--- In STMFC@..., destron@... wrote:

I think you're missing the fact that the caption on the photo

specifies

"Pre-Production Mockup," meaning that the final product will likely

not

look exactly like this.

You're right. I never considered the production model might be better
than the one shown on the internet. If it turns out that it is than
even I will buy a couple at $30 each.

Sometimes cost is a factor for me. I would have bought a Trix tank car
(or even cars) had they not been so expensive.

Ed

On Wed, 05 Mar 2008 17:08:14 -0000, ed_mines wrote

The car could have been something more useful to us. Looking at the
picture of the CCR car on the Atlas web site I don't think it will
be a big success for Atlas with a $30 price tag.

Ed, as has been pointed out, the picture is a pre production mock up. They
very well could have taken Solidworks models and made a rapid prototype
model from them. I think it would be best to wait for the real models
before critiquing the model.

Useful depends on the beholder. If you model the MP and don't want to, or
not have the time to build a ton of Sunshine or F&C models these will be
useful.

As discussed many times on this list RTR is where the stryene market has
headed. You can't get the Athearn 65' gons or RR30 reefers as kits either.
It's a fact of life with stryene models.

I have preordered the CCR car and a undecorated model for the later green
MEC paint scheme from my dealer to go with my C of G Sunshine kit for these
cars. If Atlas does an MP car in the later Route of Eagles scheme I may get
one of those too, so I am willing to give this model a chance. However, if
it has hamburger rivets and a scale 12" grab irons, I will sell it or put it
on the club layout.

brian Carlson

--- In STMFC@..., "benjaminfrank_hom" <b.hom@...> asked:
What's your point?

The car could have been something more useful to us. Looking at the
picture of the CCR car on the Atlas web site I don't think it will be a
big success for Atlas with a $30 price tag.

I think you're missing the fact that the caption on the photo specifies
"Pre-Production Mockup," meaning that the final product will likely not
look exactly like this. I've seen such mockups from models announced at
the Nuernberg Fair in Germany that looked like rubbish, and the final
production models were good. So, no need to worry too much yet until we've
seen the actual production models.

I'm disappointed that the car is apparently is not built from sectional
construction and only offered RTR. That could have given several
different roofs....

Again, according to the website, they'll have two versions with different
roofs and sides. Most likely, they only cut one set of dies for the body,
and went from there.

I wouldn't be surprised if they chose this prototype because of Ted's
book.

And what's wrong with that? That is, in my opinion, a Good Thing, if
manufacturers react to what their customer base is talking about with
interest.

I don't have many Atlas cars but I thought the 2 bay offset hppers were
nice.

Don't write these off yet, just based on pre-production samples! Yes, they
might end up looking like these samples, but they might very well not.

Frank Valoczy
Vancouver, BC

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Oh!! Thanks for the heads-up, Denis!

Frank Valoczy
Vancouver, BC

Here is one for the SAL fans out there. WrightTRAK is going to have the
vents for modelers who wish to build some SAL ventilated express cars.
These are Wine Vents and will be good for many other uses as well.

Denis Blake
Marysville, OH

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bruce Smith" <smithbf@...>
To: <STMFC@...>
Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 12:36 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: New Atlas Model: 1932 ARA Boxcar, HO Scale

On Mar 4, 2008, at 11:11 AM, ed_mines wrote:

Seems a little pricy, particularly when there are similar, less
expensive versions of similar cars.

What cars are you thinking of? The only other 1932 ARA cars I'm
aware of in HO are the resin kits by Sunshine and F&C and at least
for the Sunshine kits, their price is comparable to the Atlas RTR price.

Regards
Bruce

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I'm disappointed that the car is apparently is not built from sectional

construction and only offered RTR. That could have given several
different roofs....<

As the car is offered with two different roofs I doubt they made two molds but they could have made two inserts.
Manufactures have decided that RTR is what sells and the LHSs don't like to stock kits. IMHO undecs in a plastic bag would be easier to stock for the LHS but who knows. Also the kit would need all the sprues to product all the variations as I sure the LHS doesn't want 6 different bags to hang. Plastic is cheap, packaging and shelf space isn't!

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Ed

While the suggest retail price is going to be around 30 or so bucks they should be able to be had for less than that at some dealers. Shopping may be required.

No, this is not going to be a Kadee quality model...but that is OK. With a few mods they should look pretty nice though, it just depends on bad Atlas botches this thing up, if at all. Remember, their track record in freight cars ain't so good. I find that their detail today, compared to that of other companies that offer cars similar to their, lacks in several different ways, they have been documented on this list and others as well. No need to go into them again.

As a Seaboard modeler I need s small fleet of these cars. Some for freight service and some for conversion to ventilated express cars. I, for one, am glad to see this model come along. If there was an early steel sided box car that represents the SE this may well be the car.

Denis Blake
Marysville, OH

--- In STMFC@..., "benjaminfrank_hom" <b.hom@...> asked:
What's your point?

The car could have been something more useful to us. Looking at the
picture of the CCR car on the Atlas web site I don't think it will be a
big success for Atlas with a $30 price tag.

I'm disappointed that the car is apparently is not built from sectional
construction and only offered RTR. That could have given several
different roofs....

How much assembly is the manufacturer doing on this car? It looks like
the ladders are separate parts but it not a Kadee quality model.
Look at those side grabs.

I wouldn't be surprised if they chose this prototype because of Ted's
book.

I don't have many Atlas cars but I thought the 2 bay offset hppers were
nice.


Ed

Bob, Thanks, we do happen to have this photo and the end shot of car #3600. It happens to be one of the few "builders" photos we have of the 8 foot door 50 foot PS-1s. Thanks for the herald information too.

Sam Clarke
Kadee Quality Products

Charlie,

See message 63998.

Beware of the link wrap, but the image is still on
site at that address.

Steve M Stull
Winslow 7076


--- Charlie Vlk <cvlk@...> wrote:

I've seen other publicity photos that appear to have
hand-manicured top-offs on the coal loads. I recall
one (I think it was linked here)
that had the larger sizes laid up as if it was
paving....
Some of the coal would have made it to its
destination...but certainly not all of it!!!
Charlie Vlk

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On Mar 4, 2008, at 8:12 PM, benjaminfrank_hom wrote:

"Did any Western US roads use them? (West of the rockies)"

None that I know of, barring any secondhand owners.

No western RRs owned them, not even second hand. Almost all (the CGW
cars being a notable exception) were built for "steel belt" eastern RRs
at a time when railroads in the west favored composite box cars with
steel framing and either single or double wood sheathing. However,
they were a common sight in interchange on western RRs from the 1920s
through the 1950s, especially the Pennsy and B&O cars because there
were so many of them.

Richard Hendrickson

Sam, I purchased ca 1955 builder's photos for the AC&Y 50-foot PS-1
boxcars from Smithsonian in DC (their Pullman-Standard collection).
200 cars were built in May 1955 (AC&Y 3501-3700) under a 15-year lease
from A.A. Morrison with a renewal option. These were the first cars to
wear the AC&Y's new lemon herald. The scheme appears in the later
years unchanged. The loaded cars were dispersed Nationwide with the
rubber cities (Akron) finest tires and wheel rims.

Here are two shots of the ACY 50 foot PS-1s on the Fallen Flags site.
We'd considered doing this version several times but also have not
found enough photos to justify the effort yet. This version has 8 foot
door openings and an underframe like the 40 foot PS-1s which is why
they have the side sill tabs.

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/acy/acy3623ajw.jpg
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/acy/acy3693alb.jpg

Sam Clarke
Kadee Quality Products

"espeeac12" (?) wrote:
"How long did the 1923 ARA boxcars survive until they were retired?
1940? 1950? 1960+?"

Generally, very large numbers of these cars remained in service until
the mid-to-late 1950s, when they began to be retired in large numbers;
however, they would still be evident through the 1960s, particularly
PRR Class X29 express service boxcars, which stayed in service until
the mail contracts were finally lost. Check period ORERs for service
data for specific owners.


"Did any Western US roads use them? (West of the rockies)"

None that I know of, barring any secondhand owners.


Ben Hom

How long did the 1923 ARA boxcars survive until they were retired?
1940? 1950? 1960+?

Did any Western US roads use them? (West of the rockies)

--- Brian Paul Ehni wrote:

I just saw it at the link provided. Check your browser settings.

Here's the link again:
http://www.atlasrr.com/HOFreight/ho1932boxcar.htm

=====================================


There are also two models on the latest cover. Here's a PDF file:
http://download.atlasrr.com/ASC1Q2008/Covers.pdf

You can zoom in a bit, but exact roof and end details are not easy to
see. Just another view for yunz.

Eric Hansmann
Morgantown, W. Va.

Bruce Smith wrote:
"Well, not exactly <G>. PRR 36986 began life as ARA #3, of which
there are 3 very nice photos in Ted's book."

True - the photos definitely exist of the car as ARA 3; however, we
still haven't found any photos of this car in service as PRR 36986. I
challenge folks to find me a photo and prove me wrong.


Ben Hom

On Tue, March 4, 2008 6:50 pm, benjaminfrank_hom wrote:

Rich Orr asked:
"Since the photos are no longer on Atlas web site, how close is this
to the PRR X35?"

Rich, that's a loaded question, as no photos of PRR 36986, the single
Class X35 have surfaced. The class diagram shows a car with 4/4
Dreadnaught ends and a flat panel roof, but as you well know, basing
an answer on this is questionable at best.
http://prr.railfan.net/freight/PRRdiagrams.html?diag=x35.gif&fr=cl


Ben Hom

Ben, Rich,

Well, not exactly <G>. PRR 36986 began life as ARA #3, of which there
are 3 very nice photos in Ted's book. Among the issues would be the brake
reservoir and brake wheel. ARA #3 had a geared vertical shaft wheel and
an early transverse reservoir. The #3 had Camel lift type door hardware,
which appears to be what is on the CRR model. #3 also had a Hutchins all
steel dry lading roof with rectangular panels and a 4-4 dreadnaught ends
which appear to match the CRR model.

I would note however that the CRR model on the Atlas page is described as
a "pre-production mock-up" NOT a "test shot", indicating that this model
may not be a "test shot" and may not resemble the final product in some or
many details. Thus to be making ANY kind of judgement on the basis of
this photograph is simply foolish ;^)

Regards
Bruce

Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL

I just saw it at the link provided. Check your browser settings. Here's the
link again:
http://www.atlasrr.com/HOFreight/ho1932boxcar.htm
--
Thanks!

Brian Ehni



From: <SUVCWORR@...>
Reply-To: <STMFC@...>
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 20:31:50 EST
To: <STMFC@...>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: New Atlas Model: 1932 ARA Boxcar, HO Scale

Rich Orr asked:
"Since the photos are no longer on Atlas web site, how close is this
to the PRR X35?"

Rich, that's a loaded question, as no photos of PRR 36986, the single
Class X35 have surfaced. The class diagram shows a car with 4/4
Dreadnaught ends and a flat panel roof, but as you well know, basing
an answer on this is questionable at best.
http://prr.railfan.net/freight/PRRdiagrams.html?diag=x35.gif&fr=cl


Ben Hom

The Clinchfield car which is the test shot looks good for the top picture on page 94 of Ted's book. Something looks wrong about the truck compared to the picture.
While the 8-37 data is good for me the date on the Atlas car is unreadable to me but it looked like 8-47 (hope not).

http://www.atlasrr.com/HOFreight/ho1932boxcar.htm

Jon Miller
AT&SF
For me time has stopped in 1941
Digitrax, Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI user
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS