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Re: wow what's that. - Re: Great photos

rfederle@...
 

It appears that small track is used for, as you say, loading and unloading. There is cart in a part of the photo that has some lumber on it so I would assume that it would be used for bringing lumber for cribbing and shoring up loads. In the reverse the carts could be used for clearing away scrap lumber and / or other heavy items not otherwise easily tranported away.

Just my opinions and observations.

Robert Federle
---- Ned Carey <nedspam@...> wrote:


http://www.shorpy.com/node/1605?size=_original

Note what appears to be one foot gauge track between the NYC gon and the net
track! You can see it in other parts of the photo even a little cart on it.
I presume to help loading and unloading.

I also find it interesting to see the dramatic difference in weathering of
the rail. Some is bright orange rust, most is a grimy black color.

Ned Carey


wow what's that. - Re: Great photos

benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
 

Ned Carey wrote:
http://www.shorpy.com/node/1605?size=_original

"Note what appears to be one foot gauge track between the NYC gon and
the net track! You can see it in other parts of the photo even a
little cart on it. I presume to help loading and unloading."

I don't think that these are team tracks; they're more likely rip
tracks. I've seen photos of other rip tracks with a similar
arrangement used to help move parts and material.


Ben Hom


wow what's that. - Re: Great photos

Ned Carey <nedspam@...>
 

http://www.shorpy.com/node/1605?size=_original

Note what appears to be one foot gauge track between the NYC gon and the net
track! You can see it in other parts of the photo even a little cart on it. I presume to help loading and unloading.

I also find it interesting to see the dramatic difference in weathering of
the rail. Some is bright orange rust, most is a grimy black color.

Ned Carey


Re: Great photos

Jack Burgess <jack@...>
 


http://www.shorpy.com/node/1859?size=_original

http://www.shorpy.com/node/1605?size=_original

SGL
La vita e breve, mangiate prima il dolce!
That Muncie & Wester "Ball Line" box car sure stands out in this yard on the
second photo!

Jack Burgess
www.yosemitevalleyrr.com


Re: Great photos - grain doors

Ned Carey <nedspam@...>
 

Thanks to Scott Pitzer for the original link.

Schuyler beat me to it by posting two Jack Delano links. Most of us already know of the Jack Delano photos in the Library of Congress but I like this site as it is easy to navigate via the previews of Jack's photos. Even though I have seen them before, I am still in awe everytime I see them again.

Schuyler's posted this link
http://www.shorpy.com/node/1859?size=_original

Note the GN boxcar in the forground. It has what appears to be remnants of a grain door. Can someone explain this to me? Is this the door in normal use, i.e. some of the door shows while the car is carrying grain? Alternatively is this a case of the door has been used in the past and remnants of the door remain, simply no one bothered to remove them. I think this would be a terrific detail to model.

Ned Carey


Great photos

Schuyler Larrabee
 


Re: Photo of reefers c. 1911 including "Swift Premium Hams"

Westerfield <westerfield@...>
 

On the site look for Death Avenue 2, another view of 11th Ave. that shows much more of the neighborhood including gas lamps. - Al Westerfield


Re: Photo of reefers c. 1911 including "Swift Premium Hams"

Brian Paul Ehni <behni@...>
 

Disregard; sometimes I'm an idiot.

Great find!
--
Thanks!

Brian Ehni



From: Scott Pitzer <scottp459@...>
Reply-To: <STMFC@...>
Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 07:06:00 -0000
To: <STMFC@...>
Subject: [STMFC] Photo of reefers c. 1911 including "Swift Premium Hams"





On NYC West Side Line (with horse-mounted flagman)
http://www.shorpy.com/node/1787
Look for "Full Size" option.
(You can spend a lot of time at Shorpy.com)

Scott Pitzer


Re: Photo of reefers c. 1911 including "Swift Premium Hams"

Brian Paul Ehni <behni@...>
 

Did you click on the ³Full Size² option?
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Thanks!

Brian Ehni



From: Scott Pitzer <scottp459@...>
Reply-To: <STMFC@...>
Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 07:06:00 -0000
To: <STMFC@...>
Subject: [STMFC] Photo of reefers c. 1911 including "Swift Premium Hams"





On NYC West Side Line (with horse-mounted flagman)
http://www.shorpy.com/node/1787
Look for "Full Size" option.
(You can spend a lot of time at Shorpy.com)

Scott Pitzer


Odds and Ends Before Santa Arrives

smason22000 <smason2@...>
 

Hi folks,

Just a couple of reminders before the month gets too old.

If you've got a DVD on your Christmas list, and you'd like to make sure it's under the tree
on Christmas morning, please, make sure your order in placed no later than December
18th. All DVD order received before 3:00 p.m. will go in that days' mail. Generally, it takes
the USPS about 3-4 days to delivery a DVD anywhere in the U.S. Now is a perfect time to
bring your collection up to date. I have produced three new DVD's this year, so please
check out my website.

Also, the December Scotty Mason Show Podcast, featuring interviews with Dave Frary and
Don Railton, will be out next week. We're still trying to get caught up after the Craftsman
Structure Show, and are slowly working our way back to our normal production schedule.
If you haven't listened to our show yet, you can access it through my website, or through
the I-Tunes Store. It's free.

Speaking of the Craftsman Structure Show, plans are underway for CSS08, which will be
held on November 13th, 14th and 15th at the Holiday Inn in Mansfield, MA. Registration is
now being accepted, and rooms are filling up. Don't miss out on another great event. Go
to our website: www.css08.com for more information.

Lastly, I'd like to thank everyone for your support this year. DVD sales have skyrocketed,
the Scotty Mason Show averages better than 17,000 downloads each month, and the
Craftsman Structure Show was a huge success. I, and those associated with these things,
owe that to you.

Thank you,

Scott Mason
www.scottymason.com


Re: Great photos - grain doors

Guy Wilber
 

In a message dated 12/15/2007 10:39:52 AM Central Standard Time,
nedspam@... writes:

Is this the door in normal use, i.e. some of the door shows while the car is
carrying grain? Alternatively is this a case of the door has been used in
the past and remnants of the door remain, simply no one bothered to remove
them. I think this would be a terrific detail to model.

Neither, it's simply an example of a freight car door "papered" to keep out
the elements. Grain doors weren't visible once the door was shut though many
of those car doors would have been sealed in the same fashion.

Additionally, during the period of this photo; most, if not all, grain doors
would have been constructed of pre-assembled wood varieties.

Regards,

Guy Wilber
West Bend, WI









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Re: Odds and Ends Before Santa Arrives

Greg Martin
 

Hey Mike,


I think this Scott Mason guys could use a little Jail time...

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Photo of reefers c. 1911 including "Swift Premium Hams"

Scott Pitzer
 

On NYC West Side Line (with horse-mounted flagman)
http://www.shorpy.com/node/1787
Look for "Full Size" option.
(You can spend a lot of time at Shorpy.com)

Scott Pitzer


Re: HO scale EJ&E Box Car decals

Rob & Bev Manley
 

Elden,
I have one of the split Orange & Green cars. I think Desplaines Hobbies did that as a custom run. 1952 eh? I thought that would have been a later 50's scheme.
Rob Manley

----- Original Message -----
From: Gatwood, Elden J SAD
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 6:32 AM
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Re: HO scale EJ&E Box Car decals


Rob;

Thanks very much for all the info!

I will look for that set. I was reading a few of the references, and saw one
that said the split green-over-orange scheme with billboard EJ&E and the
banner herald on the left was introduced in 1952, which would be a great set
for a lot of modelers, but you look through the decal catalogs and offerings,
and it is amazing how many pretty common, or at least popular, box car scheme
have not been done (at least well), in comparison with all these oddball
one-of-a-kind schemes that folks have done.

One could make a sideline out of doing good decals for things like the
numerous B&O, EJ&E, NYC, PRR, RI, WAB classes (and other RRs), that have not
been done, particularly if one were to build the car and present it in a
magazine (and get everyone drooling).

Thanks again,

Elden Gatwood

________________________________

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of
Robert MANLEY
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 4:42 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: HO scale EJ&E Box Car decals

Elden,
Walthers also had a "one size fits all" set of freightcar decals. I can't
remember exactly what they had in thier set but I remember it didn't have the
Jumbo EJ&E or the correct single line version of thier herald. They also
looked like they were rubber stamped. I was going to letter up a Robins Rail
PS 50'er. Oh well, out of era anyway.
Try Larsen Hobbies in New Lenox, IL for anything J,except the 3 mini-kits I
bought him.

Happy Modeling,
Rob Manley

----- Original Message ----
From: "Gatwood, Elden J SAD" <Elden.J.Gatwood@...
<mailto:Elden.J.Gatwood%40sad01.usace.army.mil> >
To: STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 1:59:46 PM
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Re: HO scale EJ&E Box Car decals

Rob;

Thanks very much for the reply!

I now realize that in my haste, I was not very clear about what I was looking
for, which is the decals in HO for the lettering schemes following the bigger
"map" herald of which you speak (and which Sunshine provided in their
mini-kit and old EJ&E USRA steel rebuild).

The ones I specifically would like to find are the large billboard letter
schemes in either orange on green over orange, or vice versa, the earlier of
which has the small "around not thru.." banner herald, And the latter ones of
which only have the big billboard letters.

There are a number of pictures of these cool schemes, but unless you have a
mini-kit or like to bash things (shorty 8-foot Superior door...ends. ..body)
you would not have an accurate car.

Perhaps these guys just have never been done...

B&LE did a lot of coil shipment on pallets in these 8' door box cars, like
the P&WV with its AC&F 8'-door cars, and I would also be interested in who
else might have done this.

Thanks for looking into it!

Elden Gatwood

____________ _________ _________ __

From: STMFC@yahoogroups. com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Rob
Manley
Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 4:26 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups. com
Subject: [STMFC] Re: HO scale EJ&E Box Car decals

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups. com <mailto:STMFC% 40yahoogroups. com> , "Gatwood,
Elden J SAD "
<Elden.J.Gatwood@ ...> wrote:
>
Eldon,
Sunshine did these cars as a mini kit in both the boxcar red and
Green w/ Orange lettering schemes. There is a model brown car on the
STMFC site. I heard Martin doesn't sell the mini kits through the
mail but I saw quite a few of them at Naperville this past year.You
get new ends, sill,door and frame parts to upgrade a Branchline car.

Happy Hunting,
Rob Manley

.> Guys;
>
>
>
> Does anyone know of a source for (good) HO decals for EJ&E box
cars in the
> 1952+ orange and green billboard schemes? Particularly the 10' IH
8' door 40
> footers?
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Elden Gatwood
>
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>
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Request for VGN hopper photos

bongiovanni12001
 

Tried this on the Virginian group without success. Working on a clinic
for the NWHS convention next year. Are there any photos out there of a)
the 70 ton H-5 three bay hoppers after they were rebuilt into the three
"standard" door configuration(center bay originally had clamshell
doors), b)the 50 ton twin H-11 when they were still in the 5 panel
configuration. Got the diagrams in the TLC Virginian equipment
reprints, but would like to have some pictures. Credit will be given.
Thanks in advance.

Frank Bongiovanni
bongiovanni1@...


Re: Request for VGN hopper photos

Charles Hladik
 

Frank,
Try _http://imagebase.lib.vt.edu/_ (http://imagebase.lib.vt.edu/) and
search Virginian Railway. I don't know if what you want is there but.........
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Re: Request for VGN hopper photos

Charles Hladik
 

Frank,
Virginia Tech (Virginia Polytechnic Institute {VPI} has a web site that
has a lot of N&W info and I think some Virginian. I will try to find the
address and send it on to you.
Chuck Hladik
Rutland Railroad
Virginia Division



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Intermountain FGEX car

Don Worthy
 

Hey group,
I know that the IM car is a "rebuilt" version and the cars that I had earlier purchased were numbered correctly in the 57xxx series (going by Bill W's information)

The other day my hobby man sent me another car. It is numbered 33xxx, although. I'm thinking that this number is incorrect for this version (again I'm looking at Bill's info)

Did IM make a boo boo or I'm I missing something in Bill W's information???

This car has the "later" paint scheme (only has Refrigerator) and my other cars have the earlier scheme. Which, again, makes me think that this car would have been renumbered to the 56 or 57xxx numbers.

Thanks ya'll and Merry Christmas
Don Worthy
Ivey, Ga.


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Re: ORER abbreviation question

destron@...
 

Atlantic Coast Despatch.

Frank Valoczy
Vancouver, BC

Hi Folks

What do the initials "A.C.D." stand for? They appear in the
description of an ACL ventilator car series in the 1953 ORER, page 3,
line 32, series 43735-44234. The full description (under the column
heading "Markings and Kind of Cars") reads: ' " Ventilated. Steel
Underfrm., A.C.D. ' This is for a class VM series.

While there is just this one occurrence in the 1953 ORER, six of eight
descriptions of the ACL VM series in the 1938 ORER have "A.C.D."
appended to "Steel Underframe".

Thanks,
Larry Ostresh
Laramie, Wyoming




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ORER abbreviation question

laramielarry <ostresh@...>
 

Hi Folks

What do the initials "A.C.D." stand for? They appear in the
description of an ACL ventilator car series in the 1953 ORER, page 3,
line 32, series 43735-44234. The full description (under the column
heading "Markings and Kind of Cars") reads: ' " Ventilated. Steel
Underfrm., A.C.D. ' This is for a class VM series.

While there is just this one occurrence in the 1953 ORER, six of eight
descriptions of the ACL VM series in the 1938 ORER have "A.C.D."
appended to "Steel Underframe".

Thanks,
Larry Ostresh
Laramie, Wyoming

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