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Re: New Atlas Model: 1932 ARA Boxcar, HO Scale

Ed Hawkins
 

On Mar 4, 2008, at 1:02 PM, John Hile wrote:

I did a little research on these back in December and came up with the
following notes. Additional info is always appreciated.
John,
In case you aren't aware, Ted Culotta published a thoroughly researched
267-page book on the subject of these box cars. It contains builder's
photos, in-service photos, information on the appliances, paint specs
to the extent they were available, etc.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


Re: New Atlas Model: 1932 ARA Boxcar, HO Scale

Tim O'Connor
 

Ben is quite right that the 1932 design is distinctly different from
the earlier, and later, all-steel cars. For my part I have no use for it,
since I have kits from Sunshine for several prototype cars, and in
my experience, very few plastic kits can hold a candle to Frank
Hodina's resin work. But I'm sure these will be popping up on
steam era club layouts since they are very appropriate.

The Atlas drawings look kinda clunky -- almost like 3-rail cars
scaled down, or N-scale cars scaled up. Has anyone seen an
actual model or at least a test shot?

Tim O'Connor

-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "ed_mines" <ed_mines@...>

Members of our group might pay a premium for a slightly different car.
I wonder if the average model railroader would.


Re: New Atlas Model: 1932 ARA Boxcar, HO Scale

benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
 

Ed Mines wrote:
"For the car with a rectangular panel Murphy roof I meant Athearn,
Intermountain & Red Caboose and for the flat panel roof I meant Red
Caboose."

NONE of these models are 1932 ARA boxcars, though. And I'm wondering
what model you're calling the Red Caboose flat panel roof boxcar. If
you mean the PRR Class X29/1923 proposed ARA boxcar, that's NOT a 1932
ARA boxcar either. What's your point?


Ben Hom


Re: New Atlas Model: 1932 ARA Boxcar, HO Scale

ed_mines
 

--- In STMFC@..., "Brian J Carlson" <brian@...> wrote:
Where? The only 1932 ARA cars I am aware of are the resin offerings
from F&C
and Sunshine.
For the car with a rectangular panel Murphy roof I meant Athearn,
Intermountain & Red Caboose and for the flat panel roof I meant Red
Caboose.

Members of our group might pay a premium for a slightly different car.
I wonder if the average model railroader would.

I guess you're right though; an assembled Intermountain box car costs
as much.

Ed


Re: New Atlas Model: 1932 ARA Boxcar, HO Scale

SUVCWORR@...
 

In a message dated 3/4/2008 12:37:04 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
smithbf@... writes:

What cars are you thinking of? The only other 1932 ARA cars I'm
aware of in HO are the resin kits by Sunshine and F&C and at least
for the Sunshine kits, their price is comparable to the Atlas RTR price.





Bruce,

Since the photos are no longer on Atlas web site, how close is this to the
PRR X35?

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Re: New Atlas Model: 1932 ARA Boxcar, HO Scale

John Hile <john66h@...>
 

I did a little research on these back in December and came up with the
following notes. Additional info is always appreciated.

C.G. 4000-4499, 488 cars 1/53, miner hb, spring-plankless truck
(tichy/life-like), no poling pocket tabs

CRR 5000-5249, 246 cars 1/53, klasing hb, spring-plankless truck
(intermountain), poling pockets & tabs

I-GN 17001-17300, 265 50t cars & 31 40t cars 1/53, universal hb,
spring-plankless truck (tichy/life-like), end tabs but no poling
pockets, union duplex door hardware

MEC 4248-4499, 247 cars 1/53, ajax hb, cast steel truck w/spring plank
(atlas?)

WRTCo 900-919, 20 cars 1/53, ureco hb, cast steel truck w/spring plank
(atlas?) no poling pocket tabs, 6" greater center-to-center truck spacing

The CRR model on the Atlas site appears to match the notes above with
the exception of the hand brake and trucks...miner? and cast steel
with spring plank on the model. I am curious to see if the WRTCo car
will have the wider truck spacing.


-John Hile


Re: New Atlas Model: 1932 ARA Boxcar, HO Scale

seaboard_1966
 

Here is one for the SAL fans out there. WrightTRAK is going to have the vents for modelers who wish to build some SAL ventilated express cars. These are Wine Vents and will be good for many other uses as well.

Denis Blake
Marysville, OH

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Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: New Atlas Model: 1932 ARA Boxcar, HO Scale



On Mar 4, 2008, at 11:11 AM, ed_mines wrote:

Seems a little pricy, particularly when there are similar, less
expensive versions of similar cars.
What cars are you thinking of? The only other 1932 ARA cars I'm
aware of in HO are the resin kits by Sunshine and F&C and at least
for the Sunshine kits, their price is comparable to the Atlas RTR price.

Regards
Bruce

Bruce F. Smith
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Re: New Atlas Model: 1932 ARA Boxcar, HO Scale

Carl J. Marsico <Carlmarsico@...>
 

IMHO, the newly-tooled Athearn RTR cars have better "detail to cost" ratio than alot of the recent Atlas "non-Trainman" offerings.

CJM

Brian J Carlson <brian@...> wrote:
Ed Mines said:

Seems a little pricy, particularly when there are similar, less
expensive versions of similar cars.
Where? The only 1932 ARA cars I am aware of are the resin offerings from F&C
and Sunshine. Granted F&C can be bought cheaper at shows but I don't
consider the Atlas prices excessive for RTR plastic.

Brian Carlson


Re: New Atlas Model: 1932 ARA Boxcar, HO Scale

Bruce Smith
 

On Mar 4, 2008, at 11:11 AM, ed_mines wrote:

Seems a little pricy, particularly when there are similar, less
expensive versions of similar cars.
What cars are you thinking of? The only other 1932 ARA cars I'm aware of in HO are the resin kits by Sunshine and F&C and at least for the Sunshine kits, their price is comparable to the Atlas RTR price.

Regards
Bruce

Bruce F. Smith
Auburn, AL
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Re: Boxcar build dates?

benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
 

Frank Valoczy wrote:
"I'm looking for information as to when the following cars were built:
CNJ 33781
D&H 22962
ELS 7000 and 7096"

D&H 22962 was from D&H's large order of 36 ft DS steel underframe
boxcars in 1906-07. Be advised that the D&H had an aggresive rolling
stock rebuilding program, and the Hutchins ends on this car are one of
a variety of ends applied to these cars during the 1920s and 1930s.
They are not original to this car.


Ben Hom


Re: New Atlas Model: 1932 ARA Boxcar, HO Scale

Brian J Carlson <brian@...>
 

Ed Mines said:

Seems a little pricy, particularly when there are similar, less
expensive versions of similar cars.
Where? The only 1932 ARA cars I am aware of are the resin offerings from F&C
and Sunshine. Granted F&C can be bought cheaper at shows but I don't
consider the Atlas prices excessive for RTR plastic.

Brian Carlson


Re: New Atlas Model: 1932 ARA Boxcar, HO Scale

ed_mines
 

Seems a little pricy, particularly when there are similar, less
expensive versions of similar cars.

Ed


Re: SP-B-50-15 box car

Steve Lucas <stevelucas3@...>
 

When you think about where a wheel tread is when a car is moving on
tangent track, the centre of the wheel tread would be a sensible
location to take a wheel diameter measurement, as most of a car or
loco wheel wear occurs at the centre of the tread.

Steve Lucas.

--- In STMFC@..., "Mike Brock" <brockm@...> wrote:


Tim O'Connor asks:


"?? Mike, if the diameter is measured halfway into the tread,
wouldn't
the actual diameter of the wheel be LARGER? And of course the flange
depth marks the ultimate extremity of the wheel diameter..."

Consider a "33" wheel. The measurement being taken halfway into the
tread
would mean that, at that point, the wheel is 33" in diameter. At
that point
the tread is about 0.25" "wider" than at the wheel's face. To
clarify, draw
a line through the wheel's center such that the line intersects the
tread on
the right side and the left side of the wheel as you view the wheel
from its
side...looking directly at its face. The total wheel width at that
point on
the tread is 0.5" wider than the wheel's face. The flange...if I
recall
correctly...is about 1" deep so the face reads 32.5" wide, the
tread 33"
wide, and the flange 35" wide.

Mike Brock


Re: Branchline Yardmaster

Charles Hladik
 

ED,
Let's see now, Branchline and Athearn cars with cast on detail, compared
to cars with separate detail. How can you justify that comparison? It just
doesn't work.


Chuck Hladik
Rutland Railroad
Virginia Division
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Re: Boxcar build dates?

laramielarry <ostresh@...>
 

--- In STMFC@..., destron@... wrote:


Hi,

I'm looking for information as to when the following cars were built:

CNJ 33781
1901, according to the NEB&W web site.

Larry Ostresh
Laramie, Wyoming


Re: New Atlas Model: 1932 ARA Boxcar, HO Scale

Tom Madden <tgmadden@...>
 

Atlas has announced a new, HO scale model of the 1932 ARA boxcar. Pre-
production photos and available roadnames can be found at:

http://www.atlasrr.com/HOFreight/ho1932boxcar.htm

Be interesting to see how they turn out.

Mark Heiden
See Terry Link's message 67244 and followups from last October.

Tom Madden


Re: Coal hopper loading

Charlie Vlk
 

I've seen other publicity photos that appear to have hand-manicured top-offs on the coal loads. I recall one (I think it was linked here)
that had the larger sizes laid up as if it was paving....
Some of the coal would have made it to its destination...but certainly not all of it!!!
Charlie Vlk


Coal hopper loading

timbowilts <tim.tumber@...>
 

Good Evening and greetings from England, Folks.

I've loaded a picture into the "Files" section under the Folder
"Timbo's". It shows loaded coal hoppers somewhere on the Chicago Terre
Haute Southeastern in Indiana.

My question is how common would the degree of loading on the hopper on
the right be? It looks almost as if it were hand loaded. They couldn't
have expected that to travel very far, or could they?

Discuss, as my Geography lecturer used to say.

regards

Tim Tumber


P&LE rebuilt gons

ed_mines
 

Apparently P&LE had 2 styles of gons rebuilt from 46 ft. wood side gons.

One side has flat sides. There are 2 builders type photos of these in
the soft cover P&LE book credited to the "Rivers of Steel" collection .

The other variant increased the width of the car by putting extensions
beneath the original ribs. There's a John LaRue photos of one of these
cars in MOW service in the soft cover gon book. I think there's a fuzzy
picture of a similar car in the NMRA STMFC book. Anyone have a better
photo of these cars?

Can I get a bigger photo from the "Rivers of Steel" collection?

Ed


Tank car unloading revisited.

rockroll50401 <cepropst@...>
 

I asked my friend who grew up in Britt IA about his Uncle's DX oil
dealership again. He said: He had several upside down L shaped pipes
that swung away from the track. He would lower a pipe into the tank car
through the dome and screw it into the elbow on the end of one of the
swinging pipes. The pipe in the car would be short of the bottom by 6"
to a foot. He would not empty the car. In the pumphouse were several
electric pumps. (I suppose one for each vertical tank). He did not know
how he primed the system, he said he only saw the operation 3-4 times.
He said the pumphouse reeked of gas and didn't know why it didn't burn
down? Unless the motors were explosion proof neither do I! Because most
single phase motors of that time were open with brushes that would arch.
Clark Propst

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