Date   

Re: Hands On Clinic at Cocoa Beach 2008

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Greg Martin wrote:
The project this year will be of a Pennsy 50-foot class X45 all welded boxcar.
What the heck, Greg? Out of non-Pennsy things you can build already?? <vbg>

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: USRA Dwg. No. Scheme

Roger Hinman <rhinman@...>
 

I didn't go through all the Std Steel drawings in Harrisburg but I do
show the following from the box car list

42649 for a DS boxcar to the USG in 1919
42450 for a SS boxcar to the USG in 1919

I presume these are both USRA cars; don't know if this helps or not
but it might get you in the number range

Roger Hinman

On Dec 4, 2007, at 10:01 AM, Ted Anderson wrote:

I am beginning to look into the rolls of US Standard original drawings
at the IRM Pullman Library for the 1917-1919 era. Can anyone tell me
if
there is a listing of USRA drawing numbers somewhere? That could save
me a lot of time in going through the drawings, which include both
domestic and export freight and passenger cars. Seeing the posts on
Carmer uncoupling reminded me to ask, which I happened to see on a
1918
Haskell & Barker drawing this week in working on a request. Always
trying to work on these listings as time allows- Ted Anderson.



Re: Milw Road SS box cars...

benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
 

I wrote:
"Even though there's "only" a 4" difference in inside heights between
the model and prototype, it's enough to alter the "low-slung" look of
8' 6"/8' 7" 40-foot boxcars."

The difference is actually 5" to 6". Darned English units...


Ben Hom


Re: Springfield Mass train show

Tim O'Connor
 

But Martin does go to Timonium now and then, yes?

-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Richard Dermody <ddermody@...>
Jerry,

Regretably, no.

Dick

On Dec 4, 2007, at 4:08 PM, jerryglow2 wrote:

Does anyone know if Martin (Sunshine Models) normally attends the big
train show in Springfield? I think it's coming up in mid to late
Jan '08. I have someone who might be able to be a "purchasing agent"
for me it he'll be there.

Jerry Glow


Re: Hands On Clinic at Cocoa Beach 2008

Charles Hladik
 

Mike,
I'll send you a box car full of the 26 degrees that it is right now here
in the Blue Ridge Mountains of Virginia.
Chuck Hladik
Rutland Railroad
Virginia Division



**************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest
products.
(http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001)


Re: Springfield Mass train show

Richard Dermody <ddermody@...>
 

Jerry,

Regretably, no.

Dick

On Dec 4, 2007, at 4:08 PM, jerryglow2 wrote:

Does anyone know if Martin (Sunshine Models) normally attends the big
train show in Springfield? I think it's coming up in mid to late
Jan '08. I have someone who might be able to be a "purchasing agent"
for me it he'll be there.

Jerry Glow




Yahoo! Groups Links




Re: Milw Road SS box cars...

benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
 

David Newcomb asked:
"Do you know the best paint mix for the Milw ribside cars?"

We went over this two days ago. See post #68131.


Ben Hom


Hands On Clinic at Cocoa Beach 2008

Greg Martin
 

Hey Yuze Gize,

It is that time of year that we announce the Hands on Clinic (aka Shake 'n Take) for the Prototype Modelers Meet in Cocoa Beach, Fl in January. We will be taking reservations and as in the past there is a limited amount of spots available. We will be filling spots as quickly as we can and as we have in the past reserving 5 spots for those that are Internet challenged and walk in at the meet. We?have filled the?first?six spots. Remember, there is no additional cost to you, you?simply have to be there and signed up prior as spots are very limited. ?

The project this year will be of a Pennsy 50-foot class X45 all welded boxcar.?The car was certainly not the PRR's first 50-foot all welded boxcar, it was?built in 1951-52 at the PRR's Altoona Car Shops?and delivered in the classic PRR Circle/Ball?Keystone apint sceheme?and lasted in revenue service well into Penn Central. As usual?I will be presenting the subject by Power Point and the kit will be?limited to only those present. So, if you miss the presentation you may look for it later in 2008 as an article in The Keystone Modeler.?There will be a very limited amount of paper hand-outs as well, perhaps five. The past events have always been full with some standing room as available (for viewing).

So, if you?are planning on attending we would like you?to contact Mike Brock (off-line) FIRST?at brockm@...?and please "cc" myself at tgregmrtn@... to insure you have been considered. Again, there are only enough kits for those at the?presentation, first come first serve... ?


1.) Denny Anspach

2.) Mont Switzer?

3.) John Greedy

4.) Jim Singer

5.) Armand Premo
6.) Clark Propst

Again, ~off line~ contact Mike and myself as soon as possible. Cancelations will be filled as well, first come first serve...

Thanks Gize,

Greg Martin

________________________________________________________________________
More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://o.aolcdn.com/cdn.webmail.aol.com/mailtour/aol/en-us/text.htm?ncid=aolcmp00050000000003


Re: Oxygen & Acetylene

Walt Gay <waltrail1@...>
 

I know the question was the 50's, but I worked as a carman in the 70's
and the oxygen was orange and the actylene was black with a red collar!

Walt



--- In STMFC@..., RUTLANDRS@... wrote:

Gary,
In the 50's Acetelyne tanks were orange, almost a reefer
orange, and
Oxygen was and is A sort of Floquil Dark Green. Don't forget that
the hoses to
the torch are also those colors, yeah right.
Chuck Hladik



**************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's
hottest
products.
(http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001)


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


Re: Milw Road SS box cars...

benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
 

Mark Mathu asked:
"Short of using the Sunshine kit, does anyone have recommendations
for a more economical (i.e. a simple styrene kit) to serve as
a "stand-in" or "close enough" model for these cars? The closest
I've identified is the Accurail #7000 6-Panel boxcar with wood ends,
but the prototype had lumber doors on the ends and a straight center
sill as opposed to the Accurail fishbelly sill. If anyone can top
that model, I'd love to hear about it."

It depends what factor is more important to you - how a freight car
model looks standing alone or how it looks in context in the yard or
a train, because the MILW cars came in two heights - 8' 6" and 9' 3".

The Accurail #7100 car with Dreadnaght ends is a better stand-in for
the taller cars in the 714000 series.
http://www.accurail.com/accurail/art/7100/7109.jpg
The center sill is easily corrected using 2 x 12 styrene strip, and
the model has the correct Hutchins roof and comparable Z-section
truss members. There's still a difference of 3" of inside height
between the model and this prototype, but the model does capture its
overall appearance.

The Accurail #7000 car with wood ends is not as good a stand-in for
the 8' 6" cars, mainly because it's tall enough to change the
overall proportions of the car. Even though there's "only" a 4"
difference in inside heights between the model and prototype, it's
enough to alter the "low-slung" look of 8' 6"/8' 7" 40-foot
boxcars. Visualize the difference in proportions between an
X29/USRA-design steel boxcar and the USRA SS/DS boxcars and you'll
see what I mean.

Unfortunately, there's not as good a stand-in for the lower cars.
The Walthers/Train-Miniature single-sheathed boxcar with "braced"
ends gives you the right proportions and also has Z-section truss
members, but you'll need to modify the underframe to get rid of the
fishbelly and correct the kingpin-striker distance to 5 feet, modify
the doors to get rid of the oversized door tracks and "claws", and
the roof is incorect. You can conceivably replace the roof with the
Hutchins roof from any Accurail single-sheathed boxcar, but it's up
to you to decide whether or not that approaches the point of
diminishing returns.


Ben Hom


Springfield Mass train show

jerryglow2
 

Does anyone know if Martin (Sunshine Models) normally attends the big
train show in Springfield? I think it's coming up in mid to late
Jan '08. I have someone who might be able to be a "purchasing agent"
for me it he'll be there.

Jerry Glow


Re: CG '37 AAR 10' door and a half box cars

rockroll50401 <cepropst@...>
 

Oops!
Clark Propst


--- In STMFC@..., "Frank Greene" <frgreene290@...> wrote:

Ted says he's going to do this car.
Clark Propst
<http://www.speedwitch.com/Advance/adv_speedwitch_no2_low.pdf> says
he's
doing the 50' car.

Frank Greene
Memphis, TN


Re: Capacity data changes on '37 box cars

jim_mischke <jmischke@...>
 

B&O was very much a patch-it-up, wear-it-out, make-it-do railroad.
B&O frequently bought freight car kits from builders so they could
use salvage trucks and brake gear from dismantled equipment. Hence
capacity might vary as to what trucks and journals were reused, car
by car.

Also, the "LT WT" changes between weighings. Corrosion can cost
hundreds of pounds from the light weight, repairs and patching can
add or restore hundreds of pounds. This is why freight cars needed
to be reweighed every four years or so.

After a shopping and reweigh, the car data changes and the car was
restenciled, sometimes with patches. B&O used a special quick drying
paint on their paint patches, one that dried in 30 minutes, so a car
did not occupy a spot for hours just for paint to dry for the white
stencils. This patch paint was only available in black or brown, not
the various B&O boxcar colors. Hence the patches rarely matched the
B&O boxcar's paint.







--- In STMFC@..., Rob Kirkham <rdkirkham@...> wrote:

Thanks Tony. I see that this data shows up in the ORERs making it
possible
to avoid this sort of confusion/pitfall even if the photo one is
working
from doesn't allow one to read the capacity data.

Rob Kirkham
----- Original Message -----
From: "Anthony Thompson" <thompson@...>
To: <STMFC@...>
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 7:44 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Capacity data changes on '37 box cars


Rob Kirkham wrote:
I'm trying to make sense of something I've recently noticed when
attempting to model/decal CPR 1937 AAR 10' IH box cars. In most
photos (colour and more than 10 years after the built date), one
see
these cars lettered in the following approx. figures:

CAPY 125000
LD. LMT. 125000
LT WT 44000
Rob, this is for Class D or 5.5 x 10 journals, nominally
100,000
pounds capy (not normally 125,000). Note the load limit and lt.
wt. add
up to 169,000.

But in Kline & Culotta's Postwar Freight Car Fleet, p. 73, two of
these cars (depicted within 10 years of built date) are lettered:
CAPY 91000
LD. LMT. 91200
LT WT 44800
This is for Class C or 5 x 9 journals, nominal 80,000
pound capy
and ld. lmt. and lt. wt. adding up to 136,000 pounds. CPR must
have
later changed out the trucks to change the nominal journal class.
Usual
rule of the AAR was that capy data were in round numbers to
nearest
10,000 but this was really up to the owning road.
This has nothing directly to do with the 1937 AAR box car
design.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705
www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: CG '37 AAR 10' door and a half box cars

jerryglow2
 

Frank is quite correct - I don't know what made me think it was the
Savannah area instead of outskirts of Atlanta.

Jerry Glow

--- In STMFC@..., "Frank Greene" <frgreene290@...> wrote:

Do you have contact information for that shop? I've been wanting to
build one of these for a long time. Beautiful model, BTW. Did you
use
the G. Komar transfers?

Thanks,
Tony Higgins
Riverdale Station
770-991-6085
Tu - Sat 10-5:30

Frank Greene
Memphis, TN


Re: CG '37 AAR 10' door and a half box cars

Frank Greene
 

Ted says he's going to do this car.
Clark Propst
<http://www.speedwitch.com/Advance/adv_speedwitch_no2_low.pdf> says he's doing the 50' car.

Frank Greene
Memphis, TN


Re: CG '37 AAR 10' door and a half box cars

Frank Greene
 

Do you have contact information for that shop? I've been wanting to build one of these for a long time. Beautiful model, BTW. Did you use the G. Komar transfers?
Thanks,
Tony Higgins
Riverdale Station
770-991-6085
Tu - Sat 10-5:30

Frank Greene
Memphis, TN


Re: Milw Road SS box cars...

dtnewcomb
 

The thousands of famous steel ribside cars
of the late 30's and the '40s replaced the mysterious double
sheathed cars
Denny:

Do you know the best paint mix for the Milw ribside cars?

Thanks,

David Newcomb


Re: CG '37 AAR 10' door and a half box cars

jerryglow2
 

I think I used Microscale decals which had just come out at the time.
I'm more comfortable with water based decals even to the point of
putting some dry transfer type on clear film. (NOT a criticism of dry
transfers - just that like Cline Eastwood said "A man's got to know his
limitations").

Jerry Glow

--- In STMFC@..., "Tony Higgins" <earthman92853@...> wrote:

Do you have contact information for that shop? I've been wanting to
build one of these for a long time. Beautiful model, BTW. Did you use
the G. Komar transfers?

Thanks,
Tony Higgins
Pittsford, NY


Roomy

rockroll50401 <cepropst@...>
 

I have a room reserved at the Hilton. If someone would like to share
the expense please contact me off list at: cepropst@...


Tough enough

rockroll50401 <cepropst@...>
 

Thanksgiving I was running the layout for some of the grandkids. I
had a car hang up when the train was rounding a curve, the engines
pulled four cars over which proceeded to roll down an embankment and
onto the concrete floor below.

1st car was a GATX P2K tank car. Beings this was a west bound freight
the tank was bound for the local packing house and was empty. Damage
was minimal. The car must have been RTR because it still had those
crappy plastic couplers. One coupler was ruined and the brake wheel
and shaft fell off. New Kadees and some ACC for the brake shaft and
it was railworthy again.

Car 2 was a Branchline Katy box car with a load of Oyster shells for
the local feed mill. It sustained a crushed poling pocket corner and
lost a running board corner grab. It was repaired.

Car 3 was a Sunshine GB&W SS box car with a load of lumber for the
local wholesale outlet. The solidly packed load saved the car. No
damage.

Last car was an F&C CP mini-box that was empty heading home. That
model lost an end, floor/underframe, ladder, brake wheel, and a tack
board. It was easily repaired.

Moral of the story? A fully loaded car survives a fall best! Or get a
safety net!!

Clark Propst

129021 - 129040 of 197081