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Re: F&C Kits: accuracy

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Tim O'Connor wrote:
ACL 41'6" War Emergency composite gondolas, series 93600-93899, later rebuilt with steel sides. This kit also is good for SP's large fleet of WE gondolas likewise rebuilt with steel sides
Comments: these were all lettered T&NO (or TNO after 1958) until well after 1961, so only "SP" in that sense. Quite a few were indeed rebuilt with steel sides (almost half the fleet), but that didn't start until the late 1950s. The F&C wood-side version is fine for the T&NO cars; many went to scrap in the '60s in that form.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Bronx freight houses

Malcolm Laughlin <mlaughlinnyc@...>
 

That brings back interesting memories. I recall in the 50'sa nd 60's looking down on the Harlem Transfer from an NYC commuter train and seeing that box cab diesel.

Both the CNJ and DL&W circular freight houses were homes for some of the earliest diesels, the Ingersoll Rand box cabs.


Malcolm Laughlin, Editor 617-489-4383
New England Rail Shipper Directories
19 Holden Road, Belmont, MA 02478


Re: Grit-blasting parts

jerryglow2
 

Look in the yellow pages for a place that sells abrasives. That's how
I found a dealer when I was on the west coast. Guess I'll have to do
a search all over when I need replacements again now that I'm in
Florida and not really near any big city (Tampa and Orlando both
about an hour away).

Jerry Glow

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Raymond V. Young" <rayvirg@...> wrote:

Hello,

Does anyone know of replacement nozzle holders with hoses for the
grit-
blasting cabinet once sold by Northeastern (something or other)?
It is
used to grit-blast freight car trucks prior to painting. (Required
freight car content).

Virgil Young
Amarillo, TX


Re: F&C Kits: accuracy

Tim O'Connor
 

ACL 41'6" War Emergency composite gondolas, series 93600-93899,
later rebuilt with steel sides. This kit also is good for SP's
large fleet of WE gondolas likewise rebuilt with steel sides

I do not know which the ACL car refers to; a 52' WE gon or their steel
rebuild of a USRA car??. I have both, and both are old-style kits that you
build from individual pieces with no detail on the backs. You need to add
interior detail on the gons.
Elden Gatwood


Re: GN 2500 aluminum box

benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
 

Carl Marsico wrote:
"Didn't Sunshine do the GN #2500? "

No. Sunshine did do various aluminum boxcars in the 63.x series, but
not GN 2500. See Jim Hayes' list in the files ection for details.


Ben Hom


Re: F&C Kits: accuracy

Gatwood, Elden J SAD <Elden.J.Gatwood@...>
 

Ben is quite right; they vary a lot.



I do not know which the ACL car refers to; a 52' WE gon or their steel
rebuild of a USRA car??. I have both, and both are old-style kits that you
build from individual pieces with no detail on the backs. You need to add
interior detail on the gons.



The M-53 has issues; the key one being underframe, but also the shape of the
ribs does not exactly replicate the prototype; otherwise, about the same as
the Sunshine kit, which is not much better. They can be made to make a nice
model.



Some of those you have not mentioned are better. I had a lot of fun with the
B&M well hole flat. I also liked the NYC steel rebuild gon.



I have used the PRR GR with some success. It requires making and laminating
a riveted end sill top, and adding interior board detail, but as with the
bulk of F&C kits; they are inexpensive when bought at shows/meets, so can be
a big bargain when getting cars no one else makes or when you need a lot of a
particular type.



Elden Gatwood



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From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
destron@vcn.bc.ca
Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 2:02 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [STMFC] F&C Kits




I use SeaMonkey normally, and the F&C website didn't completely work in
that or Firefox on a Linux platform. I *just* now tried the Dillo browser
(an exceptionally light browser), and it works: probably not as the site
designers intended, but it works: I get the HO freight cars page with all
the sub-links visible. Hooray for free software that's better than
payware. :)

On topic now: In general terms, how accurate are F&C kits? I'd be
interested in the ACL war emergency gon, the M53s, CofG 32 ARA car, the
MP54 (not a freight car, I know), and a few others.

Frank Valoczy
Vancouver, BC

As a Mac user, I have to agree. If it were "standard" HTML, ANY browser
would work fine. Safari and Firefox do not work at all. Apparently,
Microsoft has decided to drop out of the Mac browser field. Something
about
not being able to compete with a bundled browser, I guess.
--
Thanks!

Brian Ehni



From: Jim & Lisa Hayes <jimandlisa97225@verizon.net
<mailto:jimandlisa97225%40verizon.net> >
Reply-To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> >
Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 08:57:36 -0800
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> >
Subject: RE: [STMFC] F&C Kits





I'm a regular Mozilla user but I've resigned myself to using IE to see all
of F&C's website. Parts of it just don't work for me with Mozilla.
Especially the freight car area.
Call, write, or email them and ask for their latest list. It's not a
complete list of all kits but it includes the newest ones and some deals
on
older ones.

Jim Hayes
Portland Oregon

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Subject: Re: [STMFC] F&C Kits

The F&C web site works only in Internet Explorer.
This isn't accurate. Mozzila, AOL, Comcast and Verizon proprietary
browsers
all work. Using IE and looking at the source code, the site is in standard
HTML.
Rich Orr





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Re: GN 2500 aluminum box

Carl J. Marsico <Carlmarsico@...>
 

Didn't Sunshine do the GN #2500? I also thought I saw Intermountain announce the plywood-sided boxcars, too.

Finally, if you want to avoid Pennsy boxcars and stay within the steam era, you may want to consider modeling Hawaiian narrow gauge....

CJM

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Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 12:36:55 AM
Subject: [STMFC] GN 2500 aluminum box


I picked up the CDS dry transfer set for the GN #2500 aluminum boxcar...
and now I'm wondering if anybody might suggest a way to model this car.

I'd also be curious to know how one might model one of the plywood-sided
cars like #44502.

On a final note... I've become a Pennsy modeler... (*burns with shame* ;)
). Picked up the Bowser X31f kit today.

Frank Valoczy
Vancouver, BC

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Re: Tichy Georgia SS rebuild

Steve Lucas <stevelucas3@...>
 

I'd like to know as well, so that I can correct the inacurracy on the
Tichy model.

Steve Lucas.

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Pitzer" <scottp459@...> wrote:

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Smith <smithbf@> wrote:
It might be easier to model the home made welded roof ;^) To do
that, I just shaved off all of the seam caps on the Tichy roof.
You
can lightly scribe or even use 0.010" styrene rod or half round
(albeit oversized) to model the weld beads if you like.
=========================================================
That's what I intend to do, and fairly soon (a local shop cut the
price
because no one builds kits anymore.)
But how many weld seams should there be?

Scott Pitzer


Re: Tichy Georgia SS rebuild

Bruce Smith
 

On Jan 29, 2008, at 8:21 AM, Scott Pitzer wrote:

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:
It might be easier to model the home made welded roof ;^) To do
that, I just shaved off all of the seam caps on the Tichy roof. You
can lightly scribe or even use 0.010" styrene rod or half round
(albeit oversized) to model the weld beads if you like.
=========================================================
That's what I intend to do, and fairly soon (a local shop cut the price
because no one builds kits anymore.)
But how many weld seams should there be?

Scott Pitzer
Scott,

Its hard to tell from photos. The panels appear to overlap at the seams by several inches, but the joints look relatively smooth. That's why I did not bother to model the joints at all <G>. It also appears that the running board supports were mounted on the seams. That makes sense, since the area is twice as thick, and more than likely overlies a carline. Unlike the radial roof, which has narrow end panels, all of the panels appear to be the same width. I count 13 running board supports, 2 at each end and 11 intermediate, so there are most likely 12 panels in the welded roof.

Regards
Bruce

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Re: Covered hoppers for sand

Tim O'Connor
 

an 'operating day' takes about 4 months x 2 op sessions
per month to complete...

North Shore Model Railroad Club. Come and see us if you're ever in the Boston area. Visitors with some knowledge of operations are welcome to participate in our monthly operating session. We run 50 to 60 trains in an operating day.


Re: Grit-blasting parts

brianehni <behni@...>
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Raymond V. Young" <rayvirg@...> wrote:

Hello,

Does anyone know of replacement nozzle holders with hoses for the grit-
blasting cabinet once sold by Northeastern (something or other)? It is
used to grit-blast freight car trucks prior to painting. (Required
freight car content).

Virgil Young
Amarillo, TX
Try your local grit-blasting supply house; they should have a variety of sizes.

Brian Ehni


Re: Tichy Georgia SS rebuild

Scott Pitzer
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:
It might be easier to model the home made welded roof ;^) To do
that, I just shaved off all of the seam caps on the Tichy roof. You
can lightly scribe or even use 0.010" styrene rod or half round
(albeit oversized) to model the weld beads if you like.
=========================================================
That's what I intend to do, and fairly soon (a local shop cut the price
because no one builds kits anymore.)
But how many weld seams should there be?

Scott Pitzer


Grit-blasting parts

Raymond Young
 

Hello,

Does anyone know of replacement nozzle holders with hoses for the grit-
blasting cabinet once sold by Northeastern (something or other)? It is
used to grit-blast freight car trucks prior to painting. (Required
freight car content).

Virgil Young
Amarillo, TX


Re: Tichy Georgia SS rebuild

Bruce Smith
 

On Jan 28, 2008, at 11:09 PM, Tom Madden wrote:

Don Worthy wrote:

hey guys
could I ask "what should the roof look like for the Georgia car?"
Maybe something I could scratch build or modify.
Thank you for any help
Don Worthy
Ivey, Ga.
Here's a photo of a spare body casting done from Ted's pattern:
http://home.att.net/~pullmanproject/Georgia.jpg

Hope this helps.
It might be easier to model the home made welded roof ;^) To do that, I just shaved off all of the seam caps on the Tichy roof. You can lightly scribe or even use 0.010" styrene rod or half round (albeit oversized) to model the weld beads if you like.

Regards
Bruce

Bruce F. Smith
Auburn, AL
http://www.vetmed.auburn.edu/index.pl/bruce_f._smith2

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Re: GN 2500 aluminum box

Bruce Smith
 

On Jan 29, 2008, at 6:14 AM, benjaminfrank_hom wrote:
"I'd also be curious to know how one might model one of the
plywood-sided cars like #44502."
Ben Hom replied

Again, the Sunshine 79.x series kits. 79.1-79.4 model cars with
Dreadnaught ends; the rest of the kits model cars with Improved
Dreadnaught ends. See Jim Hayes' list for details.
In addition, Intermountain has announced the release of these cars, and was showing a test shot at Cocoa Beach. Their web site lists a Jun/July release date.

Regards
Bruce

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Auburn, AL
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Re: Bronx freight houses

Monk Alan <Alan.Monk@...>
 

Ah.. just answered my own question... plate 009
(http://www.historicmapworks.com/Sections/Maps/viewPlateUS-777.htm)
shows it as the Lehigh Valley's Bronx Terminal.

Can anyone point me in the direction of references for this please,
either print or online??

TIA,
Alan.

-----Original Message-----
From: Monk Alan
Sent: 29 January 2008 12:27



I know the lower pair, CNJ (plot #2316) and Harlem Terminal
(plot #2319)
and both well documented on and off-line... BUT! What's the one
slightly
further up the Harlem River, by the 149th St bridge (plot
#2349)??

I have plans (one day...) to build either the CNJ or HT yards,
their
operations fascinate me, stocked and destocked using carfloats
(portable
staging!) and just endless switching ^_^

Cheers,
Alan,
London, UK


-----Original Message-----
From: Westerfield
Sent: 29 January 2008 02:49



Some time ago someone posted a photo of a circular freight
house. A member of the NYC_transit_modelers_group posted this
map of the
Bronx in 1942 which shows quite a number of pocket yards, 3 of
which
appear to have circular freight houses:

http://www.historicmapworks.com/Sections/Maps/Browse_Atlases/ViewAtlasPl
<http://www.historicmapworks.com/Sections/Maps/Browse_Atlases/ViewAtlasP
l>
atesUS-679-NY.htm

<http://www.historicmapworks.com/Sections/Maps/Browse_Atlases/ViewAtlasP
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Re: Bronx freight houses

Monk Alan <Alan.Monk@...>
 

I know the lower pair, CNJ (plot #2316) and Harlem Terminal (plot #2319)
and both well documented on and off-line... BUT! What's the one slightly
further up the Harlem River, by the 149th St bridge (plot #2349)??

I have plans (one day...) to build either the CNJ or HT yards, their
operations fascinate me, stocked and destocked using carfloats (portable
staging!) and just endless switching ^_^

Cheers,
Alan,
London, UK

-----Original Message-----
From: Westerfield
Sent: 29 January 2008 02:49



Some time ago someone posted a photo of a circular freight
house. A member of the NYC_transit_modelers_group posted this map of the
Bronx in 1942 which shows quite a number of pocket yards, 3 of which
appear to have circular freight houses:
http://www.historicmapworks.com/Sections/Maps/Browse_Atlases/ViewAtlasPl
atesUS-679-NY.htm
<http://www.historicmapworks.com/Sections/Maps/Browse_Atlases/ViewAtlasP
latesUS-679-NY.htm>

- Al Westerfield


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Re: GN 2500 aluminum box

benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
 

Frank Valoczy asked:
"I picked up the CDS dry transfer set for the GN #2500 aluminum
boxcar...and now I'm wondering if anybody might suggest a way to
model this car."

GN 2500 is a bit of an oddball, even among other aluminum freight
cars of the time, which tended to be one-offs. This car is an
aluminum analog to GN's plywood boxcars being built at the same
time. The details:

- Built 11-1944
- Assigned to Express service; AB-1-B brakes, steam and signal lines
- 10 ft IH
- 8 panel sides, side sill resembles that of contemporary GN plywood
boxcars
- 4/5 Dreadnaught Ends
- Universal handbrake
- Apex brakestep
- 5/6/5 Camel door
- 8 rung ladders
- Murphy rectanguar panel roof
- Running board appears to be Morton (not indicated on my copy of
equipment diagram)
- Timken roller bearing trucks.

Prototype photo on page 10 of RP Cyc 8; the Fraternal Order of
Empire Builders (predecessor to the GN Historical Society) also
issued an information sheet years ago. The modeling recommendations
are OBE, but the sheet includes an equipment diagram and a broadside
GN publicity photograph (car reweighed 8-43).

Unfortunately, there is no "magic bullet" for modeling these cars -
it's easy enough to come up with a cabody with the same basic
dimensions, but the toughest part is coming up with the 8 panel
sides. The sides from the Tichy PMcK&Y/P&LE is one possibility, but
they may be too short in height. Another possible approach is the
one GN took - start with the Sunshine 79.1-79.4 series GN wartime
plywood kit and replacing the seam caps on the sides with rivet
lines.


"I'd also be curious to know how one might model one of the
plywood-sided cars like #44502."

Again, the Sunshine 79.x series kits. 79.1-79.4 model cars with
Dreadnaught ends; the rest of the kits model cars with Improved
Dreadnaught ends. See Jim Hayes' list for details.


Ben Hom


GN 2500 aluminum box

destron@...
 

I picked up the CDS dry transfer set for the GN #2500 aluminum boxcar...
and now I'm wondering if anybody might suggest a way to model this car.

I'd also be curious to know how one might model one of the plywood-sided
cars like #44502.

On a final note... I've become a Pennsy modeler... (*burns with shame* ;)
). Picked up the Bowser X31f kit today.

Frank Valoczy
Vancouver, BC

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Re: Tichy Georgia SS rebuild

Tom Madden <tgmadden@...>
 

Don Worthy wrote:

hey guys
could I ask "what should the roof look like for the Georgia car?"
Maybe something I could scratch build or modify.
Thank you for any help
Don Worthy
Ivey, Ga.
Here's a photo of a spare body casting done from Ted's pattern:
http://home.att.net/~pullmanproject/Georgia.jpg

Hope this helps.

Tom Madden

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