list the cars by
number. Ideally I'd like to find a list of the cars numbers converted
-- these would show up in the ORER with a 1,769 cu. ft. capacity. The ORERs I have in my collection either pre-date or postdate these
cars. (By 1951 all but 10 had been converted back to flat panel
sides. Can anyone help out -- perhaps scan the CV pages from an ORER?

Thanks in advance,

Marty




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Re: ORER Help -- CV blister side hoppers

Westerfield <westerfield@...>
 

Marty - The 1/40 ORER describes the car numbers. Send me your email address and I'll send you the page. - Al Westerfield

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Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2007 7:42 AM
Subject: [STMFC] ORER Help -- CV blister side hoppers


I'm trying to pull together some details on the Central Vermont's
twin hoppers for a clinic I'm presenting at the CV Historical
Society. I know a number (100) of these cars got blister side panels
installed in the mid-to late 1930s -- what I don't know is if the
ORER listing for the the late 1930s and early 1940s list the cars by
number. Ideally I'd like to find a list of the cars numbers converted
-- these would show up in the ORER with a 1,769 cu. ft. capacity.
The ORERs I have in my collection either pre-date or postdate these
cars. (By 1951 all but 10 had been converted back to flat panel
sides. Can anyone help out -- perhaps scan the CV pages from an ORER?

Thanks in advance,

Marty

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