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Re: Brake Hoses Redux.

Jack Burgess
 

Jared wrote, regarding brake hoses angled to 30 degrees:

Did this only apply to freight cars? Doesn't seem like it would, but
photos of Santa Fe doodlebug M.177 at Travel Town in LA, and historical
photos of the same show the angle cocks and hoses hanging straight
down. I am not trying to be contrary here, but am just wondering.
There are several photos in Volume One of "Focus on Freight Cars" which show
the air hoses/cocks on an angle. Although I no longer have the drawing
provided by the YV brakeman who pointed this this out to me (apparently he
sent me a photocopy from a Car Builders Dictionary), the standards are
included in the 1925 Locomotive Cyclopedia (page 783) that I have. The
Cyclopedia quotes 1911 ARA standards which require that the air hose be
angled at 30 degrees and be 13" from the centerline of the coupler. The
standards also apply to passenger cars.

I wonder if the hoses were not angled on the doodlebug because it wasn't
used in interchange service and probably rarely coupled to freight cars.
Maybe the hoses were longer to compensate for hanging straight down...

Jack Burgess
www.yosemitevalleyrr.com


Re: Brake Hoses Redux.

Jared Harper <harper-brown@...>
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Denny Anspach <danspach@...> wrote:
Jack also reported the fact (new to me, although
I should have known better after all of these
years) that the angle cock is rotated 30º
clockwise on the air pipe (viewed facing the car
end),
Did this only apply to freight cars? Doesn't seem like it would, but
photos of Santa Fe doodlebug M.177 at Travel Town in LA, and historical
photos of the same show the angle cocks and hoses hanging straight
down. I am not trying to be contrary here, but am just wondering.
Jared Harper
Athens, GA


Re: [SPAM] Re: ash

Schuyler Larrabee
 

We have all heard of "cinder block," right? Well, it was made from . . .aw, you guessed it! Dang!



However, the block used in building today is NOT "cinder block." It's "concrete block." Cinders
are no longer used, first because there isn't the supply there used to be, and also because the
cinder is acidic, which is not a desirable characteristic for a building material, particularly one
often used exposed to rain.

SGL



Cinders are the particles of coal burned but not reduced to ashes.
These were what railroads used as fill/ballast (usually on secondary
track).

Ashes are the very much finer particles of combustion - don't know
what happened to them in other parts of the country, but in the
Northeast in the 50's, ashes from coal home furnaces usually ended up
on sidewalks and driveways to provide a footing on snow/ice in the
winter.

Dick

On Nov 2, 2007, at 10:46 AM, ed_mines wrote:

How was ash from burning coal discarded?

I know railroads used it as fill. Was ash collected from homeowners
for
anything but the dump? If so, how was it shipped? The ash I'm
accustomed to (from charcoal) would blow all over.

Ed


Re: new Bob's Photo address

Schuyler Larrabee
 

From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Spen Kellogg
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 9:00 AM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [STMFC] new Bob's Photo address



Anthony Thompson wrote:
I picked up a new business card from Bob at the Naperville
meeting but seem to have lost it since. Does anyone have the new
Kentucky address handy? TIA.
Tony,

The most important thing on the card is his e-mail address. You can now
e-mail him at:

bobsphoto.train@yahoo.com <mailto:bobsphoto.train%40yahoo.com>

Regards, Spen Kellogg

True enough, Spen, but at the North Shore Model Railroad Club show, Bob told me that his method of
dealing with email includes unplugging the computer from time to time. It's actually his new
helpmate who deals with the email.

SGL_


Re: ash

Richard Dermody <ddermody@...>
 

Ed:

I think you're confusing ashes and cinder.

Cinders are the particles of coal burned but not reduced to ashes. These were what railroads used as fill/ballast (usually on secondary track).

Ashes are the very much finer particles of combustion - don't know what happened to them in other parts of the country, but in the Northeast in the 50's, ashes from coal home furnaces usually ended up on sidewalks and driveways to provide a footing on snow/ice in the winter.

Dick

On Nov 2, 2007, at 10:46 AM, ed_mines wrote:

How was ash from burning coal discarded?

I know railroads used it as fill. Was ash collected from homeowners for
anything but the dump? If so, how was it shipped? The ash I'm
accustomed to (from charcoal) would blow all over.

Ed


Re: [SPAM] Re: Brake Hoses Redux, Chad Boas.

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Has anyone tried casting the Branchline Part in brass??



I have a fair share of Denny's efforts, which I will be using, but I agree that a proper bracket
would make them even more useable.



SGL

The best thing would be a brass hose w/ strap bracket cast with it.
Resin and plastic brackets (such as the beautiful Branchline parts)
are just too frail.

Tim O'Connor

-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Denny Anspach <danspach@macnexus.org <mailto:danspach%40macnexus.org> >
I am mortified that I did not mention in my last post that Chad Boas
made up several very fine resin castings of a strap type of air hose
hanger or bracket- to be of some possible use as a pattern to develop
brass replicas. I have them in my hand, and they are a significant
contribution to the mix of other bits of accumulating information and
data.
Denny
--
Denny S. Anspach, MD


Re: Fw: NPRHA - Fall East End Meet

Peter Weiglin
 

This poster failed to include the city in which this event is taking
place. I attempted to reply to him privately to avoid embarrassing
him. But my reply was directed to his spam box.

So, since he still needs to know that his message was incomplete, I'll
mention it publicly. Sorry for the intrusion.

Peter Weiglin
Amelia, OH

= = =

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, <briankd.usf.net@...> wrote:


----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 6:32 PM
Subject: NPRHA - Fall East End Meet


Please bring a model or two to display and prepare a 3 to 5 minute
talk on its history. Thank you. Mike Borkan

-----------------------------------------------



Northern Pacific Railway Historical Assn

East End Meet

Saturday, November 3, 2007 at Noon



Archives Office at the

Jackson Street Roundhouse Museum



Presentations:

Northern Pacific Iron Ore Operations

by Pat Dorin



Henry Villard

by Larry Schrenk



Immigration and the Northern Pacific

by Mike Borkan



Model Show-and-Tell




Re: Linde Boxcar tankcar decal help

Bill Darnaby
 

FWIW, I did an article on these cars, in the red paint, in Mainline some 15 or 16 years ago (don't make me look it up). While the article is incorrect in some details, particularly the number roof hatches, it did describe how I made my own lettering with striping decals and letters. Really, the lettering is a very simple diamond box with Roman lettering inside and simple SREX (or is it SERX?) reporting marks.

Bill Darnaby


Re: Linde Boxcar tankcar decal help

rockroll50401 <cepropst@...>
 

Stan's kits it is a huge diadvantage to the modeler to not have the
decals included, great models but at $30.00 they are still incomplete,
not having the decals is a pain... Add the decals and charge me
accordingly...


Greg Martin
I'm with you Greg. Stan was planning on having the decals, but as he
said Mark has a day job.

You had some photos of the CCB reefer project in the display room. It's
time for me to build that car. Are those photos in the instructions or
are they something you should email me?
Thanks,
Clark Propst


Re: Brake Hoses Redux, Chad Boas.

Tim O'Connor
 

The best thing would be a brass hose w/ strap bracket cast with it.
Resin and plastic brackets (such as the beautiful Branchline parts)
are just too frail.

Tim O'Connor

-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Denny Anspach <danspach@macnexus.org>
I am mortified that I did not mention in my last post that Chad Boas
made up several very fine resin castings of a strap type of air hose
hanger or bracket- to be of some possible use as a pattern to develop
brass replicas. I have them in my hand, and they are a significant
contribution to the mix of other bits of accumulating information and
data.
Denny
--
Denny S. Anspach, MD
Sacramento


Brake Hoses Redux, Chad Boas.

Denny Anspach <danspach@...>
 

I am mortified that I did not mention in my last post that Chad Boas made up several very fine resin castings of a strap type of air hose hanger or bracket- to be of some possible use as a pattern to develop brass replicas. I have them in my hand, and they are a significant contribution to the mix of other bits of accumulating information and data.
Denny
--
Denny S. Anspach, MD
Sacramento


Re: Linde Boxcar tankcar decal help

Greg Martin
 

Brian,



They both are... the side ladders need to have the .010-inch styrene rungs installed but that is not beyond you. As I said in Naperville to you about Stan's kits it is a huge diadvantage to the modeler to not have the decals included, great models but at $30.00 they are still incomplete, not having the decals is a pain... Add the decals and charge me accordingly...



Just my thoughts...



Greg Martin

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian J Carlson <brian@bluemoon.net>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 9:48 am
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Linde Boxcar tankcar decal help







Tim: I thought of that bu since I have no BLT Yardmaster cars on the layout,
I wasn't sure if the roof and ends were removeable.

Brian carlson

On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 15:16:51 +0000, timboconnor wrote
I think Branchline produced a 1937 Yardmaster kit decorated for
Linde. Just swap the ends and roof with Stan's, do a little color
matching, and you've got the car!

Tim O'Connor




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Re: WWII vintage vehicles [was Re: Hello again]

Philip Lord <plord@...>
 

Bob,

I had not thought of that angle (no auto production during the war) , and there are plenty of 1930s cars around by Sylvan and others.. Also, I am using the Russian Zis-5 truck by Roco as a dead ringer for the coal delivery trucks in early photos of my prototype area. They are often listed in Walthers and if lucky, you can get them on sale for $8 instead of the usual $15. Not sure which truck they duplicate, maybe a Dodge. http://www.rocotrains.ca/images/products/1270.jpg Get the ones with the canvas covered woodsided bed. The top comes off and you have a perfect vintage 1940s coal truck. But you have to get the ones with the curved fenders, not the angular military fenders they sometimes come with. I assume most of you already know this.

Phil Lord

----- Original Message -----
From: rwitt_2000
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 12:47 PM
Subject: [STMFC] WWII vintage vehicles

It seems if one models WWII one needs vehicles from the mid- to late
1930's.

Bob Witt
Indianapolis, Indiana


Re: WWII vintage vehicles [was Re: Hello again]

Jack Burgess
 

Bob wrote:
I can't say what's available for these years, but I do recall
models in HO for 1935, 1940 and 1942 Fords.

Sylvan has a lot of nice vehicles which would also be appropriate for
loading into box cars prior to the start of the war.

http://www.isp.ca/Sylvan/ho-scaleproducts.htm

Jack Burgess
www.yosemitevalleyrr.com


Re: Linde Boxcar tankcar decal help

Brian J Carlson <brian@...>
 

Tim: I thought of that bu since I have no BLT Yardmaster cars on the layout,
I wasn't sure if the roof and ends were removeable.

Brian carlson

On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 15:16:51 +0000, timboconnor wrote

I think Branchline produced a 1937 Yardmaster kit decorated for
Linde. Just swap the ends and roof with Stan's, do a little color
matching, and you've got the car!

Tim O'Connor


WWII vintage vehicles [was Re: Hello again]

rwitt_2000 <rmwitt@...>
 

Philip Lord wrote:

snip ... especially about how nobody does WWII vintage vehicles to any
great extent. <

There was no new automobile production allocated for civilian use in
WWII so the vehicles in use were those purchase and operating before
1942. The last new model year would have been 1942 introduced in the
fall of 1941.

It seems if one models WWII one needs vehicles from the mid- to late
1930's. I can't say what's available for these years, but I do recall
models in HO for 1935, 1940 and 1942 Fords. Those passenger vehicles
made for military and government use were based upon the same designs
for the 1942 model vehicles. If one does loads for freight cars these
would be the designs used.

I recall stories about how people were stuck with their cars for the
duration of the war. It helped if you had a reliable car. My dad had a
1938 Ford and it ran fine.

Bob Witt
Indianapolis, Indiana


Re: ash

pierreoliver2003 <pierre.oliver@...>
 

Ed,
Intriguing question. Given the amount of ash and clinker in my back
yard and my neighbours, it would certainly seem that alot of it was
buried in the yards.
Pierre Oliver



How was ash from burning coal discarded?

I know railroads used it as fill. Was ash collected from homeowners
for
anything but the dump? If so, how was it shipped? The ash I'm
accustomed to (from charcoal) would blow all over.

Ed


ash

ed_mines
 

How was ash from burning coal discarded?

I know railroads used it as fill. Was ash collected from homeowners for
anything but the dump? If so, how was it shipped? The ash I'm
accustomed to (from charcoal) would blow all over.

Ed


Re: Linde Boxcar tankcar decal help

Tim O'Connor
 

I think Branchline produced a 1937 Yardmaster kit decorated for Linde.
Just swap the ends and roof with Stan's, do a little color matching, and
you've got the car!

Tim O'Connor

-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "rockroll50401" <cepropst@netconx.net>
Brian, Stan told me that Mark Vaughan will make a set. I don't remember
if me told me which color scheme. May be awhile.
Clark Propst


Re: Linde Boxcar tankcar decal help

rockroll50401 <cepropst@...>
 

Brian, Stan told me that Mark Vaughan will make a set. I don't remember
if me told me which color scheme. May be awhile.
Clark Propst

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