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NYC Auto Box
Guy Wilber
Ben Hom wrote:
Lot 633-B, steel automobile boxcars rebuilt in 1935 from Lot 357-B DS automobile boxcars... NYC 56000 is equipped with auto racks, but they aren't Evans Auto~Loaders. The designation "C" on the right door underneath the white stripe indicates that the car is equipped with NYC's own rack system utilizing Evans tie downs for the autos (or trucks) that were stowed on the car floor. The "C" stood for Combination while other NYC cars equipped with complete NYC designed racks and tie downs were designated (as such) with an "N" in the same position. The NYC "C" equipped cars may have been equipped with floor tubes, I have not seen any photo (or diagram) confirmation of such. Either application of racks may also have had stencils; 36, 36+, 37 or 38 applied below the letter designation indicating alterations of the rack to accommodate automobile and/or truck models from those specific model years. A "+" indicated the car racking system was modified to accommodate larger model vehicles such as the Hudson. All of the above marking were made obsolete in March of 1939 with the adoption of the Auto Car Lettering "Standards" as shown within Bulletin 28 included within the ORER from July, 1945 forward. Guy Wilber West Bend, WI **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598)
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Re: tools for building freight cars sorta of close to topic
Charles Hladik
Jon,
IIRC Sears has them in the Crafstman line, never have to buy another again. Chuck Hladik Rutland Railroad Virginia Division NMRA L5756 **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598)
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Re: More with Ventilated cars
Scott Pitzer
The small "swamp cooler" my grandmother had in the 1960s, apparently
had excelsior in it to hold water up in front of the fan (today they have synthetic pads.) Scott Pitzer
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Re: 6 Dome wine tank cars
Eddie Stavleu <eddiestavleu@...>
Thank you Richard
I would appreciate some photos and if you know any letter colors that would be great. From what I have seen way back there was a ROMA MADERA and a MARTINI and a AMBROSI / AMBROSE I have the HO Roco cars that will do me for these. D&RGW had one as a water car for MOW Thanking you Eddie Stavleu Australia > But where can I find some photos preferably in color of 6 dome wine > tank cars. Would like to paint some in correct scemes. Color photos of six compartment wine cars are few and far between, and generally date from Recent Activity a.. 7New Members b.. 1New Photos c.. 6New Files Visit Your Group Y! Sports for TV Game Day Companion Live fantasy league & game stats on TV. Yahoo! News Kevin Sites Get coverage of world crises. All-Bran Day 10 Club on Yahoo! Groups Feel better with fiber. .
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Re: Tank Car Unloading was: oil for roads
Douglas Harding <dharding@...>
Steve thanks for catching my typo on the car number. And yes the analysis is
fun. Your comments are appreciated, esp to the fact the car has heater coils. The truck may be a hot oil or hot tar truck, with propane tanks for heating. The tall verticle tank on the bumper looks to be the propane tank. And the small trailer looks to have its own engine for driving the pump along with a fuel tank or possible water tank for producing steam? It could also have a heating element. The car does not appear to be located where it could be connected to a supply of steam for heating. Could that trailer be a source of heat/steam for heating the car? Doug Harding www.iowacentralrr.org No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.8/1289 - Release Date: 2/20/2008 10:26 AM
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Re: More with Ventilated cars
Tom Madden <tgmadden@...>
Back before we had styrofoam peanuts, Excelsior was a commonly-usedACL 18102 - Excelsior (I have NO idea what this might have been)Excelsior (wood wool) an Aspen-fiber material similar to wood packing material for glassware and other fragile items. Tom Madden Veni, Vedi, Velcro I came, I saw, I stuck around
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Re: 6 Dome wine tank cars
Richard Hendrickson
On Feb 20, 2008, at 6:07 PM, Eddie wrote:
Have looked and read lots of the posts on wine cars , there is a lotColor photos of six compartment wine cars are few and far between, and generally date from the 1960s or later, well beyond the steam era. B/W photos are another matter; I have many of those, and for most cars they're adequate because both GATX and SHPX painted their wine tank cars aluminum with black underframes and bottom sheets and black lettering. Most had only reporting marks, numbers, and data. In a few cases, cars were in assigned service to a particular winery but the lettering identifying the lessee was also usually black and in those rare instances where the lettering was partly in color (e.g. Roma Wine), the color of the lettering is known. If you can give me a clearer idea of the cars you want to model, I can send you some scans off-list. Richard Hendrickson
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O Scale decals for sale
Bill Lane
HI All,
I have 12 sets of Microscale O Scale C&O hopper car decal set # 48-712 for sale. All are new in sealed envelopes. Best offer takes them home. Of course, installation http://www.lanestrains.com/O_Scale.htm of these decals on the brass car of your choice is also available. Please reply directly to bill@... if you are interested. Thank You, Bill Lane Modeling the Mighty Pennsy & PRSL in 1957 in S Scale since 1988 See my finished models at: http://www.lanestrains.com Winner of the 2007 Josh Seltzer NASG Website Award Look at what has been made in PRR in S Scale! Importing a Brass S Scale PRR X29 & G26 http://www.pennsysmodels.com PRR Builders Photos Bought, Sold & Traded (Trading is MUCH preferred) http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRphotos.xls ***Join the PRR T&HS*** The other members are not ALL like me! http://www.prrths.com http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRTHS_Application.pdf Join the Pennsylvania Reading Seashore Lines Historical Society It's FREE (for now) http://www.prslhs.com Preserving The Memory Of The PRSL No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.8/1288 - Release Date: 2/19/2008 8:47 PM
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Re: More with Ventilated cars
al_brown03
Niter is the mineral form of potassium nitrate a.k.a. saltpeter,
presumably shipped in bags. Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla. --- In STMFC@..., destron@... wrote: and 1946 lists that were uploaded.three: Manassas, Monroe, Potomac Yard areas in Virginia, as out of 1740 cars listed,only 21 were ventilated cars (VA and VM): the three C&O cars above, plusone ACL, nine L&N, three SAL and five CG. The non-C&O cars were:(none C&O). They were:manner of service, much like boxcars...
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Re: Dairy Shippers Despatch cars?
Richard Hendrickson
On Feb 20, 2008, at 12:05 PM, RUTLANDRS@... wrote:
Richard,Actually, the DSDX billboard reefer I mentioned in my post appears to have been a former MDT car of the design modeled by Rutland Car Shops. However, the early '50s DSDX cars were former MDT cars built (or rebuilt) in the 1920s and '30s. Richard Hendrickson
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Re: New Files
mikewilson610 <DIllini1@...>
--- In STMFC@..., "boyds1949" <E27ca@...> wrote:
could not find them. One file shows about 2 months worth of cars handledby Southern Conductor ""E.S.B." who worked between Potomac Yard andMonroe in the fall of 1946; the other is from the same conductor between12-28- 47 and 2-28-48.copy all of this data and then look up the cars in the ORER.I want to add my thanks to Tim Gilbert for his hard work. Mike Wilson Terre Haute, IN
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Re: Tank Car Unloading was: oil for roads
Actually, this photo is of UTLX tank car 56816, a class Z car that was built by General American to its design rather than Union Tank Car's. It apparently has heater coils as evidenced by the cap on the end above the handrail.
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What's less clear to me is how the oil is being unloaded. I think that the oil spreader truck requires heat to get the oil viscous enough to flow through the sprayers, so I would think that it would also need heat to enable it to be pumped out of the tank car. So, is one or the other of the hoses adding heat, to the coils or some other way? And what's the purpose of the intermediate tank on the cart, which has hoses to the manway and to the road spreader tank? There's the big squirrel cage blower on the radiator end of the engine on the power cart. The lower hose is at an awkward angle to be attached to a bottom drain. Isn't it fun to try and analyze old photos? Regards, Steve Hile
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From: "Douglas Harding" <dharding@...> To: <STMFC@...> Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 5:56 AM Subject: [STMFC] Re: oil for roads I have added a photo to the Misc photo album, of GATX tank car #56810, being
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Re: More with Ventilated cars
mcindoefalls
--- In STMFC@..., destron@... wrote:
ACL 18102 - Excelsior (I have NO idea what this might have been)Excelsior (wood wool) an Aspen-fiber material similar to wood shavings, used for packaging and teddy bear stuffing. (Not that I knew that . . . Google told me. I was curious because Excelsior Mills is a pretty common place name.) I recall, as a wee laddie, having a teddy bear with a sort of woody stuffing. Walt Lankenau
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6 Dome wine tank cars
Eddie <eddiestavleu@...>
My first question.
Have looked and read lots of the posts on wine cars , there is a lot of information. But where can I find some photos preferably in color of 6 dome wine tank cars. Would like to paint some in correct scemes. Thank you Eddie Stavleu Australia
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Re: Ventilated box car uses - preferrably C&O
Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
Ben Hom wrote (replying to Frank Valoczy):
"Not a ventilated car, but I was also very surprised to notice MDTQuite true. PFE had a substantial westbound loading pattern of magazines, many from Philadelphia (think _Saturday Evening Post_). This was at least as early as the 1920s and persisted into the 1960s. Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@... Publishers of books on railroad history
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Re: Ventilated box car uses - preferrably C&O
destron@...
Thanks for the explanation, Ben, and for the tip - I'm going to go scour
the archives now. Though just before checking my inbox and seeing your message, I sent a new one in which at the end I concluded they were used in general service, too. Frank Valoczy Vancouver, BC ----- http://hydrorail.hostwq.net/index.html - Rails along the Fraser http://hydrorail.rrpicturearchives.net/ - Rail Photos
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More with Ventilated cars
destron@...
I jumped ahead of what I was doing and went through both the 1948 and 1946
lists that were uploaded. I found no C&O ventilated cars in 1946, but in 1948 there were three: 86812 - merchandise 86522 - clay 86824 - meal They don't seem to have been too common around the Alexandria, Manassas, Monroe, Potomac Yard areas in Virginia, as out of 1740 cars listed, only 21 were ventilated cars (VA and VM): the three C&O cars above, plus one ACL, nine L&N, three SAL and five CG. The non-C&O cars were: ACL 18023 - merchandise CG 57180 - clay CG 57478 - merchandise CG 57560 - pipe CG 58048 - merchandise CG 58156 - meal L&N 15731 - machinery L&N 15297 - merchandise L&N 15737 - boards L&N 15741 - yarn L&N 15883 - paper L&N 16048 - yarn L&N 16327 - furniture L&N 98041 - tin plate L&N 98834 - cement SAL 28680 - lumber SAL 89430 - merchandise SAL 89870 - merchandise The 1946 list lists 1938 cars, of which only eleven were VA or VM (none C&O). They were: ACL 17094 - lumber ACL 18102 - Excelsior (I have NO idea what this might have been) CG 56446 - merchandise CG 55469 - merchandise CG 56179 - cement L&N 17718 - ties N&W 65597 - lumber N&W 65646 - lumber SAL 79509 - merchandise SAL 89024 - clay SAL 89303 - niter (??) From all this I would gather that ventilated cars were used in all manner of service, much like boxcars... I hope this was at least interesting, if not very helpful. :) Frank Valoczy Vancouver, BC ----- http://hydrorail.hostwq.net/index.html - Rails along the Fraser http://hydrorail.rrpicturearchives.net/ - Rail Photos
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Re: Ventilated box car uses - preferrably C&O
benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
Frank Valoczy wrote:
"I've been going through the spreadsheets uploaded to the group the other day, of the conductor's book on the Southern in Virginia. I'm about halfway through the 1948 list, and I've noticed some (to me) unexpected ladings for ventilated cars. So far I've found one C&O ventilated car listed, 86812, with a listed cargo of "merchandise." I have no idea what that might be specifically, but usually the cargo description is quite specific. "Merchandise" as a cargo for ventilated cars isn't uncommon - ACL 18023, CG 57478 and SAL 89870 are also listed with the 'mdse' abbreviation (for 4 out of 6 ventilated cars listed with ladings). Not C&O, but there are some surprising cargoes listed for ventilated cars of other roads. L&N 98834 has "cement" listed, L&N 15731 has "machinery"." Not unusual at all. The major attraction of these cars to the roads who owned them was their versatility - when not used during the produce harvest, they were definitely put to use as general service boxcars. "Not a ventilated car, but I was also very surprised to notice MDT 5659 with "merchandise," PFE 33196 with "magazines," and WFEX 66159 with "compound" - whatever that might be." Again, not unusual at all. Tim Gilbert discussed all of this at length when he first did the analysis on these particular conductor's books. His posts are scattered through the list archive, but they're worth going through the search results and reading. Ben Hom
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Re: Ventilated box car uses - preferrably C&O
destron@...
I've been going through the spreadsheets uploaded to the group the other
day, of the conductor's book on the Southern in Virginia. I'm about halfway through the 1948 list, and I've noticed some (to me) unexpected ladings for ventilated cars. So far I've found one C&O ventilated car listed, 86812, with a listed cargo of "merchandise." I have no idea what that might be specifically, but usually the cargo description is quite specific. "Merchandise" as a cargo for ventilated cars isn't uncommon - ACL 18023, CG 57478 and SAL 89870 are also listed with the 'mdse' abbreviation (for 4 out of 6 ventilated cars listed with ladings). Not C&O, but there are some surprising cargoes listed for ventilated cars of other roads. L&N 98834 has "cement" listed, L&N 15731 has "machinery". Not a ventilated car, but I was also very surprised to notice MDT 5659 with "merchandise," PFE 33196 with "magazines," and WFEX 66159 with "compound" - whatever that might be. Frank Valoczy Vancouver, BC "al.kresse" <water.kresse@...> wrote: ----- http://hydrorail.hostwq.net/index.html - Rails along the Fraser http://hydrorail.rrpicturearchives.net/ - Rail Photos
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Re: Ventilated box car uses - preferrably C&O
Ray Breyer
Hi Al,
The C&OHS has a photo of C&O 86607 being loaded with what appear to be long, thin, craft-paper wrapped boxes. The Valentine Museum at the Richmond History Center has a photo of C&O 86989 being loaded (from a horse drawn flatbed) full of brand new 20 or 25 gallon oak barrels with cloth top coverings. I have absolutely no idea what are actually being loaded into each car. Both images are online at their respective museums. I'll send you low-res versions offlist shortly. Ray Breyer "al.kresse" <water.kresse@...> wrote: Folks, I'm considering doing an article about ventilated box cars for C&O History magazine. We've builder's pix but nothing really about their usage. We see SAL and other southern railroads' ventilated box cars bring up watermellons up into the late-50s or later, but the C&O purchased theirs in early-20s and the question is "for shipping what?" Also, who took care of adjusting the door openings? Would they close them at nite to keep the contents from freezing? Also, before the C&O had ventilated box cars, they had fruit cars in the late-1800s. Were they the same a ventilated box cars? Al Kresse --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage.
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