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Re: Another truck question

WaltGCox@...
 

Thanks to Jack and Bob for answering the Original posting. Bob's book looks
like one I could use as I'm into the movement of coal. It appears from their
website that the latest issue of RMJ was Dec 2006 and that back issues only
go back to March 2002. Are they still in business? Walt





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Re: Car travel of hoppers including "strays"

Russ Strodtz <railfreightcars@...>
 

You can add glass cullet, esentially broken bottles. Also bentonite clay
but that would be large rather than small shipments.

Way beyond the time frame of this group, ties including raw, new and
used.

Russ

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In a message dated 10/26/2007 9:19:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
Carrock1998@... writes:

> Granted
> the majority of hoppers were used for coal and iron ore, but it was
> surprising how many other commodities were moved via hoppers in small
> shipments (one or a few cars).
>
>
> What other sort of commodities were shipped via hopper?
>
> Rocky Jackson
>
>

Rocks, gravel of various sizes, slag, ballast, dredging sludge, molybdium
(sp?), manganese ore, tin ore, lead ore, chromium ore, bauxite (aluminium ore)
and other additives for steel production and other metals productions.

Rich Orr


Re: Items for sale (Way Off Topic)

Dave Nelson
 

Bob Chaparro wrote:
Again, most of the items offered for sale are not related to this
group's topic. One of the items is an airplane!

Am I the only one annoyed by these postings?
No.

Dave Nelson


Re: Another truck question

Philip Marcus
 

--- In STMFC@..., WaltGCox@... wrote:


In a message dated 10/23/2007 12:33:08 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
destron@... writes:

<On p22 of the Pere Marquette Revenue Freight Cars book, the pic of
#30196
has another set of trucks I've never seen before. Does anyone who
has this
book know what these trucks are?>



Does anyone know of a resource which would clarify the differences
between
freight trucks such as Dahlman, Barber, Symington Simplex etc.,
often referred
to collectively as Bettendorf? I am particularly interested in the
best use I
can make out of my Kadee "Bettendorf" #500 trucks with added # 441
brakes,
but am also interested in what could be used to model other types
of trucks.
TIA Walt Cox



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The trucks in the PM photo could be a Vogt truck as described on page
473 of White's book of American Railroad Freight Cars.

On another subject. It was nice to see an entry from Rich Yoder. I was
beginning to think that I was the only O gager in this group.

Phil Marcus


Re: Brake Hoses

Jack Burgess <jack@...>
 

Denny...

I am working on a couple of Switchwitch Median box cars....the CB&Q X-25 and
the M-K-T box car and they have very nice brake hose and bracket details
that I haven't seen before. The brackets can be pinned to the frame (or
bottom of the ends) and the hoses are keyed to rest at the 30 degrees from
vertical that I mentioned. I'm not sure where Ted Culotta got them although
it might be Pacific Mountain Scale Shops based on the credits....

Jack Burgess
www.yosemitevalleyrr.com


Re: Another truck question

Bob Karig <karig@...>
 

I devote a chapter in my next book to the subject of trucks. There are pictures and/or drawings of each of those that you mention. The book should be out within the month. If you'd like a preview, you can visit:

http://home.earthlink.net/~coalcars/Coal_Cars.html

Bob Karig

Does anyone know of a resource which would clarify the differences between
freight trucks such as Dahlman, Barber, Symington Simplex etc., often referred
to collectively as Bettendorf? I am particularly interested in the best use I
can make out of my Kadee "Bettendorf" #500 trucks with added # 441 brakes,
but am also interested in what could be used to model other types of trucks.
TIA Walt Cox


N&W hoppers on the Erie

ed_mines
 

The Stauffer book "Erie Power" has steam era photo of a sold hopper
train consisting of PRR & NYC cars with a few N&W hoppers mixed in.

Obviously this train was carrying bituminious coal.

Ed Mines


Re: Another truck question

Jack Burgess <jack@...>
 

Richard Hendrickson had an excellent series of articles on the February and
April 1990 issues of RMJ and the December 1993 issue of RMJ. There was also
an article in the December 2003 issue of MR although not nearly as
extensive...

Jack Burgess
www.yosemitevalleyrr.com

Does anyone know of a resource which would clarify the
differences between
freight trucks such as Dahlman, Barber, Symington Simplex etc.,
often referred
to collectively as Bettendorf? I am particularly interested in
the best use I
can make out of my Kadee "Bettendorf" #500 trucks with added #
441 brakes,
but am also interested in what could be used to model other
types of trucks.
TIA Walt Cox


Re: Concerning car travel" including strays"

George Courtney
 

I remember running upon a NKP hopper in southwest Virginia on a N&W
branch back in the nineteen seventies. This was following the merger
of the two roads. Kinda limits us steam era to Alton hoppers in
Mississippi and Pere Marquette in Virginia I suppose. More?
George Courtney


Re: Another truck question

WaltGCox@...
 

In a message dated 10/23/2007 12:33:08 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
destron@... writes:

<On p22 of the Pere Marquette Revenue Freight Cars book, the pic of #30196
has another set of trucks I've never seen before. Does anyone who has this
book know what these trucks are?>



Does anyone know of a resource which would clarify the differences between
freight trucks such as Dahlman, Barber, Symington Simplex etc., often referred
to collectively as Bettendorf? I am particularly interested in the best use I
can make out of my Kadee "Bettendorf" #500 trucks with added # 441 brakes,
but am also interested in what could be used to model other types of trucks.
TIA Walt Cox



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Re: [SPAM] Re: Items for sale (Way Off Topic)

Schuyler Larrabee
 

NO.



SGL



From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro
Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 11:58 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [SPAM] [STMFC] Re: Items for sale (Way Off Topic)



Again, most of the items offered for sale are not related to this
group's topic. One of the items is an airplane!

Am I the only one annoyed by these postings?

Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA

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--- In STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> , "Rob Sarberenyi" <espeef5@...>
wrote:

I have a few items listed that may be of interest
http://stores.ebay.com/Espee-F-5

Remember to check back on Sunday or Monday as I'll be listing more
stuff.

Thanks for looking!


Rob Sarberenyi
espeef5@...


Re: Items for sale (Way Off Topic)

Bob Chaparro <thecitrusbelt@...>
 

Again, most of the items offered for sale are not related to this
group's topic. One of the items is an airplane!

Am I the only one annoyed by these postings?

Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA

===========================================

--- In STMFC@..., "Rob Sarberenyi" <espeef5@...> wrote:

I have a few items listed that may be of interest
http://stores.ebay.com/Espee-F-5

Remember to check back on Sunday or Monday as I'll be listing more
stuff.

Thanks for looking!


Rob Sarberenyi
espeef5@...


Items for sale

Rob Sarberenyi <espeef5@...>
 

I have a few items listed that may be of interest
http://stores.ebay.com/Espee-F-5

Remember to check back on Sunday or Monday as I'll be listing more stuff.

Thanks for looking!


Rob Sarberenyi
espeef5@...


Re: Car travel of hoppers including "strays"

Rich Yoder
 

I lived along the former Reading Co main line between Reading and
Harrisburg PA for 20 years. That was between 1978 and 1998. My favorite
stray was a three bay 70 ton Rio Grande hopper. It sat in a string of
empties on several occasions down the track from my house. It was part
of a fleet that served a coal fired plant on the other side of town. I
would say that car hung around for a good year before it finally
disappeared. Then there were a hand full of D&H 50 ton hoppers that
still had the wooden plaques on the side that had "D&H" on them. They
were around well into the mid Conrail years. Not too terribly out of
their territory but still unusual.

Sincerely, Rich Yoder
7 Edgedale Court
Wyomissing PA 19610-1913
610-678-2834 after 6:00PM est until 10:00PM
www.richyodermodels.com

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Mike Brock
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 7:50 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Car travel of hoppers including "strays"


The late Tim Gilbert wrote:

A hopper's operating range can be defined as the customers served by
the
mines in an area served by a "home road." If the coal was special
and in
demand such as the coal mined on the N&W, then the operating range
of an
N&W hopper could be large including going over UP's Sherman Hill in
Wyoming.
While Tim can no longer defend himself...or his point of view...I don't
think he would object if I modified his position somewhat. We know that
N&W,
C&O, Pennsy, L&N, B&O, Clinchfield and WM had direct access to the
Appalachian coal fields. While it was not economical to ship not
unusual,
bituminous coal over long distances, it was nonetheless shipped off line
in
significant amounts depending upon the RR. C&O had direct access into
the
Illinois/Ohio market so coal from mines served by the C&O could travel
on
its "home" road to much of its market. N&W, while its rails did not
reach
north of Columbus in Ohio, did serve the Great Lakes. In this case, as
ample
photos show, long strings of N&W hoppers found their way to the Great
Lakes
behind such power as Pennsy AND NYC locomotives...on their own rails.
One
can also find such hoppers on NKP tracks as is also seen in photos. L&N
hoppers also could be found in these areas. So, while only a "stray"
eastern
hopper carrying a unique product might be seen west of the Mississippi,
just
about any hopper of a RR serving the Appalachian mines could be found in
the
Midwest...often on foreign rails.

Mike Brock




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Re: Car travel of hoppers including "strays"

Ljack70117@...
 

Molybdium is pronounce Molly Be Dammed in the machine shops
Thank you
Larry Jackman
Boca Raton FL
ljack70117@...
I was born with nothing and
I have most of it left

On Oct 26, 2007, at 11:40 PM, Carrock1998@... wrote:


In a message dated 10/26/2007 10:36:59 PM Central Daylight Time,
SUVCWORR@... writes:

What other sort of commodities were shipped via hopper?

Rocky Jackson

Rocks, gravel of various sizes, slag, ballast, dredging sludge, molybdium
(sp?), manganese ore, tin ore, lead ore, chromium ore, bauxite (aluminium
ore)
and other additives for steel production and other metals productions.

Rich Orr



Wow--didn't realize there were so many---thanks for the info Rich

I know that molybdium (sp?) is a really weird spelling---there is a chemical
I put in my salt water fish tank that contains that. Didn't know though
that it was of a nature to be able to be shipped in a hopper. Guess I got an
avenue to do some more researching. Thanks again Rich.

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Re: Car travel of hoppers including "strays"

Ljack70117@...
 

When I was on the RRs the only Bauxite I ever saw was loaded in Box cars.
Thank you
Larry Jackman
Boca Raton FL
ljack70117@...
I was born with nothing and
I have most of it left

On Oct 26, 2007, at 11:36 PM, SUVCWORR@... wrote:

In a message dated 10/26/2007 9:19:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
Carrock1998@... writes:

Granted
the majority of hoppers were used for coal and iron ore, but it was
surprising how many other commodities were moved via hoppers in small
shipments (one or a few cars).


What other sort of commodities were shipped via hopper?

Rocky Jackson

Rocks, gravel of various sizes, slag, ballast, dredging sludge, molybdium
(sp?), manganese ore, tin ore, lead ore, chromium ore, bauxite (aluminium ore)
and other additives for steel production and other metals productions.

Rich Orr


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Re: [SPAM] Re: Re: Car travel of hoppers including "strays"

Schuyler Larrabee
 

In a message dated 10/26/2007 5:12:12 PM Central Daylight Time,
devans1@... writes:

Granted
the majority of hoppers were used for coal and iron ore, but it was
surprising how many other commodities were moved via hoppers in small
shipments (one or a few cars).

What other sort of commodities were shipped via hopper?

Rocky Jackson


Must . . . . .resist . . . . . bad . . . . . wordplay.

But I cannot: Rocky, they often carried . . . rock.

Crushed, broken, slab, whatever form, they carried rock.

SGL


Re: LV depressed well car

Dave and Elayne Siegfried <riverstyx@...>
 

Thanks, Al.

Dave Siegfried

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From: STMFC@...
Date: Friday, October 26, 2007 20:01:29
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] LV depressed well car

Dave - There is a photo and perhaps plans in an early cyc, probably 1912 or
1916. - Al Westerfield
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From: Dave and Elayne Siegfried
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 3:21 PM
Subject: [STMFC] LV depressed well car

I just acquired an old M. Dale Newton flat car kit, No. 33: Lehigh Valley
depressed well flat car. Does anyone know the build date or when this car
first appeared in use?

Dave Siegfried
Northeast Ohio


Re: LV depressed well car

Westerfield <westerfield@...>
 

Dave - There is a photo and perhaps plans in an early cyc, probably 1912 or 1916. - Al Westerfield

----- Original Message -----
From: Dave and Elayne Siegfried
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 3:21 PM
Subject: [STMFC] LV depressed well car


I just acquired an old M. Dale Newton flat car kit, No. 33: Lehigh Valley
depressed well flat car. Does anyone know the build date or when this car
first appeared in use?

Dave Siegfried
Northeast Ohio


Re: Car travel of hoppers including "strays"

Mike Brock <brockm@...>
 

The late Tim Gilbert wrote:

A hopper's operating range can be defined as the customers served by
the
mines in an area served by a "home road." If the coal was special
and in
demand such as the coal mined on the N&W, then the operating range
of an
N&W hopper could be large including going over UP's Sherman Hill in
Wyoming.
While Tim can no longer defend himself...or his point of view...I don't think he would object if I modified his position somewhat. We know that N&W, C&O, Pennsy, L&N, B&O, Clinchfield and WM had direct access to the Appalachian coal fields. While it was not economical to ship not unusual, bituminous coal over long distances, it was nonetheless shipped off line in significant amounts depending upon the RR. C&O had direct access into the Illinois/Ohio market so coal from mines served by the C&O could travel on its "home" road to much of its market. N&W, while its rails did not reach north of Columbus in Ohio, did serve the Great Lakes. In this case, as ample photos show, long strings of N&W hoppers found their way to the Great Lakes behind such power as Pennsy AND NYC locomotives...on their own rails. One can also find such hoppers on NKP tracks as is also seen in photos. L&N hoppers also could be found in these areas. So, while only a "stray" eastern hopper carrying a unique product might be seen west of the Mississippi, just about any hopper of a RR serving the Appalachian mines could be found in the Midwest...often on foreign rails.

Mike Brock

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