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Sunshine at Timonium Show; Was Re: Re: Rock Island Decals for Steel Rebuild of USRA DS Boxcar

James F. Brewer <jfbrewer@...>
 

I just received a flyer from Sunshine indicating Martin will be at the Timonium Show, which is Feb 2-3.

I'll also be having an open house that Saturday evening, Feb. 2, of my layout for any and all that care to stop at the house; more details to follow.

Jim Brewer
Glenwood MD

----- Original Message -----
From: jerryglow2
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 8:05 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Rock Island Decals for Steel Rebuild of USRA DS Boxcar


I asked that question about a month ago and the response was that he
dosen't do that show.

Jerry Glow

--- In STMFC@..., MDelvec952@... wrote:
>
>
> Does anyone know if Martin is going to Springfield, Mass., end of
this month?
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Mike Del Vecchio


Re: Paint shelf life?

Bob Sterner
 

I'm not the fastest modeller in the world and and thus I always seem
to have lots of old paint that I can no longer use. I have been
fantasizing about having compressed nitrogen at my work bench so that
I could replace the atmosphere in opened paint with N2. I believe
(though don't know for certain) that this would dramatically improve
shelf life. Unfortunately, even a small cylinder ("lecture bottle")
is > $100, at least as far as I've been able to determine. If this
is a valid technique, commercial paint shops should already be on to
it. Anyone heard of anything like this?

Bob Sterner

--- In STMFC@..., RUTLANDRS@... wrote:

Brian,
A couple of years ago the LHS I worked at had some Modelflex
set up in
the bottle. Badger replaced it. IIRC Accuflex was the precursor to
Modelflex
and it was taken off the market due to some of the problems that
you relate.
Sorry, but I don't know what to do to rectify your problem.
Chuck Hladik



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Re: SC&F announcement or news at Cocoa Beach?

Tom Madden <tgmadden@...>
 

Rob Kirkham wrote:

Thanks Jared - was there anything indicating which versions were
coming out first, or price info?
Jon has sent me a few photos of the single- and double-dome uninsulated
cars and says those wil be the first to reach the market. The castings
are very nicely done. I have no idea what his prices will be.

Tom Madden


Prototypes for 6' 6/6/5 "upside down" youngstown door

Andy Carlson
 

I have a small list of verified users of the 6' wide Youngstown post-war steel 6/6/5 door. Ted Culotta has a UP B-50-39 40' 6" ACR HO boxcar resin kit which (witch) uses Dan Hall's accurate door. I have some additions:

Great Northern 40'-0" IL 8 panel plywood sided boxcar # series 10800-10899, the last 100 single door plywood boxcars built new by the GN in 1947. These are the only cars I have found where a nominally 10-6 IH door was used on a 10-0 IH car, a practice GN often followed.

Gulf Mobile & Ohio 40'-6" IL 10 panel riveted single door 10'-6" IH boxcar # series 21000-22419 with 1419 cars listed within the group in 1953, built in 1947.

Nashville Chattanooga & St. Louis 40'-6" IL single door 10 panel riveted steel boxcar # series 19000-19499 with R+3/4 IDE, built in 1947.

Norfolk Southern (original) 40'-6" IL single door 10 panel riveted steel boxcar # series 27000-27249 class XM5 with 4/4 IDE, built in 1947

Union Pacific 40'6" IL 10 panel ACR riveted steel single door boxcar, series 197000-198999 class B-50-39 built in 1947.

I have photo documentation for all of the above acquired from the Gerstley late 50's color slide collection. I have just screened the the "G" through "N", so hopefully, I will find other examples. Feel free to add to this list. Thanks,
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA


SC&F announcement or news at Cocoa Beach?

Rob Kirkham <rdkirkham@...>
 

Thanks Jared - was there anything indicating which versions were coming out first, or price info?

Rob Kirkham


Re: S scale CG ventilated boxcar production starts

Thomas Baker
 

Jim,

Bless you forever: You make those custom cars that others understandably cannot economically do.

Tom

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... on behalf of Jim King
Sent: Sun 1/13/2008 12:18 AM
To: SSPM@...; S-Scale@...; Sn2_Trains@...; RPM-forum@...; STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] S scale CG ventilated boxcar production starts

I'm glad to report that the long-anticipated S scale CofG ventilated boxcar
started production last week. 1-pc body, underframe and detail sheet
castings are being made while pilot model construction is finalized. The
pilot is done except for doors and painting/lettering, which will be done by
week's end. Instructions will follow and shipments will start next week.
Once the pilot model is completed, the current web page will be revised (it
now shows the HO version offered exclusively thru the CGRHS).



It's not to late to order your kit(s) from the first batch. While this kit
will be a stock item for some time to come, once the initial orders are
filled plus a few spares, future orders will be gathered until there are
enough to justify pulling molds for another run. Get 'em while you can.
$76 postpaid covers a complete kit, including trucks, couplers and ALPS
decals ($70 postpaid is less t&c). Contact me off list if using a credit
card. Otherwise, you can order via PayPal directly from my web site (see
link below) or mail a check/money order to the address shown on the "Place
Order" page.



I greatly appreciate everyone's patience with me on this project. Several,
rush jobs from my industrial customers during the past 6 months have pushed
most modeling aside. Also, many new drawings and photos were provided by
the CGHS while the CAD files were being created, further delaying the
project, but I hope you agree that the wait was worth it.



The next 2 kits will be the Southern Ry. 41' flat car, applicable from 1926
to the late 80s in MOW service, and Southern's revolutionary mostly-aluminum
"Silverside" coal gon, running from 1960 to about 4 years ago in at least 5
paint schemes. This will be our first "modern" car but others will follow.
Future kits now in the info-gathering stage include the SAL B7 "turtleback"
boxcar, B&O wagon top boxcar, C&O high side/oval end gon and Milwaukee's 40'
ribbed side boxcar.



Jim King

Smoky Mountain Model Works, Inc.

www.smokymountainmodelworks.com










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S scale CG ventilated boxcar production starts

Jim King
 

I'm glad to report that the long-anticipated S scale CofG ventilated boxcar
started production last week. 1-pc body, underframe and detail sheet
castings are being made while pilot model construction is finalized. The
pilot is done except for doors and painting/lettering, which will be done by
week's end. Instructions will follow and shipments will start next week.
Once the pilot model is completed, the current web page will be revised (it
now shows the HO version offered exclusively thru the CGRHS).



It's not to late to order your kit(s) from the first batch. While this kit
will be a stock item for some time to come, once the initial orders are
filled plus a few spares, future orders will be gathered until there are
enough to justify pulling molds for another run. Get 'em while you can.
$76 postpaid covers a complete kit, including trucks, couplers and ALPS
decals ($70 postpaid is less t&c). Contact me off list if using a credit
card. Otherwise, you can order via PayPal directly from my web site (see
link below) or mail a check/money order to the address shown on the "Place
Order" page.



I greatly appreciate everyone's patience with me on this project. Several,
rush jobs from my industrial customers during the past 6 months have pushed
most modeling aside. Also, many new drawings and photos were provided by
the CGHS while the CAD files were being created, further delaying the
project, but I hope you agree that the wait was worth it.



The next 2 kits will be the Southern Ry. 41' flat car, applicable from 1926
to the late 80s in MOW service, and Southern's revolutionary mostly-aluminum
"Silverside" coal gon, running from 1960 to about 4 years ago in at least 5
paint schemes. This will be our first "modern" car but others will follow.
Future kits now in the info-gathering stage include the SAL B7 "turtleback"
boxcar, B&O wagon top boxcar, C&O high side/oval end gon and Milwaukee's 40'
ribbed side boxcar.



Jim King

Smoky Mountain Model Works, Inc.

www.smokymountainmodelworks.com


Re: Rock Island Converted Troop Sleepers

Tim O'Connor
 

MS Rock Island in Color Vol. 1 has a picture showing both
schemes in 1964. I think all of them were initially Pullman
Green and then gradually repainted. Steve Hile will know when
the repainting began... silver cars existed in 1957, that
much I do know.

Tim O'Connor

At 1/12/2008 08:11 PM Saturday, you wrote:
Just saw Walthers new R.I. converted troop sleepers with steel door.
The models are painted Pullman green and the two-pack cars are numbered
4219 & 4248. Is this paint scheme accurate and what date did they start
to paint these cars silver? Thanks. Mark


Rock Island Converted Troop Sleepers

feddersenmark
 

Just saw Walthers new R.I. converted troop sleepers with steel door.
The models are painted Pullman green and the two-pack cars are numbered
4219 & 4248. Is this paint scheme accurate and what date did they start
to paint these cars silver? Thanks. Mark


Re: Rock Island Decals for Steel Rebuild of USRA DS Boxcar

jerryglow2
 

I asked that question about a month ago and the response was that he
dosen't do that show.

Jerry Glow

--- In STMFC@..., MDelvec952@... wrote:


Does anyone know if Martin is going to Springfield, Mass., end of
this month?

Thanks in advance,

Mike Del Vecchio


Re: SC&F announcement or news at Cocoa Beach?

Jared Harper <harper-brown@...>
 

--- In STMFC@..., Rob Kirkham <rdkirkham@...> wrote:

Just wondering if there was anything new from SC&F on their tank car
models
at Cocoa Beach?

At their display they said about a month.
Jared Harper
Athens, GA


SC&F announcement or news at Cocoa Beach?

Rob Kirkham <rdkirkham@...>
 

Just wondering if there was anything new from SC&F on their tank car models at Cocoa Beach?

Rob Kirkham


Re: DS/SS split 1945 help needed

laramielarry <ostresh@...>
 

Many thanks to Charles Morrill, Tony Thompson, Chet French, Al Brown,
and Garth Groff for their help in identifying the sheathing type of
box, auto and ventilator cars, ca. 1945. They have reduced the number
of "Unknowns" by over 2,400 cars.

Thank you,
Larry Ostresh
Laramie, Wyoming


Re: Rock Island Decals for Steel Rebuild of USRA DS Boxcar

Steve and Barb Hile
 

Upon further review:

The RI Emblem (herald to some) on Steam Era (and later) boxcars was more like 4 feet six inches across, making the Champ separate herald decal still undersized.

The ones that I sell and the ones in the Sunshine kit are correctly sized.

Sorry for not passing more complete information, sooner.

Regards,
Steve Hile

----- Original Message -----
From: jerryglow2
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 7:54 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Rock Island Decals for Steel Rebuild of USRA DS Boxcar


That's good news. They generally sell decals for current items.

Jerry Glow

--- In STMFC@..., shile@... wrote:
>
> Jerry, Matt,
>
> Sunshine has recently re-released the RI USRA rebuilds. They had
them for sale at Naperville.
>
> Perhaps Sunshine will sell just the decals. Otherwise, several of
the RI boxcar decal sets from Champ will provide the Route of the
Rockets slogan. The large logo (herald) is too small in the basic
sets, but they sell a separate 36 inch herald as well.
>
> Shameless plug: I do sell the correct size boxcar heralds (and
also a size for cabooses) in my RI decals. Please contact me off
list for a list of decals.
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Steve Hile
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> >From: jerryglow2 <jerryglow@...>
> >Sent: Jan 9, 2008 7:58 AM
> >To: STMFC@...
> >Subject: [STMFC] Re: Rock Island Decals for Steel Rebuild of USRA
DS Boxcar
> >
> >How do you plan to build the car? I built a SLSF one from Tichy
sides
> >and ends with a scratchbuilt roof but the RI one is taller and
even
> >though I could make modified ends, don't know what to do for the
sides.
> >I made the one I have from a long discontinued Sunshine kit.
> >http://home.comcast.net/~jerryglow/modeling/SLSF_rebuilt.html
> >http://home.comcast.net/~jerryglow/modeling/RI_rebuild.html
> >
> >Jerry Glow
> >
> >--- In STMFC@..., "matthewjstrickland"
> ><matthewjstrickland@> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi Guys,
> >>
> >> I am after some HO Decals for Rock Island Steel Rebuild USRA
Double
> >> Sheathed Boxcar circa 1950.
> >>
> >> Does anybody know if any sets are available and by whom?
> >>
> >> thanks for your help in advance
> >>
> >> Regards
> >>
> >> Matt Strickland
> >>
> >
> >
>


Re: Paint shelf life?

Douglas Harding <dharding@...>
 

Brian, in short, Yes. Badger offers a guarantee on their paint. Contact them
and they will replace the paint. I did this recently after discovering a
number of new bottles, and some open ones, that were just as you describe,
including one with a really bad odor. Badger was very cordial, all I had to
do was send them a list of the paint colors that were bad and they replaced
them.

I have been using Accuflex and later ModelFlex since it first came out.
Requires different airbrush techniques, but I have not had problems with
paint quality until this last year. I attritubted the problem to a couple of
recent moves when my paint was in storage for a length of time.

I have learned when using ModelFlex that I want a supply of hot water handy
for cleaning the airbrush or removing a bad paint job immediately, ie paint
next to the laundry tub if possible. Also have a bottle of Windex/window
cleaner, use it for a final cleaning of the airbrush. The ammonia in the
window cleaner cuts the paint when the hot water doesn't. If you begin
cleaning within 5 minutes you can usually remove the paint with no trouble
(provided you have not set the paint with the hair dryer).

Doug Harding
www.iowacentralrr.org

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Re: Rock Island Decals for Steel Rebuild of USRA DS Boxcar

MDelvec952
 

In a message dated 1/12/2008 11:35:16 AM Eastern Standard Time,
shile@... writes:

The RI Emblem (herald to some) on Steam Era (and later) boxcars was more
like 4 feet six inches across, making the Champ separate herald decal still
undersized.

The ones that I sell and the ones in the Sunshine kit are correctly sized.


<<<<<<<<<<<

When Martin was first getting rolling with Sunshine he would sometimes offer
decals, and a couple of times I sent in requests with car orders. Haven't
dealt with him a long time, though, but I'm glad to hear that he's
re-releasing the Rock Island rebuilds as the ends were correct for a small number of
Lackawanna rebuilds of wood-sided cars into steel autocars.

Does anyone know if Martin is going to Springfield, Mass., end of this month?

Thanks in advance,

Mike Del Vecchio



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Re: NP 1937 AAR rebuild dates

leakinmywaders
 

Frank, Matt may be right, but I think you can probably get a ballpark
answer this way: very few cars in his series were rebuilt in 1955;
nearly all were rebuilt by 1970. If you assume there was a roughly
linear shop rotation of these cars during that interval, you get 7
percent per year rebuilt, or a crude guess on the order of 35 percent
with rebuilt side sills by 1960. Judging from looking at a lot of
photos, I think this isn't far from the mark.

Matt Herson might have more specific data, I know he has looked into
this. A significant proportion of cars in this series were rebuilt
before the NP's adoption of the post-steam-era billboard/jumbo monad
paint scheme.

It's beyond this group's era, but relevant to your quetion that in
years of looking I have located only one or two photographs of NP 40ft
AAR steel boxcars retaining their original tab sills by 1969-70, out
of hundreds of cars examined.

Chris Frissell
Polson, MT

In STMFC@..., "Matt Sugerman" <camas74@...> wrote:


Frank,

I believe the NP started the re-building of these cars in 1957 or 58
and continued into the late 60's...

I don't know what the percentage of rebuilt cars in 1960 is, but I
would guess that the number of rebuild was still small...Seems like
they did the majority of work from 1964 on...

The NP modelers yahoo group has had many posts regarding these cars
also...

Matt Sugerman,
Ft. Worth, TX

--- In STMFC@..., amato@ wrote:

Hello group,

I am working on a few N scale 1937 AAR boxcars (Intermountain), to
be finished
in the NP series 15000-17996. My modeling era is 1960.

Did NP rebuild all of these '37 boxcars by 1960, or were there some
left in the
original config? I searched the message archive but didn't find
any details
about which cars were rebuilt and when.

Thanks!

Frank Amato


Re: Accurail

Richard White
 

Thank you everyone.
Richard White


Re: DS/SS split 1945 - more help needed

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

al brown wrote:
Thompson, Church, and Jones, "Pacific Fruit Express", 1st ed., p86, show CGW 23954: double-sheathed.
The page numbers in the first three-fourths of the book did not change in subsequent editions and printings.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: DS/SS split 1945 - more help needed

al_brown03
 

--- In STMFC@..., "laramielarry" <ostresh@...> wrote:

Hi Folks

Thanks to your help of the past couple of months, the DS/SS/Steel
split for box, auto, and ventilator cars as of 1945 is now known
for about 99% of the U.S. fleet. There remain about 5,000 cars (of
748,000) whose siding type is not known. The list below records
those "unknown" series with 50 or more cars as of January 1945,
about 2/3 of all the unknowns.

The table shows the markings, AAR mechanical designation, kind of
car, series start and stop, interior length, interior height,
nominal capacity (pounds), number of cars in the January 1945 ORER,
and number of cars in the July 1950 ORER.

I would very much appreciate it if someone could tell me the
sheathing type for these cars as of January 1945. If they were re-
sheathed between 1945 and July 1950, I would like to know that as
well; also, build or re-build dates.

Road, AAR, Kind, Series, IL, IH, Door, Capy, Qty 1945, Qty 1950
WofA, XM, Box, 16300-16314, 39' 2", 8' 4", 6' 0", 100000, 146, NA
CG, VA, Box, 7001-7500, 40' 0", 8' 2", 6' 0", 80000, 149, NA
Cooper, "Norfolk & Western's Shenandoah Valley Line", p137, shows CG
7327: double-sheathed.

CG, XM, Box, 50001-50300, 40' 0", 8' 0", 6' 0", 80000, 93, NA
CG, VA, Box, 50301-50490, 40' 0", 8' 0", 6' 0", 80000, 99, NA
GM&O, XM, Box, 4600-4999, 40' 0", 8' 0", 6' 0", 80000, 141, NA
WM, XM, Box, 26300-26599, 40' 6", 9' 0", 6' 0", 100000, 290, NA
PS&N, XM, Box, 9700-9799, 40' 4", 7' 10", 6' 0", 80000, 97, NA
Mainline Modeler 11/86, p35, shows PS&N 9700: a Mather single-
sheathed car.

CRI, XM, Box, 6000-6539, 40' 6", 8' 8", 6' 0", 80000, 121, NA
NJI&I, XA, Auto, 2000-2149, 40' 6", 10' 6", 10' 0", 80000, 141, 136
NJI&I, XA, Auto, 3000-3199, 40' 6", 10' 0", 10' 0", 80000, 53, 29
NJI&I, XM, Box, 78000-78199, 40' 6", 10' 0", 6' 0", 80000, 144, 165
AA, XM, Box, 69600-69974, 40' 0", 8' 0", 6' 0", 80000, 85, 9
C&EI, XM, Box, 63000-63189, 40' 0", 9' 11", 6' 0", 80000, 155, NA
SLSF, XM, Box, 13000-13247, 36' 2", 6' 8", 4' 11", 80000, 246, NA
EJ&E, XM, Box, 60000-60399, 40' 0", 8' 0", 5' 3", 100000, 257, NA
CGW, XM, Box, 22000-25798, 40' 0", 8' 6", 6' 0", 80000, 135, NA
Thompson, Church, and Jones, "Pacific Fruit Express", 1st ed., p86,
show CGW 23954: double-sheathed.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.

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