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Re: MAINE ''SPUD'' CARS( BAR/MEC ) & NH

Roger Hinman <rhinman@...>
 

The reason there is no RW&B is none of the BAR reefers carried this
scheme, only the RBs which
probably were of little use in California traffic. This may have been
the reason the blue and white scheme with the brown spud
on the older wooden cars didn't last long but were repainted orange.
All of the new purchased cars came in the orange
scheme

Roger Hinman

On Oct 20, 2007, at 11:19 AM, Brian J Carlson wrote:

Marty wrote:
I've hear for years about the "B&A reefers running in the off
season"
out in California but have never seen a lot of photographic evidence
of B&A cars in service out West. Surely, someone would have spent a
frame or two on a red, white, and blue car in a sea of reefer yellow
and orange??????
Top photo on page 389 of the PFE book.

Brian J Carlson P.E.
Cheektowaga NY



Re: Car travel

Russ Strodtz <railfreightcars@...>
 

Chuck,

They were used on local orders. Just considered as part of the general
pool of empty 40' cars. They had no different status then any other 40'
box car. If there was a greater need somewhere else that's where they
went.

In the case of the glass plants at Streator IL they were served by more
than one road so the loads that came your way may have not been cars
you supplied. As long as they had a steady supply of empties it did not
matter to the shippers who either owned or supplied the cars. In the
case of a small elevator that only loaded about a dozen cars a week they
just took what they got.

Saw a list recently where the yard had written right on the consist provided
the Conductor what the elevators on his route had ordered. It amounted to
like 10 cars. Trouble is he was only given 3 empty box cars. Have no idea
how he set his priorities. The next day he might have 15.

Car supply was a constant ebb and flow between being short on cars to
having too many.

Russ

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Sent: Wednesday, 17 October, 2007 19:04
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Car travel


Russ,
If the cars were not returned "loaded or empty", what was their status.
Chuck Hladik




Brass Castings From Plastic

rgspemkt@...
 

Rob,

David Braun, formerly of PSC, now owns The Back Shop
and does brass investment casting from plastic masters.

He has a complete site with lots of stuff on it, but also
has a page that answers a lot of questions on the process
used to convert plastic patterns to brass castings.

It's very informative.

Go to;
http://home.onemain.com/~thebackshop/plastics.htm


I haven't been able to get it to open this afternoon,
but at about 1:00 AM this morning, it worked fine.

You can also try "googling" this;
Making Brass Parts from Plastics

K&D Castings does not have a web site that I've been able to
find, but I do have their phone number and the owners name.
I'll provide that off list.

John

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Re: DS/SS split 1945 MILW help needed

laramielarry <ostresh@...>
 

Thank you very much, Richard.

Here are the revised percentages and numbers for the Milwaukee, with
Richard Hendrickson's data included:

Sheathing type for box and auto cars, MILW, January 1945:
MILW_____%____Number
DS_____16.8%____5,393
SS_____61.5%____19,759
Steel_____21.6%____6,945
Known_____100.0%____32,097
Unknown_____0.0%____6
Total_____100.0%____32,103

Numbers for January 1945, April 1949, and July 1950:
MILW_____1945____1949_____1950
DS_____5,393____225_____71
SS_____19,759____18,000_____17,406
Steel_____6,945____13,244_____14,493
Other_____0____0_____0
Unknown_____6____1_____1
Total_____32,103____31,470_____31,971

Thanks again and best wishes,
Larry Ostresh
Laramie, Wyoming


Re: DS/SS split 1945 MILW help needed

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Oct 13, 2007, at 10:05 AM, laramielarry wrote:

There are a large number of cars in 1945 whose sheathing type is
Unknown at present, but regardless of their classification, it is
apparent that the MILW underwent a huge transition from 1945 to 1950,
slashing 99% of its DS fleet, doubling its steel fleet and trimming
over 2,300 of its SS cars. Most or all of the added steel cars were
rib-sided (7,307 minimum).

Here is a listing of most of the unknowns, all of which are described
in the ORER as "Steel Underframe".

Note that all of the dimensions in the following series are
identical; all other MILW cars with these dimensions are double
sheathed.
Road, AAR, Kind, Series, IL, IH, Door, Capy, Qty 1945, Qty 1950
MILW, XM, Box, 81482-81998, 41'0", 8'8", 5'6", 80000, 32, NA
MILW, XM, Box, 82736-83480, 41'0", 8'8", 5'6", 80000, 56, NA
MILW, XM, Box, 84000-87480, 41'0", 8'8", 5'6", 80000, 386, NA
All three series were double wood sheathed with Bettendorf underframe
and wood ends, built in 1907.

MILW, XM, Box, 206500-206500, 41'0", 8'8", 5'6", 80000, 1, NA
MILW, XM, Box, 208100-208178, 41'0", 8'8", 5'6", 80000, 52, NA
MILW, XM, Box, 208200-208862, 41'0", 8'8", 5'6", 80000, 200, 18
MILW, XM, Box, 208900-209260, 41'0", 8'8", 5'6", 80000, 0, 4
All were cars of the same design as the three series above except that
they were built as auto cars with 9'6" wide door openings and, in some
cases, wood full height-and-width A-end doors, later converted with the
end doors and auxiliary side doors either removed or secured shut.

These are also likely to be DS:
Road, AAR, Kind, Series, IL, IH, Door, Capy, Qty 1945, Qty 1950
MILW, XAB, Auto, 206200-206499, 40'9", 8'8", 10'0", 80000, 14, NA
MILW, XM, Box, 206200-206499, 40'9", 8'8", 9'0", 80000, 6, NA
MILW, XAB, Auto, 206200-206499, 40'6", 8'8", 10'0", 80000, 31, NA
MILW, XM, Box, 206200-206499, 40'6", 8'8", 9'0", 80000, 9, NA
As above but with the original 1-1/2 doors still functional. Built ca.
1909-'10.

If anyone knows whether these Unknowns are DS, SS, Steel, or
rebuilds, I would appreciate that information. Build or rebuild
dates would also be useful.
Richard Hendrickson


Re: 60250-60499 Series 52' Flatcar - Build Date 1936

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Oct 19, 2007, at 6:16 PM, Jay Bingham wrote:

I have completed building four of the above series cars from the
Northern Specific kit, except that I have not added trucks or brake
wheels. Could someone advise as to the prototype truck and the
prototype style of brake wheel.
Jay. the trucks were AAR self-aligning spring-plankless double truss
with five-spring clusters. Closest HO scale truck in appearance is the
Proto 2000 AAR truck. Hand brakes were of drop-shaft variety similar
to, if not the same as, those on the Proto 2000 flat car models.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: MAINE ''SPUD'' CARS( BAR/MEC ) & NH

Frederick Freitas <prrinvt@...>
 

Marty,

Not quite west >>Albany GA to Boston LA << LOL !!!!

Fred Freitas
who grew up watching 4-6-4T's and other steam power in Beacon Park Yard

cvsne <mjmcguirk@...> wrote:
No, I meant, and quite deliberately chose, "B&A" -- as any good New Englander will tell you!!!

"Boston & Albany", hmmm, that's one of those western railroads, isn't it?????

Marty


Re: B&LE hopper trucks

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Oct 20, 2007, at 10:38 AM, Bud Rindfleisch wrote:

Thanks again Richard! Now my next question, what did you use for the
B&LE hopper?
That's easy. In HO scale, the old Ulrich cast metal triple hopper kits
were exact replicas of the B&LE 70 and 90 ton hopper cars.

Richard Hendrickson


DS/SS split 1945-1950; IC, NP, MP

laramielarry <ostresh@...>
 

Hi Folks

Here are the DS/SS/Steel splits for box and auto cars in interchange
service on the IC, NP, and MP for January 1945, April 1949, and July
1950.


Illinois Central:
IC_____1945____1949_____1950
DS_____1,098____153_____65
SS_____9,325____9,026_____8,362
Steel_____8,745____12,465_____12,441
Unknown_____10____0_____0
Total_____19,178____21,644_____20,868


Northern Pacific:
NP_____1945____1949_____1950
DS_____11,850____7,728_____7,004
SS_____4,422____4,389_____4,378
Steel_____4,980____7,480_____8,172
Unknown_____0____0_____0
Total_____21,252____19,597_____19,554


Missouri Pacific (MP reporting marks only)
MP_____1945____1949_____1950
DS_____1,689____1,166_____1,041
SS_____11,970____11,861_____11,828
Steel_____3,581____5,156_____5,150
Unknown_____53____9_____9
Total_____17,293____18,192_____18,028

Missouri Pacific (Includes I-GN, MO-IL, MP, NOT&M, SB&M, and T&P)
MP+_____1945____1949_____1950
DS_____3,028____2,295_____2,028
SS_____16,357____16,078_____15,631
Steel_____6,530____9,716_____9,876
Unknown_____53____9_____9
Total_____25,968____28,098_____27,544


Best wishes,
Larry Ostresh
Laramie, Wyoming


Re: B&LE hopper trucks

Bud Rindfleisch
 

Thanks again Richard! Now my next question, what did you use for the B&LE hopper? The Am Flyer S car needs mucho work especially on the ends, cutting of all the cast on supports and re-doing with brass angle and channel. I won't be attempting this anytime soon, have too many irons in the fire at present. Making believeable trucks was paramout to even considering the conversion.
Bud Rindfleisch


Resin kits listed on ebay

cvsne <mjmcguirk@...>
 

I've listed a few resin freight car and caboose kits on ebay that may be of interest to the
members of this list (I will be adding more tomorrow) -- search under my seller id "cvsne"

Marty


Re: MAINE ''SPUD'' CARS( BAR/MEC ) & NH

cvsne <mjmcguirk@...>
 

No, I meant, and quite deliberately chose, "B&A" -- as any good New Englander will tell you!!!

"Boston & Albany", hmmm, that's one of those western railroads, isn't it?????

Marty


Re: Back to Car Classes... (Espee)

Richard Brennan <brennan8@...>
 

At 04:56 10/20/2007, al_brown03 wrote:
--- In STMFC@..., destron@... wrote:
Hi Frank,
<snip>
Most class systems had some commonality with the AAR codes, but often
not very much. Most roads used "X" for box cars, but SAL used "B".
The classes of Pennsy's older hoppers start with "G" for gondola;
they switched to "H" well into the steel era. And then there were
phosphate hoppers, whose owners classified them differently from
cement hoppers although the AAR didn't.

Similarly, the Southern Pacific used:
"B-" for Boxcar (AAR "X")
"C-" for Caboose (AAR "N")
"O" (as in Oil) for Tank Car (AAR "T") Shows where their business came from!
and "W" for ??? (I haven't found the answer for this one... "Work" perhaps?)

--------------------
Richard Brennan - San Leandro CA
--------------------


Re: Will this work?

Rob Kirkham <rdkirkham@...>
 

Thanks Tom and Dennis,

I'm not sure about the gon model, but have interest in lost styrene brass casting for other projects. But I think it worth observing that the Back Shop is a quirky company. I sent a homemade smoke box front casting for a steam loco there to be cast and simply never heard from them again, in spite of a few requests. I'm not alone in the experience.

I'd still like to complete that project, but have doubts about the Backshop. Still, the information about the process is very useful. So thanks,

Rob Kirkham


Re: R 40-10{BAR}

Denny Anspach <danspach@...>
 

Tim O'C. writes-
...in the off-season for BAR lots of BAR reefers (wood & steel) could be found in California, helping the PFE with the harvest rush. This was true in the 1960's but I don't know
how far back the practice went.
During the '50s (c. 1953-7) a vivid stand-out memory for me were the seemingly almost pure-BAR fruit blocks being worked eastbound across Donner Pass by struggling pushing/pulling black widow F units in late September- long and sinuous trails of colorful squealing orange cars sharply contrasted against the dark green of the pines. and the yellowing aspen.

Pretty memorable, actually (both cars and locomotives were clean!).

Denny
--
Denny S. Anspach, MD
Sacramento


Re: Wiseman, Casting? - Not.

Rob Kirkham <rdkirkham@...>
 

That helps - thanks!

Rob Kirkham

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Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 11:59 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Wiseman, Casting? - Not.



Keith emailed back that he has almost all of the equipment
to do brass casting - the operative word being "almost".

He suggested the following in the meantime.


Precision Scale Company? Talk to Mark Mogensen

Valley Brass & Bronze in California

K&D Casting in Texas

The Back Shop - Dave Braun

HTH -

John





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Re: MAINE ''SPUD'' CARS( BAR/MEC ) & NH

Tim O'Connor
 

The best photos I've seen are from a Richard Steinheimer study
of Donner Pass in the 1960's in which a bunch of BAR ice reefers
can be seen mixed in with PFE reefers on a perishables train. It
appeared in Trains magazine but I don't recall the issue date.

( B&A is Boston & Albany. BAR is Bangor & Aroostook. )

Tim O'Connor

I've hear for years about the "B&A reefers running in the off season"
out in California but have never seen a lot of photographic evidence
of B&A cars in service out West. Surely, someone would have spent a
frame or two on a red, white, and blue car in a sea of reefer yellow
and orange??????
Marty


Re: MAINE ''SPUD'' CARS( BAR/MEC ) & NH

Brian J Carlson <brian@...>
 

Marty wrote:
I've hear for years about the "B&A reefers running in the off season"
out in California but have never seen a lot of photographic evidence
of B&A cars in service out West. Surely, someone would have spent a
frame or two on a red, white, and blue car in a sea of reefer yellow
and orange??????
Top photo on page 389 of the PFE book.

Brian J Carlson P.E.
Cheektowaga NY


Re: MAINE ''SPUD'' CARS( BAR/MEC ) & NH

NHJJ4@...
 

In a message dated 10/20/2007 11:23:14 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
prrinvt@... writes:

"Boston & Albany", hmmm, that's one of those western railroads, isn't it?????
I think Boston Ma to "Albany Or. Ah er Yup a Big Class 1 RR
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Re: MAINE ''SPUD'' CARS( BAR/MEC ) & NH

Kurt Laughlin <fleeta@...>
 

Marty, throughout your message you wrote "B&A". You mean "BAR", right?

KL

----- Original Message -----
From: Martin McGuirk

Don't confuse the B&As earlier cars -- including the 40-footers with the plug doors that were painted red, white, and blue, when delivered with any of the later cars. Although a number of companies have painted cars for the B&A in both the "shield" and SofM schemes, the resemblence between the prototypes and models are often cursory at best. I know someone, years ago, made a resin kit for the SoM cars (I believe it was F&C, perhaps for the NH group) that included many of the key components needed to accurately model these cars, including the charcoal heaters used to keep the inside of the "reefer" from getting too cold and freezing the produce.

Rich, the New Haven never had any cars "assigned to State of Maine" service. The NH tacked an order for their cars onto the B&As, and when they learned the builder would charge more to paint the cars in any scheme other than the red, white, and blue one the NH opted to use that paint scheme. But the NH cars were never assigned to the B&A in any way.

I've hear for years about the "B&A reefers running in the off season" out in California but have never seen a lot of photographic evidence of B&A cars in service out West. Surely, someone would have spent a frame or two on a red, white, and blue car in a sea of reefer yellow and orange??????

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