On Nov 20, 2007, at 6:06 AM, joel norman wrote:

I WAS GIVEN A MEC SWITCH LIST FOR JAN 1961 AND IT HAD A REPORTING MARK
OF TWOX AND IT WAS LOADED WITH OIL( HOME HEATING??? )ANYONE KNOW
ANYTHING ABOUT THIS COMPANY?WAS IT A NEW ENGLAND COMPANY?AND IN HO
WHICH CAR WOULD I USE TO MODEL IT..
THE SWITCH LIST HAD THE FOLLOWING TWOX NUMBERS: 1809/1439/2050...

Joel, in the steam era Tidewater Associated Oil Co. had three branches,
eastern, midwestern, and western, each with their own tank car fleets.
Eastern tidewater cars operated under TWOX reporting marks, midwestern
under TIDX reporting marks, and western (Associated) under AOX
reporting marks. TWOX cars were common in the northeast. As others
have pointed out, P2K accurately modeled AC&F 10K gal. Type 21s that
were rostered as TWOX 1017-1468, which would include TWOX 1439. TWOX
1839 isn't listed in the 1/53 ORER; TWOX 2050 was an 8K gal. car in the
2001-2095 series for which there are currently no HO scale models.

Richard Hendrickson

Thank You!

--- In STMFC@..., Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@...>
wrote:

On Nov 19, 2007, at 11:46 AM, olin4812 wrote:

Is anyone aware of any photos, memories, plats, or train or

industry

lists that would give some indication as to what destinations in
California and via what roads the Warren cars went?

Olin, Warren did not show any western home points for its cars in

the

ORERs. However, Warren was the largest marketer of LPG in North
America in the post-WW-II era and sold its products in all parts of

the

country. I have seen photographic evidence of Warren ICC-105s on

the

Southern Pacific near Port Costa and on the Santa Fe line over

Cajon

Pass, so Warren cars were apparently routed to both the Bay area

and to

Southern Calif.

Richard Hendrickson

Proto 2000 definitely did a 10,000 gallon TWOX (Tidewater Oil)
tank car. These could be seen in the northeastern U.S. Tidewater
also leased UTLX LP tank cars. ( Frank Hodina model, RMJ 7/1989 )

Tim O'Connor

I think P2K lettered one of their 8,000 gal tank cars for Tidewater.

Quoting joel norman <mec-bml@...>:

I WAS GIVEN A MEC SWITCH LIST FOR JAN 1961 AND IT HAD A REPORTING MARK
OF TWOX AND IT WAS LOADED WITH OIL( HOME HEATING??? )ANYONE KNOW
ANYTHING ABOUT THIS COMPANY?WAS IT A NEW ENGLAND COMPANY?AND IN HO
WHICH CAR WOULD I USE TO MODEL IT..
THE SWITCH LIST HAD THE FOLLOWING TWOX NUMBERS: 1809/1439/2050...
JOEL NORMAN
''EASTERN MAINE RLY''

I'm trying to find out about the freight equipment (if any) owned by the Lowell & Southern Railway that operated in LaSalle County, Illinois, to the north of Leonore from about 1927 to about 1930, when approval was given for the company to be purchased by CB&Q. It operated during this period under a "certificate of convenience and necessity" and served (at least) the Ristokrat Clay Products Company at Lowell.

In that connection, can anyone put me in touch with Bob Nicholson who, I understand, may have some further information.

Thanks

Rupert Gamlen
Auckland NZ

--- In STMFC@..., "John Hile" <john66h@...> wrote:

Petroleum product suppliers with names that start with "Sun" listed
for California locations in my 1927 Freight Shippers Guide to the
Santa Fe:

San Francisco: Sunset Monarch Oil Co.; Sunset Oil Co.
Los Angeles: Sun Oil Co. of Philadelphia

Dan,

Checked one of my online resources, and found an image of a Los
Angeles City map from Sunset Oil Company, Los Angeles, California.
The site says it is from 1946, and that Sunset was purchased by
Wilshire approx. 1957.

Here is the address of the image: http://www.gassigns.org/sunset.htm

John Hile
Blacksburg, VA

On Nov 19, 2007, at 11:46 AM, olin4812 wrote:

Is anyone aware of any photos, memories, plats, or train or industry
lists that would give some indication as to what destinations in
California and via what roads the Warren cars went?

Olin, Warren did not show any western home points for its cars in the
ORERs. However, Warren was the largest marketer of LPG in North
America in the post-WW-II era and sold its products in all parts of the
country. I have seen photographic evidence of Warren ICC-105s on the
Southern Pacific near Port Costa and on the Santa Fe line over Cajon
Pass, so Warren cars were apparently routed to both the Bay area and to
Southern Calif.

Richard Hendrickson

--- In STMFC@..., Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:

Why must there be a retailer? Large industries and transport
companies buy lube oil by the carload.

Tim,

Ran across the following in "Enterprise in Oil" while looking up
another matter...

"Even with the expanding domestic market it enjoyed during the
Twenties, Shell in common with most California refiners, continued to
sell on the export market - a term used in California to designate all
sales not destined for Pacific Coast points. During 1927, Shell of
California turned increasingly to this offshore market, selling
substantial quantities of gasoline and kerosene to Atlantic Seaboard
refining and marketing companies such as Standard of New Jersey,
Socony, Sun, Amoco, Atlantic Refining, and others who were taking
advantage of the low prices then prevalent in California."

There is, of course, no evidence here to suggest any of these
shipments were sent by rail. It does, however, seem to show that
market forces led to interesting business arrangements.


John Hile
Blacksburg, VA

--- In STMFC@..., Dan Gledhill <gledhilldan@...> wrote:

Hello ,
I've been trying to identify an early rivetted tank car

that has only part of it's original company name left on it's upper
side.The name as I can best make out begins with the word SUN in dark
8 to 10 inch Roman print and ends with the words OIL COMPANY in the
same style.It appears as if the dome may have been silver and also the
upper tank,as a little of the original paint exists on the tanks top
surfaces.There is some smaller lettering stenciled on the cars lower
sides ,which is approx. 3 to 4 inchs high and reads LOS ANGELIS while
further along the cars side in similar print are the name CALIFORNIA.

With all the recent posts on Atlas tank car 105 lately and

several mentions of California oil companies having the name SUN in
them ,hopefully someone could help identify this one.

Tanks in Advance
Dan

Gledhill

Hello Dan,

Below is what I could find in my resources. Nothing definitive
regarding your tank car, but perhaps somehow useful nonetheless.

Petroleum product suppliers with names that start with "Sun" listed
for California locations in my 1927 Freight Shippers Guide to the
Santa Fe:

San Francisco: Sunset Monarch Oil Co.; Sunset Oil Co.
Los Angeles: Sun Oil Co. of Philadelphia

What cars these companies may have had in this era I do not know, as
my oldest ORER is 1943.

I also have similar notes to those already posted regarding Sunland
Oil being located in Fresno and have a note about a Sunland refinery
in Bakersfield.

John Hile
Blacksburg, VA

--- In STMFC@..., "Thomas Baker" <bakert@...> wrote:

I can't figure this one out. What do you make of it, Clark?

Tom

I think this belongs on the CGW group because it's too new for here.
See you there.
Clark Propst

Is anyone aware of any photos, memories, plats, or train or industry
lists that would give some indication as to what destinations in
California and via what roads the Warren cars went?

Thanks,
Olin Dirks
Omaha NE

Jack-

Yes.... but there are no "printing" processes that I have seen that are adequate for Rapid Prototyping of any parts
for us......
I hesitate to list all the processes that could be considered as the technology is changing rapidly (pun intended)...
The ones I am familiar with that give good results are:

"Prefactory" light hardened acrylic plastic
and the following from Wikopedia:
Prototyping Technologies Base Materials
Selective laser sintering (SLS) Thermoplastics, metals powders
Fused Deposition Modeling (FDM) Thermoplastics, Eutectic metals.
Stereolithography (SLA) photopolymer
Multi Jet Modeling (MJM) photopolymer
Laminated Object Manufacturing (LOM) Paper
Electron Beam Melting (EBM) Titanium alloys
3D Printing (3DP) Various materials
Objet PolyJet Modeling photopolymer


Prefactory gives superior results to anything I've seen. We've used PolyJet which is slightly lower
resolution than the Prefactory. It gives a similar finished part but the process involves a support
medium which must be flushed/scraped away from the finished part and the boundary between
the part and the support medium is not always sharp. It does give good enough results to cast
a GE44T body in N Scale that has detail down to the Flapper on the Exhaust Stacks. The Prefactory
process will yield Hex Nuts on the same part if they are there on the 3D drawing!

SLA and LOM have been used for model products but I don't think they give results that are close to
the two processes we've used so far. Again, the technology is changing and your results may vary.

The "printing" processes (sort of 3D inkjet printers) were not near to the resolution we require but they
may be the home units of the future for our use...

Charlie Vlk

Watch nmra.org, Regions and Divisions, Pacific Southweast Region for the coming events in the real Southwestern USA. I try to keep a list in Flagstops for the Division and Region newsletters.

Many of the PRS has outdoor events and they become active April through June and September through October to avoid rain or heat.
Lindsay


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--- In STMFC@..., Jack Burgess <jack@...> wrote:

Charlie Vlk wrote:

There are four or more different processes for making RP parts and

only two of them that we've used so far are satisfactory for

Z, N and HO sized parts.

Is the "printing" process being discussed one of them.....?

Jack Burgess

I haven't seen the FSM article, but the handout from my 2006 Rapid
Prototyping clinic at Naperville includes a discussion of the PolyJet
3D acrylic printing technology. The link to a pdf file of the handout
is:
http://home.att.net/~pullmanproject/RP2.pdf

Tom Madden

Pacific Locomotive Works in San Jose, CA

http://www.pacificlocomotive.com/

makes custom parts using the RP process. The web page explains
the process. Of interest is that once a drawing has been made
it can be scaled to any size, thus an O scale driver drawing
is usable in any other scale (ignoring the question of whether
the printing process can replicate things like letters and
numbers in say, Z scale).

The air hose hangar bracket that was a recent thread here might
be an easy but effective place to start.

Rod

bdg1210 wrote:

I can't figure this one out. What do you make of it, Clark?

Tom

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Sent: Mon 11/19/2007 1:09 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Western Refrigerator 9000-series Lessee




I have a photo taken in 1964 of a plug-door, insulated refrigerator
car in the reporting marks of the North Western Refrigerator Lines but
with a CGW so-called "Lucky Strike" emblem on the opposite side of
where the reporting marks are.

I have a similar photo (Howard Ameling?) and a couple taken later with
a fresh paint square over where the CGW emblem was.
Clark Propst




Yahoo! Groups Links

I have a photo taken in 1964 of a plug-door, insulated refrigerator
car in the reporting marks of the North Western Refrigerator Lines but
with a CGW so-called "Lucky Strike" emblem on the opposite side of
where the reporting marks are.

I have a similar photo (Howard Ameling?) and a couple taken later with
a fresh paint square over where the CGW emblem was.
Clark Propst

Charlie Vlk wrote:

There are four or more different processes for making RP parts and only two of them that we've used so far are satisfactory for
Z, N and HO sized parts.

Is the "printing" process being discussed one of them.....?

Jack Burgess
www.yosemitevalleyrr.com

On Nov 18, 2007, at 11:46 PM, michael bishop wrote:

InterMountain Railway Company (800)472-2530 P.O. Box 839 (303)772-1901 Longmont, Colorado
80502-0839 FAX: (303)772-8534


Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote: >> I'm trying to find out how I can order Intermountain Parts.

Call them. You know, the phone. The thing we used before
we did everything by email... :-)

Folks,

Thanks to all who suggested this... I haven't dealt with IM directly before and did not realize that they actually 1) have a human at the other end and 2) that they believe in customer service.... I had a delightful chat with them and a bunch of parts sprues are headed my way. These will aid in the modeling of several FGE and ex-FGE reefers including a 37' NX meat reefer that I am bashing from the Accurail wood reefer (BREX) based on a challenge from Jim Singer as well as the "shake and take" Kahn's reefer from Cocoa, and the matching NX and FGE cars (which I know can be modeled from the IM kit and Sunshine resin...

Regards
Bruce

Bruce F. Smith
Auburn, AL
http://www.vetmed.auburn.edu/index.pl/bruce_f._smith2

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