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Re: Western Refrigerator 9000-series Lessee

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Nov 19, 2007, at 7:45 AM, Andy Laurent wrote:

These cars were used by/lease to the GB&W. WRX was a GB&W subsidiary.
In the 1960s, cars began to be leased to specific industries, but in
the time period of this list, they were in general reefer service for
GB&W customers including cheese, evap milk, potatoes, and such.
A small correction. WRX was a subsidiary of the Northwestern
Refrigerator Line, which was in turn a subsidiary of the Chicago &
Northwestern Rwy. WRX was formed for the purpose of leasing NWX-owned
reefers to the Green Bay & Western. In the 1960s ownership of the
Northwestern Refrigerator Line was acquired by the North American Car
Corp., and North American leased the NWX cars back to the C&NW.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: Western Refrigerator 9000-series Lessee

Andy Laurent <arlaurent@...>
 

Bob, I would say that car has the standard gray/freight car red WRX
scheme. Either the color on the slide has shifted, or it was dirty. A
light coating of brown dust oftentimes made the light gray sides
appear yellowish.

These cars were used by/lease to the GB&W. WRX was a GB&W subsidiary.
In the 1960s, cars began to be leased to specific industries, but in
the time period of this list, they were in general reefer service for
GB&W customers including cheese, evap milk, potatoes, and such.

Check out this link for some photos:
<http://www.greenbayroute.com/photoroster.htm#Refrig.>

Andy Laurent

--- In STMFC@..., Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:

Bob

I have pre-1960 scans of WRX 9047, 9099, both leased to GB&W.
They are b/w so I can't say what the paint scheme is, but as
far as I know, GB&W cars only had gray sides.

Tim O'Connor


At 11/18/2007 11:36 PM Sunday, you wrote:
A partial view of 40' wood reefer WRX #9048 appears in a photo
posted
on STMFC (see AC&Y ex-P&N boxcars). I had not noticed the Western
Refrigerator Lines Reefer before. The photo was taken by Ed
Kirstatter
at AC&Y's East Akron yard in 1959. Curious if there are records
for
the ca 1950's lessors of WRX 9000-series reefers... who leased WRX
#9048? No other identification is visible except the end
reporting
marks. WRX #9048 has pale yellow sides with freight car red ends
and
roof. Note Accurail and Branchline both offer WRX 9000-series
reefers
(Green Bay & Western, lessor) in a grey scheme.


Re: Atlas ICC 105 tank

Garth Groff <ggg9y@...>
 

John,

Yes, LP gas would have been a better term. My fictional Sacramento Northern Pennington Branch will include a fuel dealer, and was thinking LP gas would be an appropriate product. Mind you, I have no evidence of such cars on the SN, but it is very likely that by the late 1950s there were dealers that would have received by rail. I remember LP gas or propane being delivered by truck in northern California when I was growing up in the 1950s. Since I am concentrating on SHPX and UTLX regular tank cars, I think I will look for those road names among the Atlas 105s.

Thanks much for sharing your research.

Kind regards,


Garth G. Groff

John Hile wrote:

--- In STMFC@..., Garth Groff <ggg9y@...> wrote:

Friends,

Besides California Despatch, what other roadnames of the Atlas ICC 105 tank might have been seen in California in natural gas service?

Thanks much.


Garth,

I assumes when you said "natural gas" you meant products of natural
gas such as LPG. I have been researching California industries in an
effort to build a reasonable freight car fleet for the Santa Fe's
Valley Division late '52 to mid '53. Here is the little I have so far
on LPG cars beyond those mentioned by Richard...

The Sunray Oil Corp (SUYX) lists ICC105A300W's in the 1/53 ORER and
shows a "home point" for cars as Santa Maria, CA (Santa Maria Vy RR) The Atlas cars are SHPX and leased to Sunray, but I have not
researched these cars yet, nor determined what products originated for
Sunray at Santa Maria.

Anchor Petroleum Co (ANPX) has ICC105A300W's in the 1/53 ORER and
lists one of their home points as Gulf, CA (Sunset Ry). I still have
to determine what products Anchor produced at the Gulf, CA facility,
but significant natural gas and petroleum deposits were found in Kern
Co. See Ed's posts in response to my inquiries on these Atlas cars.
Pacific Gas Corp leased cars from Republic Tank Car Co (RTCX) and
Kaminski's ACF tank book has photos on p 174, 175 of RTCX cars leased
to Pacific, but (at a minimum) the lettering styles/schemes are
different than any of the Atlas RTCX models. One of my sources shows
Pacific with a gas field in Kern County, circa 1949.

That source (Mineral Commodities of California, 1950) lists the
largest of the 74 operating CA gas processing plants as of the close
of 1948. The LPG plants are:

Standard Oil of CA at Kettleman Hills (UTLX)
Ohio Oil Co at South Coles Levee
General Petroleum Corp at Athens
Western Gulf Oil Co at Paloma

Perhaps others on the list may know what cars (if any) the other
companies may have used.

Hope this helps,

John Hile
Blacksburg, VA








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Re: Making Model parts through Rapid Prototyping, was "Gloss coat for decalling"

Charlie Vlk
 

There certainly are major learning curve issues in both the 3D Modeling and Rapid Prototyping end of creating parts or entire
body shells.
Even in HO some degree of "toy train designer" must be included in order for the parts to "read" properly.... no point in rendering
something to exact scale if a layer of paint is going to obscure it.
There are four or more different processes for making RP parts and only two of them that we've used so far are satisfactory for
Z, N and HO sized parts.
Most tooling for commercial models is now being done in 3D although the use of RP is rather limited because of the costs involved.
3D design drawings allow viewing almost photo realistic renderings of the parts and assemblies besides generating interference
checks and sectional views for engineering analysis of designs prior to cutting tooling. Having checked 2D Shop Drawings in a
prior career and 2D Engineering Drawings for Models in my current one, it is much easier to look at 3D models to get an idea what
the finished parts will look like. It is virtually impossible to check how compound curved surfaces will look in 2D but in 3D you get
a good preview if it they are correct before tooling is started.
Charlie Vlk


Feb 23- March 3 shows in California

Rob Kirkham <rdkirkham@...>
 

I'm wondering if there are any prototype modeller type events or other worthwhil railway shows going on within a couple of hours drive of the Palm Springs area between Feb. 23 and March 3, 2008?

Rob Kirkham


Re: Intermountain FGE part

michael bishop <goldrod_1@...>
 

InterMountain Railway Company (800)472-2530 P.O. Box 839 (303)772-1901 Longmont, Colorado
80502-0839 FAX: (303)772-8534


Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote: >> I'm trying to find out how I can order Intermountain Parts.

Call them. You know, the phone. The thing we used before
we did everything by email... :-)






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Re: Western Refrigerator 9000-series Lessor ??

Tim O'Connor
 

Bob

I have pre-1960 scans of WRX 9047, 9099, both leased to GB&W.
They are b/w so I can't say what the paint scheme is, but as
far as I know, GB&W cars only had gray sides.

Tim O'Connor

At 11/18/2007 11:36 PM Sunday, you wrote:
A partial view of 40' wood reefer WRX #9048 appears in a photo posted
on STMFC (see AC&Y ex-P&N boxcars). I had not noticed the Western
Refrigerator Lines Reefer before. The photo was taken by Ed Kirstatter
at AC&Y's East Akron yard in 1959. Curious if there are records for
the ca 1950's lessors of WRX 9000-series reefers... who leased WRX
#9048? No other identification is visible except the end reporting
marks. WRX #9048 has pale yellow sides with freight car red ends and
roof. Note Accurail and Branchline both offer WRX 9000-series reefers
(Green Bay & Western, lessor) in a grey scheme.


Re: Intermountain FGE part

Glen Mills <mills.glen@...>
 

Hello Bruce,

Speak to them on the telephone on (800)472-2530 and explain your problem.

That is what I did. And achieved.

Regards,

Glen Mills
(Modelling Downunder)
Intermountain FGE part
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<smithbf@...?Subject=+Re%3AIntermountain%20FGE%20part> smithbf36832
<http://profiles.yahoo.com/smithbf36832> Sun Nov 18, 2007 7:02 pm (PST)
Folks,

I'm trying to find out how I can order Intermountain Parts. I need
several sprues of the new HO scale FGE detail parts, especially the
ladders for several FGE and Nx reefer projects. I checked their web site
and the FGE parts are not listed. Does anyone know if they are available?

Regards
Bruce

Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


Re: Intermountain FGE part

Tim O'Connor
 

I'm trying to find out how I can order Intermountain Parts.
Call them. You know, the phone. The thing we used before
we did everything by email... :-)


Re: Intermountain FGE part

michael bishop <goldrod_1@...>
 

Bruce,
Just give them a call and explain what you need. I have done this in the past and they are great to work with.

cobrapsl@... wrote:
Bruce,
?Just give them a call and they should sell to you. You need to have the kit instruction sheet in front of you so you can give them THEIR exact kit and sprue number.?

Paul Lyons
Laguna Niguel, CA

-----Original Message-----
From: Bruce Smith <smithbf@...>
To: stMFC@...
Sent: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 7:02 pm
Subject: [STMFC] Intermountain FGE part

Folks,

I'm trying to find out how I can order Intermountain Parts. I need
several sprues of the new HO scale FGE detail parts, especially the
ladders for several FGE and Nx reefer projects. I checked their web site
and the FGE parts are not listed. Does anyone know if they are available?

Regards
Bruce

Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL

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Western Refrigerator 9000-series Lessor ??

Bob Lucas
 

A partial view of 40' wood reefer WRX #9048 appears in a photo posted
on STMFC (see AC&Y ex-P&N boxcars). I had not noticed the Western
Refrigerator Lines Reefer before. The photo was taken by Ed Kirstatter
at AC&Y's East Akron yard in 1959. Curious if there are records for
the ca 1950's lessors of WRX 9000-series reefers... who leased WRX
#9048? No other identification is visible except the end reporting
marks. WRX #9048 has pale yellow sides with freight car red ends and
roof. Note Accurail and Branchline both offer WRX 9000-series reefers
(Green Bay & Western, lessor) in a grey scheme.


Re: Intermountain FGE part

Paul Lyons
 

Bruce,
?Just give them a call and they should sell to you. You need to have the kit instruction sheet in front of you so you can give them THEIR exact kit and sprue number.?

Paul Lyons
Laguna Niguel, CA

-----Original Message-----
From: Bruce Smith <smithbf@...>
To: stMFC@...
Sent: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 7:02 pm
Subject: [STMFC] Intermountain FGE part






Folks,

I'm trying to find out how I can order Intermountain Parts. I need
several sprues of the new HO scale FGE detail parts, especially the
ladders for several FGE and Nx reefer projects. I checked their web site
and the FGE parts are not listed. Does anyone know if they are available?

Regards
Bruce

Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL





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Intermountain FGE part

Bruce Smith
 

Folks,

I'm trying to find out how I can order Intermountain Parts. I need
several sprues of the new HO scale FGE detail parts, especially the
ladders for several FGE and Nx reefer projects. I checked their web site
and the FGE parts are not listed. Does anyone know if they are available?

Regards
Bruce

Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


Re: (Un?)Loading lumber in 1906 post card on eBay

rwitt_2000 <rmwitt@...>
 

David,

I looked at the post card and there is nothing to associate it with
the NYC or any other railroad. Many of these ebay dealers are just
guessing about the content of their items. There is a B&O boxcar near
the foreground (the second car from the left) so it could be on the B&O.

The boxcars appear to be from a variety of railroads. I belive it is
a "saw mill" and they are loading lumber. It almost looks like "lumber
season" where they have requested any empty boxcar available to load
lumber to move it to market.

An interesting photo.

Bob Witt

David Smith wrote:

See eBay item 150184755336 or
http://cgi.ebay.com/New-York-Central-Railroad-Train-Lumber-Yard-1906-Photo_W0QQitemZ150184755336QQihZ005QQcategoryZ29489QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem#ebayphotohosting
identified as New York Central lumber yard in 1906.
Given the rural location, it seems to me as likely that they are
loading at a sawmill as it does that they are unloading. Anyone know
anything more about this? Location? There are no clues on the postcard.


Re: Tank Car Co. names beginning with Sun.

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Piling on . . .



There could have been a repackaging of the contents in the area, and sales by retailers in smaller
quantities, could there not?

SGL



From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor
Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2007 8:02 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Tank Car Co. names beginning with Sun.




Why must there be a retailer? Large industries and transport
companies buy lube oil by the carload.

At 11/18/2007 07:49 PM Sunday, you wrote:
Tim O'Connor wrote:
Couldn't specialized lubricating products be shipped across the
country in tank cars?
Sure, but without retail outlets at the destination, why bother?

Tony Thompson


Re: Tank Car Co. names beginning with Sun.

Tim O'Connor
 

Why must there be a retailer? Large industries and transport
companies buy lube oil by the carload.

At 11/18/2007 07:49 PM Sunday, you wrote:
Tim O'Connor wrote:
Couldn't specialized lubricating products be shipped across the
country in tank cars?
Sure, but without retail outlets at the destination, why bother?

Tony Thompson


HO scale rolling stock & locos for sale

Brian J Carlson <brian@...>
 

Well the credit card bill from Naperville arrived, need to sell off some
excess inventory to pay bills. Please email me OFF LIST if interested at
brian _at_bluemoon.net. (replace _at_ with @). Remember to check the "to
address" before sending an email.

Brian J Carlson P.E.
Cheektowaga NY


Re: Tank Car Co. names beginning with Sun.

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Tim O'Connor wrote:
Couldn't specialized lubricating products be shipped across the country in tank cars?
Sure, but without retail outlets at the destination, why bother?

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Tank Car Co. names beginning with Sun.

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Lou Whiteley wrote:
The Sunset Railway Company, previously mentioned I believe, was listed under ATSF and bills were directed to the treasurer in Los Angeles.
The Sunset Railway was operated in alternate five-year periods by ATSF and SP, so how you find it listed depends on which year you look at. Certainly since 1920 it had no rolling stock of its own, to the best of my knowledge.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Tank Car Co. names beginning with Sun.

Tim O'Connor
 

Just to muddy the waters... I have a 1957 slide of SRDX 2601
in Los Angeles, lettered for "D-X Sunray Oil Co" of Tulsa OK.

I have several 1960's photos of Sunoco tank cars in Texas but
that is past the STMFC era.

Couldn't specialized lubricating products be shipped across
the country in tank cars?

Tim O'Connor

Could it be Sun Oil Company, later Sunoco?
No. because the Sun Oil Co. was entirely an east coast operation (and
later midwestern, after it acquired DX). It had no offices in Los
Angeles, no western production facilities, and no wholesale or retail
operations in the western US.

Richard Hendrickson

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