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Re: IM Milwaukee Rib side boxcars are here

Paul Lyons
 

Andy, Please bring a couple of undecs to Perris for me. Thanks Paul

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From: Andy Carlson <midcentury@sbcglobal.net>
To: Steam Era <stmfc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 9:00 pm
Subject: [STMFC] IM Milwaukee Rib side boxcars are here






Hi,
The wait is over........Intermountain now has the Milwaukee Road short ribbed boxcars in both RTR and as undec. kits. As is my practice, I am offering these with a good discount. Contact me off-list (please) at <midcentury@sbcglobal.net> for the particulars and pricing. These cars are available only in HO.

I also have all of the currently available Rib Side Models of short and long ribbed cars, plus double doors and 50 ft cars, as well. I am offering these with Branchline Barber S-2 trucks which actually reduces your cost by deleting the factory incorrect trucks which avoids paying for something that is not used. Priced to sell, these cars are only available in HO. thanks,
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA


Walthers P2K Mather box car question

jim_mischke <jmischke@...>
 

I am considering adding a Mather boxcar to my fleet, for fun and
variety. I model 1960 or so.

I see Walthers/P2K offers such a car, in various road names. I am
familiar with Muncie and Western and C&IM.

Did any of these cars last past 1960? Which road names of those
offered and lettering variation would be appropriate for this late date?

Suggestions and insights would be appreciated.


Wabash Gondolas

Justin Kahn
 

That reminds me that Richard sent me several very helpful views of the 65' gondolas to aid me in lettering my ancient Lobaugh with either Champ decals or CDS transfers or some combination of them. Perhaps I'll get to it after spring thaw...
Jace Kahn, General Manager
Ceres and Canisteo RR Co.




I wanted to add a Wabash 65' mill gon to the layout. I planned to use
Ted's
decals and repaint one I picked up cheap. Now I see athearn has done
the
Wabash scheme as well. Do the Wabash experts know if there are
problems with
the Wabash factory paint on the athearn car? I don't mind painting and
decaling but one less project would be nice.
Brian, I haven't seen one of these models yet, so it would be good to
get an evaluation by a Wabash maven like Chet French who has actually
had an opportunity to compare the model with the prototype data.
However, when the 65' gons were under development, I sent several
photos of the Wabash cars to Craig Walker, their R&D guy, and he
generally does a fine job with paint and lettering if he has good
information to work from. The problem at Athearn isn't their R&D
department, it's the sales department that insists on putting bogus P/L
schemes on models (e.g., in the case of the 65' mill gons, NKP, MP, and
NP) when there were correct prototypes like the Wabash cars that could
have been modeled. Now that they've done the Wabash car, I may have to
get one, even though I probably already have too many 65' mill gons and
will have to rotate them on my diorama.

Richard Hendrickson


3b. Re: Wabash 65' mill gons

Brian,

The Athearn Wabash car looks good. The only thing they missed, after
looking at Richard's photos and Gary's paint diagram, was the paint
data oval, which should be on the fourth panel from the right edge of
the side. Athearn numbered their cars 12017 and 12033, which fall in
the 12000 - 12049 group built in 12-1941 by Decatur shop. I also have
Ted Culotta's decals for lettering this car, but still have not found
an undec car.

Chet French
Dixon, IL
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Re: Modeling possibilities?

destron@...
 

This is the first photo of one of these cars (8000 series) I've seen in
revenue service. Believe me I've been looking. According to the Monon
Car Dept. records at the Monon Historical Society these cars were scraped
en masse in 1939-40.

Thanks for the photo!
Nothing to thank.

Unfortunately I have no idea anymore as to where I found it - it was
somewhere out on the ether of the web, though.

Frank Valoczy
Vancouver, BC

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Re: SFRD Fan-Equipped Rr-30 RH Side Lettering

John Hile <john66h@...>
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@...>
wrote:
The delay is not a problem, Richard...I appreciate the tenacity!

I appreciate the info too, as this confirms for me I can model one of
the cars with original mechanical fans.

I am a little confused by the 11/43 electric fan install date though.
Prior to your response, I started digging into the ATSF Reefer Book,
the PFE book, and the Carbuilder's Cyclopedias to try and establish a
time-frame for electric fans.

Looking at PFE rebuilds and new cars, I did not find any references to
electric fans being installed prior to the early 1950's. The earliest
Santa Fe experiment with electric fans appears to date 1950, and the
1953 Carbuilders Cyc is the first time I see an ad for electric fans.

Thanks,
-John Hile


Re: Hercules Powder House Cars (was Hercules 8000g Type 21 Tanks)

Dave Nelson
 

benjaminfrank_hom wrote:
Dave Nelson wrote:
"I have a photo of some Hercules std. gauge house cars... they look
like reefers as it's T&G wood siding, plug door, and they may well
have been insulated, but offhand I don't recall if they were XM, XI,
or something else."

Here's another photo of some different HPCX house cars - these look
like converted reefers:
http://www.phillynmra.org/Sales.html

Yeah, that's the photo (that I purchased from Bob's Photos). Somehow I
doubt that's Bob's web page tho.

Dave Nelson


Re: Hercules 8000g Type 21 Tanks

daylines_johncarty <johnpcarty@...>
 

In answer to the question of what the tank cars transported, I spoke
with an armorer who dealt with Hercules Powder while at Western
Cartridge in St. Louis. Hercules would have been shipping components
for explosives. Hercules Powder maintained a plant near Godfrey,
Illinois where they produced dynamite and gunpowder.
For dynamite, both glycerin and nitro would ship by tank car to the
plant where they would be combined with inert earth. For gunpowder
and nitrocellulose (guncotton or cordite) sulphur cuold be shipped in
an aqueous solution. Given that the Hercules cars were equipped with
steam lines, glycerin would certainly by a cargo.

I hope this helps.

John Carty


--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "John Hile" <john66h@...> wrote:

Hello All,

I've gathered the following info on Hercules Powder Co (HPCX) 8000g,
type 21 tanks with the hope of modeling a couple circa 1952-53 using
the factory decorated Proto 2000 kits. As I understand it, these
cars
are former Paper Makers Chem Co (PMCX) which received new reporting
marks but kept their orig numbers when Hercules acquired PMC.
Problem
is, I have some conflicting and incomplete info...

Proto 2000 HCPX car numbers I am aware of: 705, 706, 708, 714, 718

Car 705: Type 21? Listed in 1/53 ORER, capy 8036g.

Cars 706-711: Type 21? 706, 708, 711 listed in 1/53 ORER, capy
8050g.
Oct 1997 RMJ article, however, says 706-711 are type 27, and ORER
capy matches that of other known type 27 cars.

Car 714: Type 21? No longer listed in 1/53 ORER, listed 1/45 ORER
with 8000g capy.

Car 718: PMCX 718 bldr photo, RMJ Feb 1998. Listed 1/53 ORER, capy
8000g.

Am hoping someone on the list can shed some light, or contribute
more
data to the cause.

Thanks,

John Hile
Blacksburg, VA


Re: Hercules 8000g Type 21 Tanks

John Hile <john66h@...>
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Peter Ness" <prness@...> wrote:

I am sure more authoritative responses will appear and I hope to
learn more about this company.
Thanks for that summary Peter. I will add from my notes that I have
Hercules Powder Co. dating from 1882-1955. It is my understanding
that the mining industry in CA was a draw and/or reason for Hercules
to be in CA. This, along with military contracts for gunpowder,
explosives, etc., kept up their explosives business.

I have notes that Hercules built a plant on "the coast of Southern
California" shortly after 1915 to derive solvents such as acetone and
ketone from kelp/seaweed fermentation. From the article, it sounds as
though acetone, ethyl-methyl ketone, acetone oil, acetic acid, and
ethyl acetate were all products to be derived - which Hercules needed,
but were pricey due to war-time scarcity of traditional raw materials.
Potash and iodine were by-products. I have additional info that
leads me to believe the plant did not last past 1917.

-John Hile


Re: Modeling possibilities?

Michael Aufderheide
 

This is the first photo of one of these cars (8000 series) I've seen in revenue service. Believe me I've been looking. According to the Monon Car Dept. records at the Monon Historical Society these cars were scraped en masse in 1939-40.

Thanks for the photo!

Mike Aufderheide
Modeling the Monon

benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
Frank Valoczy wrote:
"Want to bet that that Monon boxcar is an SU? ;)"

Sounds like a good call to me, and entirely appropriate for the 1930s.
Also available from Westerfield as kit number 4106.
http://www.westerfield.biz/4106_66056.htm

Ben Hom






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Re: Hercules 8000g Type 21 Tanks

John Hile <john66h@...>
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Dave Nelson" <Lake_Muskoka@...> wrote:

That would be in Hercules, CA., on Suisun Bay, along the SP's Cal-P
mainline
between Oakland and Sacramento. The company used a 36" narrow gauge
track
to move stuff around the large property. It's all suburban housing now.
Atlas Powder Works was also located in the area at Giant and/or Nitro,
CA. I believe Point Pinole Park is built on the site of the old Atlas
works with walking paths laid on the grade of the narrow-gauge tram
system there.

John Hile


Re: Atlas 1932 ARA box car

Jon Miller <atsf@...>
 

Any additional information on the new box car? Are any of the other companies saying order now and we will tell you how much later?


Jon Miller
AT&SF
For me time has stopped in 1941
Digitrax, Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI user
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Hercules Powder House Cars (was Hercules 8000g Type 21 Tanks)

benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
 

Dave Nelson wrote:
"I have a photo of some Hercules std. gauge house cars... they look like
reefers as it's T&G wood siding, plug door, and they may well have been
insulated, but offhand I don't recall if they were XM, XI, or something
else."

Here's another photo of some different HPCX house cars - these look
like converted reefers:
http://www.phillynmra.org/Sales.html


Ben Hom


Re: Modeling possibilities?

benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
 

Frank Valoczy wrote:
"Yeah, the stencil says 100,000, and the ORER listing says that, too. I
tweaked the gamma of the image a bit to lighten it and get a clearer
view, and compared it to an Accurail Andrews truck I have at hand...
looks fairly close to the truck on the image."

I agree - I'd go with the Accurail Andrews truck for this model.


Ben Hom


Re: Silver Streak.

Malcolm Laughlin <mlaughlinnyc@...>
 

Your club-mates are watching, Malcolm!
SGL

Thanks John. Now it's just a question of do I have enough ambition to tackle this one.
Malcolm Laughlin
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Please don't count the rivets when my D&RGW "Cookie Box" comes through your yard.


Malcolm Laughlin, Editor 617-489-4383
New England Rail Shipper Directories
19 Holden Road, Belmont, MA 02478


Re: Modeling possibilities?

destron@...
 


- Use Bowser Crown trucks for your model.
Ben, et al,

Aren't those 50 ton andrews trucks? The car appears to be stenciled
for 100,000 lbs not 140,000 lbs.
Yeah, the stencil says 100,000, and the ORER listing says that, too. I
tweaked the gamma of the image a bit to lighten it and get a clearer view,
and compared it to an Accurail Andrews truck I have at hand... looks
fairly close to the truck on the image.

Frank Valoczy
Vancouver, BC

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Re: Modeling possibilities?

benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
 

Frank Valoczy wrote:
"Want to bet that that Monon boxcar is an SU? ;)"

Sounds like a good call to me, and entirely appropriate for the 1930s.
Also available from Westerfield as kit number 4106.
http://www.westerfield.biz/4106_66056.htm


Ben Hom


Re: Modeling possibilities?

benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
 

Bruce Smith wrote:
"Aren't those 50 ton Andrews trucks? The car appears to be stenciled
for 100,000 lbs not 140,000 lbs."

They are DEFINITELY Andrews trucks - cancel that recommendation to use
Bowser Crown trucks!


Ben Hom


Re: Modeling possibilities?

destron@...
 

Two more observations on the photo of CSS&SB 1266:
- Use Bowser Crown trucks for your model.
- Interesting Monon boxcar in the background to the right.
Thanks for the tips, Ben.

Want to bet that that Monon boxcar is an SU? ;)

Frank Valoczy
Vancouver, BC

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Re: Modeling possibilities?

Bruce Smith
 

regarding
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/STMFC/files/Frank%27s%20Randomness/CSS% 26SB%201266.jpg

On Feb 27, 2008, at 9:46 AM, benjaminfrank_hom wrote:
Frank, thanks. I concur with Bob Witt - this is a USRA 70-ton steel
gon that you can do with either the Westerfield or Walthers models.
and

- Use Bowser Crown trucks for your model.
Ben, et al,

Aren't those 50 ton andrews trucks? The car appears to be stenciled for 100,000 lbs not 140,000 lbs.

Regards
Bruce

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Auburn, AL
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Re: Modeling possibilities?

benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
 

Two more observations on the photo of CSS&SB 1266:
- Use Bowser Crown trucks for your model.
- Interesting Monon boxcar in the background to the right.

Ben Hom

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