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Re: Tahoe Model Works Bettendorf Swing Motion trucks
Andy Carlson
For STMFC'ers who would like to get a jump on getting these latest offerings from Brian's TMW, I am offering them as bare pairs (less wheelsets). I also have replenished earlier Swing Motion Caboose trucks.
And for the first time, TMW brake beam brake shoe pairs for retrofitting to other makes of trucks (like Accurail spring plank and Branchline Barber S2, among many others. Email me at <midcentury@sbcglobal.net> Off-List, please, if interested in which Railroads (Many) had these designs. thanks, -Andy Carlson Ojai CA Brian Leppert <b.leppert@att.net> wrote: The Atlas plain bearing caboose truck replicates the 50 ton version of the Barber-Bettendorf Swing Motion Caboose Truck, based on its shape and the beading on the side frame's face that encircles the windows only. The only railroads I've found that used this version were PRR, who replaced the original trucks on a few cabins, and Great Northern, series X106 to 115, built 1967. The 30 ton version, which Richard mentioned, will be available in HO from Tahoe Model Works in a couple of weeks. The prototype was manufactured from 1935 through the late 1950s, at least. Both Bettendorf and Standard Car Truck Co. (who added their trade name "Barber" to the truck's name) offered this side frame design. Bettendorf left the market in 1942 and sold all rights for the Swing Motion caboose truck to SCTCo. Over forty railroads used it. Brian Leppert Tahoe Model Works Carson City, NV
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Orange Empire Train Meet
Jay Bingham <j.bingham@...>
Anyone know what kits Martin Lofton will be bringing to the Orange
Empire Railway Museum meet Saturday? Jay Bingham Pacific Palisdes, CA
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Re: SFRD Fan-Equipped Rr-30 RH Side Lettering
Richard Hendrickson
On Feb 27, 2008, at 11:33 AM, John Hile wrote:
I am a little confused by the 11/43 electric fan install date though.You're quite right, and I see now that my post was misleading. Electric fans didn't appear until ca. 1950. I meant to cite the 1943 date only as a revision date on the folio sheet, not to assert that fans were in fact being applied at that time. Richard Hendrickson
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Re: Walthers P2K Mather box car question
Richard Hendrickson
On Feb 27, 2008, at 1:06 PM, jim_mischke wrote:
I am considering adding a Mather boxcar to my fleet, for fun andSorry, Jim, all of the P/L schemes on the P2K models represent 1940s through mid-1950s, and by 1960 all of those cars had gone to the great freight yard in the sky. By that time, Mather had been purchased by North American Car Co. (mostly to get Mather's Chicago Ridge car shops) and only some later (1941) box cars and some stock cars remained in the NACC leasing fleet. Richard Hendrickson
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Re: help
Westerfield <westerfield@...>
Doug - Thanks for the info but I'm getting a copy for free from another mamber. - Al
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From: "Doug Brown" <g.brown1@worldnet.att.net> To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 2:17 PM Subject: RE: [STMFC] help Al, To order a CD Rom ( ($10.00 for S&H): 1. Click link from Michael Bishop 2. Click one of the HP Scanjet 4600 . links under HP Scanjet 4600 Scanner series 3. Click link for Operating System 4. Click link to order CD Rom Doug Brown -----Original Message----- From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Westerfield Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 6:43 PM To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [STMFC] help Michael - They have drivers but not the program. I can scan one item but then have to reformat to do the next. The program will allow me to keep going rather than reload from Widows Explorer for each scan. - Al Westerfield ----- Original Message ----- From: michael bishop To: HYPERLINK "mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com"STMFC@yahoogroups.-com Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 5:40 PM Subject: Re: [STMFC] help The HP web site has drivers for the 4600, p and v HYPERLINK "http://h20180.www2.hp.com/apps/Lookup?h_lang=en&h_cc=us&cc=us&h_page=hpcom& lang=en&h_client=S-A-R163-1&h_query=scanjet+4600&submit.x=10&submit.y=8"http ://h20180.-www2.hp.com/-apps/Lookup?-h_lang=en&-h_cc=us&cc=-us&h_page=-hpcom &lang=-en&h_client=-S-A-R163--1&h_query=-scanjet+4600&-submit.x=-10&submit.- y=8 Michael Westerfield <HYPERLINK "mailto:westerfield%40charter.net"westerfield@-charter.net> wrote: Does anyone own an HP Scanjet 4600? I want to install it on a new computer but lost my program disk. The HP site has no download. - Al Westerfield ------------------------------------ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.1/1300 - Release Date: 2/26/2008 7:50 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.1/1303 - Release Date: 2/28/2008 12:14 PM Yahoo! Groups Links
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Re: Mystery Gons
Charlie Vlk
Doug-
The Hell with the steel drop-bottom gons..... look at the Waycar in the far corner of the picture!!! It appears to have a full window on the side beyond the cupola in what, on a normal car, would be the "dry hopper". The posted photo isn't sharp enough, when I zoom in on it, to be able to tell if the car has a radial roof like a normal waycar or if it has a peaked roof....maybe it is one of the NE-5 cars rebuilt during WWI from boxcars? Or just an oddball? It appears to have a normal standard Q cupola, although the plane of the side seems to continue down through the facsia to the body...the smoke jack/stove are on the left side of the car and it looks to be 30' with No.7 trucks and a "possum belly" tool box. The car is also very light in color when compared to the work gon, flat and crane coupled ahead of it.... maybe yellow??? re: the Gondolas... the Q had a fleet of steel, drop bottom gondolas and were very late (1937) to sampling hopper cars for coal service. The GS steel gons did not last as long as their USRA composite cars and clones (most were gone by the end of the depression??.....some had their underframes recyclyed ("reclaimed" in Q parlance) under SM18 stock cars). The composite clones, by contrast, lasted into and beyond the BN era, at least in MOW service. The only car that matches the two-vertical rib end configuration without any slotted door mechanism tracks is the GA-1 class 40' 100m Steel Gondola Car. There were two groups of them in the 1930 Diagram Book: 79000-80999 1984 Pg78 GA-1 Std. Stl. Car Co. 1907 Truck No.31 Genl Drwg 1666 16 Drop Doors 82000-82999 889 Pg78 GA-1 Std. Stl. Car Co. 1906-7 Truck No.31 Genl Drwg 1666 16 Drop Doors I am guessing that the car in the second picture is a B&O hopper car... there are too many ribs for a CB&Q steel gon and the lettering is in the wrong position for a Q car. Charlie Vlk
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Re: help
Doug Brown <g.brown1@...>
Al,
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To order a CD Rom ( ($10.00 for S&H): 1. Click link from Michael Bishop 2. Click one of the HP Scanjet 4600 … links under HP Scanjet 4600 Scanner series 3. Click link for Operating System 4. Click link to order CD Rom Doug Brown
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From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Westerfield Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 6:43 PM To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [STMFC] help Michael - They have drivers but not the program. I can scan one item but then have to reformat to do the next. The program will allow me to keep going rather than reload from Widows Explorer for each scan. - Al Westerfield ----- Original Message ----- From: michael bishop To: HYPERLINK "mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com"STMFC@yahoogroups.-com Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 5:40 PM Subject: Re: [STMFC] help The HP web site has drivers for the 4600, p and v HYPERLINK "http://h20180.www2.hp.com/apps/Lookup?h_lang=en&h_cc=us&cc=us&h_page=hpcom& lang=en&h_client=S-A-R163-1&h_query=scanjet+4600&submit.x=10&submit.y=8"http ://h20180.-www2.hp.com/-apps/Lookup?-h_lang=en&-h_cc=us&cc=-us&h_page=-hpcom &lang=-en&h_client=-S-A-R163--1&h_query=-scanjet+4600&-submit.x=-10&submit.- y=8 Michael Westerfield <HYPERLINK "mailto:westerfield%40charter.net"westerfield@-charter.net> wrote: Does anyone own an HP Scanjet 4600? I want to install it on a new computer but lost my program disk. The HP site has no download. - Al Westerfield [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.1/1300 - Release Date: 2/26/2008 7:50 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.1/1303 - Release Date: 2/28/2008 12:14 PM [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Re: Modeling possibilities?
proto48er
Guys -
The CSS&SB cars #1258 and #1266 look a lot like B&O cars from the 1923-constructed series of USRA clones B&O #251500 - #253499. Note the wider, vertical corner posts at the drop ends, and the position of the drop steps on the ends of the sides. However, they appear to have a different handbrake arrangement from the B&O cars. Perhaps they were built new for CSS&SB by Bethlehem?? Interesting cars! If I can remember, I will look them up in my ORER's tonight to see when they first appeared, and how long CSS&SB had them on the roster. A.T. Kott --- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Gatwood, Elden J SAD " <Elden.J.Gatwood@...> wrote: with the flat drop ends, the poling loops might be a hint. It may be an ex-NYC or ex-P,McK&Y/P&LE car.The PRR G25's did not match that car in details. The RDG's also did notexactly match that one in details.They look too new for the rest of the car.Behalf Of rwitt_2000stenciled to usefor 100,000 lbs not 140,000 lbs." secondBowser Crown trucks!I concur with Bruce and Ben the truck are 50-ton Andrews. hand, who were the original owners?
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Re: Modeling possibilities?
Richard Hendrickson
On Feb 28, 2008, at 9:44 AM, Bruce Smith wrote:
The practice of building cars with vertical wheel (horizontal shaft)The first horizontal-shaft geared hand brakes, the Ajax Type 13039, were introduced in 1926; similar so-called "power" hand brakes were offered by other manufacturers in the late 1920s and early 1930s, and their advantages were so obvious that the AAR issued a requirement in 1935 that all freight cars built or rebuilt after January 1, 1937, be equipped with geared hand brakes. As Ben Hom has noted, however, there were geared vertical staff hand brakes which were applied to flat cars, tank cars, etc., and there was also a Klassing geared hand brake for house cars which had a short vertical staff and horizontal wheel above the gearbox. This is all covered in great detail in Pat Wider's fine article on freight car hand brakes in Railway Prototype Cyclopedia, Vol. 10. The NYC car referenced here, lot 623-G, was built in 1936 to a design that dated back to 1931, when a single sample car was built for the NYC, and 1932, when 200 cars of lot 624-G were built for NYC-subsidiary P&LE. Thus these cars pre-dated the AAR mandate that cars be equipped with power hand brakes, and for some reason the NYC resisted the adoption of geared hand brakes for years after they were becoming standard car building practice on most other RRs (the NYC was still ordering new box and auto cars in 1931 with vertical staff hand brakes). It's worth noting that when the NYC receive an additional order of mill gondolas to this same design from Bethlehem in 1949, they were equipped with pump-handle type geared hand brakes of a type extensively used in the 1940s and '50s on drop-end gondolas. Richard Hendrickson
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Re: AAMX 2002 (was Re: fallen flags site)
Carl J. Marsico <Carlmarsico@...>
Ben,
Good observation with the lower door track rollers. Any idea as to the use of this car subsequent to AAMX ownership, or dates of ownership? The topic of the Ertl cars and the other posts from today got my gears rolling again with this car as a potential project. CJM benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@worldnet.att.net> wrote: Carl Marsico wrote: "On the topic of Steam Era cars photographed in the 60's, anyone have any information regarding this one? (AAMX 2002) Here's the link: http://railroad.union.rpi.edu/displayimage.php?i=19295 This is clearly a USRA DS boxcar; however, I've never been able to track down the lineage of this car. At some point, its lower door track rollers were replaced; the only cars I've seen with this feature are some Frisco cars, but this is a tenuous connection onwhich to base assumptions. Ben Hom
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Re: Railway Age article J&L coal tar tank car
Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
Larry Kline wrote:
I'm looking for a copy of the Railway Age article about the 20,000 gallon coal tar tank cars owned by Jones & Laughlin Steel Co. The reference in the 1946 Car Builders Cyclopedia is: Railway Age, June 22, 1926 issue, page 1376.If no one has a copy, Larry, I can get one here from the UC Library. Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com Publishers of books on railroad history
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Railway Age article J&L coal tar tank car
Larry Kline
I'm looking for a copy of the Railway Age article about the 20,000 gallon coal tar tank cars owned by Jones & Laughlin Steel Co. The reference in the 1946 Car Builders Cyclopedia is: Railway Age, June 22, 1926 issue, page 1376.
Larry Kline Pittsburgh, PA
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Explosive Industry Tank Car Commodities
John Hile <john66h@...>
"Standard Tank Car Journeys" (1921?) lists several liquids used in the
manufacture of explosives. They are: acetone, alcohol, ammonia, benzol, toluol, carbolic acid, nitric acid, glycerin and sulphuric acid. The chapter on explosives discusses the products of the explosives industry. Following are quotes... Most propellants are nitrates, that is, combinations from nitric acid. Among the smokeless propellants, the combinations of guncotton and nitroglycerin lead the field. Guncotton is made by immersions of pulp from pure cotton in nitric and sulphuric acids. ...for use in smokeless powder...dissolution in acetone or in certain benzene compounds. Nitroglycerin is made from nitric acid and glycerin...principle component in dynamite. Alcohol is used to form fulminates. Ammonia is employed in preparing ammonia nitrates. An old and simple propellant is nitrobenzene...nitric acid and benzene. Carbolic acid is the source of picric acid and other high explosive elements. Toluol, or toluene, combines with nitric acid to make nitro-toluenes...used with certain ammonium nitrate explosives to lower the freezing point of dynamite. T.N.T. (trinitrotoluene)...combination of nitric acid and toluene...not sensitive to shock. From napthalene and nitric acid certain explosives are made...particularly suitable for coal mining. ...various ingredients from coal tar...are employed...to impart some particular characteristic. The principal ones are benzol and toluol. They must be of a high degree of purity to prevent...products of inferior stability. -John Hile
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AAMX 2002 (was Re: fallen flags site)
benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
Carl Marsico wrote:
"On the topic of Steam Era cars photographed in the 60's, anyone have any information regarding this one? (AAMX 2002) Here's the link: http://railroad.union.rpi.edu/displayimage.php?i=19295 This is clearly a USRA DS boxcar; however, I've never been able to track down the lineage of this car. At some point, its lower door track rollers were replaced; the only cars I've seen with this feature are some Frisco cars, but this is a tenuous connection onwhich to base assumptions. Ben Hom
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Re: Hercules 8000g Type 21 Tanks
Raymond Young
Hello all,
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Concentrated Sulfuric Acid is used in the process to absorb water given off in the reaction between Nitriic Acid and Glycerin. There would probably be some Sulfuric Acid cars going to the plant. Children: Don't try this at home! Regards, Virgil Young Amarillo, TX
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From: Larry Jackman <Ljack70117@comcast.net> To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 12:34:19 PM Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Hercules 8000g Type 21 Tanks Nitro is a little pill you take when you have heart problems. Thank you Larry Jackman ljack70117@comcast. net Boca Raton FL 33434 I was born with nothing and I have most of it left. On Feb 28, 2008, at 12:59 PM, Anthony Thompson wrote: John Carty wrote:You are correct, no sane person would ship nitroglycerin by tank car.Don't know what "nitro" is, but you can make the explosive by
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Re: fallen flags site
Carl J. Marsico <Carlmarsico@...>
On the topic of Steam Era cars photographed in the 60's, anyone have any information regarding this one? (AAMX 2002) Here's the link:
http://railroad.union.rpi.edu/displayimage.php?i=19295 CJM John Hile <john66h@aol.com> wrote: --- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "ed_mines" <ed_mines@...> wrote: Ed, The Jim Sands photos, typically from Marshalltown IA in the late '60's sometimes prove useful. -John Hile
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Re: fallen flags site
John Hile <john66h@...>
--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "ed_mines" <ed_mines@...> wrote:
Ed, The Jim Sands photos, typically from Marshalltown IA in the late '60's sometimes prove useful. -John Hile
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Re: Modeling possibilities?
Carl J. Marsico <Carlmarsico@...>
For clarification, the "outdated" was in reference to newly manufactured cars (with exceptions, e.g. flatcars) vs. cars in service.
In response to the original "why is it that the feature distinguishing steam-era freight cars from modern era seems to be the long vertical brake wheel shafting as opposed to the short horizontal brake wheel shaft seen on modern freight cars?", I don't consider it a good "litmus test". CJM benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@worldnet.att.net> wrote: Carl Marsico wrote: "It depends when you make the cut-off from "steam" to "modern" If you go by the definitions set by STMFC and MFCL, the cut-off is 1960, and by that time, the "long vertical brake wheel shafting" was outdated." Outdated, perhaps, but a sizable number of older cars still had this arrangement into the 1960s. Additionally, "long vertical brake wheel shafting" doesn't necessarily mean a lack of power hand brakes on a car either, particularly for flat cars. Ben Hom
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Re: Modeling possibilities?
water.kresse@...
Folks,
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The vertical shaft hand brake, except for removeable wheels and shafts on drop-end gons, dissappeared from (replaced by the "new" gear and chain with horizontal shaft wheels) on new C&O hops and gons in the mid-30s. You can still find vertical shaft FCs in mainline service into the late-fifties . . . . example: repainted C&O LCL Svc blue and yellow boxes in 1957 still had vertical hand brakes. I'm not sure if the AAR made the gear-type hand brake "standard for new" in 1934? Al Kresse
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From: Bruce Smith <smithbf@auburn.edu> On Feb 28, 2008, at 11:07 AM, J. W. wrote: Hi Steam Era Friends,The practice of building cars with vertical wheel (horizontal shaft) power hand brakes began well before WWII. Thus, I'm not sure that your claim that this feature distinguishing "modern" from steam era freight cars is supportable unless you define the "modern era" as post 1930 or so <G>. That said, the NYC car featured in your link, http://www.canadasouthern.com/caso/images/nyc-726083.jpgwith an apparent build date of 1944, appears to be a bit of an anachronism, even when built! Regards Bruce Bruce F. Smith Auburn, AL http://www.vetmed.auburn.edu/index.pl/bruce_f._smith2 "Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield." __ / \ __<+--+>________________\__/___ ________________________________ |- ______/ O O \_______ -| | __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ | | / 4999 PENNSYLVANIA 4999 \ | ||__||__||__||__||__||__||__||__|| |/_____________________________\|_|________________________________| | O--O \0 0 0 0/ O--O | 0-0-0 0-0-0
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Re: Hercules 8000g Type 21 Tanks
Larry Jackman <Ljack70117@...>
Nitro is a little pill you take when you have heart problems.
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Thank you Larry Jackman ljack70117@comcast.net Boca Raton FL 33434 I was born with nothing and I have most of it left.
On Feb 28, 2008, at 12:59 PM, Anthony Thompson wrote:
John Carty wrote:You are correct, no sane person would ship nitroglycerin by tank car.Don't know what "nitro" is, but you can make the explosive by
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