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Tank Car Unloading-LPG

boyds1949 <E27ca@...>
 

I was looking at a recent model railroad publication on building a
propane dealership and it said that the liquid propane was unloaded by
pumping air in the tank car to force the liquid propane out. Is that
correct? I would think that forcing air in a propane tank car would be
creating the perfect mix for a violent explosion. It would make sense
to pump propane gas into the tank. Does anyone know what they really
did?

John King


Re: Tank Car Unloading was: oil for roads

Dennis Storzek
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Douglas Harding" <dharding@...> wrote:

Steve thanks for catching my typo on the car number. And yes the
analysis is
fun. Your comments are appreciated, esp to the fact the car has heater
coils. The truck may be a hot oil or hot tar truck, with propane
tanks for
heating. The tall verticle tank on the bumper looks to be the
propane tank.
And the small trailer looks to have its own engine for driving the pump
along with a fuel tank or possible water tank for producing steam?
It could
also have a heating element. The car does not appear to be located
where it
could be connected to a supply of steam for heating. Could that
trailer be a
source of heat/steam for heating the car?

Doug Harding
One thing's for certain, the guy is safety conscious. Note the old
soda-acid fire extinguisher standing on the ground just in front of
the air reservoir on the car :-)

If I recall, a lot of these road oil tank trucks were kerosene fired
years ago, same as roofer's tar kettles were. The vertical tank on the
truck could well be a kerosene tank.

I think the trailer is a portable steam generator. The circular object
on the near end is too large to be a pump for heavy oil; I think it's
a large squirrel cage blower that's ducted into the round chamber in
the center of the tank. A propane burner will work in ambient air
pressure, because the fuel itself is pressurized, but to get any heat
out of an oil burner (fuel oil or kerosene) you need a forced draft. I
would assume there is also a small oil pump on this rig to feed the
fuel oil through the burner jet. I doubt that it's high pressure
steam; it more likely circulates hot water, or steam at 3 – 5 psi like
a home heating boiler.

Dennis


Copetown, Ont Show

Earl Tuson
 

Hello,

The Copetown, Ontario, Train Show is this Sunday (http://www.caorm.org/PDF/Copetown_2008_flyer.pdf.) To meet list guidelines, I can tell you there will be many excellent steam era freight cars displayed there (and I believe freight car photos sold as well.)

I know this is rather short notice for most folks, but I may be driving from New Hampshire to go to Show. Would anyone in the New England area be interested in car pooling to save on gas money and share the burden of drving.��I drive at night, and have no intentions on getting accomodations anywhere.��Please respond off list.

Earl Tuson


Re: Tank Car Unloading was: oil for roads

rockroll50401 <cepropst@...>
 


What's less clear to me is how the oil is being unloaded. >
Isn't it fun to try and analyze old photos?

Regards,
Steve Hile
Steve, My friend who grew up in Britt IA uncle ran an oil dealership.
As I remember his story his uncle would put a pipe into the dome. That
pipe was connected with hose to the pump. I have no idea how he primed
the system. He also remember the Milwaukee needing to move other cars
on the track his uncle was unloading a tank car on. He'd have to remove
his pipe from the dome and wait till the Milw was done switching to
finish unloading the car.
Clark Propst


NYC Auto Box

Guy Wilber
 

Ben Hom wrote:

Lot 633-B, steel automobile boxcars rebuilt in 1935 from Lot 357-B DS
automobile boxcars...
NYC 56000 is equipped with auto racks, but they aren't Evans Auto~Loaders.
The designation "C" on the right door underneath the white stripe indicates
that the car is equipped with NYC's own rack system utilizing Evans tie downs
for the autos (or trucks) that were stowed on the car floor. The "C" stood
for Combination while other NYC cars equipped with complete NYC designed racks
and tie downs were designated (as such) with an "N" in the same position.

The NYC "C" equipped cars may have been equipped with floor tubes, I have
not seen any photo (or diagram) confirmation of such. Either application of
racks may also have had stencils; 36, 36+, 37 or 38 applied below the letter
designation indicating alterations of the rack to accommodate automobile and/or
truck models from those specific model years. A "+" indicated the car
racking system was modified to accommodate larger model vehicles such as the
Hudson.

All of the above marking were made obsolete in March of 1939 with the
adoption of the Auto Car Lettering "Standards" as shown within Bulletin 28 included
within the ORER from July, 1945 forward.

Guy Wilber
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Re: tools for building freight cars sorta of close to topic

Charles Hladik
 

Jon,
IIRC Sears has them in the Crafstman line, never have to buy another
again.


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Re: More with Ventilated cars

Scott Pitzer
 

The small "swamp cooler" my grandmother had in the 1960s, apparently
had excelsior in it to hold water up in front of the fan (today they
have synthetic pads.)
Scott Pitzer


Re: 6 Dome wine tank cars

Eddie Stavleu <eddiestavleu@...>
 

Thank you Richard

I would appreciate some photos and if you know any letter colors that would be great.

From what I have seen way back there was a ROMA MADERA and
a MARTINI and a AMBROSI / AMBROSE

I have the HO Roco cars that will do me for these.
D&RGW had one as a water car for MOW

Thanking you

Eddie Stavleu
Australia





> But where can I find some photos preferably in color of 6 dome wine
> tank cars. Would like to paint some in correct scemes.

Color photos of six compartment wine cars are few and far between, and
generally date from
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Re: Tank Car Unloading was: oil for roads

Douglas Harding <dharding@...>
 

Steve thanks for catching my typo on the car number. And yes the analysis is
fun. Your comments are appreciated, esp to the fact the car has heater
coils. The truck may be a hot oil or hot tar truck, with propane tanks for
heating. The tall verticle tank on the bumper looks to be the propane tank.
And the small trailer looks to have its own engine for driving the pump
along with a fuel tank or possible water tank for producing steam? It could
also have a heating element. The car does not appear to be located where it
could be connected to a supply of steam for heating. Could that trailer be a
source of heat/steam for heating the car?

Doug Harding
www.iowacentralrr.org

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Re: More with Ventilated cars

Tom Madden <tgmadden@...>
 

ACL 18102 - Excelsior (I have NO idea what this might have been)
Excelsior (wood wool) an Aspen-fiber material similar to wood
shavings, used for packaging and teddy bear stuffing.
Back before we had styrofoam peanuts, Excelsior was a commonly-used
packing material for glassware and other fragile items.

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Re: 6 Dome wine tank cars

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Feb 20, 2008, at 6:07 PM, Eddie wrote:

Have looked and read lots of the posts on wine cars , there is a lot
of
information.
But where can I find some photos preferably in color of 6 dome wine
tank cars. Would like to paint some in correct scemes.
Color photos of six compartment wine cars are few and far between, and
generally date from the 1960s or later, well beyond the steam era. B/W
photos are another matter; I have many of those, and for most cars
they're adequate because both GATX and SHPX painted their wine tank
cars aluminum with black underframes and bottom sheets and black
lettering. Most had only reporting marks, numbers, and data. In a few
cases, cars were in assigned service to a particular winery but the
lettering identifying the lessee was also usually black and in those
rare instances where the lettering was partly in color (e.g. Roma
Wine), the color of the lettering is known. If you can give me a
clearer idea of the cars you want to model, I can send you some scans
off-list.

Richard Hendrickson


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Re: More with Ventilated cars

al_brown03
 

Niter is the mineral form of potassium nitrate a.k.a. saltpeter,
presumably shipped in bags.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.


--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, destron@... wrote:


I jumped ahead of what I was doing and went through both the 1948
and 1946
lists that were uploaded.

I found no C&O ventilated cars in 1946, but in 1948 there were
three:

86812 - merchandise
86522 - clay
86824 - meal

They don't seem to have been too common around the Alexandria,
Manassas,
Monroe, Potomac Yard areas in Virginia, as out of 1740 cars listed,
only
21 were ventilated cars (VA and VM): the three C&O cars above, plus
one
ACL, nine L&N, three SAL and five CG. The non-C&O cars were:

ACL 18023 - merchandise
CG 57180 - clay
CG 57478 - merchandise
CG 57560 - pipe
CG 58048 - merchandise
CG 58156 - meal
L&N 15731 - machinery
L&N 15297 - merchandise
L&N 15737 - boards
L&N 15741 - yarn
L&N 15883 - paper
L&N 16048 - yarn
L&N 16327 - furniture
L&N 98041 - tin plate
L&N 98834 - cement
SAL 28680 - lumber
SAL 89430 - merchandise
SAL 89870 - merchandise

The 1946 list lists 1938 cars, of which only eleven were VA or VM
(none
C&O). They were:

ACL 17094 - lumber
ACL 18102 - Excelsior (I have NO idea what this might have been)
CG 56446 - merchandise
CG 55469 - merchandise
CG 56179 - cement
L&N 17718 - ties
N&W 65597 - lumber
N&W 65646 - lumber
SAL 79509 - merchandise
SAL 89024 - clay
SAL 89303 - niter (??)

From all this I would gather that ventilated cars were used in all
manner
of service, much like boxcars...

I hope this was at least interesting, if not very helpful. :)

Frank Valoczy
Vancouver, BC

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Re: Dairy Shippers Despatch cars?

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Feb 20, 2008, at 12:05 PM, RUTLANDRS@aol.com wrote:

Richard,
Would one of the Rutland Car Shops Rutland reefers be applicable. They
are available from Bethlehem Car Works.
Actually, the DSDX billboard reefer I mentioned in my post appears to
have been a former MDT car of the design modeled by Rutland Car Shops.
However, the early '50s DSDX cars were former MDT cars built (or
rebuilt) in the 1920s and '30s.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: New Files

mikewilson610 <DIllini1@...>
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "boyds1949" <E27ca@...> wrote:

I just posted two new files. Both are excel files of Southern
Conductor's books copied by Tim Gilbert. I thought these had been
posted years ago but a check in the files and Tim's old messages
could
not find them. One file shows about 2 months worth of cars handled
by
Southern Conductor ""E.S.B." who worked between Potomac Yard and
Monroe
in the fall of 1946; the other is from the same conductor between
12-28-
47 and 2-28-48.

Hope this is some help. Tim must have had the patience of Job to
copy
all of this data and then look up the cars in the ORER.

John King
I want to add my thanks to Tim Gilbert for his hard work.

Mike Wilson
Terre Haute, IN


Re: Tank Car Unloading was: oil for roads

Steve and Barb Hile
 

Actually, this photo is of UTLX tank car 56816, a class Z car that was built by General American to its design rather than Union Tank Car's. It apparently has heater coils as evidenced by the cap on the end above the handrail.

What's less clear to me is how the oil is being unloaded. I think that the oil spreader truck requires heat to get the oil viscous enough to flow through the sprayers, so I would think that it would also need heat to enable it to be pumped out of the tank car. So, is one or the other of the hoses adding heat, to the coils or some other way? And what's the purpose of the intermediate tank on the cart, which has hoses to the manway and to the road spreader tank? There's the big squirrel cage blower on the radiator end of the engine on the power cart. The lower hose is at an awkward angle to be attached to a bottom drain.

Isn't it fun to try and analyze old photos?

Regards,
Steve Hile

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Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 5:56 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: oil for roads


I have added a photo to the Misc photo album, of GATX tank car #56810, being
unloaded on the M&StL (location unknown) directly into a truck equiped for
spraying road oil. Photo was taken in June of 1954, on an grain elevator
track. Note the jobber has a portable pump, which has hoses to the dome as
well as the bottom valve.

Doug Harding
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Re: More with Ventilated cars

mcindoefalls
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, destron@... wrote:

ACL 18102 - Excelsior (I have NO idea what this might have been)
Excelsior (wood wool) an Aspen-fiber material similar to wood
shavings, used for packaging and teddy bear stuffing. (Not that I knew
that . . . Google told me. I was curious because Excelsior Mills is a
pretty common place name.)

I recall, as a wee laddie, having a teddy bear with a sort of woody
stuffing.

Walt Lankenau


6 Dome wine tank cars

Eddie <eddiestavleu@...>
 

My first question.

Have looked and read lots of the posts on wine cars , there is a lot of
information.
But where can I find some photos preferably in color of 6 dome wine
tank cars. Would like to paint some in correct scemes.

Thank you
Eddie Stavleu
Australia


Re: Ventilated box car uses - preferrably C&O

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Ben Hom wrote (replying to Frank Valoczy):
"Not a ventilated car, but I was also very surprised to notice MDT
5659 with "merchandise," PFE 33196 with "magazines," and WFEX 66159
with "compound" - whatever that might be."

Again, not unusual at all.
Quite true. PFE had a substantial westbound loading pattern of magazines, many from Philadelphia (think _Saturday Evening Post_). This was at least as early as the 1920s and persisted into the 1960s.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
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Re: Ventilated box car uses - preferrably C&O

destron@...
 

Thanks for the explanation, Ben, and for the tip - I'm going to go scour
the archives now. Though just before checking my inbox and seeing your
message, I sent a new one in which at the end I concluded they were used
in general service, too.

Frank Valoczy
Vancouver, BC

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