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Re: Sunshine tractors

Rob Adams
 

Hi Jerry;

I just saw your message. I can help you out with this if you still need help. It may be a day or two before I can get to it, but I know I have two of those kits waiting for me to work on them and can copy you whatever instructions are with them.

Kind regards, Rob Adams


jerryglow2 wrote:


Were there instructions with this kit? If so I lost mine packing to
move and just took it out and am at a loss to complete it (them). If
anyone has instructions, could you do a good scan and email it? Contact
me off list.

Jerry Glow







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Re: N&W Hopper

rockroll50401 <cepropst@...>
 

Beings I bought a BLI N&W hopper at Trainfest and because the car is
right behind the engine the car will be transferred to the M&StL at
Nemo IL.
Clark Propst


Re: N&W Hopper... and western hoppers in the eastern US

Gatwood, Elden J SAD <Elden.J.Gatwood@...>
 

Guys;



Well, the reverse can certainly be shown to be true. I was just looking at
some of my slides, and there, once again, is a SP hopper, on a small branch
of the PRR. These SP and ATSF hoppers show up often enough to be a
continuing source of interest for me.



On digging out more of my discussion notes, I came across some I had written
up several years ago on additives, as was curious if you all could ID what
roads they might have been generated on, and what types of cars they might
have been shipped in.



Soda Ash, calcium carbide, silica sand, fluorspar (spar)?



I have gotten some great feedback from some of you on some other minerals,
but these seem to be of wider origin, and found at several locations within
the US, so might be more difficult to track.



Any idea of why those hoppers show up in the east would be much appreciated!



Elden Gatwood







________________________________

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of
Richard Hendrickson
Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 12:16 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] N&W Hopper



On Dec 17, 2007, at 1:04 AM, Frederick Freitas wrote:

GUYZ,

This is why we "never say never" about prototype operations. I'm
confident that a poster size copy of this photo will be prominently
display in Coco Beach next month!
Nice find Rick

Fred Freitas

richtownsend@... <mailto:richtownsend%40netscape.net> wrote:
The more important question is what is that right behind the tender??
If it's on its way to California, will it be routed home over Sherman
Hill?<VBG>
Calm down, guys, and remember that the Santa Fe main lines were well
over 2,000 miles long. Had the photo been taken in San Bernardino or
Los Angeles, that might justify some excitement. However, that N&W
hopper was in Chicago, a very long way from Sherman Hill or the Santa
Fe's Coast Lines. It was probably en route to somewhere east of, or
not very far beyond, Kansas City. It almost certainly was NOT going to
any place west of Belen or La Junta. Delano shot many photos on his
trip from Chicago to Los Angeles on the Santa Fe, and IIRC none of the
rest of them show any eastern RR hopper cars.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: diluting Barge contact cement

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Jim;
MEK is also available from Home Depot in the paint department.

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Re: N&W Hopper

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Dec 17, 2007, at 1:04 AM, Frederick Freitas wrote:

GUYZ,

This is why we "never say never" about prototype operations. I'm
confident that a poster size copy of this photo will be prominently
display in Coco Beach next month!
Nice find Rick

Fred Freitas

richtownsend@... wrote:
The more important question is what is that right behind the tender??
If it's on its way to California, will it be routed home over Sherman
Hill?<VBG>
Calm down, guys, and remember that the Santa Fe main lines were well
over 2,000 miles long. Had the photo been taken in San Bernardino or
Los Angeles, that might justify some excitement. However, that N&W
hopper was in Chicago, a very long way from Sherman Hill or the Santa
Fe's Coast Lines. It was probably en route to somewhere east of, or
not very far beyond, Kansas City. It almost certainly was NOT going to
any place west of Belen or La Junta. Delano shot many photos on his
trip from Chicago to Los Angeles on the Santa Fe, and IIRC none of the
rest of them show any eastern RR hopper cars.

Richard Hendrickson


FW: Boxcar details and paint, series GN 20500-21449

Steve Haas
 

Mark,

Here's some info that may help you out:

3) All in this series had the 5 panel Superior Door.
5) Build date for series 20500 - 21499 is 1952.
6) Yup - that's original paint. Consider also Microscale 87-185.

For references:

Mainline Modeler - 9/85, 11/2001, 12/2001
RMJ - 10/1998

IIRC, the Mainline articles are your better bet - the RMJ article was mostly
about a Duane Buck customization of an Intermountain 10' 12 panel car, but
might have had photos of the 10' 6" car.

Best starting point - C&BT 10'6" 12-panel car* with 4/3/1 ends. Throw away
the details and replace with appropriate details from Plano, Branchline,
etc.

* At some point in the past there was discussion of Branchline bringing out
a 10' 6" 12-panel car. I'm not aware of this happening, but if it did, it
might well be a better choice.


Ping me if you need more.

Best regards,

Steve Haas
Sammamish, WA


Re: TOFC

Tim O'Connor
 

Red Caboose at one time planned to do a TOFC version of the
SP F-70-7 flat car, but I don't know what has become of that idea.

Athearn's most recent single-trailer TOFC cars actually use models
of real hitches, unlike the old two-trailer versions. So a very basic
conversion (without rub rails, etc) of an HO 50' to 53' flat car can be
done with a minimal amount of work, if you're not too concerned
about (or able to implement) exact prototypical details. The 40' trailers
are so well done that it's almost worthwhile to buy the RTR stuff
and toss the flat car, and make a more accurate TOFC conversion
using either the Walthers GSC flat (e.g. GN) or the P2K AAR flat
(e.g. NP, C&NW).

Tim O'Connor

-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "benjaminfrank_hom" <b.hom@...>
Craig Wilson wrote:
"There are other references too if you do some searching for BAR
photos. I found one of the later BAR trailers on a 50-foot (ex-PRR)
Trailer Train flatcar.

I have done models of a few of this for a friend who models
Maine/New Hampshire in the late 1950's/early 1960's. The 50-foot
TTX cars can be done from the Bowser F30 kit."

A note on terminology - sometimes, PRR subclasses can be markedly
different cars from the parent class. In this case, the F30 was a
significantly different car from the F30A modeled by the Bowser kit:
http://prr.railfan.net/freight/freightphotos.html?
photo=PRR_470132_F30_E8814.jpg&fr=clF30
http://prr.railfan.net/freight/freightphotos.html?
photo=PRR_474265_F30A_MLC1939.jpg&fr=clF30

If you're talking about the TOFC coversions, that would be Classes
F30D for the early conversions done by PRR, and F30G for the ones
done by TTX.
http://prr.railfan.net/freight/freightphotos.html?
photo=PR475462.JPG&fr=clF30

This is true for several other classes that modelers abbreviate -
R50 (R50B), B60 (B60B). Am I being anal? Maybe, but it's worth the
effort to call things by their right name, especially as there's
always someone, especially newbies, who will take you literally.

These are great projects, Craig - they reinforce my point that you
have to do some work for accurate early TOFC cars. Unfortunately,
none of these fall into Joel's "ready to run (bad hands and weak
eyes)in HO" criteria.


Ben Hom


Re: TOFC

benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
 

Craig Wilson wrote:
"There are other references too if you do some searching for BAR
photos. I found one of the later BAR trailers on a 50-foot (ex-PRR)
Trailer Train flatcar.

I have done models of a few of this for a friend who models
Maine/New Hampshire in the late 1950's/early 1960's. The 50-foot
TTX cars can be done from the Bowser F30 kit."

A note on terminology - sometimes, PRR subclasses can be markedly
different cars from the parent class. In this case, the F30 was a
significantly different car from the F30A modeled by the Bowser kit:
http://prr.railfan.net/freight/freightphotos.html?
photo=PRR_470132_F30_E8814.jpg&fr=clF30
http://prr.railfan.net/freight/freightphotos.html?
photo=PRR_474265_F30A_MLC1939.jpg&fr=clF30

If you're talking about the TOFC coversions, that would be Classes
F30D for the early conversions done by PRR, and F30G for the ones
done by TTX.
http://prr.railfan.net/freight/freightphotos.html?
photo=PR475462.JPG&fr=clF30

This is true for several other classes that modelers abbreviate -
R50 (R50B), B60 (B60B). Am I being anal? Maybe, but it's worth the
effort to call things by their right name, especially as there's
always someone, especially newbies, who will take you literally.

These are great projects, Craig - they reinforce my point that you
have to do some work for accurate early TOFC cars. Unfortunately,
none of these fall into Joel's "ready to run (bad hands and weak
eyes)in HO" criteria.


Ben Hom


Re: TOFC

Tim O'Connor
 

Although not 100% accurate, Missouri Pacific had some 50 foot flat
cars (not 53'6") with 13 stake pockets, some of which were converted
for TOFC service and lasted into the 1970's. If you remove the
side-mount brake stand from the Athearn model it can serve as a
reasonable stand-in.

Tim O'Connor

At 12/16/2007 03:23 PM Sunday, you wrote:
James Fellows wrote:
While perhaps just outside the 1960 cut of this list Athearn is
currently selling 50' flats with 40' trailers. Con Cor in the past
has also sold RTR 50' cars with trailers.
These are okay if you don't mind that the Athearn flat has no
protoype.

Tony Thompson


Re: HO scale EJ&E Box Car decals

Gatwood, Elden J SAD <Elden.J.Gatwood@...>
 

Rob;



Thanks for the info! I will look for one.



I was also surprised about the 1952 date. It seems awfully early for such a
colorful scheme. I will keep after this and let you know what I find.



Thanks,



Elden





________________________________

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Rob
Manley
Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2007 12:31 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: HO scale EJ&E Box Car decals



Elden,
I have one of the split Orange & Green cars. I think Desplaines Hobbies did
that as a custom run. 1952 eh? I thought that would have been a later 50's
scheme.
Rob Manley

----- Original Message -----
From: Gatwood, Elden J SAD
To: STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 6:32 AM
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Re: HO scale EJ&E Box Car decals

Rob;

Thanks very much for all the info!

I will look for that set. I was reading a few of the references, and saw one
that said the split green-over-orange scheme with billboard EJ&E and the
banner herald on the left was introduced in 1952, which would be a great set
for a lot of modelers, but you look through the decal catalogs and offerings,
and it is amazing how many pretty common, or at least popular, box car scheme
have not been done (at least well), in comparison with all these oddball
one-of-a-kind schemes that folks have done.

One could make a sideline out of doing good decals for things like the
numerous B&O, EJ&E, NYC, PRR, RI, WAB classes (and other RRs), that have not
been done, particularly if one were to build the car and present it in a
magazine (and get everyone drooling).

Thanks again,

Elden Gatwood

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[mailto:STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of
Robert MANLEY
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 4:42 PM
To: STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: HO scale EJ&E Box Car decals

Elden,
Walthers also had a "one size fits all" set of freightcar decals. I can't
remember exactly what they had in thier set but I remember it didn't have the
Jumbo EJ&E or the correct single line version of thier herald. They also
looked like they were rubber stamped. I was going to letter up a Robins Rail
PS 50'er. Oh well, out of era anyway.
Try Larsen Hobbies in New Lenox, IL for anything J,except the 3 mini-kits I
bought him.

Happy Modeling,
Rob Manley

----- Original Message ----
From: "Gatwood, Elden J SAD" <Elden.J.Gatwood@...
<mailto:Elden.J.Gatwood%40sad01.usace.army.mil>
<mailto:Elden.J.Gatwood%40sad01.usace.army.mil> >
To: STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 1:59:46 PM
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Re: HO scale EJ&E Box Car decals

Rob;

Thanks very much for the reply!

I now realize that in my haste, I was not very clear about what I was looking
for, which is the decals in HO for the lettering schemes following the bigger
"map" herald of which you speak (and which Sunshine provided in their
mini-kit and old EJ&E USRA steel rebuild).

The ones I specifically would like to find are the large billboard letter
schemes in either orange on green over orange, or vice versa, the earlier of
which has the small "around not thru.." banner herald, And the latter ones of
which only have the big billboard letters.

There are a number of pictures of these cool schemes, but unless you have a
mini-kit or like to bash things (shorty 8-foot Superior door...ends. ..body)
you would not have an accurate car.

Perhaps these guys just have never been done...

B&LE did a lot of coil shipment on pallets in these 8' door box cars, like
the P&WV with its AC&F 8'-door cars, and I would also be interested in who
else might have done this.

Thanks for looking into it!

Elden Gatwood

____________ _________ _________ __

From: STMFC@yahoogroups. com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Rob
Manley
Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 4:26 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups. com
Subject: [STMFC] Re: HO scale EJ&E Box Car decals

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups. com <mailto:STMFC% 40yahoogroups. com> , "Gatwood,
Elden J SAD "
<Elden.J.Gatwood@ ...> wrote:
Eldon,
Sunshine did these cars as a mini kit in both the boxcar red and
Green w/ Orange lettering schemes. There is a model brown car on the
STMFC site. I heard Martin doesn't sell the mini kits through the
mail but I saw quite a few of them at Naperville this past year.You
get new ends, sill,door and frame parts to upgrade a Branchline car.

Happy Hunting,
Rob Manley

.> Guys;



Does anyone know of a source for (good) HO decals for EJ&E box
cars in the
1952+ orange and green billboard schemes? Particularly the 10' IH
8' door 40
footers?



Thanks,



Elden Gatwood







Re: TOFC

cabincar2834 <cwilson@...>
 

--- In STMFC@..., "joel norman" <mec-bml@...> wrote:

GENTLEMAN: For our modeling time frame(my own railroad is set in Maine
1960))which of the ready to run(bad hands and weak eyes)in HO would be
the best 50 ft(or 60ft)flat car for TOFC use...
Thanks
Joel Norman... Eastern Maine Rly
A couple of references to check out:
Morning Sun, Northern New England Color Guide to Freight and Passenger Equipment
1) pages 22 and 25. Photos of BAR refrigerated trailers, one on a rebuilt BAR flatcar.
2) page 34. BM 5205. A 50-foot TOFC flatcar
3) page 37. B&M TOFC trailer
4) page 53. MEC TOFC trailer
Morning Sun, BAR in Color. page 103. A pair of BAR TOFC trailers on a TTX flatcar.
(Athearn offers these in this BAR scheme)

There are other references too if you do some searching for BAR photos. I found one of
the later BAR trailers on a 50-foot (ex-PRR) Trailer Train flatcar.

I have done models of a few of this for a friend who models Maine/New Hampshire in the
late 1950's/early 1960's. The 50-foot TTX cars can be done from the Bowser F30 kit.
This is a great option for someone modeling this era and doesn't want to run the long TTX
cars on tighter curves. The B&M TOFC flatcar was quite easy to do (you could just reletter
one of the old Revell/Con-Cor TOFC flatcars). The BAR TOFC flatcar was extensively
kitbashed from a Life-Like 53-foot gon (a very involved project). Athearn offers the BAR
trailer and I have built one of the BAR refrigerated trailers and one MEC trailer as well.

Microscale makes a decal set for the TTX flatcars which includes data for the F30 50-foot
cars. I used CDS N-scale sets to get the small heralds needed for the BAR and B&M
flatcars. Also, Don Haffield makes decals for a lot of TOFC trailers. Try searching for his
name or check out the greatdecals website. Someone on this list may have a direct url for
him. Feel free to chime in with other suggestions.

Craig Wilson
who can't resist a modeling project challenge


Re: Santa Fe car spotters

Todd Stearns <toddsyr@...>
 

That's the first thing I noticed in that photo too! I remember the "Sherman Hill discussion" well and figured it was best left for you guys to comment on it!

Todd K. Stearns

----- Original Message -----
From: richtownsend@...
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2007 4:21 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Santa Fe car spotters


The more important question is what is that right behind the tender?? If it's on its way to California, will it be routed home over Sherman Hill?<VBG>

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, Oregon

-----Original Message-----
From: jerryglow2 <jerryglow@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 7:44 pm
Subject: [STMFC] Santa Fe car spotters

What is the car on the right of this photo:
http://www.shorpy.com/node/626?size=_original

The first few digits of the car number are not visible and I'm not
familar enough with SF cars to ID it.

TIA
Jerry Glow

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Re: Santa Fe car spotters

Frederick Freitas <prrinvt@...>
 

GUYZ,

This is why we "never say never" about prototype operations. I'm confident that a poster size copy of this photo will be prominently display in Coco Beach next month!
Nice find Rick

Fred Freitas

richtownsend@... wrote:
The more important question is what is that right behind the tender?? If it's on its way to California, will it be routed home over Sherman Hill?<VBG>

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, Oregon

-----Original Message-----
From: jerryglow2 <jerryglow@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 7:44 pm
Subject: [STMFC] Santa Fe car spotters

What is the car on the right of this photo:
http://www.shorpy.com/node/626?size=_original

The first few digits of the car number are not visible and I'm not
familar enough with SF cars to ID it.

TIA
Jerry Glow

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Re: Boxcar details and paint, series GN 20500-21449

gn3397 <heninger@...>
 

--- In STMFC@..., "Mark Heiden" <mark_heiden@...> wrote:

Hello everyone,

I'm looking for some construction and paint information regarding
some Great Northern 40ft steel boxcars, series GN 20500-21449. A
prototype photo of GN 20971 is available at:

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/gn/gn20971bkg.jpg

My questions are:

1. What sort of running boards were these cars built with?
Well, the car diagram I have for these cars (dated 1968) lists the running boards as
"metal", which is less than adequate for your purposes. Close comparison of the photo of
20971 as well as the photos of 20918 and 20615 reproduced on page 42 of the GN Equip.
Pictorial Vol. 1 by Thompson seems to indicate the series was equipped with Apex Tri-Lok
running boards. Perhaps other manufacturer's products were used as well, but I can't be
sure.

2. What sort of brake wheels were these cars equipped with?
Universal, with what appears to be the model M1602A hand wheel, which is shown
to good advantage in photos in RP CYC, Vol. 10, page 48.

3. Did the entire series have Superior doors?
Yes, that is specified for the entire series on the car diagram. The door on 20971
appears to have been repaired and repainted, but it does match the five panel Superior
doors on 20918 and 20615.

4. Were ASF A-3 Ride Control trucks used on the entire series?
Yes.

5. When were these cars built? I have seen both 1951 and 1952 listed.
The car diagram states 1952, the photo of 20918 shows "BLT. 9-1952" stenciled on
its side.

6. Having been built in the early 1950s, I am guessing that GN 20971
is still in it's original paint. Is there a good decal set for this
scheme? Right now, Champ BRH-31 looks good.
Yes, the car is in the as built paint scheme. Champ's BRH-31 set will accurately
letter the cars.

Hope this helps, and if anyone else has more definitive information on the running boards,
I would like to hear it as well. Thanks.

Sincerely,
Robert D. Heninger
Stanley, ND


Re: Boxcar details and paint, series GN 20500-21449

Steve Haas
 

Mark,

Here's some info that may help you out:

3) All in this series had the 5 panel Superior Door.
5) Build date for series 20500 - 21499 is 1952.
6) Yup - that's original paint. Consider also Microscale 87-185.

For references:

Mainline Modeler - 9/85, 11/2001, 12/2001
RMJ - 10/1998

IIRC, the Mainline articles are your better bet - the RMJ article was mostly
about a Duane Buck customization of an Intermountain 10' 12 panel car, but
might have had photos of the 10' 6" car.

Best starting point - C&BT 10'6" 12-panel car* with 4/3/1 ends. Throw away
the details and replace with appropriate details from Plano, Branchline,
etc.

* At some point in the past there was discussion of Branchline bringing out
a 10' 6" 12-panel car. I'm not aware of this happening, but if it did, it
might well be a better choice.


Ping me if you need more.

Best regards,

Steve Haas
Sammamish, WA


Sunshine tractors

jerryglow2
 

Were there instructions with this kit? If so I lost mine packing to
move and just took it out and am at a loss to complete it (them). If
anyone has instructions, could you do a good scan and email it? Contact
me off list.

Jerry Glow


Re: Santa Fe car spotters

Mike Brock <brockm@...>
 

Richard Townsend notes:

"The more important question is what is that right behind the tender?? If it's on its way to California, will it be routed home over Sherman Hill?<VBG>"

A rather famous...er...infamous photo. Me thinks it might be more likely that...given the tendency to doubt the very existance of the car behind the tender...it just might be that the locomotive might itself be lost and the scene is, in reality, somewhere in the vicinity of...weell...Roanoke, VA.

Mike Brock...ducking from incoming...


Boxcar details and paint, series GN 20500-21449

Mark Heiden
 

Hello everyone,

I'm looking for some construction and paint information regarding
some Great Northern 40ft steel boxcars, series GN 20500-21449. A
prototype photo of GN 20971 is available at:

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/gn/gn20971bkg.jpg

My questions are:

1. What sort of running boards were these cars built with?

2. What sort of brake wheels were these cars equipped with?

3. Did the entire series have Superior doors?

4. Were ASF A-3 Ride Control trucks used on the entire series?

5. When were these cars built? I have seen both 1951 and 1952 listed.

6. Having been built in the early 1950s, I am guessing that GN 20971
is still in it's original paint. Is there a good decal set for this
scheme? Right now, Champ BRH-31 looks good.

As always, any help is greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Mark Heiden


Re: Fe vs. Bx was:Santa Fe car spotters

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Dec 16, 2007, at 3:18 PM, Kurt Laughlin wrote:

What was the distinction the ATSF made between Box and Furniture cars
- double doors?
Yes. Well, literally, larger cars with larger door openings, though in
the period most of us are interested in that meant 1-1/2 or double door
cars with auxiliary doors. The Fe- classification was abandoned in the
early 1970s because by that time most new box cars had plug doors with
wide door openings. The last Fe- class cars, the Fe-42s, were built in
1969.

Richard Hendrickson


Fe vs. Bx was:Santa Fe car spotters

Kurt Laughlin <fleeta@...>
 

What was the distinction the ATSF made between Box and Furniture cars - double doors?

KL

126301 - 126320 of 194713