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Re: broken away floors

Dennis Storzek <destorzek@...>
 

--- In STMFC@..., "ed_mines" <ed_mines@...> wrote:


In the late '70s I worked in a factory that got 2 or 3 rail deliveries
a week.

One day our cars (covered hoppers) came with some cars for other
customers and included a flat car missing about 6 feet of lengthwise
deck.

Maybe the switching crew used that car as an idealer to push a car for
another customer. The small train also included a tank car of paraffin
to be delivered to a carbon paper manufacturer.

Through the opening in the deck you could see the lengthwise runners
(if that's the right word) which previously supported the then missing
deck.

Ed Mines
Someone was just being conscientious. Often unloading will tear up the
deck if it was in poor condition to start with, and releasing the
empty with the loose boards laying on the car is just asking to have
them fly off somewhere and hit someone. I remember releasing a 50' car
with at least one third of the deck missing after we had the steam
loco it was carrying break through the deck during unloading at the
Illinois Railway Museum years ago.

In each case, the railroad will have to route the car to the RIP track
for deck renewal before they can spot it for the next load.


Dennis


broken away floors

ed_mines
 

--- In STMFC@..., "Gatwood, Elden J SAD " wrote>
broken out wooden floor segments (found on
many flats due to loaders cutting portions out to secure a load),
In the late '70s I worked in a factory that got 2 or 3 rail deliveries
a week.

One day our cars (covered hoppers) came with some cars for other
customers and included a flat car missing about 6 feet of lengthwise
deck.

Maybe the switching crew used that car as an idealer to push a car for
another customer. The small train also included a tank car of paraffin
to be delivered to a carbon paper manufacturer.

Through the opening in the deck you could see the lengthwise runners
(if that's the right word) which previously supported the then missing
deck.

Ed Mines


Re: Tack boards

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Oct 15, 2007, at 10:20 AM, rockroll50401 wrote:

Is there an official name for the big and little tack boards on box car
doors?
Clark, the big ones and the sides and ends were placard boards, and the
small ones (usually low on the doors but sometimes elsewhere on the
sides or side sills) were route card boards or destination card boards.

Richard Hendrickson


Tack boards

rockroll50401 <cepropst@...>
 

Is there an official name for the big and little tack boards on box car
doors?
Thanks,
Clark Propst


Re: My New Compressor

lnbill <bwelch@...>
 

Although this is the conventional wisdom, to which I secumed when I
one years ago, I have never seen any moisture in the trap. My painting
has been done mostly in Tennessee and Virginia, two very humid places.
What I have noticed is that the moisture accumulates in the airtank,
and seems to stay there. When I empty the airtank after painting, out
it goes.

Bill Welch

--- In STMFC@..., Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:


I doubt it, but I'll let you know in a few days when it
arrives! I added one long ago to my airbrush air line.
This is a common accessory, needed in humid summers in
Massachusetts.


At 10/14/2007 10:46 PM Sunday, you wrote:
Does this compressor have a moisture filter? Doug Gardner

Campbell-Hausfeld Model # FP2040.
http://aircompressorsdirect.com/catalog/product_info.php?
cPath=3_180_26&products_id=119


Re: 1937 AAR Boxcar Roof options

SUVCWORR@...
 

Does anyone have an address for Stan or a source for a list of the parts and kits he makes?



TIA



Rich Orr

-----Original Message-----
From: rockroll50401 <cepropst@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 10:48 am
Subject: [STMFC] Re: 1937 AAR Boxcar Roof options




how do Stan's flat panel roof parts differ from the
Murphy flat panel roof parts from Sylvan?

Rob Kirkham

The Sylvan roof has seam caps while Stan's roof panels are riveted like
the X29 roof...I think...
Clark Propst




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Re: Naperville question

rockroll50401 <cepropst@...>
 

--- In STMFC@..., "Brian J Carlson" <brian@...> wrote:

Does anyone know if Stan Rydarowicz will be at Naperville this year.
I need
to order some parts from him, and was wondering if he was going to be
there.

Brian J Carlson P.E.
Cheektowaga NY
He's planning to attend.
Clark Propst


Re: 1937 AAR Boxcar Roof options

rockroll50401 <cepropst@...>
 

how do Stan's flat panel roof parts differ from the
Murphy flat panel roof parts from Sylvan?

Rob Kirkham

The Sylvan roof has seam caps while Stan's roof panels are riveted like
the X29 roof...I think...
Clark Propst


Re: Door Arrangement On PFE Reefer

rockroll50401 <cepropst@...>
 

Got a call from Stan Rydarowicz last night he said he will have several
mini kits at Naperville for sale of the plug or odd doored PFE and NP
reefers. They will be Intermountain kits with sides laser cut out and
new resin cast replacement sides and or ends, plastic roofs. They will
sell for $25-30.
Clark Propst


Re: 1937 AAR Boxcar Roof options

Rob Kirkham <rdkirkham@...>
 

Hmmm, what about the cars in 3 CP series from 226000 - 228799? According to Jim Little's article in Oct. 1994 RMC p.85, these also had flat panel roofs. Were they of a different sort than the type Stan sells? And - if some one knows both products - how do Stan's flat panel roof parts differ from the Murphy flat panel roof parts from Sylvan?

Rob Kirkham

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim O'Connor" <timboconnor@...>
To: <STMFC@...>
Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 7:39 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] 1937 AAR Boxcar Roof options



CP 221000-223949. The cars also had unusual 5/5 S-corner ends.


At 10/14/2007 08:49 PM Sunday, you wrote:
While looking at Stan R's items I see he offers a carbuilders flat 12 panel
riveted roof for the 1937 AAR Boxcar? Which roads had cars with this roof.
Brian J Carlson P.E.
Cheektowaga NY



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Re: 1937 AAR Boxcar Roof options

bowie1793
 

Tennessee Central was one I believe.

Joseph Jacques

Brian J Carlson <brian@...> wrote:
While looking at Stan R's items I see he offers a carbuilders flat 12 panel
riveted roof for the 1937 AAR Boxcar? Which roads had cars with this roof.

Brian J Carlson P.E.
Cheektowaga NY






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Re: My New Compressor

Tim O'Connor
 

I doubt it, but I'll let you know in a few days when it
arrives! I added one long ago to my airbrush air line.
This is a common accessory, needed in humid summers in
Massachusetts.

At 10/14/2007 10:46 PM Sunday, you wrote:
Does this compressor have a moisture filter? Doug Gardner

Campbell-Hausfeld Model # FP2040.
http://aircompressorsdirect.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=3_180_26&products_id=119


Re: My New Compressor

radius158
 

Does this compressor have a moisture filter? Doug Gardner

--- In STMFC@..., "lnbill" <bwelch@...> wrote:

Tim it is oiless and I remain happy. I must admit I just recently
painted for the first itm in months, as I have had several models
in
process for quite awhile. I like the built in gauges.

Bill Welch

--- In STMFC@..., "cf5250" <timboconnor@> wrote:

Bill Welch wrote (a while back)

I received my new compressor last week and I am very pleased.
It
is a
Campbell-Hausfeld Model # FP2040. Here is the link, I hope it
works!
http://aircompressorsdirect.com/catalog/product_info.php?
cPath=3_180_26&products_id=119

============================================================

Bill, I'm looking for a new compressor. This one looks good.
Two questions -- How is it holding up? And is it oil-less? The
web site doesn't indicate if it uses oil or not.

Thanks
Tim O'Connor


Re: 1937 AAR Boxcar Roof options

Tim O'Connor
 

CP 221000-223949. The cars also had unusual 5/5 S-corner ends.

At 10/14/2007 08:49 PM Sunday, you wrote:
While looking at Stan R's items I see he offers a carbuilders flat 12 panel
riveted roof for the 1937 AAR Boxcar? Which roads had cars with this roof.
Brian J Carlson P.E.
Cheektowaga NY


DS/SS split 1945 UP, CNW, GN

laramielarry <ostresh@...>
 

Hi Folks

Here are the DS/SS/Steel splits, 1945, and 1950, for box and auto
cars in interchange service on the UP, CNW, and GN.


UP – includes LA&SL, OSL, OWR&N, StJG&I markings:

January 1945:
UP_____%____Number
DS_____34.5%____9,538
SS_____0.7%____186
Steel_____64.6%____17,870
Known_____99.8%____27,594
Unknown_____0.2%____69
Total_____100.0%____27,663

July 1950:
UP_____%____Number
DS_____2.0%____478
SS_____0.1%____12
Steel_____97.9%____22,870
Known_____100.0%____23,360
Unknown_____0.0%____2
Total_____100.0%____23,362

In 1945, over a third of the U.P.'s box and auto fleet was double
sheathed – in 1950, it was 98% steel. Overall, it lost about 4,300
cars.


CNW:

January 1945:
CNW_____%____Number
DS_____8.1%____2,031
SS_____73.7%____18,386
Steel_____17.9%____4,475
Known_____99.8%____24,892
Unknown_____0.2%____46
Total_____100.0%____24,938

July 1950:
CNW_____%____Number
DS_____1.0%____238
SS_____51.7%____11,982
Steel_____47.3%____10,967
Known_____100.0%____23,187
Unknown_____0.0%____0
Total_____100.0%____23,187

Nearly three-fourths of the CNW fleet was single sheathed in 1945,
and less than 20% was steel. By 1950, SS was still a majority, but
steel was close behind. Overall there was a 7% loss.


GN:

January 1945:
GN_____%____Number
DS_____83.0%____21,246
SS_____13.8%____3,540
Steel_____0.0%____0
Plywood_____3.2%____826
Known_____100.0%____25,612
Unknown_____0.0%____1
Total_____100.0%____25,613

July 1950:
GN_____%____Number
DS_____64.2%____14,326
SS_____15.6%____3,487
Steel_____11.2%____2,499
Plywood_____8.9%____1,988
Known_____100.0%____22,300
Unknown_____0.0%____0
Total_____100.0%____22,300

The GN had no steel cars in 1945, and was dominated by DS. By 1950
it had reduced its DS fleet by about a third, and added some plywood
sheathed and steel cars. SS was essentially unchanged. Overall, it
lost 3,313 cars.

Best wishes,
Larry Ostresh
Laramie, Wyoming


1937 AAR Boxcar Roof options

Brian J Carlson <brian@...>
 

While looking at Stan R's items I see he offers a carbuilders flat 12 panel
riveted roof for the 1937 AAR Boxcar? Which roads had cars with this roof.

Brian J Carlson P.E.
Cheektowaga NY


Naperville question

Brian J Carlson <brian@...>
 

Does anyone know if Stan Rydarowicz will be at Naperville this year. I need
to order some parts from him, and was wondering if he was going to be there.

Brian J Carlson P.E.
Cheektowaga NY


Re: new HO fishbelly hopper?

golden1014
 

Way to go, BeN!

John Golden
Bloomington, IN


--- In STMFC@..., "benjaminfrank_hom" <b.hom@...> wrote:

Ed Mines wrote:
"The fall HistoricRail catalog lists a "new" 55-Ton 2-Bay
Fishbelly
hopper (LV, p.2 7) with die cast underframe and slope sheets.

My recollection is that the Stewart car had a plastic undeframe and
stamped weights like the traditional Athearn cars. The car in the
picture looks like it has molded on ladders; the Stewart car had
separate ladders. Is this a new mold?"

Since nobody took up my challenge to order this car and report
findings, I ordered one off of the HistoricRail website. The
package
arrived yesterday, and what I received was one Atlas N scale 55
ton
fishbelly hopper, stock number 41279. The catalog listing is
obviously in error, and despite the wishful thinking of some
members
of this list, this is NOT new tooling for an HO scale fishbelly
hopper.

Ben Hom


DS/SS split 1945 MILW help needed

laramielarry <ostresh@...>
 

Hi Folks

Here are the DS/SS/Steel splits, 1945, and 1950, for box and auto
cars in interchange service on the Milwaukee, including nearly 900 SS
cars with CTSE reporting marks.

January 1945:
MILW_____%____Number
DS_____14.3%____4,606
SS_____61.5%____19,759
Steel_____21.6%____6,945
Known_____97.5%____31,310
Unknown_____2.5%____793
Total_____100.0%____32,103

July 1950:
MILW_____%____Number
DS_____0.2%____49
SS_____54.4%____17,406
Steel_____45.3%____14,493
Known_____99.9%____31,948
Unknown_____0.1%____23
Total_____100.0%____31,971

There are a large number of cars in 1945 whose sheathing type is
Unknown at present, but regardless of their classification, it is
apparent that the MILW underwent a huge transition from 1945 to 1950,
slashing 99% of its DS fleet, doubling its steel fleet and trimming
over 2,300 of its SS cars. Most or all of the added steel cars were
rib-sided (7,307 minimum).

Here is a listing of most of the unknowns, all of which are described
in the ORER as "Steel Underframe".

Note that all of the dimensions in the following series are
identical; all other MILW cars with these dimensions are double
sheathed.
Road, AAR, Kind, Series, IL, IH, Door, Capy, Qty 1945, Qty 1950
MILW, XM, Box, 81482-81998, 41'0", 8'8", 5'6", 80000, 32, NA
MILW, XM, Box, 82736-83480, 41'0", 8'8", 5'6", 80000, 56, NA
MILW, XM, Box, 84000-87480, 41'0", 8'8", 5'6", 80000, 386, NA
MILW, XM, Box, 206500-206500, 41'0", 8'8", 5'6", 80000, 1, NA
MILW, XM, Box, 208100-208178, 41'0", 8'8", 5'6", 80000, 52, NA
MILW, XM, Box, 208200-208862, 41'0", 8'8", 5'6", 80000, 200, 18
MILW, XM, Box, 208900-209260, 41'0", 8'8", 5'6", 80000, 0, 4

These are also likely to be DS:
Road, AAR, Kind, Series, IL, IH, Door, Capy, Qty 1945, Qty 1950
MILW, XAB, Auto, 206200-206499, 40'9", 8'8", 10'0", 80000, 14, NA
MILW, XM, Box, 206200-206499, 40'9", 8'8", 9'0", 80000, 6, NA
MILW, XAB, Auto, 206200-206499, 40'6", 8'8", 10'0", 80000, 31, NA
MILW, XM, Box, 206200-206499, 40'6", 8'8", 9'0", 80000, 9, NA

If anyone knows whether these Unknowns are DS, SS, Steel, or
rebuilds, I would appreciate that information. Build or rebuild
dates would also be useful.

Thanks and best wishes,
Larry Ostresh
Laramie, Wyoming


DS/SS split 1945 B&O, SP

laramielarry <ostresh@...>
 

Hi Folks

Here are the DS/SS/Steel splits, 1945, and 1950, for box and auto
cars in interchange service on the B&O and SP.

B&O:

January 1945
B&O_____%____Number
DS_____28.6%____8,988
SS_____1.6%____490
Steel_____69.8%____21,941
Known_____99.9%____31,419
Unknown_____0.1%____20
Total_____100.0%____31,439

July 1950
B&O_____%____Number
DS_____8.6%____2,437
SS_____1.6%____448
Steel_____89.8%____25,374
Known_____100.0%____28,259
Unknown_____0.0%____1
Total_____100.0%____28,260

The B&O tables exclude 26 SS "box" cars, class LO, that are not
included in the ORER recapitulation. Two steel box cars (in 1945),
class XT, are excluded for the same reason.

The B&O reduced its DS fleet by more than 6,500 cars; even so, DS
cars far outnumbered SS cars in both years. The steel fleet
increased by over 3,400 cars; overall there was a decline of 3,177
box and auto cars.


SP:

January 1945
SP_____%____Number
DS_____1.5%____373
SS_____48.6%____11,847
Steel_____49.7%____12,135
Known_____99.8%____24,355
Unknown_____0.2%____45
Total_____100.0%____24,400

July 1950
SP_____%____Number
DS_____0.6%____165
SS_____26.4%____7,162
Steel_____73.0%____19,845
Known_____100.0%____27,172
Unknown_____0.0%____1
Total_____100.0%____27,173

The SP tables exclude 4 SS class XT boxcars not included in the ORER
recapitulation (3 in 1950).

The SP trimmed its meager DS fleet by 56% and its SS fleet by 40%;
steel grew by a whopping 7,710 cars. While there were almost as many
SS cars as steel in 1945, by 1950 nearly three fourths of the fleet
was steel. Overall, the fleet of box and auto cars grew by 2,773
cars.

Best wishes,
Larry Ostresh
Laramie, Wyoming

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