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Watch nmra.org, Regions and Divisions, Pacific Southweast Region for the coming events in the real Southwestern USA. I try to keep a list in Flagstops for the Division and Region newsletters.

Many of the PRS has outdoor events and they become active April through June and September through October to avoid rain or heat.
Lindsay


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Re: Making Model parts through Rapid Prototyping

Tom Madden <tgmadden@...>
 

--- In STMFC@..., Jack Burgess <jack@...> wrote:

Charlie Vlk wrote:

There are four or more different processes for making RP parts and
only two of them that we've used so far are satisfactory for
Z, N and HO sized parts.
Is the "printing" process being discussed one of them.....?

Jack Burgess
I haven't seen the FSM article, but the handout from my 2006 Rapid
Prototyping clinic at Naperville includes a discussion of the PolyJet
3D acrylic printing technology. The link to a pdf file of the handout
is:
http://home.att.net/~pullmanproject/RP2.pdf

Tom Madden


Re: Making Model parts through Rapid Prototyping, was "Gloss coat for decalling"

Rod Miller
 

Pacific Locomotive Works in San Jose, CA

http://www.pacificlocomotive.com/

makes custom parts using the RP process. The web page explains
the process. Of interest is that once a drawing has been made
it can be scaled to any size, thus an O scale driver drawing
is usable in any other scale (ignoring the question of whether
the printing process can replicate things like letters and
numbers in say, Z scale).

The air hose hangar bracket that was a recent thread here might
be an easy but effective place to start.

Rod

bdg1210 wrote:

Group members,
Based on this and other comments about the current issue of Fine Scale Modeler I purchased a copy to learn about using Future for a gloss decaling finish. What I found more intersting was an article about developing parts using CAD and online 3D printing to get the part delievered to your door. It appears expensive, but a great chance to get that one part you need. Has anyone used a similar process to get steam era freight car parts developed?
Regards,
Bruce D. Griffin
Summerfield, NC


Re: Western Refrigerator 9000-series Lessee

Thomas Baker
 

I can't figure this one out. What do you make of it, Clark?

Tom

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From: STMFC@... on behalf of rockroll50401
Sent: Mon 11/19/2007 1:09 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Western Refrigerator 9000-series Lessee




I have a photo taken in 1964 of a plug-door, insulated refrigerator
car in the reporting marks of the North Western Refrigerator Lines but
with a CGW so-called "Lucky Strike" emblem on the opposite side of
where the reporting marks are.

I have a similar photo (Howard Ameling?) and a couple taken later with
a fresh paint square over where the CGW emblem was.
Clark Propst




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Re: Western Refrigerator 9000-series Lessee

rockroll50401 <cepropst@...>
 

I have a photo taken in 1964 of a plug-door, insulated refrigerator
car in the reporting marks of the North Western Refrigerator Lines but
with a CGW so-called "Lucky Strike" emblem on the opposite side of
where the reporting marks are.

I have a similar photo (Howard Ameling?) and a couple taken later with
a fresh paint square over where the CGW emblem was.
Clark Propst


Re: Making Model parts through Rapid Prototyping

Jack Burgess <jack@...>
 

Charlie Vlk wrote:

There are four or more different processes for making RP parts and only two of them that we've used so far are satisfactory for
Z, N and HO sized parts.
Is the "printing" process being discussed one of them.....?

Jack Burgess
www.yosemitevalleyrr.com


Re: Intermountain FGE part

Bruce Smith
 

On Nov 18, 2007, at 11:46 PM, michael bishop wrote:

InterMountain Railway Company (800)472-2530 P.O. Box 839 (303)772-1901 Longmont, Colorado
80502-0839 FAX: (303)772-8534


Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote: >> I'm trying to find out how I can order Intermountain Parts.

Call them. You know, the phone. The thing we used before
we did everything by email... :-)
Folks,

Thanks to all who suggested this... I haven't dealt with IM directly before and did not realize that they actually 1) have a human at the other end and 2) that they believe in customer service.... I had a delightful chat with them and a bunch of parts sprues are headed my way. These will aid in the modeling of several FGE and ex-FGE reefers including a 37' NX meat reefer that I am bashing from the Accurail wood reefer (BREX) based on a challenge from Jim Singer as well as the "shake and take" Kahn's reefer from Cocoa, and the matching NX and FGE cars (which I know can be modeled from the IM kit and Sunshine resin...

Regards
Bruce

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Re: Atlas ICC 105 tank

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Nov 19, 2007, at 5:45 AM, Garth Groff wrote:

Yes, LP gas would have been a better term. My fictional Sacramento
Northern Pennington Branch will include a fuel dealer, and was
thinking
LP gas would be an appropriate product. Mind you, I have no evidence
of
such cars on the SN, but it is very likely that by the late 1950s
there
were dealers that would have received by rail. I remember LP gas or
propane being delivered by truck in northern California when I was
growing up in the 1950s. Since I am concentrating on SHPX and UTLX
regular tank cars, I think I will look for those road names among the
Atlas 105s.
LP gas rapidly became popular following World War II as a household and
industrial fuel in rural areas which were not served by natural gas
pipelines; that's why so many ICC-105s were built new in the late '40s
and early '50s. And most regional distributors received it by rail.
BTW, however, I have a photo of a California Despatch Line ICC-105
which was not in LP gas service but was used to haul anhydrous ammonia,
so not all ICC-105s carried propane and butane.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: Western Refrigerator 9000-series Lessee

Thomas Baker
 

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I just picked up on the discussion about WRX leasing and its relation to the North Western Refrigerator Lines. Perhaps someone out there can clarify something that has puzzled me for years. I have a photo taken in 1964 of a plug-door, insulated refrigerator car in the reporting marks of the North Western Refrigerator Lines but with a CGW so-called "Lucky Strike" emblem on the opposite side of where the reporting marks are.

I had no idea that the CGW leased refrigerator cars from any source other than URTX. Could this have been a painting mistake. It's hard to believe that someone in the paint shop would have made such a slip up. Nineteen sixty four is four years before the C&NW absorbed the CGW. Any explanations?

Tp,


Re: Western Refrigerator 9000-series Lessee

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Nov 19, 2007, at 7:45 AM, Andy Laurent wrote:

These cars were used by/lease to the GB&W. WRX was a GB&W subsidiary.
In the 1960s, cars began to be leased to specific industries, but in
the time period of this list, they were in general reefer service for
GB&W customers including cheese, evap milk, potatoes, and such.
A small correction. WRX was a subsidiary of the Northwestern
Refrigerator Line, which was in turn a subsidiary of the Chicago &
Northwestern Rwy. WRX was formed for the purpose of leasing NWX-owned
reefers to the Green Bay & Western. In the 1960s ownership of the
Northwestern Refrigerator Line was acquired by the North American Car
Corp., and North American leased the NWX cars back to the C&NW.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: Western Refrigerator 9000-series Lessee

Andy Laurent <arlaurent@...>
 

Bob, I would say that car has the standard gray/freight car red WRX
scheme. Either the color on the slide has shifted, or it was dirty. A
light coating of brown dust oftentimes made the light gray sides
appear yellowish.

These cars were used by/lease to the GB&W. WRX was a GB&W subsidiary.
In the 1960s, cars began to be leased to specific industries, but in
the time period of this list, they were in general reefer service for
GB&W customers including cheese, evap milk, potatoes, and such.

Check out this link for some photos:
<http://www.greenbayroute.com/photoroster.htm#Refrig.>

Andy Laurent

--- In STMFC@..., Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:

Bob

I have pre-1960 scans of WRX 9047, 9099, both leased to GB&W.
They are b/w so I can't say what the paint scheme is, but as
far as I know, GB&W cars only had gray sides.

Tim O'Connor


At 11/18/2007 11:36 PM Sunday, you wrote:
A partial view of 40' wood reefer WRX #9048 appears in a photo
posted
on STMFC (see AC&Y ex-P&N boxcars). I had not noticed the Western
Refrigerator Lines Reefer before. The photo was taken by Ed
Kirstatter
at AC&Y's East Akron yard in 1959. Curious if there are records
for
the ca 1950's lessors of WRX 9000-series reefers... who leased WRX
#9048? No other identification is visible except the end
reporting
marks. WRX #9048 has pale yellow sides with freight car red ends
and
roof. Note Accurail and Branchline both offer WRX 9000-series
reefers
(Green Bay & Western, lessor) in a grey scheme.


Re: Atlas ICC 105 tank

Garth Groff <ggg9y@...>
 

John,

Yes, LP gas would have been a better term. My fictional Sacramento Northern Pennington Branch will include a fuel dealer, and was thinking LP gas would be an appropriate product. Mind you, I have no evidence of such cars on the SN, but it is very likely that by the late 1950s there were dealers that would have received by rail. I remember LP gas or propane being delivered by truck in northern California when I was growing up in the 1950s. Since I am concentrating on SHPX and UTLX regular tank cars, I think I will look for those road names among the Atlas 105s.

Thanks much for sharing your research.

Kind regards,


Garth G. Groff

John Hile wrote:

--- In STMFC@..., Garth Groff <ggg9y@...> wrote:

Friends,

Besides California Despatch, what other roadnames of the Atlas ICC 105 tank might have been seen in California in natural gas service?

Thanks much.


Garth,

I assumes when you said "natural gas" you meant products of natural
gas such as LPG. I have been researching California industries in an
effort to build a reasonable freight car fleet for the Santa Fe's
Valley Division late '52 to mid '53. Here is the little I have so far
on LPG cars beyond those mentioned by Richard...

The Sunray Oil Corp (SUYX) lists ICC105A300W's in the 1/53 ORER and
shows a "home point" for cars as Santa Maria, CA (Santa Maria Vy RR) The Atlas cars are SHPX and leased to Sunray, but I have not
researched these cars yet, nor determined what products originated for
Sunray at Santa Maria.

Anchor Petroleum Co (ANPX) has ICC105A300W's in the 1/53 ORER and
lists one of their home points as Gulf, CA (Sunset Ry). I still have
to determine what products Anchor produced at the Gulf, CA facility,
but significant natural gas and petroleum deposits were found in Kern
Co. See Ed's posts in response to my inquiries on these Atlas cars.
Pacific Gas Corp leased cars from Republic Tank Car Co (RTCX) and
Kaminski's ACF tank book has photos on p 174, 175 of RTCX cars leased
to Pacific, but (at a minimum) the lettering styles/schemes are
different than any of the Atlas RTCX models. One of my sources shows
Pacific with a gas field in Kern County, circa 1949.

That source (Mineral Commodities of California, 1950) lists the
largest of the 74 operating CA gas processing plants as of the close
of 1948. The LPG plants are:

Standard Oil of CA at Kettleman Hills (UTLX)
Ohio Oil Co at South Coles Levee
General Petroleum Corp at Athens
Western Gulf Oil Co at Paloma

Perhaps others on the list may know what cars (if any) the other
companies may have used.

Hope this helps,

John Hile
Blacksburg, VA








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Re: Making Model parts through Rapid Prototyping, was "Gloss coat for decalling"

Charlie Vlk
 

There certainly are major learning curve issues in both the 3D Modeling and Rapid Prototyping end of creating parts or entire
body shells.
Even in HO some degree of "toy train designer" must be included in order for the parts to "read" properly.... no point in rendering
something to exact scale if a layer of paint is going to obscure it.
There are four or more different processes for making RP parts and only two of them that we've used so far are satisfactory for
Z, N and HO sized parts.
Most tooling for commercial models is now being done in 3D although the use of RP is rather limited because of the costs involved.
3D design drawings allow viewing almost photo realistic renderings of the parts and assemblies besides generating interference
checks and sectional views for engineering analysis of designs prior to cutting tooling. Having checked 2D Shop Drawings in a
prior career and 2D Engineering Drawings for Models in my current one, it is much easier to look at 3D models to get an idea what
the finished parts will look like. It is virtually impossible to check how compound curved surfaces will look in 2D but in 3D you get
a good preview if it they are correct before tooling is started.
Charlie Vlk


Feb 23- March 3 shows in California

Rob Kirkham <rdkirkham@...>
 

I'm wondering if there are any prototype modeller type events or other worthwhil railway shows going on within a couple of hours drive of the Palm Springs area between Feb. 23 and March 3, 2008?

Rob Kirkham


Re: Intermountain FGE part

michael bishop <goldrod_1@...>
 

InterMountain Railway Company (800)472-2530 P.O. Box 839 (303)772-1901 Longmont, Colorado
80502-0839 FAX: (303)772-8534


Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote: >> I'm trying to find out how I can order Intermountain Parts.

Call them. You know, the phone. The thing we used before
we did everything by email... :-)






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Re: Western Refrigerator 9000-series Lessor ??

Tim O'Connor
 

Bob

I have pre-1960 scans of WRX 9047, 9099, both leased to GB&W.
They are b/w so I can't say what the paint scheme is, but as
far as I know, GB&W cars only had gray sides.

Tim O'Connor

At 11/18/2007 11:36 PM Sunday, you wrote:
A partial view of 40' wood reefer WRX #9048 appears in a photo posted
on STMFC (see AC&Y ex-P&N boxcars). I had not noticed the Western
Refrigerator Lines Reefer before. The photo was taken by Ed Kirstatter
at AC&Y's East Akron yard in 1959. Curious if there are records for
the ca 1950's lessors of WRX 9000-series reefers... who leased WRX
#9048? No other identification is visible except the end reporting
marks. WRX #9048 has pale yellow sides with freight car red ends and
roof. Note Accurail and Branchline both offer WRX 9000-series reefers
(Green Bay & Western, lessor) in a grey scheme.


Re: Intermountain FGE part

Glen Mills <mills.glen@...>
 

Hello Bruce,

Speak to them on the telephone on (800)472-2530 and explain your problem.

That is what I did. And achieved.

Regards,

Glen Mills
(Modelling Downunder)
Intermountain FGE part
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Posted
by: "Bruce Smith" smithbf@...
<smithbf@...?Subject=+Re%3AIntermountain%20FGE%20part> smithbf36832
<http://profiles.yahoo.com/smithbf36832> Sun Nov 18, 2007 7:02 pm (PST)
Folks,

I'm trying to find out how I can order Intermountain Parts. I need
several sprues of the new HO scale FGE detail parts, especially the
ladders for several FGE and Nx reefer projects. I checked their web site
and the FGE parts are not listed. Does anyone know if they are available?

Regards
Bruce

Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


Re: Intermountain FGE part

Tim O'Connor
 

I'm trying to find out how I can order Intermountain Parts.
Call them. You know, the phone. The thing we used before
we did everything by email... :-)


Re: Intermountain FGE part

michael bishop <goldrod_1@...>
 

Bruce,
Just give them a call and explain what you need. I have done this in the past and they are great to work with.

cobrapsl@... wrote:
Bruce,
?Just give them a call and they should sell to you. You need to have the kit instruction sheet in front of you so you can give them THEIR exact kit and sprue number.?

Paul Lyons
Laguna Niguel, CA

-----Original Message-----
From: Bruce Smith <smithbf@...>
To: stMFC@...
Sent: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 7:02 pm
Subject: [STMFC] Intermountain FGE part

Folks,

I'm trying to find out how I can order Intermountain Parts. I need
several sprues of the new HO scale FGE detail parts, especially the
ladders for several FGE and Nx reefer projects. I checked their web site
and the FGE parts are not listed. Does anyone know if they are available?

Regards
Bruce

Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL

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Western Refrigerator 9000-series Lessor ??

Bob Lucas
 

A partial view of 40' wood reefer WRX #9048 appears in a photo posted
on STMFC (see AC&Y ex-P&N boxcars). I had not noticed the Western
Refrigerator Lines Reefer before. The photo was taken by Ed Kirstatter
at AC&Y's East Akron yard in 1959. Curious if there are records for
the ca 1950's lessors of WRX 9000-series reefers... who leased WRX
#9048? No other identification is visible except the end reporting
marks. WRX #9048 has pale yellow sides with freight car red ends and
roof. Note Accurail and Branchline both offer WRX 9000-series reefers
(Green Bay & Western, lessor) in a grey scheme.

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