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Re: TOFC

Tim O'Connor
 

Although not 100% accurate, Missouri Pacific had some 50 foot flat
cars (not 53'6") with 13 stake pockets, some of which were converted
for TOFC service and lasted into the 1970's. If you remove the
side-mount brake stand from the Athearn model it can serve as a
reasonable stand-in.

Tim O'Connor

At 12/16/2007 03:23 PM Sunday, you wrote:
James Fellows wrote:
While perhaps just outside the 1960 cut of this list Athearn is
currently selling 50' flats with 40' trailers. Con Cor in the past
has also sold RTR 50' cars with trailers.
These are okay if you don't mind that the Athearn flat has no
protoype.

Tony Thompson


Re: HO scale EJ&E Box Car decals

Gatwood, Elden J SAD <Elden.J.Gatwood@...>
 

Rob;



Thanks for the info! I will look for one.



I was also surprised about the 1952 date. It seems awfully early for such a
colorful scheme. I will keep after this and let you know what I find.



Thanks,



Elden





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Manley
Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2007 12:31 AM
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Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: HO scale EJ&E Box Car decals



Elden,
I have one of the split Orange & Green cars. I think Desplaines Hobbies did
that as a custom run. 1952 eh? I thought that would have been a later 50's
scheme.
Rob Manley

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Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 6:32 AM
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Re: HO scale EJ&E Box Car decals

Rob;

Thanks very much for all the info!

I will look for that set. I was reading a few of the references, and saw one
that said the split green-over-orange scheme with billboard EJ&E and the
banner herald on the left was introduced in 1952, which would be a great set
for a lot of modelers, but you look through the decal catalogs and offerings,
and it is amazing how many pretty common, or at least popular, box car scheme
have not been done (at least well), in comparison with all these oddball
one-of-a-kind schemes that folks have done.

One could make a sideline out of doing good decals for things like the
numerous B&O, EJ&E, NYC, PRR, RI, WAB classes (and other RRs), that have not
been done, particularly if one were to build the car and present it in a
magazine (and get everyone drooling).

Thanks again,

Elden Gatwood

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Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: HO scale EJ&E Box Car decals

Elden,
Walthers also had a "one size fits all" set of freightcar decals. I can't
remember exactly what they had in thier set but I remember it didn't have the
Jumbo EJ&E or the correct single line version of thier herald. They also
looked like they were rubber stamped. I was going to letter up a Robins Rail
PS 50'er. Oh well, out of era anyway.
Try Larsen Hobbies in New Lenox, IL for anything J,except the 3 mini-kits I
bought him.

Happy Modeling,
Rob Manley

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<mailto:Elden.J.Gatwood%40sad01.usace.army.mil> >
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<mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 1:59:46 PM
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Re: HO scale EJ&E Box Car decals

Rob;

Thanks very much for the reply!

I now realize that in my haste, I was not very clear about what I was looking
for, which is the decals in HO for the lettering schemes following the bigger
"map" herald of which you speak (and which Sunshine provided in their
mini-kit and old EJ&E USRA steel rebuild).

The ones I specifically would like to find are the large billboard letter
schemes in either orange on green over orange, or vice versa, the earlier of
which has the small "around not thru.." banner herald, And the latter ones of
which only have the big billboard letters.

There are a number of pictures of these cool schemes, but unless you have a
mini-kit or like to bash things (shorty 8-foot Superior door...ends. ..body)
you would not have an accurate car.

Perhaps these guys just have never been done...

B&LE did a lot of coil shipment on pallets in these 8' door box cars, like
the P&WV with its AC&F 8'-door cars, and I would also be interested in who
else might have done this.

Thanks for looking into it!

Elden Gatwood

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Manley
Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 4:26 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups. com
Subject: [STMFC] Re: HO scale EJ&E Box Car decals

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups. com <mailto:STMFC% 40yahoogroups. com> , "Gatwood,
Elden J SAD "
<Elden.J.Gatwood@ ...> wrote:
Eldon,
Sunshine did these cars as a mini kit in both the boxcar red and
Green w/ Orange lettering schemes. There is a model brown car on the
STMFC site. I heard Martin doesn't sell the mini kits through the
mail but I saw quite a few of them at Naperville this past year.You
get new ends, sill,door and frame parts to upgrade a Branchline car.

Happy Hunting,
Rob Manley

.> Guys;



Does anyone know of a source for (good) HO decals for EJ&E box
cars in the
1952+ orange and green billboard schemes? Particularly the 10' IH
8' door 40
footers?



Thanks,



Elden Gatwood







Re: TOFC

cabincar2834 <cwilson@...>
 

--- In STMFC@..., "joel norman" <mec-bml@...> wrote:

GENTLEMAN: For our modeling time frame(my own railroad is set in Maine
1960))which of the ready to run(bad hands and weak eyes)in HO would be
the best 50 ft(or 60ft)flat car for TOFC use...
Thanks
Joel Norman... Eastern Maine Rly
A couple of references to check out:
Morning Sun, Northern New England Color Guide to Freight and Passenger Equipment
1) pages 22 and 25. Photos of BAR refrigerated trailers, one on a rebuilt BAR flatcar.
2) page 34. BM 5205. A 50-foot TOFC flatcar
3) page 37. B&M TOFC trailer
4) page 53. MEC TOFC trailer
Morning Sun, BAR in Color. page 103. A pair of BAR TOFC trailers on a TTX flatcar.
(Athearn offers these in this BAR scheme)

There are other references too if you do some searching for BAR photos. I found one of
the later BAR trailers on a 50-foot (ex-PRR) Trailer Train flatcar.

I have done models of a few of this for a friend who models Maine/New Hampshire in the
late 1950's/early 1960's. The 50-foot TTX cars can be done from the Bowser F30 kit.
This is a great option for someone modeling this era and doesn't want to run the long TTX
cars on tighter curves. The B&M TOFC flatcar was quite easy to do (you could just reletter
one of the old Revell/Con-Cor TOFC flatcars). The BAR TOFC flatcar was extensively
kitbashed from a Life-Like 53-foot gon (a very involved project). Athearn offers the BAR
trailer and I have built one of the BAR refrigerated trailers and one MEC trailer as well.

Microscale makes a decal set for the TTX flatcars which includes data for the F30 50-foot
cars. I used CDS N-scale sets to get the small heralds needed for the BAR and B&M
flatcars. Also, Don Haffield makes decals for a lot of TOFC trailers. Try searching for his
name or check out the greatdecals website. Someone on this list may have a direct url for
him. Feel free to chime in with other suggestions.

Craig Wilson
who can't resist a modeling project challenge


Re: Santa Fe car spotters

Todd Stearns <toddsyr@...>
 

That's the first thing I noticed in that photo too! I remember the "Sherman Hill discussion" well and figured it was best left for you guys to comment on it!

Todd K. Stearns

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To: STMFC@...
Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2007 4:21 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Santa Fe car spotters


The more important question is what is that right behind the tender?? If it's on its way to California, will it be routed home over Sherman Hill?<VBG>

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, Oregon

-----Original Message-----
From: jerryglow2 <jerryglow@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 7:44 pm
Subject: [STMFC] Santa Fe car spotters

What is the car on the right of this photo:
http://www.shorpy.com/node/626?size=_original

The first few digits of the car number are not visible and I'm not
familar enough with SF cars to ID it.

TIA
Jerry Glow

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Re: Santa Fe car spotters

Frederick Freitas <prrinvt@...>
 

GUYZ,

This is why we "never say never" about prototype operations. I'm confident that a poster size copy of this photo will be prominently display in Coco Beach next month!
Nice find Rick

Fred Freitas

richtownsend@... wrote:
The more important question is what is that right behind the tender?? If it's on its way to California, will it be routed home over Sherman Hill?<VBG>

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, Oregon

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To: STMFC@...
Sent: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 7:44 pm
Subject: [STMFC] Santa Fe car spotters

What is the car on the right of this photo:
http://www.shorpy.com/node/626?size=_original

The first few digits of the car number are not visible and I'm not
familar enough with SF cars to ID it.

TIA
Jerry Glow

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Re: Boxcar details and paint, series GN 20500-21449

gn3397 <heninger@...>
 

--- In STMFC@..., "Mark Heiden" <mark_heiden@...> wrote:

Hello everyone,

I'm looking for some construction and paint information regarding
some Great Northern 40ft steel boxcars, series GN 20500-21449. A
prototype photo of GN 20971 is available at:

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/gn/gn20971bkg.jpg

My questions are:

1. What sort of running boards were these cars built with?
Well, the car diagram I have for these cars (dated 1968) lists the running boards as
"metal", which is less than adequate for your purposes. Close comparison of the photo of
20971 as well as the photos of 20918 and 20615 reproduced on page 42 of the GN Equip.
Pictorial Vol. 1 by Thompson seems to indicate the series was equipped with Apex Tri-Lok
running boards. Perhaps other manufacturer's products were used as well, but I can't be
sure.

2. What sort of brake wheels were these cars equipped with?
Universal, with what appears to be the model M1602A hand wheel, which is shown
to good advantage in photos in RP CYC, Vol. 10, page 48.

3. Did the entire series have Superior doors?
Yes, that is specified for the entire series on the car diagram. The door on 20971
appears to have been repaired and repainted, but it does match the five panel Superior
doors on 20918 and 20615.

4. Were ASF A-3 Ride Control trucks used on the entire series?
Yes.

5. When were these cars built? I have seen both 1951 and 1952 listed.
The car diagram states 1952, the photo of 20918 shows "BLT. 9-1952" stenciled on
its side.

6. Having been built in the early 1950s, I am guessing that GN 20971
is still in it's original paint. Is there a good decal set for this
scheme? Right now, Champ BRH-31 looks good.
Yes, the car is in the as built paint scheme. Champ's BRH-31 set will accurately
letter the cars.

Hope this helps, and if anyone else has more definitive information on the running boards,
I would like to hear it as well. Thanks.

Sincerely,
Robert D. Heninger
Stanley, ND


Re: Boxcar details and paint, series GN 20500-21449

Steve Haas
 

Mark,

Here's some info that may help you out:

3) All in this series had the 5 panel Superior Door.
5) Build date for series 20500 - 21499 is 1952.
6) Yup - that's original paint. Consider also Microscale 87-185.

For references:

Mainline Modeler - 9/85, 11/2001, 12/2001
RMJ - 10/1998

IIRC, the Mainline articles are your better bet - the RMJ article was mostly
about a Duane Buck customization of an Intermountain 10' 12 panel car, but
might have had photos of the 10' 6" car.

Best starting point - C&BT 10'6" 12-panel car* with 4/3/1 ends. Throw away
the details and replace with appropriate details from Plano, Branchline,
etc.

* At some point in the past there was discussion of Branchline bringing out
a 10' 6" 12-panel car. I'm not aware of this happening, but if it did, it
might well be a better choice.


Ping me if you need more.

Best regards,

Steve Haas
Sammamish, WA


Sunshine tractors

jerryglow2
 

Were there instructions with this kit? If so I lost mine packing to
move and just took it out and am at a loss to complete it (them). If
anyone has instructions, could you do a good scan and email it? Contact
me off list.

Jerry Glow


Re: Santa Fe car spotters

Mike Brock <brockm@...>
 

Richard Townsend notes:

"The more important question is what is that right behind the tender?? If it's on its way to California, will it be routed home over Sherman Hill?<VBG>"

A rather famous...er...infamous photo. Me thinks it might be more likely that...given the tendency to doubt the very existance of the car behind the tender...it just might be that the locomotive might itself be lost and the scene is, in reality, somewhere in the vicinity of...weell...Roanoke, VA.

Mike Brock...ducking from incoming...


Boxcar details and paint, series GN 20500-21449

Mark Heiden
 

Hello everyone,

I'm looking for some construction and paint information regarding
some Great Northern 40ft steel boxcars, series GN 20500-21449. A
prototype photo of GN 20971 is available at:

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/gn/gn20971bkg.jpg

My questions are:

1. What sort of running boards were these cars built with?

2. What sort of brake wheels were these cars equipped with?

3. Did the entire series have Superior doors?

4. Were ASF A-3 Ride Control trucks used on the entire series?

5. When were these cars built? I have seen both 1951 and 1952 listed.

6. Having been built in the early 1950s, I am guessing that GN 20971
is still in it's original paint. Is there a good decal set for this
scheme? Right now, Champ BRH-31 looks good.

As always, any help is greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Mark Heiden


Re: Fe vs. Bx was:Santa Fe car spotters

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Dec 16, 2007, at 3:18 PM, Kurt Laughlin wrote:

What was the distinction the ATSF made between Box and Furniture cars
- double doors?
Yes. Well, literally, larger cars with larger door openings, though in
the period most of us are interested in that meant 1-1/2 or double door
cars with auxiliary doors. The Fe- classification was abandoned in the
early 1970s because by that time most new box cars had plug doors with
wide door openings. The last Fe- class cars, the Fe-42s, were built in
1969.

Richard Hendrickson


Fe vs. Bx was:Santa Fe car spotters

Kurt Laughlin <fleeta@...>
 

What was the distinction the ATSF made between Box and Furniture cars - double doors?

KL


New S scale group formed

Jim King
 

A gathering of approximately 18 S scale modelers met for the first time
yesterday at ETSU in Johnson City, TN. Our common interest is S scale
modeling (not hi-rail), including Sn2, Sn3 and Sn42, though there was no
attendee modeling the latter (that I know of). Among the group were three
manufacturers from this region. All of us are from western NC and eastern
TN.



Following lunch-on-your-own and 4 clinics/speakers, including very
informative history lessons about the city's 3 RR's, how to make simple
conifer trees and a quick 'n simple application for el-cheapo white LEDs
from Walmart, we toured the under-restoration ex-Clinchfield freight station
and former ET&WNC "Union Station", still active as the "Free Service tire
center" since 1954. We then gathered back at ETSU for a wrap up, Q&A
session, then adjourned with the promise to continue similar gatherings.



We welcome anyone modeling in S scale, regardless of gauge, living within an
approximate 2-hour driving radius from Johnson City or Knoxville who's
interested in exchanging modeling ideas and/or attending layout operating
sessions, to contact me off-list for info about the group. If you live
farther than the "2-hour circle" we'll certainly not exclude you but
traveling to/from a day-long meeting may be challenging. We encourage folks
from Chattanooga, northeast Georgia, middle Tennessee, southwest Virginia
and southern Kentucky to attend. However, the goal is to remain essentially
centered within the Asheville/Johnson City/Knoxville triangle as that's
where the core group seems to reside.



The group's name is Blue Ridge "S"calers.



Next meeting location (about 6 months from now) will be in the Knoxville/Oak
Ridge, TN area.



We do not plan to have officers or "agendas"; we will rely on member clinics
and operating sessions on member layouts. We have also discussed touring
railroads in the area to better understand modeling such areas, regional
history or just having an outing with like-minded modelers. While modeling
is a major goal, properly understanding the prototype is key to duplicating
it in scale, so 1:1 scale tours are also of interest.



No dues are required but, depending on location, we may need to chip in to
cover room/building rental, etc. for a specific meet.



We plan to meet at least twice a year in one of three target locations:
Johnson City, Knoxville and Asheville/Hendersonville.



Communication will be via email. Friends of yours without email access are
also welcomed but you'll need to get meeting info, etc. to them or have them
snail-mail contact info, including a phone number to me so as to not be
excluded from future communication. Or you can forward this contact info to
me off-list and I'll tabulate with the group. Phone calls will be the
primary communication method for non-emailers.



Those in attendance feel we can grow the group to between 35 and 45 in short
order simply by spreading the word on email lists and amongst our friends.
While it's almost a certainty that we won't have that number of folks
attending each meet, we can comfortably handle 20-25 each time . but NO ONE
will be turned away (an advance "I'll be there" notice is required to ensure
we have adequate meeting room space).



Speaking for the group, I encourage each of you living in this area of the
U.S. to consider joining us on our next meet sometime in early Summer. The
group can ONLY be as diverse and informative as those in attendance. It's a
GREAT way to meet other scalers too.



Jim King

Smoky Mountain Model Works, Inc.

www.smokymountainmodelworks.com


Re: Santa Fe car spotters

Richard Townsend
 

The more important question is what is that right behind the tender?? If it's on its way to California, will it be routed home over Sherman Hill?<VBG>


Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, Oregon

-----Original Message-----
From: jerryglow2 <jerryglow@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 7:44 pm
Subject: [STMFC] Santa Fe car spotters






What is the car on the right of this photo:
http://www.shorpy.com/node/626?size=_original

The first few digits of the car number are not visible and I'm not
familar enough with SF cars to ID it.

TIA
Jerry Glow





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Re: TOFC

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

James Fellows wrote:
While perhaps just outside the 1960 cut of this list Athearn is currently selling 50' flats with 40' trailers. Con Cor in the past has also sold RTR 50' cars with trailers.
These are okay if you don't mind that the Athearn flat has no protoype.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
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Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: TOFC

James Fellows
 

While perhaps just outside the 1960 cut of this list Athearn is currently selling 50' flats with 40' trailers. Con Cor in the past has also sold RTR 50' cars with trailers.

Jim Fellows

----- Original Message -----
From: benjaminfrank_hom
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2007 12:06 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: TOFC


Peter Ness wrote:
"The best stab I can take at an answer to RTR TOFC would be some of
the older (OOP?) Walthers TOFC cars."

Excellent choice; unfortunately, these have not been offered in RTR to
date, which doesn't answer Joel's question.

Ben Hom


Re: ORER abbreviation question

Stokes John
 

"Despatch," older spelling, same as "dispatch," current usage, means simply "to send off or out promptly, usually on a specific errand or official business," or as a noun, "efficient speed; promptness," according to my dictionary. The Spanish and Old French spelling had an "e" while the Italian uses an "i". The term was apparently in vogue in the late 19th and early 20th centuries in railroading for obvious reasons.

John Stokes
Bellevue, WA


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i have seen "despatch" applied to railroad names as A.C.D. and to rolling stock. what is the origin and use?of "despatch" within railroading?? thanks Jim Young@...>To: STMFC@...: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 3:19 amSubject: [STMFC] Re: ORER abbreviation questionThanks to Lou Whiteley and Frank Valoczy for explaining that A.C.D. is an abbreviation for Atlantic Coast Despatch.Best wishes, Larry OstreshLaramie, Wyoming__________________________________________________________More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com


Re: ORER abbreviation question

estcbq@...
 

i have seen "despatch" applied to railroad names as A.C.D. and to rolling stock. what is the origin and use?of "despatch" within railroading?? thanks Jim Young



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To: STMFC@...
Sent: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 3:19 am
Subject: [STMFC] Re: ORER abbreviation question






Thanks to Lou Whiteley and Frank Valoczy for explaining that A.C.D. is
an abbreviation for Atlantic Coast Despatch.

Best wishes,
Larry Ostresh
Laramie, Wyoming





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Re: TOFC

benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
 

Peter Ness wrote:
"The best stab I can take at an answer to RTR TOFC would be some of
the older (OOP?) Walthers TOFC cars."

Excellent choice; unfortunately, these have not been offered in RTR to
date, which doesn't answer Joel's question.


Ben Hom


Re: TOFC

Peter Ness
 

Hi;

This is my first post to this group, so I hope I abide by the
netiquette rules...

First, hosam never did recieve much of an actual reply to his
original
question....

hosam,

Your question probably received mixed responses in part because your
subject was "TOFC", which actually drew me to read the entire
thread. TOFC by definition is "Trailer on Flat Car", so your subject
combined with your question about trucks on flat cars is a bit
misleading. having said that...

Very briefly, C&NW is generally attributed with the first regularly
scheduled TOFC service ca. 1932. The New Haven began regular TOFC
service between Boston and NYC (Harlem River Yard) ca. 1937. Both
railroads used flat cars specically modified to carry trailers ( a
variety of jack stands, chocks and tie-down chains) in transit
between loading docks built specifically for the "circus-style"
loading and unloading trailers. Other railroads may have used
limited service this early but these two had trains in regularly
scheduled year-round service, hence are attributed as "early
intermodal" operations.

Jumping to hosam's original question about "trucks", which I am
interpreting to mean tractors - the motorized vehicle that hauls a
trailer - in addition to circus trains (which were special
movements), during the period surrounding WWII, military vehicles,
including trucks, were transported around the country on a regular
basis. Usually, the vehicles were loaded and secured to standard
flats, not flats specifically designed for TOFC use, the movements
fit the description of "trucks" moved on flatcars. In the post-WWII
era, in preparation for Civil Defense in the infancy of the Nuclear
Age, there were also special movements of trucks - fire fighting
apparatus in particular - that were loaded on general service flats
for movements during drills. In one case, the New Haven ran such a
train in CT, with the submarine base in Groton being the
reported "disaster site". Other than those times, in the contiguous
US, loading of tractor and trailer together on a flat would not fit
the regularly accepted definition of a TOFC operation, although I am
sure there is much photographic evidence to show the movement of
tractor-trailers on flat cars for specific reasons. In fact, some
very
early (pre-TOFC?) movements did include tractors with trailers when
trailer length rarely exceeded 24'.

Back to TOFC history; in the 1950's Piggy Back Inc. began operations,
the Pennsy began TrucTrain operations, and later the Trailer Train
consortium began operations. The ACF standard hitches were developed
and led to standization in TOFC operations to support rail car
interchange among railroads. That, in general takes us to the end of
the time period of interest to this group.

Joel, I am sorry I cannot provide specific information to answer your
question. To the best of my knowledge, B&M was possibly the only
railroad to provide TOFC operations to Maine. I do know the B&M had
trailers. It is possible there was interchange of TOFC cars from New
Haven to B&M via trains M-6 and M-7 (Maine Bullet) in Worcester, MA.
Also possible for such interchange at Worcester with Train N-1. I
have no knowldege of possible TOFC operations on MEC or BAR. You
might check the B&M Railroad Historical Society web site for possible
information regarding TOFC movements in ME.

The best stab I can take at an answer to RTR TOFC would be some of
the older (OOP?) Walthers TOFC cars. By the early-mid '60's, the 85'
and longer TOFC cars were making inroads in New England, and were
already in much more prevalent use in the rest of the contiguous US.

Regards,
Peter
http://www.freewebs.com/newhavenrailroad1959/



--- In STMFC@..., "joel norman" <mec-bml@...> wrote:

GENTLEMAN: For our modeling time frame(my own railroad is set in
Maine
1960))which of the ready to run(bad hands and weak eyes)in HO would
be
the best 50 ft(or 60ft)flat car for TOFC use...
Thanks
Joel Norman... Eastern Maine Rly

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