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Re: Car travel

Rob Kirkham <rdkirkham@...>
 

Hmmm, I'm not so sure of your 10% figure Dave. Not that I can say it is incorrect, and I'd appreciate it if you could point to a figure somewhere, but....

According to the Dominion Bureau of Statistics Monthly Railway traffic Reports for the year ended December 31, 1953, the total of railway freight loaded at stations in Canada was 120,059,931 tons. In addition, a further 36,047,121 tons of freight entered Canada from elsewhere and moved over Canadian lines. Of that 36 million tons received from outside Canada and moved on Canadian railways, 16,690,236 tons was shipped back out of Canada. Of all the freight moving in Canada, 110,860,379 tons terminated in Canada, and 44,523,673 tons left Canada. (The figures do not quite add up as you'd expect. Total freight originated in 1953 was 156,107,052 tons; total freight terminated was 155,384,052. that almost 1 million tons. I gather that this is attributable in part to the way the statistics were gathered, with only terminated freight counted. As a result, freight still on the move would not be included, and freight loaded at the end of the previous year that terminated in 1953 would be counted. In addition, LCL was not quite captured by the numbers and so impacted the total tons some. I don't quite follow this, but it is mentioned quickly in a note with the 1940 Railway Revenue Freight Loadings report.)

The next document I have is the Railway Transport Reports - also DBS publication. It shows total freight carried to be 156,249,259 tons. Another tables shows 176,751,636 tons carried, but notes that of this, 20,502,377 tons was carried by more than one railway - so counted twice. Freight received from foreign connections weighed in at 36,263,279 tons - also slightly different from the monthly reports figures. This information is broken down by commodity and railway, so is somewhat helpful for those modelling regional railways - but not too useful to anyone trying to ascertain anything about the traffic on a small portion of one of the trans-continental lines.

So, first problem with this info is that tons are not cars. Second, a certain amount of the commodities shipped over Canadian railways was terminated at docks to continue in ocean going vessels. I haven't seen a stat that separates USA bound shipments from those bound to the rest of the world. Geography says that the rail traffic out of Canada went to the USA, but just how big a proportion of total traffic went by ship? Third, a certain portion was shipped from one Canadian point to another making use of bridge routes through the USA.

So it get's rather muddled.

Rob Kirkham

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Nelson" <Lake_Muskoka@att.net>
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 12:08 PM
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Re: Car travel


destron@vcn.bc.ca wrote:
So, from this discussion and one I found in the archive, I'm
concluding that I can safely have a couple of Canadian cars in my
rolling stock park, and on occasion have them 'slip' into local
service (like Larry Jackman just mentioned, and like one of the
messages on the subject in the archives mentioned a Canadian car in
NC loaded with sawdust for shipment to eastern NC). I would echo
Michael Bishop's question on Mexican cars, though. Would an
assumption similar to Canadian cars be valid? (PGE reefers loaded
with sockeye salmon from the BC coast and cars from Mexico loaded
with tequila?)
Frank, per Dominion railroad statictics only about 10% of all Canadian
carloadings were destined to points in the US. Some of those would have
been using mty US marked cars being sent home.

As the CN and CP would have owned enough cars to take car of Canada's
traffic in a given year, it's a reasonable probability then that over time
there would be an average of not more than 10% of their cars beeing seen
south of the border at any given time. Some days would have more, some
less, but over time it would average out to around 10%.

If you take 10% of Canada's boxcar fleet and compute those cars as a
percentage of the total US boxcar fleet it works out to around 1.4% (early
1950's data). Now, looking at wheel reports, the numbers of Canadian cars
is unusually low relative to the total CP / CN fleet -- see, if there were
no issues at the border whatsoever you'd see about 15% of all boxcars were
marked CP or CN as that's what percentage their total fleet would be in the
US... but the analyized wheel reports show the numbers close to the expected
1.4%. Now you'd probably find distortions regionally... such as near
Buffalo or Seattle for instance as compared to, say, some tiny burg south of
Phoenix Arizona or in central Georgia. But I am of the opinion that once
they cleared the border choke points, the cars probably dispersed fairly
evenly.

So again, you need to first think of national averages -- 10% of ladings
going to the US means roughly 10% of boxcars seen in the US would be
Canadian... and then make whatever adjustments you deem correct to account
for seasonality, location, and possibly lading (somewhat lessor odds of
Canadian lumber being delivered to, say, a lumber center like Burns,
Oregon).

In the final analysis, I think you can justify that 1.4% w/ no difficulty.
But making it 15-20% will be either take a real stretch of imagination of a
fortuitous choice of locations.

Dave Nelson




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Re: Car travel

Charles Hladik
 

Russ,
If the cars were not returned "loaded or empty", what was their status.
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Re: NYC USRA steel boxcars

Tim O'Connor
 

I keep hoping that Ted Culotta (Speedwitch) or someone else will
come out with proper kits for the rebuilt cars. I think Ted has done the
L&NE re-roof of the ARA 1923 car so the NYC cars are a natural! The
re-roofed cars were more common than the originals by the time
period I'm interested in...

Tim O'Connor

-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Tony Higgins" <earthman92853@yahoo.com>
I am building a Westerfield kit for one of these cars and found an
article on them by Richard Hendrickson in a recent issue of Railmodel
Journal. Two questions came to mind: First, the article mentions that
many (all?) were rebuilt with Murphy panel roofs in the '40's. I
checked Westerfield's website and didn't see a kit version with this
configuration offered. Could I just use a generic roof from a '37 AAR
standard boxcar (with the understanding that I may have to resize it a
bit)? Second, in the banner to the article, outside the main text,
there is mention of IM kits for this car being offered by "Sun Models".
I did a search in Yahoo and found no reference to them. Does anyone
know of and have contact information for Sun Models? I need a few more
of these cars...
Thanks in advance!

Tony Higgins


Re: Back to Car Classes...

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Frank Valoczy wrote:
Did some more research on this subject, and have been able to come up with some lists (mostly incomplete) for ATSF (and SFRD), ACL (and daughters C&WC and CN&L), B&O, CB&Q, Clinchfield, NC&StL, NH, N&W, NS, RDG, SAL, SP (and daughters SPdeM/Ferrocarril del Pacifico, NWP, PW, SD&AE, T&NO) UP, VGN, West India Fruit & Steamship and WM.
Frank, I assume your "PW" in the SP list is a typo for PE. Be advised that PE only occasionally followed SP practice in class assignments, though it did have some cars bought as SP designs. And the FdelP rapidly lost the former SPdeM class designations after the end of the SPdeM in 1951, and in any case the Mexican government taking over SPdeM is not exactly a "daughter" relationship.
Your various SP and subsidiary listings are variably correct, partly because some number groups are not single classes. I have published all the SP info in my series of books on SP freight cars and can provide clarification if you want. Incidentally, SP was about to make the changeover from the "MWB" designation, to various hopper and gondola AAR classes in the ORER you are citing, so those uninformative listings were on the verge of going away.

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Re: Car travel

jim peters
 

Michael,

Yes, the same rule did hold true. As to how much traffic came north from Mexico I can not answer your question with regards to the late 40's or 1950's; but . . . In the early stages of World War II, the United States realized that Mexico as well as the rest of Latin America could furnish key materials required for the war effort. The Mexican government could not deliver the quantity of materials at the rate they were required with its railway system rundown and still trying to recover from the effects of the revolution. With negotiations between the two countries the UNITED STATES RAILWAY MISSION TO MEXICO was developed.

Sponsored by the Institute of Inter-American Transportation, a subsidiary of the Office of Inter-American Affairs (OIAA) and headed by Nelson A. Rockefeller, the mission greatly increased the ability of the Ferrocarriles Nacionales de Mexico (NdeM) to safely carry large amounts of supplies, especially to the United States. By the end of 1942 this essential traffic north reached an estimated 1,300,000 tons.

As a special note, the mission was the first massive American technical assistance program to a foreign country and as a measure of its success was instrumental in the development of the Marshall Plan of 1948.

Maybe others have additional information, when added to this could better answer your question.

You have a good day,

Jim Peters
Coquitlam, BC


To: STMFC@yahoogroups.comFrom: goldrod_1@yahoo.comDate: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 01:18:41 -0700Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Car travel




Would this rule hold true for cars that came from Mexico? And how much traffic did come Mexico in the 40s and 50s?Michael BishopRuss Strodtz <railfreightcars@19main.com> wrote:Bruce,Interesting rule. How was it enforced before the days of computersystems?Russ> > As for Canadian cars, the rules were pretty simple. IIRC, they could > travel to the US with Canadian cargo. They could not, in general, > travel between points in the US with domestic lading. I'm pretty > sure that they could also return to Canada loaded.>>> Regards> Bruce> > Bruce F. Smith> Auburn, AL---------------------------------Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase.






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Re: Car travel

Dave Nelson
 

destron@vcn.bc.ca wrote:
So, from this discussion and one I found in the archive, I'm
concluding that I can safely have a couple of Canadian cars in my
rolling stock park, and on occasion have them 'slip' into local
service (like Larry Jackman just mentioned, and like one of the
messages on the subject in the archives mentioned a Canadian car in
NC loaded with sawdust for shipment to eastern NC). I would echo
Michael Bishop's question on Mexican cars, though. Would an
assumption similar to Canadian cars be valid? (PGE reefers loaded
with sockeye salmon from the BC coast and cars from Mexico loaded
with tequila?)
Frank, per Dominion railroad statictics only about 10% of all Canadian
carloadings were destined to points in the US. Some of those would have
been using mty US marked cars being sent home.

As the CN and CP would have owned enough cars to take car of Canada's
traffic in a given year, it's a reasonable probability then that over time
there would be an average of not more than 10% of their cars beeing seen
south of the border at any given time. Some days would have more, some
less, but over time it would average out to around 10%.

If you take 10% of Canada's boxcar fleet and compute those cars as a
percentage of the total US boxcar fleet it works out to around 1.4% (early
1950's data). Now, looking at wheel reports, the numbers of Canadian cars
is unusually low relative to the total CP / CN fleet -- see, if there were
no issues at the border whatsoever you'd see about 15% of all boxcars were
marked CP or CN as that's what percentage their total fleet would be in the
US... but the analyized wheel reports show the numbers close to the expected
1.4%. Now you'd probably find distortions regionally... such as near
Buffalo or Seattle for instance as compared to, say, some tiny burg south of
Phoenix Arizona or in central Georgia. But I am of the opinion that once
they cleared the border choke points, the cars probably dispersed fairly
evenly.

So again, you need to first think of national averages -- 10% of ladings
going to the US means roughly 10% of boxcars seen in the US would be
Canadian... and then make whatever adjustments you deem correct to account
for seasonality, location, and possibly lading (somewhat lessor odds of
Canadian lumber being delivered to, say, a lumber center like Burns,
Oregon).

In the final analysis, I think you can justify that 1.4% w/ no difficulty.
But making it 15-20% will be either take a real stretch of imagination of a
fortuitous choice of locations.

Dave Nelson


Re: Back to Car Classes...

Miller, Andrew S. <asmiller@...>
 

Thanx Frank. This is a great resource.

And yes, you probably are *that* insane ;-)


regards,

Andy Miller


Back to Car Classes...

destron@...
 

Did some more research on this subject, and have been able to come up with
some lists (mostly incomplete) for ATSF (and SFRD), ACL (and daughters
C&WC and CN&L), B&O, CB&Q, Clinchfield, NC&StL, NH, N&W, NS, RDG, SAL, SP
(and daughters SPdeM/Ferrocarril del Pacifico, NWP, PW, SD&AE, T&NO) UP,
VGN, West India Fruit & Steamship and WM.

I've only been including those listed in the Jan/53 ORER (as that's the
only one I have, and close enough to my modeling period). I've probably
not got anything here that y'all don't already know, but in case anyone
wants to look, here it is. I know I've found it frustrating when people
talk about ABCR's XXX-69 class of car without giving any reference to
running numbers, and no source for easily matching them up, too, so maybe
there's a few others like me in that sense out there who might find this
useful.

(Note: I've not included PRR, because that *is* easy enough to find, and
I've not bothered with NYC et al, because I'm not *that* insane, and the
lady who already thinks I'm nuts would likely send me off to Essondale...)

Frank Valoczy
Vancouver, BC

Freight Car Classes

ATCHISON, TOPEKA & SANTA FE
4300-4399 (XM) =
4400-4648 (XM) =
4850-5099 (XAR) =
5100-5199 (XMR) =
5200-5599 (XAR) =
5600-5774 (XAP) =
5775-5864 (XAP) =
5865-5968 (XAP) =
5969-6021 (XAP) =
6022-6067 (XAP) =
6095-6099 (XME) =
6100-6151 (XAP) =
6170-6177 (XAP) =
6178-6185 (XAP) =
6186-6192 (XAP) =
6193-6195 (XAP) =
6196, 6197 (XAP) =
6295-6330 (XAP) =
6400-6444 (XAP) =
6486-6497 (XAP) =
6520-6525 (XAP) =
6600-6610 (XAP) =
6660-6663 (XMP) =
6664-6670 (XMP) =
6683-6722 (XMP) =
6730-6735 (XMP) =
6736-6750 (XMP) =
6751-6999 (XAR) =
7000-7149 (XM) =
7150-7199 (XAR) =
7200-7251 (XM) =
7350-7354 (XML) = Fe-21
7355-7399 (XML) = Fe-21
7400-7449 (XML) =
7450-7674 (XML) =
7700-7849 (XM) =
7850-7999 (XM) =
8000-8499 (XM) =
8500-8999 (XM) = Fe-27
9000-9199 (XAR) = Fe-28?
9200-9455 (XMR) = Fe-25
9460-9496 (XM) =
9500-9699 (XM) =
9700-9949 (XM) =
9952, 9955 (XM) =
9960-9994 (XAP) =
10300-10350 (XML) =
10351-10399 (XM) =
10400-10499 (XM) =
10800-10999 (XMR) =
11000-11099 (XML) =
11100-11299 (XME) =
11500-11744 (XM) =
11745-11843 (XM) =
12000-12192 (XAP) =
12195-12260 (XAP) =
13000-13100 (XAP) =
13101-13169 (XAP) =
14000-14155 (XAP) =
14156-14170 (XAP) =
23000-23199 (SC) =
25000-29170 (SM) =
29999 (XM) =
30000-31249 (XM) = Bx-53
31250-31749 (XM) = Bx-57
32000-32299 (XM) =
32300-32499 (XM) =
32500-33482 (XM) = Bx-13
33500-33999 (XM) = Bx-59
34000-35049 (XM) =
35250-35998 (XM) = Bx-63
35999 (XM) = Bx-65
36000-36499 (XM) =
36950-36968 (XM) =
37000-37024 (XAP) = Bx-31
37025-37036 (XAP) =
37040-37074 (XAP) =
37080-37085 (XAP) =
37097-37191 (XAP) =
37200-37209 (XAP) =
37210-37295 (XAP) =
37300-37302 (XAP) =
37303-37305 (XAP) =
37400-37425 (XAP) =
37440-37464 (XAP) =
37500-37562 (XAP) =
37563-37579 (XAP) =
37600-37669 (XAP) =
38000-38699 (XM) = Bx-62
40000-40002 (XM) = Bx-25
40050-40094 (XI) = Bx-6
40100-40141 (XI) =
40190-40244 (XMP) =
40250-40449 (XM) =
40500-40755 (XM) =
40800-40999 (XM) =
41477-49668 (XM) =
49701-49952 (XM) =
50003-50499 (SM) =
50500-50999 (SM) =
51120 (SM) =
52000-52430 (SM) =
54300-55497 (SM) =
55534-57972 (SM) =
58003-58999 (SM) =
59004-60001 (SM) = Sk-N
60002-60801 (SM) =
60830-61500 (XM) =
61612-62731 (XM) =
63000-63254 (XM) = Fe-S
63255-63504 (XAR) =
63651-63750 (XM) =
63751-64161 (XM) = Bx-56 & Bx-58
64200-64699 (XMR) =
65500-65999 (GS) =
66933-66953 (XM) =
67151-67250 (XAR) =
67350-67449 (XAR) =
67450-67499 (XAR) =
67500-67599 (XMR) =
67600-68099 (SC) =
68100-68599 (SC) = Sk-M
68600-68849 (SC) =
68851-69100 (SC) =
69101-69300 (SC) =
70000-70499 (GRA) = Ga-4
70550-70599 (GT) =
71000-71149 (GB) =
71150-71297 (GB) =
71298-71444 (GB) =
72040-72049 (GB) =
72050-72092 (GB) =
72180-72349 (GH) =
72350-72749 (GB) =
72750-72999 (GB) =
73014-73999 (GB) =
74000-74250 (GB) =
74500 (GB) =
77000-77399 (HFA) = Ga-64
77400-77649 (HFA) =
77650-77899 (HFA) =
78000-78299 (HM) =
79321-79935 (GRA) =
80808-82400 (GRA) =
82407-84602 (GRA) =
85211-85372 (GRA) =
85551-85700 (GRA) =
85701-85749 (GRA) =
85751-85850 (GT) =
85851-85900 (GT) =
85901-85925 (GT) =
85926-85952 (GT) =
86000-86499 (HFA) = Ga-50
86500-86799 (HFA) =
87409 (MWB) =
87895 (MWB) =
88001-88350 (HFA) =
88501-88550 (HFA) =
89892 (MWB) =
90501-90850 (FM) = Ft-F?
91000-91191 (FM) =
91194-91199 (FMS) =
91201-91236 (FMS) =
91239-91300 (FMS) =
! 91250, 91251 (FC) =
91301 (FMS) =
91302-91314 (FMS) =
91315-91499 (FM) =
91500-91699 (FM) =
91700-91970 (FM) =
92000-92017 (LP) =
92143-92175 (LP) =
92176-92255 (LP) =
92256-92296 (LP) =
92300-92320 (LP) =
92321-92380 (LP) =
92400 (FMS) =
92500, 92501 (LP) =
93151-93250 (FM) =
93251-93260 (FMS) =
93300-93499 (FM) =
95003 (TM) =
95006 (TM) =
95008 (TM) =
95009-96052 (TM) = Tk-F
96053-96900 (TM) =
96901-96700 (FM) =
97001-97500 (FM) =
97600-97999 (FM) =
98490 (MWB) =
98863 (MWB) =
99000-99018 (TM) =
99021, 99022 (TM) =
99033-99078 (TM) =
99098-99499 (TM) =
99500-99699 (TM) =
99700-99899 (TM) =
99900-100299 (TM) =
100300-100799 (TM) =
100800-100899 (TM) =
100900-101099 (TM) =
101100-101349 (TM) =
108000-108204 (FL) =
112000-112198 (GB) =
115000-115299 (RB) =
115503-115978 (RB) =
116000-120999 (XM) = Bx-3
124000-125999 (XM) = Bx-11
126000-129499 (XM) = Bx-12
129500-129799 (XM) =
130299 (XM) =
134486, 134700 (XM) =
135074 (XM) = Bx-13
136000-136499 (XM) = Bx-26
136500-138499 (XM) = Bx-27
138500-138699 (XM) = Bx-28
138700-139199 (XM) = Bx-44
139500-141300 (XM) = Bx-34
141302-144310 (XM) = Bx-37
144400-144699 (XM) =
145000-145499 (XM) = Bx-33
145500-147499 (XM) = Bx-37
148000-148199 (XM) = Bx-31
148200-148399 (XM) = Bx-32
148400-149933 (XM) = Bx-36
150001-150500 (XM) = Bx-35
151092-151491 (XM) =
166000-166249 (GB) = Ga-68
166250-166999 (GB) =
167000-167799 (GB) =
168550-168599 (GB) =
168600-168699 (GB) =
168700-168999 (GB) =
169000-169199 (GH) = Ga-26
169200-169499 (GH) =
169500-169899 (GB) =
169900-169999 (GB) =
170002-170298 (GB) =
170600-170849 (GH) =
170850-170974 (GB) = Ga-55
171000-174349 (GS) = Ga-7 (172477), Ga-8 (172850), Ga-11 (173847), Ga-12
(174199)
171350-174649 (GS) =
174650-175149 (GS) = Ga-17 (Ga-5?)
175150-175874 (GS) =
176000-176599 (GB) = Ga-49
176600-176649 (GBS) =
176650-176713 (GBS) =
180400-180799 (HM) = Ga-60, Ga-62
180800-180999 (HM) = Ga-54
181000-181074 (HTR) =
181075-181149 (HTR) =
181150-181199 (HTR) =
181350-181674 (LO) =
181675-181999 (LO) =
182000-182009 (LO) =
182010-182059 (LO) =
182060-182559 (LO) =
182560-182809 (LO) =
183000-183424 (HM) =
183425-184424 (HM) =
210000-211049 (XM) = Bx-11
211050 (XM) = Bx-12
211051-214549 (XM) = Bx-12
226042-229491 (XM) =
232152-235593 (XM) =
241588-249319 (XM) =
261818 (XM) =
269501, 269565 (XM) =
270000-270134 (XM) = Bx-42
270500-271033 (XM) = Bx-42
271600-271949 (XM) = Bx-45
272000-272977 (XM) = Bx-46
272978-273914 (XM) = Bx-49
274000-274749 (XM) = Bx-48
274750-275499 (XM) = Bx-51
275500-276499 (XM) = Bx-50
276500-276749 (XM) = Bx-52
300000 (XM) =
324451-324950 (XI) =
324951-325950 (XI) =
325951-326350 (XI) =
326351-326450 (XI) =

ATSF - SFRD
1200 (RP) =
1220-1249 (RP) =
1300 (RS) =
3000-3009 (RS) =
3280-3499 (RS) =
3500-3849 (RS) = Rr-44
3850-4099 (RS) =
4200-4248 (RS) =
4249 (RS) =
4250 (RS) =
4251-4750 (RS) =
5000 (RS) =
5001 (RS) =
5002-5009 (RS) =
5010-5019 (RS) =
5020-5069 (RS) = Rr-31
5070-5144 (RS) =
5145-5244 (RS) =
6000-6012 (LRC) =
7000, 7001 (RS) =
7002-7026 (RS) =
7027, 7028 (RS) =
7029-7360 (RS) =
7529-7888 (RS) =
7900-8069 (RS) =
8100-8599 (RS) =
8600-9368 (RS) = Rr-43
9639-9869 (RS) =
9870-10869 (RS) = Rr-46
10870-11431 (RS) = Rr-48
11432-12421 (RS) =
12432-13431 (RS) =
14280-15399 (RS) =
24451-24950 (RS) =
24951-25450 (RS) =
25451-25950 (RS) =
25951-26350 (RS) =
26351-26450 (RS) =
31100-31253 (RS) =
31254, 31255 (RS) = Rr-19
31256-31375 (RS) =
31376 (RS) =
31377-31655 (RS) =
31656-33155 (RS) =
33156-33655 (RS) =
34000-34499 (RS) =
34500-34950 (RS) =
35000-35999 (RS) =
36000-36300 (RS) = Rr-29?
36301-36645 (RS) =
36646-36650 (RS) =
37000-37087 (RS) =
37190-37389 (RS) = Rr-30?

ATLANTIC COAST LINE
3000-3049 (R...) = O-14-B
6300-6421 (HFB) =
6500-6694 (HFB) =
6750-6999 (HFB) =
7000-7498 (HT) =
7500-7999 (HFB) =
8050-8073 (HFB) =
8075-8174 (HFB) = U-4
8175-8474 (LO) = U-5
9000-9199 (LO) =
9200-9999 (LO) = U-8?
13200-13299 (XMR) =
14000-14199 (XM) =
14200-14499 (XM) = O-24
15000, 15001 (XM) =
17000-18999 (VM) = O-17
20000-21629 (XM) = O-25
21230-21239 (VA) =
21630-23429 (XM) = O-26
24000-24499 (XM) = O-27
26007-26180 (XM) =
27000-27479 (XM) = O-16-D
27480-28133 (XM) = O-16-E
43735-44234 (VM) =
46000-46896 (XM) = O-14-A?
51000-52127 (XM) = O-21
52128-53927 (XM) = O-23
55000-55499 (XM) = O-16-A
55500-56499 (XM) = O-16-B
56500-57499 (XM) = O-16-C
66200-66388 (TM) =
66389-66430 (TM) =
70000-70199 (LP) =
70200-70349 (LP) =
71000-71299 (LP) =
71500-71860 (LP) =
71900-71974 (LP) =
72000-73199 (LP) =
73500-73599 (FL) =
73800-74069 (LP) =
74076-74099 (FL) =
74100-74399 (LP) =
74400-74499 (FM) = P-12
75000-75514 (LP) =
75669-75699 (FL) =
75700-75884 (FL) =
75900-75912 (FL) =
76010-76920 (FM) =
77000-77471 (FM) =
78000-78161 (FM) = P-10
79003-79074 (FM) =
80000-80199 (HM) =
80562, 80565 (HM) =
80702-80798 (HM) =
81003-81499 (HT) =
81500-81999 (HM) = K-8
82000-82699 (HM) =
82700-83699 (HM) = K-14
83700-83799 (HT) =
85000-85014 (LO) =
85015-85074 (LO) =
85100-85699 (LO) =
86000-86005 (LO) =
90000-90499 (GT) =
90500-90949 (GB) = K-6
90950-93199 (GB) = K-7
93200-93399 (GB) =
93400-93599 (GB) =
93600-93899 (GB) =
93900-94599 (GB) =
94600-94799 (GB) =
95800-96199 (GB) =
98000-98099 (GB) =
99300-99443 (GB) =
140200-140399 (SM) = N-4
140400-140499 (SM) =

BALTIMORE & OHIO
2000-2099 (HT) = BM
5000-5459 (HM) = none
5460-5534 (HM) = none
5535-6534 (HM) = none
8000-8024 (FM) =
8100-8249 (FM) =
8250-8399 (FM) =
8500-8524 (FM) =
9000-9033 (FM) =
9043, 9044 (FM) =
9050 (FM) =
9900-9904 (FW) =
9920 (FD) =
9925 (FD) =
9935 (FD) =
10700-10749 (SF) =
10800-10999 (SF) =
20001-20039 (HM) = N-38
20500-20799 (HM) = N-39
21000-22024 (HM) = N-37a
24371-24653 (HM) = N-10b
26000, 26001 (HM) = N-12w
27000 (HM) = N-10w
30000-31024 (HM) = N-37
32084-32087 (GTC) =
32500-32519 (GTC) =
36000-36099 (GS) =
81025-82562 (XM) =
83002-86061 (XM) = M-15?
106014-106698 (FM) = P-41a
107002-107470 (FM) =
108050-108460 (FM) =
109000-109178 (FM) =
109905-109952 (FM) =
110001-110592 (SF) =
111000-111099 (SF) =
112000-112124 (SM) =
112125-112466 (SM) =
112467-112495 (SM) =
112500-112599 (SM) =
124040-124999 (HM) = N-10
125000-126968 (HM) = N-10a
127463-129661 (HM) = N-10b
132006-133983 (HT) = W-1
134037-134983 (HT) = W-1
135063-135974 (HT) = W-1
151003-151456 (GB) =
165166-165662 (XM) =
166000-166024 (XML) =
166100-166119 (XAP) =
166126-166138 (XAP) =
166201-166224 (XM) =
166300-166342 (XAP) =
166400-166408 (XAP) =
166500-166537 (XAP) =
167000 (XM) =
167050-167064 (XM) =
167100-167112 (XM) =
173027-173398 (XM) =
174003-174463 (XM) =
174579-174992 (XM) =
175007-175990 (XM) =
176020-178448 (XM) =
178997-178999 (XM) =
182184-182918 (XM) =
183700-183703 (XM) =
184000-184807 (XM) =
187002-187494 (XM) = M-24
188014-188408 (XM) =
189038 (XM) =
190186 (XM) =
191689, 192834 (XM) =
220138-220499 (HM) = N-12
220500-220999 (HM) = N-12b
221000-221499 (HM) = N-12a
221500-221993 (HM) = N-12c
222435-222921 (HM) = N-13
223007-225409 (HM) = N-12d
225500-225799 (HM) = N-12j
229078-232744 (HD) = N-13
233100-233496 (HM) = N-26
233500-233699 (HM) = N-26a
234734-234788 (HM) = N-27
235312-235606 (HD) = N-13
240526 (GS) =
248000-248003 (GB) =
248500 (GB) =
249000 (GB) =
250000-250499 (GB) = O-27
250500-256499 (GB) = O-27a
256508-256548 (GB) =
256550-256631 (LG) =
256632-256699 (LG) =
256700-256741 (LG) =
256750-256899 (LG) =
257000-258799 (GB) =
259000-260449 (GB) = O-59
260500-263299 (GB) = O-59a
264000-264999 (GB) =
265000-266999 (XM) = M-26
267000-267999 (XM) = M-26b
268000-271499 (XM) = M-26a
271500-272499 (XM) = M-26c
272500-277999 (XM) = M-26d
278000-278999 (XM) = M-26e
279000 (XM) =
279998, 279999 (XM) =
280000-280999 (XM) =
281000-281999 (XM) = M-27d
282000-283149 (XM) = M-61
284000-284006 (XM) =
284020-284025 (XM) =
285000-285999 (XM) =
287000-287039 (LO) =
290000-290998 (XM) = M-27
291000-291995 (XM) = M-27a
292000-292049 (XM) =
292100-292199 (XML) =
292200-292210 (XAP) =
292215-292218 (XAP) =
292225-292227 (XAP) =
292235-292240 (XAP) =
292300-292304 (XAP) =
292400-292402 (XAP) =
292450-292589 (XAP) =
292600-292608 (XAP) =
292625-292676 (XML) =
292700-292708 (XML) =
292800-292979 (XML) =
293000-293096 (XAP) =
294000-294179 (XM) =
295000 (XM) =
295181-295300 (XM) =
295301-295500 (XM) =
295600-295649 (XMR) =
296000-296198 (XMR) =
286522-286986 (XM) =
297000-297499 (XML) =
297800-297849 (XML) = M-60
298000-298899 (XMR) = M-59
298900-298931 (XAP) =
320000-320999 (HM) = N-17
321000-321599 (HM) = N-17
321600-321899 (HM) = N-17
322003-323413 (HM) = N-12e
323451-323998 (HM) = N-18
324000-324999 (HM) = N-17
325000-325999 (HM) = N-10e
326000-326999 (HM) = N-12f
327000-331999 (HM) = N-12g
332006-332710 (HT) = W-1a
333002-334992 (HT) = W-1a
335004-335106 (HT) = W-3
335500-335749 (HT) = W-1b/ba
350000-350999 (GB) =
365000 (XM) =
366000 (XM) = M-48
367000 (XM) = M-49
367100 (XM) = M-50
370000-370989 (XM) = M-15k
371000-371249 (XM) = M-15k
379000-379048 (XM) = M-15l
380000-381999 (XM) = M-53
382000-382492 (XM) = M-27
384000-384499 (XM) = M-55
385000-385999 (XM) = M-53a
386006-386131 (XM) = M-57
394000-394179 (XM) =
420000-420499 (HM) = N-12g
420500-424879 (HM) = N-12h
425000-425999 (HM) = N-12k
426000-426299 (HM) = N-17a
427000-429899 (HM) = N-35
429900-429999 (HM) = N-35a
430000-431999 (HT) = W-2b
432000-433999 (HT) = W-2
434000-434999 (HT) = W-2a
435000-435999 (HT) = W-7
438262 (GB) =
450000-450199 (GB) = O-40
450200-450749 (GB) = O-60
465000-465899 (XM) = M-55a
465900-465999 (XM) = M-55b
466000-466499 (XM) = M-55c
467000-467999 (XM) = M-55h
520022-527290 (HM) = N-10f
532000-533999 (HT) = W-2a
534000-534999 (HM) = N-35a
536001 (HE) =
550000-550499 (GB) =
550500-556499 (GB) =
620000 (HT) = W-4
620500 (HT) = W-5
621000-622499 (HT) = W-7a
623000-624999 (HT) = W-7b
629000-629999 (LO) =
630000-630023 (LO) =
630025-630074 (LO) =
630104-630177 (LO) =
630200 (LO) = N-31
630300-630649 (LO) =
630650-630999 (LO) =
631000 (HT) = N-28
632000 (HM) = N-29
633000 (HM) = N-30
633001-633003 (HM) = N-30a
634000 (HM) = N-33
635000-635035 (LO) =
636000-637999 (HM) = N-35a
638000-640999 (HM) = N-35a
720222-725396 (HM) = N-23
726000-726798 (HM) = N-17b
820000-823999 (HM) = N-35a
824000-824999 (HM) = N-35b
825000-828999 (HM) = N-41

CHARLESTON & WESTERN CAROLINA (ACL)
1200-1305 (VM) = O-13
1800-1944 (XM) = O-18
3580-3599 (FM) =
3600-3629 (FM) =
3630-3644 (FM) =
3950-3999 (LP) =
4000-4024 (LP) =
4100-4199 (LP) =
5067-5082 (GRA) =
5100-5134 (HM) = K-14
5150-5199 (HM) =
5200-5599 (HM) = K-2 ?
6025-6045 (GB) =
6100-6499 (GB) =
8000-8299 (XM) = O-14-A
8500-8599 (XM) = O-
9000-9146 (XM) = O-14-B
9500-9696 (XM) = O-16-B/C

CHICAGO, BURLINGTON & QUINCY
7000-7488 (XM) =
7489-7996 (XM) =
8000-8299 (XM) =
10000-10899 (XM) =
10900-10999 (XM) =
11000-12499 (XM) =
12500-12999 (XM) =
15000-16999 (XM) =
17000-19399 (XM) =
20000-20299 (XAP) =
20500-20509 (XAP) =
21000-22749 (XM) = XM-33
25000-25499 (XM) = XM-28
25500-25999 (XM) =
26000-26999 (XM) =
28000-28599 (XM) =
29000-37749 (XM) =
39000-39499 (XMR) =
40000-40013 (XM) =
40125-40149 (XMR) =
45500-45999 (XM) =
46500-46599 (XMR) =
46600-46899 (XM) =
46900-46999 (XMR) =
47000-47488 (XMR) =
47489-47999 (XMR) =
48000-48224 (XMR) =
48500-48599 (XM) =
49500-49674 (XMR) =
52000-53199 (SM) =
55950-57449 (SM) =
58000-59499 (SM) =
60000-62249 (XM) =
72000-72149 (GS) =
72150-79799 (GS) =
81000-81499 (GS) =
82000-82199 (GS) =
87000-87799 (GT) =
89000-89099 (FM) =
89100-89599 (FM) =
89900-89999 (FM) =
91000-91849 (FM) =
91850 (FM) =
92000-92799 (FM) =
95000-106599 (XM) =
106600-110899 (XM) =
110900-120499 (XM) =
130251-131250 (XM) = XM-21
131251-132250 (XM) = XM-22
132251-134250 (XM) = XM-23
165000-167999 (GS) =
170000-171849 (HT) =
180000-181049 (LO) =
188000-189999 (HM) =
190000-191749 (HM) =
191994 (HT) =
191995-191999 (HT) =
192000-193199 (HM) =
193500-193749 (HM) =
194000-194999 (HM) =
195000-196499 (GB) =
197000-197129 (GB) =
221500-221749 (HK) =

CLINCHFIELD
3324-3471 (XM) =
5000-5249 (XM) = FB5
5250-5549 (XM) = FB6
8000-8299 (XM) = FB4
10038 (FM) =
10100-10149 (FM) =
16000-16249 (GB) =
43750-45499 (HM) = FH3
47000-47599 (HM) = FH4
48000-48499 (HM) = FH5
49000-51999 (HM) = FH6
60000-60099 (LO) =

COLUMBIA, NEWBERRY & LAURENS (ACL)
2500-2524 (XM) =
2525-2528 (XM) =
2530-2549 (XM) =
5100-5149 (XM) = O-27

FERROCARRIL DEL PACIFICO (ex SUR-PACIFICO DE MEXICO/SP OF MEXICO)
4001-4275 (FM) =
5502-5569 (FM) = F-50-4
8804 (XM) = B-40-?
9000-9049 (XM) = B-50-4?
9050-9148 (XM) =
9150-9208 (XM) = B-50-6
9212-9308 (XM) = B-50-6?
9312-9339 (XM) = B-50-6?
9341-9389 (XM) = B-50-9
9391-9416 (XM) = B-50-9?
9426-9500 (XM) = B-50-14
11000-11197 (MWB) = (SP 12000srs? Hart conv.)
13801-13839 (GA) = G-50-17? Or SP 52723-53101?

NASHVILLE, CHATTANOOGA & St. LOUIS
3000-3249 (XM) =
16100-16599 (XM) = XM28
17800-17844 (XM) =
18000-18499 (XM) = XM30
18500-18999 (XM) = XM34
19000-19499 (XM) = XM35
20000-21399 (XM) = XM32
22000-22649 (XM) =
26000-26199 (SM) =
26200-26299 (SM) =
39000-39099 (GB) =
40000-40199 (GA) =
41000-41024 (GB) =
42400-42599 (GB) =
43040-43199 (GB) =
43200-43399 (GB) =
43500-43799 (GB) =
43800-43999 (GB) =
44000-44499 (GB) =
46200-46299 (HM) =
47000-47224 (HM) =
47500-47999 (HM) =
48000-48049 (HM) =
48100-48299 (HM) =
48300-48499 (HM) =
48500-48799 (HM) =
49000-49124 (LO) =
54000-54049 (GBC) =
70000-70099 (FM) =
70100-70299 (FM) = FM9

NEW YORK, NEW HAVEN & HARTFORD
17050-17059 (FD) =
17060-17069 (FD) =
17080-17082 (FD) =
17090 (FD) =
17202-17270 (FM) = FM-1
17300-17399 (FM) =
17500-17699 (FC) =
30000-30999 (XM) =
31000-31349 (XM) =
31350-31499 (XM) =
31500-31649 (XM) =
31650-32999 (XM) =
33000-33099 (XM) =
33100-33499 (XM) =
33500-34499 (XM) =
34500-35999 (XM) =
50000-50014 (GS) =
58000-58499 (GB) = GA-2
60000-60498 (GB) =
60500-60649 (GA) =
115000-115545 (HM) =
116000-116249 (HM) =
117000-117014 (LO) =
120001-121497 (HM) =

NORFOLK & WESTERN
2300-2474 (LP) =
3000-15452 (HT) = HC?
15500-25999 (HT) = HUa?
27000-28420 (HT) =
29000-29749 (SM) = SK
30000-30999 (HT) =
32009-32249 (FM) =
32250-32499 (FM) = FE
32800-32824 (FM) =
33000-37999 (HM) = H-1?
38000-39999 (HM) = HL?
40000-40603 (XM) = BK
41000-41995 (XM) = BPA
42000-42790 (XM) =
43000-43999 (XM) =
44000-44999 (XM) = B-8
45000-45999 (XM) =
46000-47499 (XM) = B-1
47500-47999 (XM) = B-7
48000-48999 (XM) = B-5?
49000-49199 (XM) =
49200-49299 (XM) = B-2
49500-49999 (XM) =
50000-50499 (XM) = B-7a?
50500-51999 (XM) =
52000-52299 (XM) = B-3?
52300-52349 (XM) = B-4?
52350-52399 (XM) = B-4A
56500-59999 (HM) =
60000-61999 (HM) =
67000-69999 (HM) =
70099 (FD) =
70100-70139 (LP) =
70140-70159 (HT) =
70160-70219 (LO) = HC
70220-70284 (LO) =
70290-70299 (LO) =
70300-70439 (LP) =
70440-70459 (XMP) =
70461-70499 (LC) =
70500-70549 (GB) =
70550-70584 (LG) =
70600-70699 (GB) = G-4
70700-70799 (LO) =
70800-70999 (LO) = HC-3
71000-71099 (LO) =
71100-77267 (HM) = HM
78000-79499 (HT) =
79500-83999 (HM) = HP
84000-86743 (HM) =
87000-87470 (HM) = HA?
87500-87907 (HM) =
88000-89999 (GB) = G-5
90000-90499 (GA) = G-5
90500-90999 (GA) =
91000-92599 (GA) =
93600-97599 (GA) = GU
98000-98631 (GA) =
99000-99999 (GA) =
100585-101726 (GT) = GK
120005-120776 (XM) = BK
516416-516419 (TM) =
516420-516422 (TM) =
516423-516426 (TM) =

NORFOLK SOUTHERN
3001-3008 (TM) =
7000-7149 (GB) =
7200-7249 (GB) =
7301-7350 (GB) =
7500-7649 (GB) =
8001-8005 (LO) =
9000-9049 (HM) =
10500-10539 (LP) =
10601-10650 (LP) =
10701-10740 (LP) =
11001-11014 (FM) =
25000-25499 (XM) = XM2
25500-25752 (XM) = XM3
26000-26024 (XM) =
27000-27249 (XM) = XM5

NORTHWESTERN PACIFIC (SP)
1900-1999 (XM) = (USRA DS)
4412-4499 (FM) = F-50-?
4501-4539 (FL) =
4764 (GB) = G-50-2
4817 (GB) = G-50-6
5650-5669 (SM) = S-40-4
5670-5729 (SM) = S-40-5

PACIFIC ELECTRIC (SP)
2700-2898 (XM) = B-50-13
3405-3471 (FM) =
3510,3533,3546 (FM) =
3578, 3590 (FM) = F-50-4
3613 (FM) = F-50-4
3616-3762 (FM) = F-50-8
6026-6090 (GS) =
7311 (TM) =
7314-7319 (TM) =
10016-10377 (XM) = B-50-14
20050-20593 (GS) =
25008-25010 (GB) =

READING
1587-1589 (BR) =
1591 (BR) =
1598-1601 (BR) =
4000-4999 (XM) =
5001-5999 (XM) =
6450-6949 (GB) =
6950-7449 (GB) = GMK
9100 (FG) =
9200-9249 (FM) =
9400-9449 (FMS) =
9556-9599 (FM) =
10550-11549 (XM) =
11550-13549 (XM) =
18000-18034 (XME) =
18700-18799 (XMR) =
18800-18999 (XM) =
19006-19055 (SM) =
19100-19195 (XM) =
19196-19199 (XAP) =
19400-19459 (XAP) =
19460-19549 (XM) =
19550-19599 (XM) =
19885-19984 (RS) =
20000-21999 (GB) = GML
23015-23034 (GB) =
23500-24499 (GB) = GML
24500-25499 (GB) =
25900-26099 (GB) = GHH
26100-26899 (GB) = GHJ
27000 (GB) = GHH
28500-28999 (GB) =
29000-29999 (GB) =
30000-30199 (GB) =
30200-30399 (GB) =
32000-32999 (GB) = GHL
33000-33999 (GB) = GHM
34000-34499 (GB) = GHN
65000-65999 (HM) =
66000-66999 (HM) = HTS
67000-67338 (HM) =
67339-67999 (HM) = HTS
68500-72499 (HT) =
72500-74499 (HM) =
74500-78999 (HM) =
79000-79083 (LO) =
79084-79133 (LO) =
79200-79249 (LO) =
79250-79349 (LO) =
79350-79449 (LO) =
79450-79549 (LO) =
80000-80999 (HM) =
81000-81999 (HM) = HTT
82000-82749 (HM) =
83000-85999 (HM) =
86000-89999 (HM) = HTF?
99000-99004 (FW) =
99005-99007 (FW) =
99008-99012 (FW) =
99015 (TM) =
99045-99049 (FD) =
99050 (FD) =
100000-100999 (XM) = XMT
101000-102999 (XM) = XMU
103000-103299 (XM) =
104000-104699 (XM) =
105000-105299 (XM) =
105300-105499 (XM) =
106000-106799 (XM) =
107000-107499 (XM) =
107500-107999 (XM) =
108000-108499 (XM) =

SAN DIEGO & ARIZONA EASTERN (SP)
7000-7002 (XM) = B-50-16
9000-9003 (SM) = S-40-8

SEABOARD AIR LINE
3000 (TM) =
3002-3010 (TM) =
4001-4279 (XM) =
4400-4404 (RB) =
6500-6549 (GB) =
6900-6949 (SM) =
7600-7999 (LO) =
8000-8249 (LO) =
8250-8449 (LO) =
8450-8649 (LO) =
9001-9010 (XMR) =
9011-9060 (XMR) = A-1
9100-9149 (XMR) =
10000-10199 (XM) =
11000-11999 (XM) = AF-1
12000-12999 (XM) = B-3
13001-13965 (XM) = B-4
14500-14999 (XM) =
15000-16999 (XM) = B-5
17000-18999 (XM) = B-6
19000-19499 (XM) = B-7
19500-19699 (XM) = B-8
19700-19999 (XM) = B-9
22000-22199 (XM) =
22200-22449 (XM) = AF-1
22450-22949 (XM) = AF-4
23000-23499 (XM) =
24000-25499 (XM) = B-10
28000-29249 (VM) = V-1?
36250-36449 (HM) =
36500-36600 (HM) =
37000-37399 (HM) =
37400-38649 (HM) = 37550: H-7? ; 37703: H-8
40500-40599 (FM) =
41000-41999 (LP) =
42000-42899 (LP) = R-5
43000-44199 (LP) =
46000-46285 (LP) =
47000-47499 (FM) = F-5
55001-55088 (LO) =
55090-55148 (LO) =
55500-55599 (LO) =
56000-56399 (HT) =
56400-56499 (HT) =
56600-56799 (HT) =
57200-57399 (HT) =
57400-57599 (HT) =
57900-57999 (HT) =
58000-59274 (LO) = P-9
79000-79999 (VM) = V-10
89000-89899 (VM) =
90000-90999 (GB) =
91000-91049 (GB) =
91100-91899 (GB) = G-11
95000-95099 (GB) =
96000-97599 (GB) = G-7
98000-98999 (GB) =
99100-99999 (GB) =

SOUTHERN PACIFIC
5700-5749 (XME) = B-50-24
10280-10579 (MWB) =
10583-10876 (MWB) =
10957 (MWB) =
10964-11323 (MWB) =
11324-11373 (MWB) =
11374-11423 (MWB) =
12000-12637 (MWB) =
12640-12835 (MWB) =
12840-12985 (MWB) =
13088-13499 (MWB) = H-50-5
13500-13599 (MWB) = H-50-6
13600-13949 (MWB) = H-70-2
13955-14099 (MWB) = H-70-3
14100-14111 (LO) = H-70-3A
14112-14442 (GS) =
14480-15979 (XM) = B-50-15
15980, 15981 (XM) = (ARA 4-D)
17359-18374 (XM) = B-50-6
18880-19079 (XM) = B-50-14
19080-19454 (XM) =
20000-20499 (XM) = B-50-15
20500-22249 (XM) = B-50-25
22803-24056 (XM) = B-50-6
24843 (XM) = B-50-9
25562-25839 (XM) = B-50-10
25840-26310 (XM) = B-50-11
26360-27359 (XM) = B-50-12
27389-29609 (XM) = B-50-13
29640-31539 (XM) = B-50-14
31560-32659 (XM) = B-50-15
32770-34519 (XM) = B-50-18
34797-35121 (XM) = B-40-6
37321-37337 (RS) =
37340-37839 (XM) = B-50-16
37840-38839 (XM) = B-50-19
38840-38985 (FM) = F-50-8
39025-39467 (FM) = F-50-4
39520-39818 (FM) = F-50-10
39820-39869 (FM) = F-50-9
39870-39878 (FD) = F-70-4
39879 (FD) = F-70-4
39900, 39901 (FD) = F-125-1
40003-40404 (FM) =
40436-40883 (FM) = F-50-4
40900-41469 (FM) = F-50-5
42166, 42546 (FM) =
42600-42899 (FM) = F-50-9
42902 (FM) =
42941-43090 (FM) = F-50-10
43091-43190 (FM) = F-50-11
43191-43690 (FM) = F-50-12
43691-43788 (FM) = F-50-9
43791-44090 (FM) = F-50-13
44091-44095 (FM) = F-200-1
44160-44359 (GS) =
44360-44428 (GS) =
44817 (GA) =
45449 (GA) =
45462-45889 (GA) =
45637 (GA) =
45773 (GA) =
45887 (GA) =
45907-46066 (GA) =
46155-47079 (GS) = G-50-?
47680-47729 (TM) = O-50-14
47740-47797 (TM) =
47799-47872 (TM) =
47880-48079 (TM) = O-50-9
48100-48199 (TM) = O-50-7
48200-48399 (TM) = O-50-8
48407-48895 (FM) =
49100-49399 (TM) = O-50-6
48956-49055 (FM) =
49480-49678 (FM) = F-50-14
49679 (FM) = F-70-1
49693-49993 (FM) =
50003-50872 (TM) = O-50-1
50878-51078 (TM) = O-50-2
51080-51132 (TM) =
51208-51624 (TM) =
52073-52157 (LP) =
52158-52229 (LP) =
52230-52235 (LP) =
52236-52298 (LP) =
52299-52311 (LP) =
52312-52364 (LP) =
52365-52389 (LP) =
52390-52462 (LP) =
52463-52478 (LP) =
52479-52494 (LP) =
52495-52542 (LP) =
52550-52555 (LP) =
52556-52569 (LP) =
52570-52572 (LP) =
52573-52602 (LP) =
52603-52610 (LP) =
52611-52616 (LP) =
52617-52722 (LP) =
52723-53101 (GB) =
53254-53301 (GB) =
53395-53540 (GB) =
53800-53887 (GB) =
54054-54171 (GB) =
54227-54373 (GB) =
54408-54452 (GB) =
54472 (GB) =
54591-54672 (GB) =
54680-54755 (GS) =
56330-57829 (GS) = G-50-20
55860-55978 (TM) = CS25A
58000-58198 (TM) = O-50-10
58200-58399 (TM) = O-50-11
58400-58574 (TM) = O-50-12
58575-58774 (TM) - O-50-13
58920-59479 (XM) = B-50-26
59480-59599 (FL) =
59602-59656 (FL) =
59657-59662 (FL) =
59668-59709 (FL) =
59718-59822 (FL) =
59895-59907 (FL) =
59999 (FL) =
60000-60249 (FL) =
60250-61189 (XM) = B-50-26
62083-62554 (XM) = A-50-3
63082-63085 (XM) = A-50-4
! 63159 (XM) =
63330-63579 (XM) = A-50-13
63627-63727 (XM) = A-50-4
63747-64096 (XM) = A-50-13
64100-64524 (XMR) = A-50-12
! 64329 (XM) =
64525-64564 (XML) = A-50-12
64565-64624 (XM) = A-50-12
64625-64793 (XM) = A-50-12
64794-64924 (XM) = A-50-12
64925-65424 (XM) = A-50-14
65425-66174 (XMR) = A-50-15
66175-66674 (XM) = A-50-16
66800-67271 (XM) = A-50-6
67272-67476 (XM) = A-50-6
67477-67986 (XM) = A-50-6
68000-68449 (XM) = A-50-5
68592-68694 (XM) = A-50-6
68655-68679 (XM) = A-50-8
68682-68979 (XM) = A-50-7
68980-69229 (XM) = A-50-9
69230-69379 (XM) = A-50-10
69380-69529 (XM) = A-50-11
69530-69554 (XMR) = A-50-12
69555-70029 (XMR) = A-50-12
70300-70599 (SM) = S-40-11
70620-70769 (SM) = S-40-11
70770-71119 (SM) = S-40-10
72643-72837 (SM) = (ex EP&SW)
73349-73798 (SM) = S-40-5
73945-74419 (SM) = S-40-8
74431-74461 (SM) = S-40-3
74531-74634 (SM) = S-40-3
74648-74739 (SM) = S-40-4
74741-74989 (SM) = S-40-4
75006-75194 (SM) = S-40-2
75205-75278 (SM) = S-40-3
75280-75321 (SM) = S-40-4
75333-75338 (SM) = S-40-4
77650-77729 (SM) = S-40-2
77751-77775 (SM) = S-40-8
77886-78490 (FM) = F-50-3?
79551-79699 (FM) = F-50-14
79700-79824 (FM) = F-70-2
79825-79954 (FM) = F-70-3
79955-80254 (FM) = F-70-5
80255-80654 (FM) = F-70-6
81082 (FM) =
81490-81989 (XM) = B-50-22
81990-82489 (XM) = B-50-21
82490-82989 (XM) = B-50-21
82990-83239 (XM) = B-50-21
83240-83739 (XM) = B-50-20
83740-84239 (XM) = B-50-20
84240-84739 (XM) = B-50-20
84961 (XM) =
85722 (XM) =
87423 (XM) =
87840 (XM) =
87936-88184 (XM) =
88185-88299 (XM) = B-50-9
88300-88307 (XM) = B-50-6
88333 (XM) = B-50-6
88542 (XM) =
89202, 89409 (XM) =
89854-90403 (GS) = G-50-18
90602-90801 (LO) = H-70-6
90802-90901 (LO) = H-70-4
91172, 91248 (HM) = H-50-1
91301-91325 (GS) =
91400-92399 (GS) = G-50-10
92400-92899 (GS) = G-50-11 (See ORER Note C1 for #s of HK types)
92900-93899 (GS) = G-50-12 (See ORER Note C2 for #s of HK types)
93900-94049 (GB) = G-50-13
94050-94064 (GB) =
94075-94249 (GB) =
94250-94264 (GB) = G-70-2
94265-94304 (GB) = G-70-4
94305-94404 (LO) = H-70-4
94500-95199 (GS) = G-50-15
95200-95499 (GS) = G-50-16
95520-95863 (XM) = B-50-23
96220-97619 (XM) = B-50-23
97620-98069 (XM) = B-50-24
98120-98269 (FL) =
98280-98379 (FL) =
98380-98599 (FL) =
98603-98697 (FL) =
98700-98974 (FL) =
98975-98999 (FL) =
99000-99499 (FL) =
99500-99999 (FL) =
100000-102099 (XM) = B-50-27
102100-103599 (XM) = B-50-28
103600-104099 (XM) = B-50-29
104100-105099 (XM) = B-50-28
105100-105599 (XM) = B-50-28
105600-107099 (XM) = B-50-31
107100-107699 (XM) =
107700-109099 (XM) =
109100-110099 (XM) = B-50-30
140000-140499 (FM) = F-50-16
140500-142549 (FM) = F-70-7
142550-143549 (FM) = F-70-10
150000-150999 (GS) = G-50-23
151000-152649 (GS) = G-50-22
152650-153099 (GS) = G-50-27
160000-160099 (GB) = G-70-6
160100-160149 (GB) = G-70-8
160500-160549 (GB) = G-70-7
160550-160649 (GB) = G-70-9
160650-161049 (GB) = G-50-25
161050-161399 (GB) = G-50-26
165000-165174 (LO) = H-70-8
168000-168099 (MWB) = H-70-7
168100-168599 (MWB) = H-70-9
190000-190499 (XMR) = A-50-17
192000-192499 (XM) = A-50-17
192500-192999 (XM) = A-50-17

TEXAS & NEW ORLEANS (SP)
3000-3311 (XM) = B-30-?
3900-3974 (LO) = H-70-8
3997-3999 (LO) = H-50-3
4000-4049 (LO) = H-70-4
4050-4199 (LO) = H-70-6
4200-4449 (HT) = H-70-5
6075-6099 (SM) = renum. from??
9000-9149 (LP) = P-50-1
11564 (XM) = B-50-4
12040 (XM) = B-50-6
14209 (SM) = S-40-2
15000-16099 (SM) = S-40-8
17050-17088 (TM) = (ex SA&AP)
17091 (TM) = O-50-?
17097 (TM) = O-50-?
17660 (TM) = O-50-?
17750-17949 (TM) = O-50-5
17986-18285 (TM) = O-50-7
19000 (FM) = F-125-2
19700-19999 (FM) = F-50-??
20600-22099 (FM) = F-40-2
22100-22349 (FM) = F-50-4
22350-22649 (FM) = F-40-?
22650-22724 (FM) = F-40-?
23000-23499 (FM) = F-40-?
23500-23699 (FM) = F-40-?
23700-24499 (FM) = F-40-?
24500-24549 (FM) = F-50-14
24550-24649 (FM) = F-70-6
24650-24749 (FM) = F-50-16
34360-35459 (XM) = B-50-6
36143 (XM) = B-40-5
36210-36509 (XM) = B-50-15
37543 (XM) = B-50-6
39660-39959 (XM) = A-50-6
39960-39984 (XM) = (ex SA&AP)
41500-41749 (MWB) =
41750-42249 (GB) = G-50-8
42250-42449 (GB) = G-50-9
42450-42649 (GB) = G-50-17
42650-42849 (GB) = G-50-19
43000-43099 (GB) = G-70-1
43100-43149 (GB) = G-70-3
43150-43249 (GB) = G-70-5
43250-43349 (GB) = G-70-10
43500-43549 (GB) = G-70-x?
44000-44024 (GB) = G-50-14
44100-44599 (GB) = G-50-10?
45200-45449 (GB) = G-50-x?
45460 (GB) = G-50-x?
45465 (GB) = G-50-x?
45621 (GB) = G-50-x?
46300-46999 (GB) = G-50-21
47000-48499 (GB) = G-50-24
50227 (XM) = B-40-6
50675, 50966 (XM) = B-40-6
51250-52249 (XM) = B-50-13
52251 (XM) = B-40-7
52260-52759 (XM) = B-50-14
52760-53059 (XM) = B-50-14
53060-53559 (XM) = B-50-15
53560-54059 (XM) = B-50-16
54100-54849 (XM) = B-50-21
54850-55699 (XM) = B-50-25
55700-57199 (XM) = B-50-26
58000-58199 (XM) = A-50-7
58200-58399 (XM) = A-50-8
58400-58462 (XM) = A-50-6
58500-59749 (XM) = B-50-27
59750-60249 (XM) = B-50-28
60250-61249 (XM) = B-50-28
61250-62249 (XM) = B-50-32
62169 ! (SM) = S-40-5
62284 (SM) = S-40-5

VIRGINIAN
921-930 (LP) =
931-940 (LP) =
942-950 (FM) =
1000-3199 (HM) = H-3
3300-3670 (HM) = H-7
3800, 3801 (LO) =
3925-3964 (HK) =
4000-4468 (GB) =
6000-6999 (HT) = H-4A
7000-7499 (HT) = H-5
8000-10399 (HM) = H-8
11000-13499 (HM) = H-6/H-6B
13500-14099 (HM) = H-6A/H-6C
15000-15999 (HM) = H-8A
19000-21024 (GT) = G-4 (20499=G-4A?) (19529=G-4C) -- subcats?
22000-22099 (GB) = G-5
23000 (HM) = H-12S
23001-23999 (HM) = H-12
24000-24499 (HM) = H-12
25000-25499 (HM) = H-13
25500-25999 (HM) = H-13A
28000-28499 (HM) = H-13B
29000-29599 (HM) = H-13C
29600-29999 (HM) = H-13D
30000-30499 (GB) =
61500-61549 (XM) = BX-10c
61550 (XM) = BX-13
62000-62024 (XAR) = AX-1
63000-63099 (XM) = BX-12
63100-63399 (XM) = BX-15

UNION PACIFIC
1-100 (LO) =
101-499 (LO) =
500-999 (LO) =
2900-2919 (HMA) =
4000-4099 (TM) =
4109-4208 (TM) =
4209-4408 (TM) =
4409-4658 (TM) =
4659-4908 (TM) =
4925-4949 (TA) =
4950-4969 (TA) =
4970 (TA) =
5722, 5728 (FMS) =
6000-7949 (HT) = H-70-1
10300-10999 (XM) = B-50-2
11000-12499 (XM) = B-50-4
13432 (XM) = B-50-4
13698-15847 (XM) = B-50-6
17246-17738 (XM) = B-50-2
18039 (XM) =
18496-19891 (XM) = B-50-6
20694 (GS) = G-50-5
20950-21949 (GS) = G-50-6
22250-22499 (GB) = NCS
22500-22999 (GB) =
24786 (GB) =
26986 (GA) = G-50-2
28500-28999 (GB) =
29000-29199 (GB) =
32189 (HM) = H-50-1
32220-33219 (HMA) = H-50-5
35576 (SC) =
36357 (SC) = S-40-2
36752-38149 (SC) = S-40-4
39000-39349 (SM) = S-40-10
39350-39398 (SC) =
39400-39420 (SM) = S-40-11
40278 (SC) = S-40-3
40399-40548 (SC) = S-40-4
41000-41999 (SC) =
44810-45759 (SC) = S-40-14
45760-46759 (SC) = S-40-6
46800-46999 (SA) = S-40-12
47000-47124 (SM) =
47200-47319 (SA) =
47320 (SM) =
47400-47699 (SA) =
47700-47999 (SA) =
48000-48799 (SA) =
48800-48999 (SM) =
49000-49049 (SM) = S-40-10
49100-49415 (SM) = S-40-10
49416 (SC) = S-40-10
49417-49599 (SM) = S-40-10
49700-49720 (SM) =
50000-50149 (FM) = F-50-2
50150-50329 (FM) = F-50-4
50330-50580 (FM) = F-50-2
50581-50598 (FM) =
51000-51499 (FM) = F-50-12 (F-50-15?)
52000-52199 (FM) = F-50-1
53824-53872 (FM) = NCS
54001-54199 (FM) = NCS
54200-54650 (FM) = F-50-2
54651-54805 (FM) = F-50-4
54806-55305 (FM) = F-50-4
55306-55805 (FM) = F-50-5
55806-56305 (FM) = F-50-7
56400-56699 (FM) = F-50-9
56700-56999 (FM) = F-50-10
57000-57299 (FM) = F-50-11
58000-58099 (FM) = NCS
58100-58164 (FM) = F-50-2
59800-59899 (FM) = F-40-2
60000-60199 (GS) = G-50-14
62000-63999 (GS) = G-50-7
64000-64999 (GS) =
65000-66799 (GS) =
69000-69199 (TM) = O-50-6
69598 (TM) = O-50-2
70000-72849 (XM) = B-50-2
72850-72876 (XM) =
72877-73326 (XM) = B-50-4
75000-75397 (XM) = B-50-28
75596 (XM) = B-50-29
77000-79500 (XM) = B-50-6
84766 (GRA) = W-50-4
85000-85499 (HK) = BA-50-2
85500-85999 (HK) = BA-50-1
86000-86999 (HK) = BA-50-3
87000-87999 (HK) = BA-50-4
88000-88899 (HK) =
88900-88999 (HK) =
90000-90999 (HK) =
91500-91544 (MWD) = NCS
96000-96999 (GB) = NCS
98000-98049 (GB) = G-70-1
99500-99999 (GB) = G-50-9
100000-101599 (XM) = B-50-40
101600-105099 (XM) =
105100-106099 (XM) =
121999 (XM) = (ARA DS)
135000-138525 (XM) = B-50-11
149000-149029 (XMP) =
150001-151000 (XM) = A-50-6
151001-152000 (XM) = A-50-12
152001-152500 (XM) = A-50-12
152528 (XM) =
154200-154399 (XM) = A-50-15
161000-161099 (XM) = A-50-14
161100-161199 (XM) = A-50-15
161200-161449 (XM) = A-50-17
169000-169198 (XM) = A-50-4
171000-171499 (XM) = A-50-5
171500-171750 (XM) = A-50-7
173000-173750 (XM) =
175000-175399 (XM) = A-40-1
176000-176499 (XM) = A-50-12
176500-176599 (XM) =
177000-177387 (XM) = A-50-6
180000-182346 (XM) = B-50-17
182500 (XM) = B-50-18
182812-183999 (XM) = B-50-19
184000-185899 (XM) = B-50-21
185900-185949 (XM) = B-50-22
185950-185999 (XM) = B-50-23
186000-186024 (XM) = B-50-34
186025-186049 (XM) = B-50-35
187000-188199 (XM) = B-50-24
188300-188999 (XM) = B-50-24
189000-189299 (XM) = B-50-27
189400-189899 (XM) = B-50-27
190000-190699 (XM) = B-50-27
191000-192999 (XM) = B-50-32
193000-193748 (XM) = B-50-33
195000-195596 (XM) =
196000-196999 (XM) = B-50-38
197000-198999 (XM) = B-50-39
201083 (XM) = NCS
254200-254399 (XML) = A-50-15
261000-261099 (XMP) =
261200-261449 (XMP) =
271000-271749 (XAP) =
273000-273750 (XAP) =
280000-282346 (XAP) =
300000-300099 (XM) = B-50-11
302449 (XM) =
303752 (XM) =
305160 (XM) =
307000-308199 (XM) =
340000-340499 (XMP) = B-50-20
340500-340886 (XMP) = B-50-20
350000-350499 (XM) = B-50-20
350500-350885 (XM) =
350886 (XM) =
351000-351098 (XM) = B-50-26
351200-351706 (XM) = B-50-26
354000-354004 (XML) =
354261 (XAP) =
373000-373750 (XAP) =
450597 (XM) = A-50-6
454000-454099 (XMR) = A-50-14
454400-454799 (XMR) = A-50-15
455500-455999 (XMR) = A-50-16?
470000-470498 (XM) = A-50-2
470499-470750 (XM) =
471000-471750 (XMR) = A-50-7
472027 (XMR) =
474000-474499 (XMR) = A-50-16
474500-474749 (XMR) = A-50-7
475000-475499 (XMR) =
501000-501199 (XME) =
502000-502043 (XME) =
504000-504799 (XME) =
505000-505799 (XME) =
511000-511199 (XME) =
514100-514399 (XME) =
524000-524199 (XME) =
524200-524399 (XME) =
534100-534399 (XME) =
541100-541399 (XAP) =
554000-554099 (XML) =
554200-554299 (XML) =
554300-554399 (XML) = A-50-15
555100-555114 (XML) =
555200-555308 (XML) =
562000-562199 (XMP) =
563000-563199 (XMP) =
564000-564199 (XMP) =
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NYC USRA steel boxcars

Tony Higgins
 

I am building a Westerfield kit for one of these cars and found an
article on them by Richard Hendrickson in a recent issue of Railmodel
Journal. Two questions came to mind: First, the article mentions that
many (all?) were rebuilt with Murphy panel roofs in the '40's. I
checked Westerfield's website and didn't see a kit version with this
configuration offered. Could I just use a generic roof from a '37 AAR
standard boxcar (with the understanding that I may have to resize it a
bit)? Second, in the banner to the article, outside the main text,
there is mention of IM kits for this car being offered by "Sun Models".
I did a search in Yahoo and found no reference to them. Does anyone
know of and have contact information for Sun Models? I need a few more
of these cars...
Thanks in advance!

Tony Higgins


Re: Bob's Phots at Naperville?

Dennis Storzek
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Brian Leppert" <b.leppert@...> wrote:

Bob sells out of his hotel room. Anyone going to just the Prototype
Trade
Show can find his room # on Sunshine's bulletin board in the hotel
lobby.

Brian Leppert
Carson City, NV

Thanx guys.

Dennis


Re: Car travel

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

On Oct 17, 2007, at 1:37 AM, Russ Strodtz wrote:
Tony,
Documentary evidence suggests otherwise.
Care to provide any?

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Car travel

Rob Kirkham <rdkirkham@...>
 

I wonder if the war emergency from the end of 1941 to late 1945 was a basis for relaxing/ignoring the "tax" rule affecting movement of cars between the USA & Canada (and Mexico?) during those years. Certainly all sorts of work-arounds were developed for other purposes - such as hand pushing US planes across the border into Canada to avoid putting the US into the war before the end of '41. But I've never seen anything on this sort of approach to railway equipment.

Rob Kirkham

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bruce Smith" <smithbf@auburn.edu>
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 5:44 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Car travel


Tony said:
Like every other kind of accounting, including per diem: clerks
with pencils. Well, sometimes even with typewriters. Those clerks just
issued MT waybills back to Canada.
Russ replied
Tony,

Documentary evidence suggests otherwise.

Russ
Russ,

Documentary evidence shows that car clerks used something other than
pencils and typewriters to route cars back to Canada? <G> (OK, maybe
we should add in telephone and telegraph in some cases)

Now, if you meant to imply that documentary evidence shows that
Canadian owned cars WERE used to ship between domestic US points,
neither Tony nor I implied that to be false. You'll note that I said
"They could not, IN GENERAL (emphasis added), travel between points
in the US with domestic lading." That does not mean that they
absolutely could not, nor does it mean that folks like Larry Jackman
weren't willing to break those rules when they needed a car! Nor
does it mean that Tony's comment on the method of enforcement of
these rules, in direct answer to your question, was incorrect.
Indeed, based on that method of enforcement, you can see how a few
cars might have slipped through...

As I understand it, the rule on domestic US use of Canadian cars had
to do with taxes. If a Canadian car was in service within the US,
then the railroad needed to pay a tax on the car as the car itself
was considered to be an imported good.

The bottom line is that Canadian cars on US roads should be
considered to be either in transit to or from Canada unless direct
evidence to the contrary is available, and that they were represented
at very reduced proportions within the total US population of cars.

Regards
Bruce

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Re: Bob's Phots at Naperville?

Brian Leppert <b.leppert@...>
 

Bob sells out of his hotel room. Anyone going to just the Prototype Trade Show can find his room # on Sunshine's bulletin board in the hotel lobby.

Brian Leppert
Carson City, NV

----- Original Message -----
From: "jim_mischke" <jmischke@worldnet.att.net>
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 8:05 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Bob's Phots at Naperville?



I saw Bob at Timonium this weekend. He will be at Naperville. He
wouldn't miss it for the world. He'll bring all his freight car
photo stock.

Good hunting to you. :)


Re: Bob's Phots at Naperville?

jim_mischke <jmischke@...>
 

I saw Bob at Timonium this weekend. He will be at Naperville. He
wouldn't miss it for the world. He'll bring all his freight car
photo stock.

Good hunting to you. :)

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Dennis Storzek <destorzek@...> wrote:

Quick question. Is Bob's Photos scheduled to be at Naperville?

Thanks,

Dennis
Dennis Storzek
Big Rock, IL


Re: Car travel

destron@...
 

So, from this discussion and one I found in the archive, I'm concluding
that I can safely have a couple of Canadian cars in my rolling stock park,
and on occasion have them 'slip' into local service (like Larry Jackman
just mentioned, and like one of the messages on the subject in the
archives mentioned a Canadian car in NC loaded with sawdust for shipment
to eastern NC). I would echo Michael Bishop's question on Mexican cars,
though. Would an assumption similar to Canadian cars be valid? (PGE
reefers loaded with sockeye salmon from the BC coast and cars from Mexico
loaded with tequila?)

Frank Valoczy
Vancouver, BC

Tony said:
Like every other kind of accounting, including per diem: clerks
with pencils. Well, sometimes even with typewriters. Those clerks just
issued MT waybills back to Canada.
Russ replied
Tony,

Documentary evidence suggests otherwise.

Russ
Russ,

Documentary evidence shows that car clerks used something other than
pencils and typewriters to route cars back to Canada? <G> (OK, maybe
we should add in telephone and telegraph in some cases)

Now, if you meant to imply that documentary evidence shows that
Canadian owned cars WERE used to ship between domestic US points,
neither Tony nor I implied that to be false. You'll note that I said
"They could not, IN GENERAL (emphasis added), travel between points
in the US with domestic lading." That does not mean that they
absolutely could not, nor does it mean that folks like Larry Jackman
weren't willing to break those rules when they needed a car! Nor
does it mean that Tony's comment on the method of enforcement of
these rules, in direct answer to your question, was incorrect.
Indeed, based on that method of enforcement, you can see how a few
cars might have slipped through...

As I understand it, the rule on domestic US use of Canadian cars had
to do with taxes. If a Canadian car was in service within the US,
then the railroad needed to pay a tax on the car as the car itself
was considered to be an imported good.

The bottom line is that Canadian cars on US roads should be
considered to be either in transit to or from Canada unless direct
evidence to the contrary is available, and that they were represented
at very reduced proportions within the total US population of cars.

Regards
Bruce

Bruce F. Smith
Auburn, AL
http://www.vetmed.auburn.edu/index.pl/bruce_f._smith2

"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."
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Re: Car travel

Robert <riverob@...>
 

Russ nln,

Documentary evidence suggests what otherwise? That clerks did not
use pencils or typewriters? That they didn't issue MT waybills back
to Canada? Can you explain?

Rob Simpson


--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Russ Strodtz" <railfreightcars@...>
wrote:

Tony,

Documentary evidence suggests otherwise.

Russ
----- Original Message -----
From: "Anthony Thompson" <thompson@signaturepress.com>
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, 17 October, 2007 02:00
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Car travel

Russ Strodtz wrote:
Interesting rule. How was it enforced before the days of computer
systems?
Like every other kind of accounting, including per diem: clerks
with pencils. Well, sometimes even with typewriters. Those clerks
just issued MT waybills back to Canada.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail,
thompson@signaturepress.com


Bob's Phots at Naperville?

Dennis Storzek
 

Quick question. Is Bob's Photos scheduled to be at Naperville?

Thanks,

Dennis
Dennis Storzek
Big Rock, IL


Re: Car travel

Bruce Smith
 

Tony said:
Like every other kind of accounting, including per diem: clerks
with pencils. Well, sometimes even with typewriters. Those clerks just
issued MT waybills back to Canada.
Russ replied
Tony,

Documentary evidence suggests otherwise.

Russ
Russ,

Documentary evidence shows that car clerks used something other than pencils and typewriters to route cars back to Canada? <G> (OK, maybe we should add in telephone and telegraph in some cases)

Now, if you meant to imply that documentary evidence shows that Canadian owned cars WERE used to ship between domestic US points, neither Tony nor I implied that to be false. You'll note that I said "They could not, IN GENERAL (emphasis added), travel between points in the US with domestic lading." That does not mean that they absolutely could not, nor does it mean that folks like Larry Jackman weren't willing to break those rules when they needed a car! Nor does it mean that Tony's comment on the method of enforcement of these rules, in direct answer to your question, was incorrect. Indeed, based on that method of enforcement, you can see how a few cars might have slipped through...

As I understand it, the rule on domestic US use of Canadian cars had to do with taxes. If a Canadian car was in service within the US, then the railroad needed to pay a tax on the car as the car itself was considered to be an imported good.

The bottom line is that Canadian cars on US roads should be considered to be either in transit to or from Canada unless direct evidence to the contrary is available, and that they were represented at very reduced proportions within the total US population of cars.

Regards
Bruce

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Re: Car travel

Ljack70117@...
 

During the wheat rush we did not care what was printed on the side of a box car. We used them for loading wheat.
Thank you
Larry Jackman
Boca Raton FL
ljack70117@comcast.net
I was born with nothing and
I have most of it left

On Oct 17, 2007, at 3:00 AM, Anthony Thompson wrote:

Russ Strodtz wrote:
Interesting rule. How was it enforced before the days of computer
systems?
Like every other kind of accounting, including per diem: clerks
with pencils. Well, sometimes even with typewriters. Those clerks just
issued MT waybills back to Canada.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history




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Re: Car travel

Russ Strodtz <railfreightcars@...>
 

Tony,

Documentary evidence suggests otherwise.

Russ

----- Original Message -----
From: "Anthony Thompson" <thompson@signaturepress.com>
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, 17 October, 2007 02:00
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Car travel


Russ Strodtz wrote:
Interesting rule. How was it enforced before the days of computer systems?
Like every other kind of accounting, including per diem: clerks with pencils. Well, sometimes even with typewriters. Those clerks just issued MT waybills back to Canada.
Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com

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