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Re: R 40-10{BAR}

Roger Hinman <rhinman@...>
 

I believe it went back as far as the early 50s when BAR changed their
reefer strategy. Their management concluded that
MDT would be unable to meet the seasonal demands and BAR purchased a
large lot of AFE'd wood cars from MDT
and laid in orders with PC&F for new equipment. Part of the
management justification for this was the cars could be used off-line
in the off-season.
The summer of 1952 would probably be the first season this was
evident. Whether PFE was a partner this far back I can
not ascertain. The wood reefers didn't last past the 50s, pretty good
since MDT was ready to scrap them before BAR stepped in.


FYI, I have quite a bit of the data on what MDT cars that went to BAR
but haven't had the time to put it all together. Possibly a future
candidate for one of the RPM meets

Roger Hinman

On Oct 19, 2007, at 12:52 PM, timboconnor@comcast.net wrote:


High on my "wish list" of accurate ROSTERS is an accounting of all of
the BAR ice reefers -- new and second hand. There is conflicting data
from different published sources so I'd love to have an accurate
list. I
agree that publications have reported some of them to be ex-PFE, but
it would be nice to know if that is really true. :-)

The reason for my interest in BAR is that in the off-season for BAR
lots
of BAR reefers (wood & steel) could be found in California, helping
the
PFE with the harvest rush. This was true in the 1960's but I don't
know
how far back the practice went.

Tim O'Connor

-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Scott Pitzer" <scottp459@earthlink.net>
According to "Northern New England Color Guide," some second-hand
PFE
cars went to BAR in the mid-60s (beyond the era of this list.)
Pages 19-20... some R-40-10, some R-40-14 apparently.

Scott Pitzer


Re: MAINE ''SPUD'' CARS( BAR/MEC ) & NH

Martin McGuirk <mjmcguirk@...>
 

All,

Don't confuse the B&As earlier cars -- including the 40-footers with the plug doors that were painted red, white, and blue, when delivered with any of the later cars. Although a number of companies have painted cars for the B&A in both the "shield" and SofM schemes, the resemblence between the prototypes and models are often cursory at best. I know someone, years ago, made a resin kit for the SoM cars (I believe it was F&C, perhaps for the NH group) that included many of the key components needed to accurately model these cars, including the charcoal heaters used to keep the inside of the "reefer" from getting too cold and freezing the produce.

Rich, the New Haven never had any cars "assigned to State of Maine" service. The NH tacked an order for their cars onto the B&As, and when they learned the builder would charge more to paint the cars in any scheme other than the red, white, and blue one the NH opted to use that paint scheme. But the NH cars were never assigned to the B&A in any way.

I've hear for years about the "B&A reefers running in the off season" out in California but have never seen a lot of photographic evidence of B&A cars in service out West. Surely, someone would have spent a frame or two on a red, white, and blue car in a sea of reefer yellow and orange??????

Marty


Re: Back to Car Classes...

al_brown03
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, destron@... wrote:
Hi Frank,

What I called the "AAR code" was the first two or three letters (the
upper-case letters) of a Reading car class. This was an internal
Reading classification, and theoretically it could be anything the
company wanted. On the Reading it was usually the car's official AAR
mechanical designation, but not always; the CNJ system was similar.

Most class systems had some commonality with the AAR codes, but often
not very much. Most roads used "X" for box cars, but SAL used "B".
The classes of Pennsy's older hoppers start with "G" for gondola;
they switched to "H" well into the steel era. And then there were
phosphate hoppers, whose owners classified them differently from
cement hoppers although the AAR didn't.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.



Thank you, Al.

In looking through this I notice that the railway called a given
car one
thing (by 'AAR code'), where sometimes the ORER differs in what it
calls
it. As I understand it, the railways sent their info to the
publishers of
the Register... so where did this discrepancy come from?

Frank Valoczy
Vancouver, BC

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, destron@ wrote:
A major source for Reading classes is the Morning Sun guide.

READING
1587-1589 (BR) =
1591 (BR) = BRj
&c


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Re: Modeling boxcar ends

Andy Cich <ajc5150@...>
 

-----Original Message-----
... But, when it comes to ends with inverted ribs, I'm at a loss as to how
to go about building them, and the only idea I can come up with seems rather
unfeasible, or at least would be very time consuming and aggravating to get
all the ribs even: digging/cutting them out of the sheet.



Build a negative, and then cast the end. Then add detail like rivets, nbw,
etc. to the casting.


Andy Cich


Re: Moving

Walter M. Clark
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "tbarney2004" <tbarney@...> wrote:

<SNIP> Tim, the car carrier specifically says no additional load in
the vehicles and less than a quarter tank of gas. The weight probably
isn't enough to worry about, but between southern California and
eastern Washington are several high mountain passes, and we are
talking about mid-January. If anything freezes, so be it; I'm more
concerned about getting someone who will knowingly transport a forty+
year collection of paint, including a number of small quantities of
specially mixed colors. Much of what I have is Floquil, Testors and a
smattering of Scalecoat, Model Masters, etc., so I don't think
freezing is a major worry. I'll keep reading the group's suggestions
and make a decision in mid-December, then see what happens.

Thanks to everyone for your suggestions.

Walter M. Clark
Riverside, California, soon to be Pullman, Washington

Well, unless the company handling the cars for you would have an odd
objection (which I can't really see as your collection of paint
probably can't total more than a gallon or two total) is simply box it
up carefully and put them in the cars (trunk?) to ride along that way.
The paint can't be any more hazardous than the gas in the cars' tanks
would be, and it's not like it will alter the cars weight
significantly. Depending on how quickly the cars will be moved and
you out of contact with them and the time of year, I'd think the worst
issue to be faced this way would be temperature if it gets too late in
the year and drops below freezing, particularly at night and
repeatedly over several or more days.


Tim Barney


Re: Modeling boxcar ends

Kurt Laughlin <fleeta@...>
 

----- Original Message -----
From: destron@vcn.bc.ca

Scratchbuilding the various extruded ends is, relatively speaking, not a
difficult thing (unless it's a Deco or certain NSC ends, maybe). But, when
it comes to ends with inverted ribs, I'm at a loss as to how to go about
building them, and the only idea I can come up with seems rather
unfeasible, or at least would be very time consuming and aggravating to
get all the ribs even: digging/cutting them out of the sheet.

Would anyone be able to give some suggestions as to how to approach this
problem? I'd buy them, were they available in TT scale, but they aren't...

----- Original Message -----

Make a male pattern of the depressions and vacuum-form the ends out of plastic. PEEK is very good for this application, but IIRC others work fine, too. (I bought .010 PEEK for vac-forming, but I was considering it for clear aircraft canopies. I forget whether PEEK is the best plastic for vac-forming, or just the best *clear* plastic.)

Make a male mold and cast a pattern. Use this to make conventional RTV/resin molds and parts.

Grind the correct profile into milling cutter, mount some suitable material in your horizontal milling machine, and have at it.

KL


Modeling boxcar ends

destron@...
 

Scratchbuilding the various extruded ends is, relatively speaking, not a
difficult thing (unless it's a Deco or certain NSC ends, maybe). But, when
it comes to ends with inverted ribs, I'm at a loss as to how to go about
building them, and the only idea I can come up with seems rather
unfeasible, or at least would be very time consuming and aggravating to
get all the ribs even: digging/cutting them out of the sheet.

Would anyone be able to give some suggestions as to how to approach this
problem? I'd buy them, were they available in TT scale, but they aren't...

Frank Valoczy
Vancouver, BC

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Re: SP Box Car 133000

Tim O'Connor
 

Bob, it's an SP BE-50-24, basically the same as the Overnight
box cars except that it was equipped for passenger service.
Originally SP 5700-5749 built in 1946 by Mt Vernon. Sunshine
produced a model of this car. After 1956 some cars received
new numbers 133000-133018 (from a pre-1960 SP roster). There's
a 1974 photo of 133015 in Classic Freight Cars Volume 7, still
on its high speed trucks. Originally the cars were Dark Olive,
and some later received two-tone gray paint.

At 10/19/2007 09:44 PM Friday, you wrote:
The image link below to the Southern Pacific box car (SP 133000, an XM
car) shows this car appears to have high speed trucks.

http://www.railcarphotos.com/PhotoDetails.php?PhotoID=26217

Anyone know the background on this car or series of cars?

Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA


Re: Back to Car Classes...

destron@...
 

Thank you, Al.

In looking through this I notice that the railway called a given car one
thing (by 'AAR code'), where sometimes the ORER differs in what it calls
it. As I understand it, the railways sent their info to the publishers of
the Register... so where did this discrepancy come from?

Frank Valoczy
Vancouver, BC

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, destron@... wrote:
A major source for Reading classes is the Morning Sun guide.

READING
1587-1589 (BR) =
1591 (BR) = BRj
&c


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SP Box Car 133000

Bob Chaparro <thecitrusbelt@...>
 

The image link below to the Southern Pacific box car (SP 133000, an XM
car) shows this car appears to have high speed trucks.

http://www.railcarphotos.com/PhotoDetails.php?PhotoID=26217

Anyone know the background on this car or series of cars?

Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA


60250-60499 Series 52' Flatcar - Build Date 1936

Jay Bingham <j.bingham@...>
 

I have completed building four of the above series cars from the
Northern Specific kit, except that I have not added trucks or brake
wheels. Could someone advise as to the prototype truck and the
prototype style of brake wheel.

Thanks

Jay Bingham
Pacific Palisades, CA


Re: Concerning car travel" including strays" (hoppers)

George Courtney
 

It would seem more likely an Interstate car in New Jersey. The
Interstate complained of the B&O not promptly returning their
(Interstate)hoppers. Just guessing that the Interstate cars came up
the N&W to Columbus, Ohio and went on for unloading in Toledo docks
off the B&O.
From Toledo down to West Virginia for reloading then off to a
customer in New Jersey. Then back to the Interstate. The Interstate
complaints are documented, the rest conjecture.
George Courtney


Re: B&LE hopper trucks

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Oct 19, 2007, at 11:53 AM, bud9351 wrote:

Hi once again,
A friend mentioned wanting a few B&LE offset triple hoppers, the
proper class for which I don't know but I do know that in S scale the
Am Flyer plastic car was a reasonable approximation despite its
obvious shortcomings, it did have the correct number of side braces.
We talked about the unusual trucks having outside as well as inside
brake rigging, perhaps due to the cars' often use for iron ore
hauling? Wondering if any of our HO cohorts have ever attempted to
build these trucks or are they made by anyone in that scale? They
somewhat resemble the typical roller bearing sideframe but having
standard journals, and those extended sideframe ends to accommodate
the outside rigging.
Bud, I modeled one of those cars in HO scale years ago, and I used the
RB trucks with extended sideframes but converted them to plain bearing
trucks by replacing the RB journals with plain bearing journal boxes
cut off of another pair of trucks. The slightly rough surfaces where
the cuts were made provided enough "tooth" so that the replacement
journal boxes could be firmly affixed with gap-filling CA adhesive.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: R 40-10{BAR}

michael bishop <goldrod_1@...>
 

PFE sold 75 reefers to BAR in 1964.

Michael

George Hollwedel <proto.nscale@yahoo.com> wrote:
I see the message that it was post 1960. Fogs things up a bit for me! (1953)

Anthony Thompson <thompson@signaturepress.com> wrote: George Hollwedel wrote:
I model the SP in N and have PFE R-40-10. My understanding is BAR
bought reefers from PFE in the mid to late 1950's. I think 1952 might
be too early.
I don't think so, George. PFE and BAR cooperated on sharing cars
for their respective harvest rushes, but I'm not aware of any sales to
them by PFE.

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Wiseman, Casting? - Not.

John Hitzeman
 

Keith emailed back that he has almost all of the equipment
to do brass casting - the operative word being "almost".

He suggested the following in the meantime.


Precision Scale Company? Talk to Mark Mogensen

Valley Brass & Bronze in California

K&D Casting in Texas

The Back Shop - Dave Braun

HTH -

John





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B&LE hopper trucks

Bud Rindfleisch
 

Hi once again,
A friend mentioned wanting a few B&LE offset triple hoppers, the
proper class for which I don't know but I do know that in S scale the
Am Flyer plastic car was a reasonable approximation despite its
obvious shortcomings, it did have the correct number of side braces.
We talked about the unusual trucks having outside as well as inside
brake rigging, perhaps due to the cars' often use for iron ore
hauling? Wondering if any of our HO cohorts have ever attempted to
build these trucks or are they made by anyone in that scale? They
somewhat resemble the typical roller bearing sideframe but having
standard journals, and those extended sideframe ends to accommodate
the outside rigging.
Bud Rindfleisch


Re: Car travel

Malcolm Laughlin <mlaughlinnyc@...>
 

Posted by: "Allen Rueter" The Wabash between Detroit and Buffalo, and CASO come to mind
===========

Yes for Wabash, but likely not for CASO. A car via CASO would be routed NYC, and you could not specify internal routing within NYC. I'm prettu sure there was no system whereby yard clerks looked for Canadian cars with a destination in the U.S. so they could be moved in a train via the MC rather than via the Lake Shore.

For a car routed Buffalo/WAB there was no alternative to going through Canada.


Malcolm Laughlin, Editor 617-489-4383
New England Rail Shipper Directories
19 Holden Road, Belmont, MA 02478


Re: R 40-10{BAR}

George Hollwedel
 

I see the message that it was post 1960. Fogs things up a bit for me! (1953)

Anthony Thompson <thompson@signaturepress.com> wrote: George Hollwedel wrote:
I model the SP in N and have PFE R-40-10. My understanding is BAR
bought reefers from PFE in the mid to late 1950's. I think 1952 might
be too early.
I don't think so, George. PFE and BAR cooperated on sharing cars
for their respective harvest rushes, but I'm not aware of any sales to
them by PFE.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history




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Re: MAINE ''SPUD'' CARS( BAR/MEC ) & NH

SUVCWORR@...
 

In a message dated 10/19/2007 9:01:11 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
gglennlou@aol.com writes:

Hi there,

Intermountain Railway Corporation

41799P R-40-10 Reefer kits Undec $15.50 ea
46706P R-40-10 BAR 6 diff #'s $32.95

These are one door type. Sunshine Models (out your way) has the 40'
plug-door reefers, but these are about $36 each.

MEC didn't have any reefers, except for 2 of the more modern, 60's era built

57 footers, and these were numbered 1 and 2.
What about the NH cars assigned to State of Maine Service? Were there any
such cars prior to the red, white and blue cars?

Rich Orr


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Re: R 40-10{BAR}

Tim O'Connor
 

High on my "wish list" of accurate ROSTERS is an accounting of all of
the BAR ice reefers -- new and second hand. There is conflicting data
from different published sources so I'd love to have an accurate list. I
agree that publications have reported some of them to be ex-PFE, but
it would be nice to know if that is really true. :-)

The reason for my interest in BAR is that in the off-season for BAR lots
of BAR reefers (wood & steel) could be found in California, helping the
PFE with the harvest rush. This was true in the 1960's but I don't know
how far back the practice went.

Tim O'Connor

-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Scott Pitzer" <scottp459@earthlink.net>
According to "Northern New England Color Guide," some second-hand PFE
cars went to BAR in the mid-60s (beyond the era of this list.)
Pages 19-20... some R-40-10, some R-40-14 apparently.

Scott Pitzer

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