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Canadian boxcars in the USA

ian clasper <ianclasper@...>
 

Hi Guys

Now that the freight car nuts from north of the border are awake, I will
throw this international question in their general direction.

What proportion of the Canadian freight car fleet traveled south to
destinations in the USA ?

Ian Clasper




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Re: April Shot of the Month

Dennis Rockwell <dennis@...>
 

On 2 Apr, Ted Culotta wrote:

The April Shot of the Month is up. [ ... ]
http://www.steamfreightcars.com/gallery/shot%20of%20mo/shotofmoapr02.html
Is the first car in the fourth team track one of the
roof-bunker reefers? Had a bunker the length of the car
under the roof; this is supposition from the extra hatches
and the low door.

Dennis


Penick & Ford Tank Car Decals

lodged2000 <lodged@...>
 

Richard,

If he does the P&F decal set I'll take enough to do at least six and
probably more. L. Keyser will want some too.

Don Lodge
The Fourth Street Lines

I also have photos of several GATX 8K ICC-203s assigned to corn syrup
service and stenciled for Clinton or Penick & Ford. I'm going to try to
pursuade Allen to do a decal set for these as well.

Richard H. Hendrickson
Ashland, Oregon 97520


Re: Sending money to Canada

Stafford Swain <sswain@...>
 

Hi Bll:

I was pandering to the larger U.S.-based audience.

Oh yes, I can spell Bill correctly but . . . <g>.

Safford,

I always thought that the correct spelling was "cheque" up
your way!

Bill Daniels
Tucson, AZ

On Tue, 2 Apr 2002 08:49:41 -0600
Stafford Swain <sswain@...> wrote:

Our banks and credit unions will take any U.S.-origin
"check" (see my
'correct' spelling)

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Re: Sending money to Canada

Stafford Swain <sswain@...>
 

Hi:

I'll second that experience on CN LINES and our CN Lines SIG book and product selling efforts.

However, I wanted to point out that the only person at any risk (or even having to think much about the transaction) would be the Canadian-based payee not the U.S.-based payor.

Actually, due to our different laws as to what is fraudulent, Canadian-based cheque writers are far more inclined to be paper hangars than U.S. check writers.

Stafford Swain wrote:


The only "risk" for the depositing recipient is that the item will
later bounce. However, the recipient can take the risk out of same by
simply waiting about ten days before shipping the goods.
Over several years of taking thousands of personal checks (cheques) from
American and Canadian customers, we have NEVER had one bounce. Al
Westerfield once attested the same thing on another list.

Cheers,

Ian
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Re: Sending money to Canada

Stafford Swain <sswain@...>
 

True but a lot of Canadian-origin products in our tiny industry have a U.S. price which INCLUDES the higher price of international shipping.

So, if you send them the Canadian price in Canadian dollars they will likely want more money before they ship. As I said before mail a U.S. dollar check and the Canadian manufacturer/distributor/dealer will be happy!

Dear List:
When I sent a check to purchase something in Canada I first went to
Google and searched exchange rates. If the company gives you the
cost in Canadian dollars it is easy to convert that to American
dollars so you can write the check for that amount. It worked great
for me.

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Re: Convincing Model Freight Train Length

Mike Brock <brockm@...>
 

One technique that seems to work fairly well is to make a frt train longer
than the scenes it will roll through. Thus, if the scene will hold an engine
and 20 cars, a 30 car train works pretty well because after the engine is
gone from view we still see cars emerging from the other side of the
scene...giving one the impression that we see in person. Illusion is, after
all, what we're doing. Unfortunately, making trains longer than scenes tends
to make them longer than passing sidings. Oh well...

Mike Brock


Re: Vinegar Cars

Garth G. Groff <ggg9y@...>
 

Dave,

I'm not quite sure of the street location where I saw the car (and don't have a map handy), but I can
give you the general area. There is/was an SP yard just east of and parallel to the #17 freeway. It would
have been roughly a mile north of the Fruitvale bridge between Oakland and Alameda. Does that sound like
the same general area?

I don't know if there are currently any kits for these cars. However, Ambroid used to offer a wooden kit,
and maybe Gloor Craft still does. Knowing how often their kits actually were built, you could probably
find one on the used market. There was also an article on how to build one of these in MR sometime during
the 1950s (possibly a "Dollar Car"). IIRC, it was reprinted in the 1970s in the Kalmbach book on easy
freight car projects which I still have. If you can't find this article, let me know and I can send you a
copy. I also have a pretty good 3/4 photo of a similar car preserved at the Orange Empire Railway museum
which I can scan for you. Good end detail.

Kind regards,


Garth G. Groff

Dave & Libby Nelson wrote:


Thanks Garth. All I need to hear. The Standards Brand plant is at 98th Ave
at San Leandro street -- the end of the long Kohler siding jointly served by
the SP and WP. Perhaps that car you saw was routed to/from that plant.

Raises a different question: are there any nice HO scale models of such cars,
suitable for 1950?

Dave Nelson

-----Original Message-----
From: Garth G. Groff [mailto:ggg9y@...]
Tom and Dave,

I spotted a wooden vinegar tank on the SP at Oakland, California,
around 1975. No picture, sorry. I was
zooming by on the #17 freeway.

Kind regards,


Garth G. Groff


Re: Vinegar Cars

Dave & Libby Nelson <muskoka@...>
 

Thanks Garth. All I need to hear. The Standards Brand plant is at 98th Ave
at San Leandro street -- the end of the long Kohler siding jointly served by
the SP and WP. Perhaps that car you saw was routed to/from that plant.

Raises a different question: are there any nice HO scale models of such cars,
suitable for 1950?

Dave Nelson

-----Original Message-----
From: Garth G. Groff [mailto:ggg9y@...]
Tom and Dave,

I spotted a wooden vinegar tank on the SP at Oakland, California,
around 1975. No picture, sorry. I was
zooming by on the #17 freeway.

Kind regards,


Garth G. Groff


Re: Vinegar Cars

Dave & Libby Nelson <muskoka@...>
 

Interesting.

I'm asking as last night I was looking at a Sanborn map and there was a
Standard Brands facility shown (Oakland CA) that I know is standing today --
it makes Yeast. An interesting collection of tanks, pipes, and 1920's
California stucco architecture. The map suggests rail receipt of molasses,
perhaps rail shipments of dry yeast (but it could have all been done locally
by trucks), and large wooden vinegar vats. Input or output of the process? I
dunno. Either way, how did they move such a large volume of vinegar?

DSave Nelson

-----Original Message-----
From: Ian Wilson [mailto:iwilson@...]

--- Dave Nelson <muskoka@...> wrote:
When did wooden vinegar cars become obsolete and what
kind of tank car replaced them?
Reinhart Vinegar in Stayner, Ontario was still shipping vinegar in a
wooden car in the early 1970s. The CNR guys called their car the
"vinegar jug".


Re: Vinegar Cars

Garth G. Groff <ggg9y@...>
 

Tom and Dave,

I spotted a wooden vinegar tank on the SP at Oakland, California, around 1975. No picture, sorry. I was
zooming by on the #17 freeway.

Kind regards,


Garth G. Groff


Tom Gloger wrote:


--- Dave Nelson <muskoka@...> wrote:
When did wooden vinegar cars become obsolete and what
kind of tank car replaced them?
Data point: ca. 1940, Gregory-Robinson-Speas in Rogers,
Arkansas shipped 3,000,000 gallons annually in wooden
tank cars to the South and Southwest.

ca. 1965, I _think_ I remember seeing a wooden tank car
near Clyborn station on the C&NW.

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Re: Vinegar Cars

Ian Wilson <iwilson@...>
 

--- Dave Nelson <muskoka@...> wrote:
When did wooden vinegar cars become obsolete and what
kind of tank car replaced them?
Reinhart Vinegar in Stayner, Ontario was still shipping vinegar in a
wooden car in the early 1970s. The CNR guys called their car the
"vinegar jug".

Cheers,

Ian
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Re: Sending money to Canada

Ian Wilson <iwilson@...>
 

Stafford Swain wrote:


The only "risk" for the depositing recipient is that the item will
later bounce. However, the recipient can take the risk out of same by
simply waiting about ten days before shipping the goods.
Over several years of taking thousands of personal checks (cheques) from
American and Canadian customers, we have NEVER had one bounce. Al
Westerfield once attested the same thing on another list.

Cheers,

Ian
-------
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Box 2565, Orillia, ON L3V 7B1 http://www.canadianbranchline.com
tel/fax (705) 327-5397; mailto:iwilson@...
Publishers of books on CNR steam operations in Ontario during the 1950s


Re: Vinegar Cars

Tom Gloger
 

--- Dave Nelson <muskoka@...> wrote:
When did wooden vinegar cars become obsolete and what
kind of tank car replaced them?
Data point: ca. 1940, Gregory-Robinson-Speas in Rogers,
Arkansas shipped 3,000,000 gallons annually in wooden
tank cars to the South and Southwest.

ca. 1965, I _think_ I remember seeing a wooden tank car
near Clyborn station on the C&NW.

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April Wish List - Detail Parts

Ted Culotta <ted_culotta@...>
 

OK, the March Wish List for decals provide to be a
less than rousing success. This one may prove more
interesting to you. I have a new Wish List for April
that is for detail parts. The link is below.

For HO Scale, I have listed some suggested parts (I
will be adding links to photos of them over the next
few days). For other scales, you will have to submit
via suggestions, unless you like the HO list.

PLEASE participate. I would like to send this info to
manufacturers and have it mean something.

The link is:
http://www.steamfreightcars.com/modeling/wish%20list/wishlist042002main.html

Thank you.

Ted Culotta

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Re: Convincing Model Freight Train Length

Jeff English
 

Jeff Aley - GCD PE <jaley@...> wrote:

On Mar 29, 11:43am, Richard Hendrickson wrote:
How many cars make up a convincing model freight train length ?

IMO, twenty cars behind a main line steam loco won't cut it but forty or
so
may give the impression of a suitably long consist. Of course, YMMV.
The key answer here is Richard's "YMMV". Anything less than prototypical
length is a compromise. Each person has to rationalize his or her own
compromises and decide what is "acceptable".

The same concept applies to minimum radius -- at what point to 50' box
cars look "ridiculous"? Some would say at 24"; others say nothing less
than 48" will do.

The best you can do is ask for a vote. My vote is for about 12 - 15 feet
of length for a mainline freight (in HO scale).

Don't forget that people in different scales will likely have different
answers!
I'm not going to take that "other scale" bait, but I would like to
point out that many fans of the Rutland RR agree that part of its
appeal is that, while still a Class 1 road, its operations were
sufficiently low-intensity to allow modelers to come closer to
capturing the whole effect in scale within the practical confines of
the average basement. A 20-car through-freight on the Rutland
would be entirely plausible, and they also ran some 100-car trains
as well.
Here are some data for number of cars in Train 9, the main
westbound interchange train, out of Alburgh, Vermont in 1942:

9/21: 28
9/22: 51
9/23: 56
9/24: 69
9/25: 43
9/26: 71
9/27: 79
9/28: 21
9/29: 72
9/30: 57
10/1: 78
10/2: 34
10/3: 88
10/4: 72
10/5: 32
10/6: 48
10/7: 71
10/8: 78
10/9: 54
10/10: 67
10/11: 57
10/12: 72
10/13: 70
10/14: 45
10/15: 63
10/16: 29
10/17: 85
10/18: 62
10/19: 30
10/20: 65
10/21: 53
10/22: 69
10/23: 28
10/24: 70
10/25: 59
10/26: 23
10/27: 52
10/28: 48
10/29: 40
10/30: 63
10/31: 69


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Re: GATX Lettering

Jeff English
 

Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@...> wrote:

Any chance of getting these in any scales other than HO?
Obviously, I'm looking for S-scale, but I'm not the only one who
wants other-than-HO. Since these are pure black, wouldn't they
lend themsleves to decent resolution on an Alps printer?
Sorry, Jeff, but the decal set is white (for black cars), not black.
Yes, well, chalk it up to graphic dyslexia.

However, enlarging the artwork to 1:64 wouldn't be a big deal, and maybe
you could team up with some other S scalers to order enough sets so that
Allen would consider doing so.
That can be looked into, but does not answer my question
about whether handfuls of sets could be done on an Alps printer.

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Re: 1937 box cars questions

Jeff English
 

ljack70117@... wrote:

Sorry you mis read my post. If I remember the way they assembled was a
round rod on the back od the side frame snapped in to the bolster like the
Intermountain trucks. I said nothing about spring plank but was referring
to the assembly Thank you Larry Jackman
Sorry for misinterpreting what you said. While this type of
assembly makes sense for model construction, I've never evaluated
whether the assembly has low enough stiffness to allow effective
equalization. My conclusion is that equalization is not necessary
for freight car trucks in P:64 but may be helpful. It seems,
however, to be necessary for 8-ft wheelbase trucks typical of 1st-
generation Diesel locomotives.

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April Shot of the Month

Ted Culotta <ted_culotta@...>
 

The April Shot of the Month is up (link below). Can
anyone help to identify the refrigerator car pictured
in the bottom right hand corner of the photo (behind
the Wabash single sheathed auto car). Only the roof
is visible, but those metal strips for the hatches to
rest on should provide some clue to somebody to help
identify it. Also in the left hand corner, up where
the last freight cars are, there is an SP 36' double
sheathed box car behind the P&LE 1937 AAR car. Can
anyone help with the identification of that car (and
provide a photo)? I think it had truss rods, but I do
not know. Enjoy.

http://www.steamfreightcars.com/gallery/shot%20of%20mo/shotofmoapr02.html

Ted Culotta
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Re: Sending money to Canada

billd@...
 

Safford,

I always thought that the correct spelling was "cheque" up your way!

Bill Daniels
Tucson, AZ

On Tue, 2 Apr 2002 08:49:41 -0600
Stafford Swain <sswain@...> wrote:

Our banks and credit unions will take any U.S.-origin "check" (see my 'correct' spelling)

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