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Re: Rock Island Decals for Steel Rebuild of USRA DS Boxcar

Steve and Barb Hile
 

Upon further review:

The RI Emblem (herald to some) on Steam Era (and later) boxcars was more like 4 feet six inches across, making the Champ separate herald decal still undersized.

The ones that I sell and the ones in the Sunshine kit are correctly sized.

Sorry for not passing more complete information, sooner.

Regards,
Steve Hile

----- Original Message -----
From: jerryglow2
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 7:54 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Rock Island Decals for Steel Rebuild of USRA DS Boxcar


That's good news. They generally sell decals for current items.

Jerry Glow

--- In STMFC@..., shile@... wrote:
>
> Jerry, Matt,
>
> Sunshine has recently re-released the RI USRA rebuilds. They had
them for sale at Naperville.
>
> Perhaps Sunshine will sell just the decals. Otherwise, several of
the RI boxcar decal sets from Champ will provide the Route of the
Rockets slogan. The large logo (herald) is too small in the basic
sets, but they sell a separate 36 inch herald as well.
>
> Shameless plug: I do sell the correct size boxcar heralds (and
also a size for cabooses) in my RI decals. Please contact me off
list for a list of decals.
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Steve Hile
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> >From: jerryglow2 <jerryglow@...>
> >Sent: Jan 9, 2008 7:58 AM
> >To: STMFC@...
> >Subject: [STMFC] Re: Rock Island Decals for Steel Rebuild of USRA
DS Boxcar
> >
> >How do you plan to build the car? I built a SLSF one from Tichy
sides
> >and ends with a scratchbuilt roof but the RI one is taller and
even
> >though I could make modified ends, don't know what to do for the
sides.
> >I made the one I have from a long discontinued Sunshine kit.
> >http://home.comcast.net/~jerryglow/modeling/SLSF_rebuilt.html
> >http://home.comcast.net/~jerryglow/modeling/RI_rebuild.html
> >
> >Jerry Glow
> >
> >--- In STMFC@..., "matthewjstrickland"
> ><matthewjstrickland@> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi Guys,
> >>
> >> I am after some HO Decals for Rock Island Steel Rebuild USRA
Double
> >> Sheathed Boxcar circa 1950.
> >>
> >> Does anybody know if any sets are available and by whom?
> >>
> >> thanks for your help in advance
> >>
> >> Regards
> >>
> >> Matt Strickland
> >>
> >
> >
>


Re: Paint shelf life?

Douglas Harding <dharding@...>
 

Brian, in short, Yes. Badger offers a guarantee on their paint. Contact them
and they will replace the paint. I did this recently after discovering a
number of new bottles, and some open ones, that were just as you describe,
including one with a really bad odor. Badger was very cordial, all I had to
do was send them a list of the paint colors that were bad and they replaced
them.

I have been using Accuflex and later ModelFlex since it first came out.
Requires different airbrush techniques, but I have not had problems with
paint quality until this last year. I attritubted the problem to a couple of
recent moves when my paint was in storage for a length of time.

I have learned when using ModelFlex that I want a supply of hot water handy
for cleaning the airbrush or removing a bad paint job immediately, ie paint
next to the laundry tub if possible. Also have a bottle of Windex/window
cleaner, use it for a final cleaning of the airbrush. The ammonia in the
window cleaner cuts the paint when the hot water doesn't. If you begin
cleaning within 5 minutes you can usually remove the paint with no trouble
(provided you have not set the paint with the hair dryer).

Doug Harding
www.iowacentralrr.org

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Re: Rock Island Decals for Steel Rebuild of USRA DS Boxcar

MDelvec952
 

In a message dated 1/12/2008 11:35:16 AM Eastern Standard Time,
shile@... writes:

The RI Emblem (herald to some) on Steam Era (and later) boxcars was more
like 4 feet six inches across, making the Champ separate herald decal still
undersized.

The ones that I sell and the ones in the Sunshine kit are correctly sized.


<<<<<<<<<<<

When Martin was first getting rolling with Sunshine he would sometimes offer
decals, and a couple of times I sent in requests with car orders. Haven't
dealt with him a long time, though, but I'm glad to hear that he's
re-releasing the Rock Island rebuilds as the ends were correct for a small number of
Lackawanna rebuilds of wood-sided cars into steel autocars.

Does anyone know if Martin is going to Springfield, Mass., end of this month?

Thanks in advance,

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Re: NP 1937 AAR rebuild dates

leakinmywaders
 

Frank, Matt may be right, but I think you can probably get a ballpark
answer this way: very few cars in his series were rebuilt in 1955;
nearly all were rebuilt by 1970. If you assume there was a roughly
linear shop rotation of these cars during that interval, you get 7
percent per year rebuilt, or a crude guess on the order of 35 percent
with rebuilt side sills by 1960. Judging from looking at a lot of
photos, I think this isn't far from the mark.

Matt Herson might have more specific data, I know he has looked into
this. A significant proportion of cars in this series were rebuilt
before the NP's adoption of the post-steam-era billboard/jumbo monad
paint scheme.

It's beyond this group's era, but relevant to your quetion that in
years of looking I have located only one or two photographs of NP 40ft
AAR steel boxcars retaining their original tab sills by 1969-70, out
of hundreds of cars examined.

Chris Frissell
Polson, MT

In STMFC@..., "Matt Sugerman" <camas74@...> wrote:


Frank,

I believe the NP started the re-building of these cars in 1957 or 58
and continued into the late 60's...

I don't know what the percentage of rebuilt cars in 1960 is, but I
would guess that the number of rebuild was still small...Seems like
they did the majority of work from 1964 on...

The NP modelers yahoo group has had many posts regarding these cars
also...

Matt Sugerman,
Ft. Worth, TX

--- In STMFC@..., amato@ wrote:

Hello group,

I am working on a few N scale 1937 AAR boxcars (Intermountain), to
be finished
in the NP series 15000-17996. My modeling era is 1960.

Did NP rebuild all of these '37 boxcars by 1960, or were there some
left in the
original config? I searched the message archive but didn't find
any details
about which cars were rebuilt and when.

Thanks!

Frank Amato


Re: Accurail

Richard White
 

Thank you everyone.
Richard White


Re: DS/SS split 1945 - more help needed

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

al brown wrote:
Thompson, Church, and Jones, "Pacific Fruit Express", 1st ed., p86, show CGW 23954: double-sheathed.
The page numbers in the first three-fourths of the book did not change in subsequent editions and printings.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: DS/SS split 1945 - more help needed

al_brown03
 

--- In STMFC@..., "laramielarry" <ostresh@...> wrote:

Hi Folks

Thanks to your help of the past couple of months, the DS/SS/Steel
split for box, auto, and ventilator cars as of 1945 is now known
for about 99% of the U.S. fleet. There remain about 5,000 cars (of
748,000) whose siding type is not known. The list below records
those "unknown" series with 50 or more cars as of January 1945,
about 2/3 of all the unknowns.

The table shows the markings, AAR mechanical designation, kind of
car, series start and stop, interior length, interior height,
nominal capacity (pounds), number of cars in the January 1945 ORER,
and number of cars in the July 1950 ORER.

I would very much appreciate it if someone could tell me the
sheathing type for these cars as of January 1945. If they were re-
sheathed between 1945 and July 1950, I would like to know that as
well; also, build or re-build dates.

Road, AAR, Kind, Series, IL, IH, Door, Capy, Qty 1945, Qty 1950
WofA, XM, Box, 16300-16314, 39' 2", 8' 4", 6' 0", 100000, 146, NA
CG, VA, Box, 7001-7500, 40' 0", 8' 2", 6' 0", 80000, 149, NA
Cooper, "Norfolk & Western's Shenandoah Valley Line", p137, shows CG
7327: double-sheathed.

CG, XM, Box, 50001-50300, 40' 0", 8' 0", 6' 0", 80000, 93, NA
CG, VA, Box, 50301-50490, 40' 0", 8' 0", 6' 0", 80000, 99, NA
GM&O, XM, Box, 4600-4999, 40' 0", 8' 0", 6' 0", 80000, 141, NA
WM, XM, Box, 26300-26599, 40' 6", 9' 0", 6' 0", 100000, 290, NA
PS&N, XM, Box, 9700-9799, 40' 4", 7' 10", 6' 0", 80000, 97, NA
Mainline Modeler 11/86, p35, shows PS&N 9700: a Mather single-
sheathed car.

CRI, XM, Box, 6000-6539, 40' 6", 8' 8", 6' 0", 80000, 121, NA
NJI&I, XA, Auto, 2000-2149, 40' 6", 10' 6", 10' 0", 80000, 141, 136
NJI&I, XA, Auto, 3000-3199, 40' 6", 10' 0", 10' 0", 80000, 53, 29
NJI&I, XM, Box, 78000-78199, 40' 6", 10' 0", 6' 0", 80000, 144, 165
AA, XM, Box, 69600-69974, 40' 0", 8' 0", 6' 0", 80000, 85, 9
C&EI, XM, Box, 63000-63189, 40' 0", 9' 11", 6' 0", 80000, 155, NA
SLSF, XM, Box, 13000-13247, 36' 2", 6' 8", 4' 11", 80000, 246, NA
EJ&E, XM, Box, 60000-60399, 40' 0", 8' 0", 5' 3", 100000, 257, NA
CGW, XM, Box, 22000-25798, 40' 0", 8' 6", 6' 0", 80000, 135, NA
Thompson, Church, and Jones, "Pacific Fruit Express", 1st ed., p86,
show CGW 23954: double-sheathed.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.


Tamk Car ID

James Fellows
 

I have posted a photo of a tank car that was in a box of goodies I picked up a train show. It is HO scale is made of brass and looks to be factory painted silver. It ha no lettering. It is about 47' scale feet long. DOes anybody have any idea what it is a model of?

Thanks,

Jim Fellows


Re: Paint shelf life?

Dennis Williams
 

Brian.
My luck dealing with acrylic paints was not that
great. The "spotty" sounds like some oils
(fingerprints)were left on the car surface. Seems to
be no matter how much I cleaned, I still had that
problem.
I heard that one time, correct me if I'm wrong, one
brand had problems with their paint. May have been
Badger.
For the past 20 years that I have been airbrushing,
I try to stick with Scalecoat I and II, II is for
plastics. Also it has a nice decal surface. Now, talk
about shelf life, Scalecoat seems to jell after a long
while. My opinion is the large bottle. 1/2 paint, 1/2
air. I started to use smaller bottles and it seems to
work.
To answer your last question, paints can go bad over
time. I have some Floquils that are 20 years old with
no problems. But I had some that did not last a year
after opening. I guess that it all depends on the mix
at the time.
Dennis
--- Brian J Carlson <brian@...> wrote:

Tonight I tried to paint a Bowser X31 using Badger
Accuflex (yes Accuflex,
not Modelflex) Light Tuscan Oxide Red. I've used
Accuflex before, but
probably not in 3 years, this was a brand new (to
me) unopened bottle that I
mixed well. The coverage was spotty and wet and no
combination of air and
paint would produce smooth results. Nor did it
matter how close or far away
I held the brush, the paint stayed spotty. The
paint did exhibit a "funky"
odor that I never noticed when using acrylic paint
before. My question is
can acrylic paint go bad in the bottle? I have no
idea how long the bottle
was on the shelf at my local hobby shop. Normally, I
use Polly S acrylics.
Any thoughts?

Brian J Carlson P.E.
Cheektowaga NY



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Re: Paint shelf life?

Brian J Carlson <brian@...>
 

SGL wrote; Plastic bottle, Brian?

yes, plastic bottle. The paint wasn't solid, very liquid in fact. Just a
strange painting experience. It went through my airbrush like water.
Brian J Carlson P.E.
Cheektowaga NY


Re: Paint shelf life?

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Plastic bottle, Brian? Polyethylene or similar? I suspect that is the problem. Accuflex is also
the paint that had the major meltdown IIRC, and there was a huge batch of it made with polluted
water, as I understood it, which made it go solid in the bottle . . . and in your airbrush while you
were painting with it. I had a near (airbrush) death experience with it. Really too bad, too,
because when it first came out I painted a three-color passenger car AND decaled it in one 7 PM to
11 PM session.

SGL

Tonight I tried to paint a Bowser X31 using Badger Accuflex (yes Accuflex,
not Modelflex) Light Tuscan Oxide Red. I've used Accuflex before, but
probably not in 3 years, this was a brand new (to me) unopened bottle that I
mixed well. The coverage was spotty and wet and no combination of air and
paint would produce smooth results. Nor did it matter how close or far away
I held the brush, the paint stayed spotty. The paint did exhibit a "funky"
odor that I never noticed when using acrylic paint before. My question is
can acrylic paint go bad in the bottle? I have no idea how long the bottle
was on the shelf at my local hobby shop. Normally, I use Polly S acrylics.
Any thoughts?

Brian J Carlson P.E.
Cheektowaga NY




Paint shelf life?

Brian J Carlson <brian@...>
 

Tonight I tried to paint a Bowser X31 using Badger Accuflex (yes Accuflex,
not Modelflex) Light Tuscan Oxide Red. I've used Accuflex before, but
probably not in 3 years, this was a brand new (to me) unopened bottle that I
mixed well. The coverage was spotty and wet and no combination of air and
paint would produce smooth results. Nor did it matter how close or far away
I held the brush, the paint stayed spotty. The paint did exhibit a "funky"
odor that I never noticed when using acrylic paint before. My question is
can acrylic paint go bad in the bottle? I have no idea how long the bottle
was on the shelf at my local hobby shop. Normally, I use Polly S acrylics.
Any thoughts?

Brian J Carlson P.E.
Cheektowaga NY


Re: DS/SS split 1945 help needed

al_brown03
 

--- In STMFC@..., "laramielarry" <ostresh@...> wrote:

Hi Folks

Here are some boxcar series that I have classified as double
sheathed. As such, they have counted in the DS categories of the
various DS/SS/Steel summaries I've been posting for the past few
months. Upon reviewing my files, I find that perhaps some of the
series were classified as DS without sufficient evidence. Can
anyone help corroborate (or refute) my identification of these car
series?
Thanks in advance for whatever help you can give.

The following table shows the reporting marks, AAR mechanical
designation, kind of car, series start and stop, interior length,
interior height, nominal capacity (pounds), number of cars in the
January 1945 ORER, and number of cars in the July 1950 ORER.

I would like to know the sheathing type for these cars as of
January 1945. If they were re-sheathed between 1945 and July 1950,
I would like to know that as well.

Road, AAR, Kind, Series, IL, IH, Door, Capy, Qty 1945, Qty 1950
BS, XM, Box, 580-599, 38' 6.75", 7' 8", 6' 0", 100000, 20, 19
SOUTHERN, XM, Box, 409000-409999, 36'0", 8' 3", 6' 0", 80000, 915,
153
CLINCHFIELD, XM, Box, 3300-3833, 36' 0", 8' 0", 6' 0", 60000, 46, 17
MSC, XM, Box, 4000-4109, 36' 0", 8' 0", 6' 0", 60000, 31, 19
Trains 9/91, p33, shows MSC 4020: double-sheathed.

RDG, XM, Box, 4000-4999, 36' 2", 8' 1", 6' 0", 80000, 967, 19
CTN, XM, Box, 400-420, 36' 0", 8' 0", 6' 0", 80000, 21, 20
D&H, XM, Box, 21000-22443, 36' 0", 8' 0", 6' 0", 60000, 190, 58
Model Railroading 6/89, pp47-55, has a story on D&H boxcar purchases.
This series was built in 1907 and was double-sheathed. There are
several published photos of this series.

NH, XM, Box, 61005-61984, 36' 0", 8' 6", 6' 0", 80000, 29, 1
NH, XM, Box, 62031-62993, 36' 0", 8' 6", 6' 0", 80000, 24, NA
BAR, XM, Box, 8700-8999, 35' 10", 8' 0", 6' 0", 60000, 237, 109
BAR, XM, Box, 60000-60099, 35' 9", 8' 0", 5' 0", 60000, 75, 5
RMC 10/02, p89, shows BAR 60026: double-sheathed.

BAR, XM, Box, 60100-60399, 36' 0", 8' 0", 6' 0", 60000, 211, 32
Locomotive Quarterly fall 97, p72, shows BAR 60103: double-sheathed.

More later I hope.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.


Re: DS/SS split 1945 help needed

al_brown03
 

--- In STMFC@..., "laramielarry" <ostresh@...> wrote:

Hi Folks

Here are some boxcar series that I have classified as double
sheathed. As such, they have counted in the DS categories of the
various DS/SS/Steel summaries I've been posting for the past few
months. Upon reviewing my files, I find that perhaps some of the
series were classified as DS without sufficient evidence. Can
anyone
help corroborate (or refute) my identification of these car
series?
Thanks in advance for whatever help you can give.

The following table shows the reporting marks, AAR mechanical
designation, kind of car, series start and stop, interior length,
interior height, nominal capacity (pounds), number of cars in the
January 1945 ORER, and number of cars in the July 1950 ORER.

I would like to know the sheathing type for these cars as of
January
1945. If they were re-sheathed between 1945 and July 1950, I would
like to know that as well.

Road, AAR, Kind, Series, IL, IH, Door, Capy, Qty 1945, Qty 1950
BS, XM, Box, 580-599, 38' 6.75", 7' 8", 6' 0", 100000, 20, 19
SOUTHERN, XM, Box, 409000-409999, 36'0", 8' 3", 6' 0", 80000, 915,
153
CLINCHFIELD, XM, Box, 3300-3833, 36' 0", 8' 0", 6' 0", 60000, 46, 17
Vintage Rails 5-6/99 p70 shows CC&O 3350: DS.

More later I hope.

-- Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.


Re: Accurail

Greg Martin
 

Denny writes:


New Accurail gons: Pretty fine model, and as usual with new Accurail
products, it represents some ingenious engineering, and extremely fine sharp
detailing. I just assembled an undecorated one (black) last night. The quite visible
brake rigging detailing is some of the very best yet in a styrene kit-and it
installs in one piece in about one nanosecond flat.

The coupler pads are predrilled so that those of us using the Accumate Proto
scale (or Sergeant) couplers can install the small coupler boxes without fuss.

To get the coupler head to the correct level, I inserted .015" washers
between the truck and body bolsters. I plan to enhance the fine visible underbody
detail with piping made from .015" styrene rod, and a manual brake rod with
hanging chain.

I am not a chauvinist, and I appreciate fine products from wherever they
might arise, but I do appreciate the fact that this is a car conceived, designed,
and manufactured right here in the USA.

Now- decals....and for what road?

Denny
--
Denny S. Anspach, MD
Sacramento


Denny,

I only got a quick, and I mean a quick, glance at it in Cocoa Beach but it
was very nicely done. Dennis, when will the P&WV models hit the dealers (albeit
those funky yellow grabs) I need a couple.

Hmmmm, now what can I bash this baby into ... where's that darn Train Shed...
Shake and Take! 3^)

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Re: Paint shelf life?

Greg Martin
 

In a message dated 1/11/2008 7:41:12 PM Pacific Standard Time,
brian@... writes:

SGL wrote; Plastic bottle, Brian?

Yes, plastic bottle. The paint wasn't solid, very liquid in fact. Just a
strange painting experience. It went through my airbrush like water.
Brian J Carlson P.E.
Cheektowaga NY

Brian,

It is likely still good. The stuff is very "thin" but covers well and needs
no thinning. You got good color coverage, correct?

Greg Martin



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Re: Paint shelf life?

Charles Hladik
 

Brian,
A couple of years ago the LHS I worked at had some Modelflex set up in
the bottle. Badger replaced it. IIRC Accuflex was the precursor to Modelflex
and it was taken off the market due to some of the problems that you relate.
Sorry, but I don't know what to do to rectify your problem.
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Re: DS/SS split 1945 - more help needed

Chet French <cfrench@...>
 

Larry,

All the NJI&I cars listed were SS. The Ann Arbor cars
were DS.

Chet French
Dixon, IL


--- In STMFC@..., "laramielarry" <ostresh@...> wrote:

Hi Folks

Thanks to your help of the past couple of months, the DS/SS/Steel
split for box, auto, and ventilator cars as of 1945 is now known
for
about 99% of the U.S. fleet. There remain about 5,000 cars (of
748,000) whose siding type is not known. The list below records
those "unknown" series with 50 or more cars as of January 1945,
about
2/3 of all the unknowns.

The table shows the markings, AAR mechanical designation, kind of
car, series start and stop, interior length, interior height,
nominal
capacity (pounds), number of cars in the January 1945 ORER, and
number of cars in the July 1950 ORER.

I would very much appreciate it if someone could tell me the
sheathing type for these cars as of January 1945. If they were re-
sheathed between 1945 and July 1950, I would like to know that as
well; also, build or re-build dates.

Road, AAR, Kind, Series, IL, IH, Door, Capy, Qty 1945, Qty 1950
WofA, XM, Box, 16300-16314, 39' 2", 8' 4", 6' 0", 100000, 146, NA
CG, VA, Box, 7001-7500, 40' 0", 8' 2", 6' 0", 80000, 149, NA
CG, XM, Box, 50001-50300, 40' 0", 8' 0", 6' 0", 80000, 93, NA
CG, VA, Box, 50301-50490, 40' 0", 8' 0", 6' 0", 80000, 99, NA
GM&O, XM, Box, 4600-4999, 40' 0", 8' 0", 6' 0", 80000, 141, NA
WM, XM, Box, 26300-26599, 40' 6", 9' 0", 6' 0", 100000, 290, NA
PS&N, XM, Box, 9700-9799, 40' 4", 7' 10", 6' 0", 80000, 97, NA
CRI, XM, Box, 6000-6539, 40' 6", 8' 8", 6' 0", 80000, 121, NA
NJI&I, XA, Auto, 2000-2149, 40' 6", 10' 6", 10' 0", 80000, 141, 136
NJI&I, XA, Auto, 3000-3199, 40' 6", 10' 0", 10' 0", 80000, 53, 29
NJI&I, XM, Box, 78000-78199, 40' 6", 10' 0", 6' 0", 80000, 144, 165
AA, XM, Box, 69600-69974, 40' 0", 8' 0", 6' 0", 80000, 85, 9
C&EI, XM, Box, 63000-63189, 40' 0", 9' 11", 6' 0", 80000, 155, NA
SLSF, XM, Box, 13000-13247, 36' 2", 6' 8", 4' 11", 80000, 246, NA
EJ&E, XM, Box, 60000-60399, 40' 0", 8' 0", 5' 3", 100000, 257, NA
CGW, XM, Box, 22000-25798, 40' 0", 8' 6", 6' 0", 80000, 135, NA
CGW, XA, Auto, 51000-51198, 50' 6", 10' 0", 12' 1", 100000, 99, NA
CMO, XM, Box, 19400-19998, 40' 6", 10' 5", 6' 0", 80000, 280, 130
UP OSL, XM, Box, 68088-68149, 40' 6", 9' 4", 6' 0", 100000, 59, 2
KCS, XA, Auto, 20500-20599, 40' 3", 10' 4", 12' 6", 80000, 87, 10
SSW, XAR, Auto, 46100-46199, 40' 6", 10' 9", 14' 6", 80000, 100, NA
FW&D, XM, Box, 6001-7200, 40' 0", 7' 10", 5' 6", 80000, 227, 7
C&S, XM, Box, 14300-14688, 39' 10.125", 7' 9.75", 5' 5.5",80000,
92, 8

WofA = The Western Railway of Alabama
CG = Central of Georgia
PS&N = Pittsburgh, Shawmut and Northern
CRI = Chicago River & Indiana R.R. Co.
NJI&I = New Jersey, Indiana & Illinois (ICC Class 2)
AA = Ann Arbor
C&EI = Chicago & Eastern Illinois
EJ&E = Elgin, Joliet & Eastern
SSW = St. Louis Southwestern Ry. Co. (Cotton Belt)
FW&D = Fort Worth & Denver City


Thank you for whatever help you can provide.

Best wishes,
Larry Ostresh
Laramie, Wyoming


Re: DS/SS split 1945 - more help needed

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Larry Ostresh wrote:
The list below records those "unknown" series with 50 or more cars as of January 1945, about
2/3 of all the unknowns.
WM, XM, Box, 26300-26599, 40' 6", 9' 0", 6' 0", 100000, 290, NA
Larry, the WM box car book shows these in a diagram to be single-sheathed.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


B&O Time Saver boxcars, was: Initiation of time saver service

James Mischke <jmischke@...>
 

Several points about B&O Time Saver LCL service, and boxcars
lettered so:


- B&O had always offered less-than-carload (LCL) service, it
was dubbed Time-Saver Service in June 1950 to promote service
enhancements such as faster schedules and shipment tracking.
This was in response to the NYC Pacemaker service and LCL
service improvements by Erie and DL&W/NKP in early 1950.

- Over time, several B&O box cars were painted blue with an
orange comet, as promotional rolling billboards. Seems
periodically, B&O may have needed one for a fair display now and
then. After the fair, each car was released into the wild. We
have identified about seven such cars, all class M-55h. (a
counterpoint: a recent B&OHS calendar photo shows two such
boxcars on a moving train passing by a steam switcher at North
Vernon, Ind. in 1958, unposed, unplanned. What are the chances
of that with only seven cars? Suggests more blue boxcars than
seven. More research needed. )

- B&O changed its nonwagontop boxcar red lettering scheme to
one with a "Time Saver Service" slogan on the right,per drawings
issued in November 1957. This slogan was alternated with a
"Sentinel Service Dependability" slogan after November 1958.

- There were scheduled B&O freight trains dubbed "The Time
Saver" with schedules designed for LCL service. These trains
also carried carload freight, and many other trains carried LCL
boxcars daily.

- B&O Time Saver LCL Service ended in the retrenchment of 1962.
New boxcar scheme omitting the Sentinel and Time Saver slogans
introduced per drawings issued January 1963. There may be a
last revision to the previous drawing which omitted the slogans
a few months earlier, more research needed.

- A car with a slogan or blue/orange paint was not necessarily
in LCL service, in fact, probably not. Cars clean and fit for
TimeSaver Service were marked with a circle T by the reporting
marks. And many more cars were so marked with the circle T than
were actually carrying less than carload freight.







Adam Starr wrote:


In what year did the term Time saver first appear on B&O cars? I know there was the royal blue and ornage box car after WWII but when did it first apear on the box car red cars? Definitely NOT before 1945?

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