Ron-

I take it that you are talking about the NE5 design that they shared with the New Haven, etc...
You are aware that DesPlaines Hobbies / Centralia Car Works is near to releasing one in plastic in HO????

Charlie Vlk


I'm starting a CGW brass caboose and find that I need some parts, maybe some one on the
list can help.
I'm looking for:
Equipco hand brake 3750
E-369 hand wheel
US gypsum running board
caboose ladders made with angle iron uprights and round rungs
grab iron brackets like kadee has on their PS box cars This is a hat shaped strap riveted to
the car, and the grab iron riveted to it.
any help will be appreciated.
Ron Christensen

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I'm starting a CGW brass caboose and find that I need some parts, maybe some one on the
list can help.
I'm looking for:
Equipco hand brake 3750
E-369 hand wheel
US gypsum running board
caboose ladders made with angle iron uprights and round rungs
grab iron brackets like kadee has on their PS box cars This is a hat shaped strap riveted to
the car, and the grab iron riveted to it.
any help will be appreciated.
Ron Christensen

I've seen seven photos of this series (the AF-3 class, BTW). Six had
the "Courteous Service" slogan, the seventh had a 1960's paint scheme
with billboard "SEABOARD" and no slogan at all.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.


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Just one more question...

What slogans were used on the Seaboard's 22200-22449 series of cars?

Only

the "Courteous Service", or were there others?

Thanks,

Frank Valoczy
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Hello All,

I've gathered the following info on Hercules Powder Co (HPCX) 8000g,
type 21 tanks with the hope of modeling a couple circa 1952-53 using
the factory decorated Proto 2000 kits. As I understand it, these cars
are former Paper Makers Chem Co (PMCX) which received new reporting
marks but kept their orig numbers when Hercules acquired PMC. Problem
is, I have some conflicting and incomplete info...

Proto 2000 HCPX car numbers I am aware of: 705, 706, 708, 714, 718

Car 705: Type 21? Listed in 1/53 ORER, capy 8036g.

Cars 706-711: Type 21? 706, 708, 711 listed in 1/53 ORER, capy 8050g.
Oct 1997 RMJ article, however, says 706-711 are type 27, and ORER
capy matches that of other known type 27 cars.

Car 714: Type 21? No longer listed in 1/53 ORER, listed 1/45 ORER
with 8000g capy.

Car 718: PMCX 718 bldr photo, RMJ Feb 1998. Listed 1/53 ORER, capy 8000g.

Am hoping someone on the list can shed some light, or contribute more
data to the cause.

Thanks,

John Hile
Blacksburg, VA

Again the Westerfield kit or possibly the Walthers model is a place to
start. One would have to see the photo of #1266 to make a final
recommendation as it appears than these cars are second-hand and each
may have unique features.

Bob,

Thanks for the link to those two pictures. I can't recall where I found it
(somewhere in the ether of the www) but I'll post the photo of 1266 to the
files section of the group when I get home.

Frank Valoczy
Vancouver, BC

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late Hutchins ends with height extension (square corner with no indent)

I've seen conflicting commentary on which is the early Hutchins end and
which is the late one. I know on the Westerfield site the square-cornered
ribs are referred to as the late style, and the tapered-corner ribs are
referred to as the early style.

This puzzles me, though, as the square-cornered ends seem to be found on
cars earlier than the later ones - examples being the P&N's 10000-series
with 3-panel square-corner ends (first ORER listing I've seen was 1915),
and PM cars with 3-panel ends as well (I'm not at home so don't have my PM
book at hand to check, but will do so when I go home); I've seen such
3-panel ends elsewhere, too - I can't remember which roads, though,
perhaps CNJ? The tapered corners don't seem to appear until later than
that - in the 20s. I suspect there might be some overlap in when they were
produced, too: Westerfield lists the Southern SU cars as first having the
tapered ends, from 1922; P&N's 1100-series DS cars have build dates of
1923 and have the square corner. And, P&N's 24000 series auto boxcars (the
ones that went to the AC&Y) were built in 1925 (a photo of 24099 has a
build date of 7-25) and have the tapered corners.

I would suggest, then, that the earlier end is in fact the square-corner
variety, unless someone has documented evidence otherwise? I've only seen
three-panel Hutchins ends with square-corner ribs, and those are all on
very low IH cars (some less than 9') - which I'd think is certainly an
indication of being older, than taller IH cars.

Frank Valoczy
Vancouver, BC

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Frank Valoczy wrote:

I have some photos of four cars I'd like to model, but am not familiar

enough with what's available in model form to decide what to use as a
basis for models of these cars.

The cars in question are:

CSS&SB 1266 (13 panel steel gon),

There are two photo on Elwood's Fallen Flags site: Nos. 1233 and 1258

http://gelwood.railfan.net/cssb/css1233ads.jpg
http://gelwood.railfan.net/cssb/css1258ads.jpg

The later one, #1258, looks like a USRA WWI 70-ton mill gon still with
its drop-ends while the former, #1233, could be a USRA mill gon, but the
end is now fixed and the sides look like replacement ones as the side
stakes appear to be different than a those on the original car.

Again the Westerfield kit or possibly the Walthers model is a place to
start. One would have to see the photo of #1266 to make a final
recommendation as it appears than these cars are second-hand and each
may have unique features.

Bob Witt

About three years ago Garrett Rea of Nashville intimated that resin kits based on the NC&StL cars would be forthcoming.? As I understood things then, the project was at the stage of measuring a surviving car body.? I have not heard anything about the project since then.? He told me that the 20000-21179 series had the Hutchins ends, while the 21180-21230 had Murphy ends.? Both series were NC&StL class XM-32.


Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, Oregon

Thanks John. Now it's just a question of do I have enough ambition to tackle this one.

Malcolm Laughlin, Editor 617-489-4383
New England Rail Shipper Directories
19 Holden Road, Belmont, MA 02478

Frank Valoczy wrote:
"I have some photos of four cars I'd like to model, but am not
familiar enough with what's available in model form to decide what to
use as a basis for models of these cars."

Frank, it would be easier for us to help out with suggestions if you
have photos you could post. I'll take a shot at the easier ones
first:

"PMcK&Y 91918 (Lot 442-G, steel gon)"
http://www.canadasouthern.com/caso/images/pmcky-91918.jpg

Westerfield 8102 or Walthers 932-7450 plus paint & lettering.
http://www.westerfield.biz/8102_73542.htm


"NC&StL 20000-21399 (steel rebuilt 36' boxcar)"

No kits that I know of; this is an unusual prototype for several
reasons; very few 36 ft boxcars were rebuilt as steel boxcars, and
these cars had a unique combination of features, even for rebuilt
boxcars - 8 panel sides, trapezoidal side sill brackets, late
Hutchins ends with height extension (square corner with no indent),
and what appears to be a lap seam roof. These are distinctive cars,
especially as they were painted in the Dixieland scheme with wide
band. I'll have to explore this one more to see what approach I'd
take - my first gut feeling is to cut down the Tichy model in length
and replace the roof and ends, but I'll need a better shot of the
roof to figure out what I'd use. The ends are a problem as well, as
they are "reversed" ends - the Westerfield Southern SU boxcar
Hutchins ends won't work for this.


"FEC 13001-13030 (33' IL steel hopper)"

Strangely enough, the Athearn peaked end offset hopper. See Railway
Prototype Cyclopedia Vol. 1 for photos and more details on appliances.


Ben Hom

Just one more question...

What slogans were used on the Seaboard's 22200-22449 series of cars? Only
the "Courteous Service", or were there others?

Thanks,

Frank Valoczy
Vancouver, BC

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I have some photos of four cars I'd like to model, but am not familiar
enough with what's available in model form to decide what to use as a
basis for models of these cars.

The cars in question are:

CSS&SB 1266 (13 panel steel gon),
PMcK&Y 91918 (Lot 442-G, steel gon),
NC%StL 20000-21399 (steel rebuilt 36' boxcar),
and
FEC 13001-13030 (33' IL steel hopper).

Any suggestions as to what to use as a basis for modeling these would be
appreciated.

Frank Valoczy
Vancouver, BC

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On Feb 24, 2008, at 9:45 PM, MDelvec952@aol.com wrote:

After the elimination of billboard advertising on railcars in general
and
reefers in particular in 1937 -- a series of rules that among many
other things
forbid lettering larger than 12 inches on railcars -- it seems a
bland era
of railcar lettering was born.

So lemme post a question to the list: Did any road come up with a
billboard-like or bold paint scheme before the DL&W in 1942?

The Santa Fe map schemes come to mind -- earlier than 1942?

Mike, the ICC regulation banning shippers' advertising on leased cars,
which took effect on new or repainted cars in 1934 and on all cars in
service by January, 1938, didn't apply to railroad owned cars, and a
number of railroads began applying advertising to box and refrigerator
cars well before 1942. The Santa Fe maps and slogans, which first
appeared in January, 1940, were far from being the first examples. The
Burlington's "Everywhere West" and "Way of the Zephyrs" slogans dated
from 1938, having been applied to the sides of new single sheathed box
cars with corrugated steel doors (see the 1940 Car Builders'
Cyclopedia, p. 122) and also, in smaller versions, to the wood doors on
repainted single sheathed box cars. Chicago & Northwestern's "Route of
the 400 and the Streamliners" first appeared at least as early as
April, 1937. However, the earliest example I know of was the Union
Pacific's "Road of the Streamliners" and "Serves All the West," which
first appeared in August, 1936, on the B-50-19 class AAR steel box cars
and, in early 1937, on A-50-14 class 50' steel auto cars as well.
Other prewar of bold advertising on freight cars included the Milwaukee
Road's "Route of the Hiawathas" and Route of the Electrified Olympian"
(1939), Gulf, Mobile & Ohio's "The Rebel Route (1940), Kansas City
Southern/Louisiana & Arkansas' "Route of the Southern Belle" (1941),
the St. Louis Southwestern's "Blue Stream Fast Freight" (1941), and the
New Haven's elaborate script herald (1941).

UP B-50-19 8/36

Curious. I've been gathering data on the Phoebe billboards and
Lackawanna
marketing and would like to add some context, a comparison to the
rest of the
industry.

Thanks in advance,

Mike Del Vecchio

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Richard Hendrickson

Thanks for everyones input. You've been most helpful.

Seaboard's second group of 1932 ARA boxcars was delivered in '37,
with the slogan "Route of the Orange Blossom Special". Their first
group (built 12/34) came without slogan. Source: Ted Culotta's book
on the '32 cars, pp 195-197.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.


--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, MDelvec952@... wrote:

In a message dated 2/24/2008 8:50:19 PM Eastern Standard Time,
b.hom@... writes:

An article in the April 25, 1942 Railway Age features "the
new 'Phoebe Snow' paint scheme" being applied to box cars being
delivered that month, so it dates to at least then.

After the elimination of billboard advertising on railcars in

general and

reefers in particular in 1937 -- a series of rules that among many

other things

forbid lettering larger than 12 inches on railcars -- it seems a

bland era

of railcar lettering was born.

So lemme post a question to the list: Did any road come up with a
billboard-like or bold paint scheme before the DL&W in 1942?

The Santa Fe map schemes come to mind -- earlier than 1942?

Curious. I've been gathering data on the Phoebe billboards and

Lackawanna

marketing and would like to add some context, a comparison to the

rest of the

industry.

Thanks in advance,

Mike Del Vecchio



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Thanks guys - glad I asked!

Rob Kirkham

No Credit cards....cash and checks....Jim Williams

In a message dated 2/25/2008 12:59:39 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
rdkirkham@shaw.ca writes:

Hi - I'm wondering whether Sunshine sells steam ear freight car models
at meets (such as that coming up in Perris) by credit car, or cash only?

Thanks in advance,

Rob Kirkham



As far as I know Martin takes cash and checks.

Rich Orr



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I don't think Lackawanna had any double sheathed box cars with wood
ends or board roofs in the '40s.

Ed

I'd say "The Professor" has offered more than "a little information" on both this forum and others (e.g. MFCL) on numerous occasions. If I say any more in his defense, I'll have to start sending him bills for legal fees!

Carl J. Marsico

Anthony Thompson <thompson@signaturepress.com> wrote:
Todd Stearns wrote:

My point was you could have gave him at least a little information.
You didn't even provide a BRIEF answer, only a sales pitch.

So identifying a source of answers and photos is not "a little
information?" And excuse me, Todd, but there was NO sales pitch. I did
not urge buying the book, nor even praised it as a "must have," only
stated that it contained the information. If you think that's a "sales
pitch" you need to get out more.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history