Date   

Re: Milw Road SS box cars...

Dean Payne
 

No, I didn't quite miss the point, I guess I just kind of went off on
a slight tangent, which I tend to do. I was aware that the cars being
discussed are single door cars, but I think the double door cars make
a more interesting choice for modeling "Milw Road SS box cars" (the
title of this thread).
Perhaps I should have preface my post with "...another interesting
choice for inexpensive Milwaukee SS box cars would be the kibash blah
blah blah..." Ersatz Sunshine cars they are not.
Sorry I threw you a screwball. Consider the source!
Dean Payne

--- In STMFC@..., "benjaminfrank_hom" <b.hom@...> wrote:

Dean Payne wrote, in part:
"Funny you should ask, I just sent an email off-line to Ray Breyer
about this. I'm doing a kitbash of an MDC 50-foot double-door SS car
I heard of from the NEB&W site:
'The 50 foot cars can be cut down to approximately 40 feet (okay,
the panels are 4-1/2 feet long, so you can only cut out 9 feet). I
first cut the kit into flat parts. This photo shows an original side
above and the two panels removed to make it 40 feet, from an 11 panel
50 foot car to a 9 panel 40 footer.'"

Dean, you totally missed the point. The kitbash you described is for
the 1-1/2 door automobile boxcars. These are the cars being discussed:
http://www.steamfreightcars.com/gallery/boxauto/milwssboxmain.html
http://www.steamfreightcars.com/modeling/models/culotta/milw713071main.
html
http://www.steamfreightcars.com/modeling/models/culotta/ctse716287main.
html


Ben Hom


Re: Hands On Clinic at Cocoa Beach 2008

Mike Brock <brockm@...>
 

Tony Thompson notes about the non-Pennsy cars in the first two hands on clinics at Prototype Rails:

Um, the only two, actually; and that was my point--I guess it's
"two and out." <g>

Yeah...but out of every three frt cars, one was a Pennsy car. <G>. At least it seems like it. One thing to remember though. If we ever get to 40 cars...the mind boggles at the thought...at least ONE must be a Northern Pacific box car...in order to satisfy Brock's Fifth rule of frt cars [ or was it the Sixth? ].

"There shall be at least one NP box car in every merchandise consist frt train [ non coal, tank car or reefer drag ]".

Mike Brock


Re: CG '37 AAR 10' door and a half box cars

Don Worthy
 

Earl
The "StreamLine" scheme was very brief, from June of 1952 to the end of 53 on cars painted in the CG shops. The 1st group of PS1 boxcars were the only cars that had the "factory" scheme, which is different from the shop painted cars. There are several things that are different between the two schemes.
Don Worthy
Ivey, Ga.

Earl Tuson <etuson@...> wrote:
> Did you use the G. Komar transfers?

Speaking of those, I have seen from Gene Deimling's P48 version of this car that the Komar set includes the 'modified box' reporting mark style with the Nancy Hanks/Man O' War slogans. Does the Komar set also come with the rounded style lettering that would have been used on the 6300-6499 and 6500-6599 cars when built? Furthermore, when (or to which, if known) were the Nancy Hanks/Man O'War slogan applied? TIA,

Earl Tuson





---------------------------------
Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage.


Re: Hands On Clinic at Cocoa Beach 2008

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Ben Hom wrote:
Wow, that was unfair, seeing that the last two Cocoa Beach projects were the KCS USRA DS rebuilds and the National Car Company Kahn's reefer, which was used to serve a plant on the B&O.
Um, the only two, actually; and that was my point--I guess it's "two and out." <g>

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: CG '37 AAR 10' door and a half box cars

Earl Tuson
 

Did you use the G. Komar transfers?
Speaking of those, I have seen from Gene Deimling's P48 version of this car that the Komar set includes the 'modified box' reporting mark style with the Nancy Hanks/Man O' War slogans. Does the Komar set also come with the rounded style lettering that would have been used on the 6300-6499 and 6500-6599 cars when built? Furthermore, when (or to which, if known) were the Nancy Hanks/Man O'War slogan applied? TIA,

Earl Tuson


Re: Hands On Clinic at Cocoa Beach 2008

benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
 

Tony Thompson wrote:
"What the heck, Greg? Out of non-Pennsy things you can build
already?? <vbg>"

Wow, that was unfair, seeing that the last two Cocoa Beach projects
were the KCS USRA DS rebuilds and the National Car Company Kahn's
reefer, which was used to serve a plant on the B&O.


Ben Hom


Re: Milw Road SS box cars...

benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
 

Dean Payne wrote, in part:
"Funny you should ask, I just sent an email off-line to Ray Breyer
about this. I'm doing a kitbash of an MDC 50-foot double-door SS car
I heard of from the NEB&W site:
'The 50 foot cars can be cut down to approximately 40 feet (okay,
the panels are 4-1/2 feet long, so you can only cut out 9 feet). I
first cut the kit into flat parts. This photo shows an original side
above and the two panels removed to make it 40 feet, from an 11 panel
50 foot car to a 9 panel 40 footer.'"

Dean, you totally missed the point. The kitbash you described is for
the 1-1/2 door automobile boxcars. These are the cars being discussed:
http://www.steamfreightcars.com/gallery/boxauto/milwssboxmain.html
http://www.steamfreightcars.com/modeling/models/culotta/milw713071main.
html
http://www.steamfreightcars.com/modeling/models/culotta/ctse716287main.
html


Ben Hom


Re: Springfield Mass train show

Mark Olstyn <l_m_design@...>
 

--- In STMFC@..., "jerryglow2" <jerryglow@...> wrote:

Does anyone know if Martin (Sunshine Models) normally attends the big
train show in Springfield? I think it's coming up in mid to late
Jan '08. I have someone who might be able to be a "purchasing agent"
for me it he'll be there.

Jerry Glow
Jerry,
I heard from Martin Sunday. He will not be going
to Springfield, but he will be at Timonium.
Mark Olstyn


Re: Milw Road SS box cars...

Dean Payne
 

--- In STMFC@..., "Mark Mathu" <mark@...> wrote:

Denny Anspach wrote:

The Sunshine kit of this car makes a truly nice
model, but a do wish that a more economical styrene
kit would become available so that the Milwaukee
modeler can more easily build up a credible fleet.
Short of using the Sunshine kit, does anyone have recommendations
for> a more economical (i.e. a simple styrene kit) to serve as a
"stand-in"> or "close enough" model for these cars?

__________
Mark Mathu
Funny you should ask, I just sent an email off-line to Ray Breyer
about this. I'm doing a kitbash of an MDC 50-foot double-door SS car
I heard of from the NEB&W site:
" The 50 foot cars can be cut down to approximately 40 feet (okay,
the panels are 4-1/2 feet long, so you can only cut out 9 feet). I
first cut the kit into flat parts. This photo shows an original side
above and the two panels removed to make it 40 feet, from an 11 panel
50 foot car to a 9 panel 40 footer."
It goes on to list the proper series for end-door and non-end door
cars, as well as mentioning the similar C&EI cars.
I decided a better way to cut the car apart is to remove the roof,
leaving the sides and ends attached. We'll see how well I get the
sides to go back together! However, the overall look is pretty close,
but to do it right you have to replace the ladders with drop grabs.
Actually, since they are ladder grabs on the ends, you only need to
carve off the rungs, which is surprisingly do-able. Oh, Ray saved my
bacon by mentioning that when you cut out the 2nd panel on the side,
make sure you are cutting on the proper side of the brace. You need
to cut off the first brace, which has the rivets facing the wrong
direction for this car.
If anybody is interested, contact me off-line for more info. This is
definitely a kitbash, not a simple kit. So, a fleet of them is easier
on your pocketbook than one of Sunshine kits, but much more time
consuming than Accurail kits. However, the kitbash has the advantage
of being distinctive (round roof, double door SS car, end door...) and
represents a sizable portion of the Milw fleet. Now, if I could only
figure out how to shorten it by a foot without hacking it into a dozen
pieces...
Dean Payne


Re: Oxygen & Acetylene

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Jason Greene wrote:
In our shop all the bottles themselves are gray and the screw on caps are color coded.
I sure hope the caps have different threads so they can't be matched to the wrong bottle. Otherwise it strikes me as a pretty dangerous arrangement.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Hands On Clinic at Cocoa Beach 2008

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Greg Martin wrote:
The project this year will be of a Pennsy 50-foot class X45 all welded boxcar.
What the heck, Greg? Out of non-Pennsy things you can build already?? <vbg>

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: USRA Dwg. No. Scheme

Roger Hinman <rhinman@...>
 

I didn't go through all the Std Steel drawings in Harrisburg but I do
show the following from the box car list

42649 for a DS boxcar to the USG in 1919
42450 for a SS boxcar to the USG in 1919

I presume these are both USRA cars; don't know if this helps or not
but it might get you in the number range

Roger Hinman

On Dec 4, 2007, at 10:01 AM, Ted Anderson wrote:

I am beginning to look into the rolls of US Standard original drawings
at the IRM Pullman Library for the 1917-1919 era. Can anyone tell me
if
there is a listing of USRA drawing numbers somewhere? That could save
me a lot of time in going through the drawings, which include both
domestic and export freight and passenger cars. Seeing the posts on
Carmer uncoupling reminded me to ask, which I happened to see on a
1918
Haskell & Barker drawing this week in working on a request. Always
trying to work on these listings as time allows- Ted Anderson.



Re: Milw Road SS box cars...

benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
 

I wrote:
"Even though there's "only" a 4" difference in inside heights between
the model and prototype, it's enough to alter the "low-slung" look of
8' 6"/8' 7" 40-foot boxcars."

The difference is actually 5" to 6". Darned English units...


Ben Hom


Re: Springfield Mass train show

Tim O'Connor
 

But Martin does go to Timonium now and then, yes?

-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Richard Dermody <ddermody@...>
Jerry,

Regretably, no.

Dick

On Dec 4, 2007, at 4:08 PM, jerryglow2 wrote:

Does anyone know if Martin (Sunshine Models) normally attends the big
train show in Springfield? I think it's coming up in mid to late
Jan '08. I have someone who might be able to be a "purchasing agent"
for me it he'll be there.

Jerry Glow


Re: Hands On Clinic at Cocoa Beach 2008

Charles Hladik
 

Mike,
I'll send you a box car full of the 26 degrees that it is right now here
in the Blue Ridge Mountains of Virginia.
Chuck Hladik
Rutland Railroad
Virginia Division



**************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest
products.
(http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001)


Re: Springfield Mass train show

Richard Dermody <ddermody@...>
 

Jerry,

Regretably, no.

Dick

On Dec 4, 2007, at 4:08 PM, jerryglow2 wrote:

Does anyone know if Martin (Sunshine Models) normally attends the big
train show in Springfield? I think it's coming up in mid to late
Jan '08. I have someone who might be able to be a "purchasing agent"
for me it he'll be there.

Jerry Glow




Yahoo! Groups Links




Re: Milw Road SS box cars...

benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
 

David Newcomb asked:
"Do you know the best paint mix for the Milw ribside cars?"

We went over this two days ago. See post #68131.


Ben Hom


Hands On Clinic at Cocoa Beach 2008

Greg Martin
 

Hey Yuze Gize,

It is that time of year that we announce the Hands on Clinic (aka Shake 'n Take) for the Prototype Modelers Meet in Cocoa Beach, Fl in January. We will be taking reservations and as in the past there is a limited amount of spots available. We will be filling spots as quickly as we can and as we have in the past reserving 5 spots for those that are Internet challenged and walk in at the meet. We?have filled the?first?six spots. Remember, there is no additional cost to you, you?simply have to be there and signed up prior as spots are very limited. ?

The project this year will be of a Pennsy 50-foot class X45 all welded boxcar.?The car was certainly not the PRR's first 50-foot all welded boxcar, it was?built in 1951-52 at the PRR's Altoona Car Shops?and delivered in the classic PRR Circle/Ball?Keystone apint sceheme?and lasted in revenue service well into Penn Central. As usual?I will be presenting the subject by Power Point and the kit will be?limited to only those present. So, if you miss the presentation you may look for it later in 2008 as an article in The Keystone Modeler.?There will be a very limited amount of paper hand-outs as well, perhaps five. The past events have always been full with some standing room as available (for viewing).

So, if you?are planning on attending we would like you?to contact Mike Brock (off-line) FIRST?at brockm@...?and please "cc" myself at tgregmrtn@... to insure you have been considered. Again, there are only enough kits for those at the?presentation, first come first serve... ?


1.) Denny Anspach

2.) Mont Switzer?

3.) John Greedy

4.) Jim Singer

5.) Armand Premo
6.) Clark Propst

Again, ~off line~ contact Mike and myself as soon as possible. Cancelations will be filled as well, first come first serve...

Thanks Gize,

Greg Martin

________________________________________________________________________
More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://o.aolcdn.com/cdn.webmail.aol.com/mailtour/aol/en-us/text.htm?ncid=aolcmp00050000000003


Re: Oxygen & Acetylene

Walt Gay <waltrail1@...>
 

I know the question was the 50's, but I worked as a carman in the 70's
and the oxygen was orange and the actylene was black with a red collar!

Walt



--- In STMFC@..., RUTLANDRS@... wrote:

Gary,
In the 50's Acetelyne tanks were orange, almost a reefer
orange, and
Oxygen was and is A sort of Floquil Dark Green. Don't forget that
the hoses to
the torch are also those colors, yeah right.
Chuck Hladik



**************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's
hottest
products.
(http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001)


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


Re: Milw Road SS box cars...

benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
 

Mark Mathu asked:
"Short of using the Sunshine kit, does anyone have recommendations
for a more economical (i.e. a simple styrene kit) to serve as
a "stand-in" or "close enough" model for these cars? The closest
I've identified is the Accurail #7000 6-Panel boxcar with wood ends,
but the prototype had lumber doors on the ends and a straight center
sill as opposed to the Accurail fishbelly sill. If anyone can top
that model, I'd love to hear about it."

It depends what factor is more important to you - how a freight car
model looks standing alone or how it looks in context in the yard or
a train, because the MILW cars came in two heights - 8' 6" and 9' 3".

The Accurail #7100 car with Dreadnaght ends is a better stand-in for
the taller cars in the 714000 series.
http://www.accurail.com/accurail/art/7100/7109.jpg
The center sill is easily corrected using 2 x 12 styrene strip, and
the model has the correct Hutchins roof and comparable Z-section
truss members. There's still a difference of 3" of inside height
between the model and this prototype, but the model does capture its
overall appearance.

The Accurail #7000 car with wood ends is not as good a stand-in for
the 8' 6" cars, mainly because it's tall enough to change the
overall proportions of the car. Even though there's "only" a 4"
difference in inside heights between the model and prototype, it's
enough to alter the "low-slung" look of 8' 6"/8' 7" 40-foot
boxcars. Visualize the difference in proportions between an
X29/USRA-design steel boxcar and the USRA SS/DS boxcars and you'll
see what I mean.

Unfortunately, there's not as good a stand-in for the lower cars.
The Walthers/Train-Miniature single-sheathed boxcar with "braced"
ends gives you the right proportions and also has Z-section truss
members, but you'll need to modify the underframe to get rid of the
fishbelly and correct the kingpin-striker distance to 5 feet, modify
the doors to get rid of the oversized door tracks and "claws", and
the roof is incorect. You can conceivably replace the roof with the
Hutchins roof from any Accurail single-sheathed boxcar, but it's up
to you to decide whether or not that approaches the point of
diminishing returns.


Ben Hom

128961 - 128980 of 197031