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Rapid prototyping for pattern-making...

Steve Lucas <stevelucas3@...>
 

Rapid prototyping has been mentioned on this list with regard to the
upcoming Atlas boxcar.

Does anyone know of rapid prototyping being used for pattern-making for
resin detail parts or kits, and might care to share their thoughts?
I'm not looking for names of people or firms--they may want to protect
their "trade secrets", and that's fine with me. ;)

Steve Lucas.


photographic print vs. scan

gn3397 <heninger@...>
 

Hello all,
I am hoping once again to tap into the collective wisdom of the
group. I recently discovered that you can order prints from the NMRA
collection. They charge 15.00 for a 8"x10" print, or 5.00 for a 600-dpi
TIFF scan, intended to print at 8"x10". I am wondering the best route
to take. I know that a B&W print stored properly will outlive me, but I
could also print the images from the CD as well. Are most commercial
photo printers able to print from TIFF files? I would like the ability
to have a hard copy to use while working on a model. I am unfamiliar
with this format, and know that JPEGs are compressed and you lose some
image detail. What does everyone on the the list do with their
collections? Thanks.

Sincerely,
Robert D. Heninger
Stanley, ND


Re: New Atlas Model: 1932 ARA Boxcar, HO Scale

seaboard_1966
 

I think, in their original announcement, made back in Oct., they stated that a plate ended car was indeed coming along.

I have ordered some of them from my local pusher.
I think it was one CRR car and 2 CofGa cars.

Denis Blake
Marysville, GA

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Group,

One other comment on the forthcoming Atlas cars...
When I was at the W. Springfield, MA show at the end of January, I asked one of the Atlas
reps whether there would be more versions of these cars in the future. His reply was that
eventually there will be 6 variations produced. If true, and depending on what roof/end
combinations are produced, then they would be able to cover the majority of styles of the
1932 car.

We'll see what actually transpires.

Paul Eklund




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Re: Santa Fe Hopper cars

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Mar 5, 2008, at 7:28 PM, rdietrichson wrote:

Hi guys,
I'm trying to determine if any of the two bay or three bay open top
hoppers were used by the Santa Fe in the early 50's to transport
aggregate or ballast on the Valley division. I know there was some
discussion about coal hauling, but am wondering if these cars found
other uses out west.
Thanks for any help.
Rick Dietrichson
Rick, the Santa Fe's cross hoppers were used mostly in coal service,
and therefore seldom appeared on the Coast Lines. The exception was
that some Ga-60 and Ga-62 class War Emergency composite hoppers were
used in California to transport sulfur, as their wood side sheathing
and slope sheets resisted corrosion. Aggregate and ballast were
carried almost entirely in either Caswell drop bottom gondolas or in
Hart Selective ballast hoppers, of which the Santa Fe owned several
classes.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: New Atlas Model: 1932 ARA Boxcar, HO Scale

eklundp
 

Group,

One other comment on the forthcoming Atlas cars...
When I was at the W. Springfield, MA show at the end of January, I asked one of the Atlas
reps whether there would be more versions of these cars in the future. His reply was that
eventually there will be 6 variations produced. If true, and depending on what roof/end
combinations are produced, then they would be able to cover the majority of styles of the
1932 car.

We'll see what actually transpires.

Paul Eklund


Re: Silver Streak.

Mark Mathu
 

Phil Marcus wrote:

Photo of WRX 9405 (9000-9499) in 1964 with GBW logo to
right of doors, sans-serif lettering.
Here's an image of WRX 9785 in revenue service and still
with wood ends in 1968:
http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=69303
An interesting looking car. Does anyone know its history?

I was hoping someone else would be able to step in with a definitive
history, but lacking that here's what I've been able to deduce:

This car was part of the original Western refrigerator Lines (WRX
9000-9499, 500 cars) built by AC&F in 1929. As far as I can tell WRX
never acquired any more wood reefers and only a handful of newer steel
cars so this car was from the original order.

Over time wood cars in the 9000-9499 series were assigned new numbers
above 9500 as they were rebuilt with different insulation or doors,
rebuilt with steel sides (see http://tinyurl.com/yvhzz2 for a rebuilt
WRX reefer), or assigned to specific shippers.

Specifically this car was part of WRX 9776 to 9799 in 1968 (20 cars,
with a few more added in the early 1970s) --- RBLs described as
"specially equipped with loading bulkheads" in Official Railway
Equipment Registers of the time. The last car in this series was
retired in 1975.

Corrections or further info is greatly appreciated.

__________
Mark Mathu
Whitefish Bay, Wis.
The Green Bay Route: http://www.greenbayroute.com/


Santa Fe Hopper cars

rdietrichson
 

Hi guys,
I'm trying to determine if any of the two bay or three bay open top
hoppers were used by the Santa Fe in the early 50's to transport
aggregate or ballast on the Valley division. I know there was some
discussion about coal hauling, but am wondering if these cars found
other uses out west.
Thanks for any help.
Rick Dietrichson
Wilmington, NC


Re: Question about 1923 ARA boxcar (not 1932)

Brian J Carlson <brian@...>
 

On Thu, 06 Mar 2008 03:09:57 -0000, rwitt_2000 wrote
The B&O cars should have been a common sight in interchange even into
the 1960's.

From the 1960 B&O Summary of Equipment the B&O still operated 12,120
class M-26 and subclasses of their ARA style boxcars. This represents
only a 13.4% reduction in the total fleet of 14,000cars that were
constructed between 1925 and 1931. From the January 1964 ORER the
B&O still operated 10,140 class M-26 and subclasses boxcars. This still
only represents a 28.5% reduction in the total fleet after nearly 40
years of service.
Bob, starting to get to the end of our era but I have a question. Do you
know if later in life the B&O cars were still in revenue service at those
later dates. There is evidence that the Pennsy's large fleet of X29's,
though still in the ORER were sitting idle in yards waiting to be scrap
since the small size of the car made them undesirable to the shipper. I
guess I am asking did the B&O have the same problem?

Brian Carlson


Re: Question about 1923 ARA boxcar (not 1932)

rwitt_2000 <rmwitt@...>
 

Richard Hendrickson wrote:
<snip>
However, they were a common sight in interchange on western RRs from
the 1920s through the >1950s, especially the Pennsy and B&O cars because
there were so many of them.
The B&O cars should have been a common sight in interchange even into
the 1960's.

From the 1960 B&O Summary of Equipment the B&O still operated 12,120
class M-26 and subclasses of their ARA style boxcars. This represents
only a 13.4% reduction in the total fleet of 14,000cars that were
constructed between 1925 and 1931. From the January 1964 ORER the B&O
still operated 10,140 class M-26 and subclasses boxcars. This still
only represents a 28.5% reduction in the total fleet after nearly 40
years of service.

Bob Witt


Re: Express Reefer shipments

Steve Lucas <stevelucas3@...>
 

PTJ ran some 1969 (?) photos many years ago that showed a passenger
train on the PC at Kokomo, IN setting off an REA express reefer. The
car was on the tail end of the train, and the crew shoved it into a
track at the passenger station.

CN and CPR both carried express cars on the tail end of passenger
trains in the 1950's. Being on the tail end of the train, the cars'
steam and air signal pipes were not connected. This simplified
cutting off the cars, as the cars set off only had to have the hand
brake applied on, and the angle cock closed ahead of, the cars being
set off. Markers would be moved to the new tail end as the cars were
set off.

Recognised train crew work under collective agreeements in both
Canada and the US always included setting off or lifting cars en
route--whether in passenger OR freight service. Some CN passenger
trains setting off and lifting express cars enroute had only the
conductor wearing a uniform--the brakeman and baggagemen wore
overalls at work because of the switching and breaking/connecting of
steam, air signal, and brake pipes en route.

Steve Lucas.

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Malcolm Laughlin
<mlaughlinnyc@...> wrote:

Posted by: "Tim O'Connor Jeff

Yes, I think the railroad could deliver an express reefer to almost
any freight depot or team track along a passenger train route for
unloading (or even sale) by a wholesaler. I supposeit's even possible
the express reefer could be moved to the unloading spot by a
wayfreight. Union rules might have limited the railroad's options in
such cases (i.e. do you pay extra wages to the passenger train crew
because they have to deliver an express car?)
-----------

I think I can answer the work rules question. A passenger train
could pick up or drop a car at any passneger station where there was
not a switch engine on duty. The knid of car didn't matter. But of
course you wouldn't see that happening with an ordinary freight car
that didn't have steam or train signal line connections. As for a
passenger train doing that work at a team track or freight station,
I've not heard of it – seems like a very gray area in regard to work
rules. My suspicion is that the crew would claim a day at local
freight wages if required to do that. The claim would be denied by
management and most likely awarded when it got to the NRAB level.



Malcolm Laughlin, Editor 617-489-4383
New England Rail Shipper Directories
19 Holden Road, Belmont, MA 02478



BAR ARA/AAR 1932 Boxcar

Eric Hansmann
 

Ben Hom wrote:

He's not kidding - BAR 65000-65449, built in 1938 by Magor with 4/5 W-
section corner post ends. See the 1940 CBC for photo.

===========================


Two years ago, I spotted one of these in Bradford, Penna. Here are a few images of BAR 5403
(formerly 65403) in the weeds:
http://www.hansmanns.org/relics_of_rails/bradford_boxcars.htm

Eric Hansmann
Morgantown, W. Va.


Re: New Atlas Model: 1932 ARA Boxcar, HO Scale

ed_mines
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, destron@... wrote:
I think you're missing the fact that the caption on the photo
specifies
"Pre-Production Mockup," meaning that the final product will likely
not
look exactly like this.
You're right. I never considered the production model might be better
than the one shown on the internet. If it turns out that it is than
even I will buy a couple at $30 each.

Sometimes cost is a factor for me. I would have bought a Trix tank car
(or even cars) had they not been so expensive.

Ed


Re: New Atlas Model: 1932 ARA Boxcar, HO Scale

Brian J Carlson <brian@...>
 

On Wed, 05 Mar 2008 17:08:14 -0000, ed_mines wrote

The car could have been something more useful to us. Looking at the
picture of the CCR car on the Atlas web site I don't think it will
be a big success for Atlas with a $30 price tag.
Ed, as has been pointed out, the picture is a pre production mock up. They
very well could have taken Solidworks models and made a rapid prototype
model from them. I think it would be best to wait for the real models
before critiquing the model.

Useful depends on the beholder. If you model the MP and don't want to, or
not have the time to build a ton of Sunshine or F&C models these will be
useful.

As discussed many times on this list RTR is where the stryene market has
headed. You can't get the Athearn 65' gons or RR30 reefers as kits either.
It's a fact of life with stryene models.

I have preordered the CCR car and a undecorated model for the later green
MEC paint scheme from my dealer to go with my C of G Sunshine kit for these
cars. If Atlas does an MP car in the later Route of Eagles scheme I may get
one of those too, so I am willing to give this model a chance. However, if
it has hamburger rivets and a scale 12" grab irons, I will sell it or put it
on the club layout.

brian Carlson


Re: New Atlas Model: 1932 ARA Boxcar, HO Scale

destron@...
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "benjaminfrank_hom" <b.hom@...> asked:
What's your point?

The car could have been something more useful to us. Looking at the
picture of the CCR car on the Atlas web site I don't think it will be a
big success for Atlas with a $30 price tag.
I think you're missing the fact that the caption on the photo specifies
"Pre-Production Mockup," meaning that the final product will likely not
look exactly like this. I've seen such mockups from models announced at
the Nuernberg Fair in Germany that looked like rubbish, and the final
production models were good. So, no need to worry too much yet until we've
seen the actual production models.

I'm disappointed that the car is apparently is not built from sectional
construction and only offered RTR. That could have given several
different roofs....
Again, according to the website, they'll have two versions with different
roofs and sides. Most likely, they only cut one set of dies for the body,
and went from there.

I wouldn't be surprised if they chose this prototype because of Ted's
book.
And what's wrong with that? That is, in my opinion, a Good Thing, if
manufacturers react to what their customer base is talking about with
interest.

I don't have many Atlas cars but I thought the 2 bay offset hppers were
nice.
Don't write these off yet, just based on pre-production samples! Yes, they
might end up looking like these samples, but they might very well not.

Frank Valoczy
Vancouver, BC

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Re: New Atlas Model: 1932 ARA Boxcar, HO Scale

destron@...
 

Oh!! Thanks for the heads-up, Denis!

Frank Valoczy
Vancouver, BC


Here is one for the SAL fans out there. WrightTRAK is going to have the
vents for modelers who wish to build some SAL ventilated express cars.
These are Wine Vents and will be good for many other uses as well.

Denis Blake
Marysville, OH

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On Mar 4, 2008, at 11:11 AM, ed_mines wrote:

Seems a little pricy, particularly when there are similar, less
expensive versions of similar cars.
What cars are you thinking of? The only other 1932 ARA cars I'm
aware of in HO are the resin kits by Sunshine and F&C and at least
for the Sunshine kits, their price is comparable to the Atlas RTR price.

Regards
Bruce

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Re: New Atlas Model: 1932 ARA Boxcar, HO Scale

seaboard_1966
 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jon Miller" <atsf@inow.com>
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 12:32 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] New Atlas Model: 1932 ARA Boxcar, HO Scale


I'm disappointed that the car is apparently is not built from sectionalconstruction and only offered RTR. That could have given several different roofs....<
As the car is offered with two different roofs I doubt they made two molds but they could have made two inserts. Manufactures have decided that RTR is what sells and the LHSs don't like to stock kits. IMHO undecs in a plastic bag would be easier to stock for
the LHS but who knows. Also the kit would need all the sprues to product all the variations as I sure the LHS doesn't want 6 different bags to hang. Plastic is cheap, packaging and shelf space isn't!>
Jon Miller

Jon

Actually I think it is the modelers who have decided that kits don't sell. The manufacturers are just catering to that trend. Guys like those on this list are a minority. We take the time to build stuff correctly and do some scratchbuilding where necessary. The vast majority of modelers today simply take a car out of the box, set it on the rail and away they go. That is the vast majority of the modelers out there today.

Denis Blake
Seaboard Air Line Northern Region Shops
Marysville, OH


Re: New Atlas Model: 1932 ARA Boxcar, HO Scale

Jon Miller <atsf@...>
 

I'm disappointed that the car is apparently is not built from sectional
construction and only offered RTR. That could have given several
different roofs....<

As the car is offered with two different roofs I doubt they made two molds but they could have made two inserts.
Manufactures have decided that RTR is what sells and the LHSs don't like to stock kits. IMHO undecs in a plastic bag would be easier to stock for the LHS but who knows. Also the kit would need all the sprues to product all the variations as I sure the LHS doesn't want 6 different bags to hang. Plastic is cheap, packaging and shelf space isn't!

Jon Miller
AT&SF
For me time has stopped in 1941
Digitrax, Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI user
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Re: New Atlas Model: 1932 ARA Boxcar, HO Scale

seaboard_1966
 

Ed

While the suggest retail price is going to be around 30 or so bucks they should be able to be had for less than that at some dealers. Shopping may be required.

No, this is not going to be a Kadee quality model...but that is OK. With a few mods they should look pretty nice though, it just depends on bad Atlas botches this thing up, if at all. Remember, their track record in freight cars ain't so good. I find that their detail today, compared to that of other companies that offer cars similar to their, lacks in several different ways, they have been documented on this list and others as well. No need to go into them again.

As a Seaboard modeler I need s small fleet of these cars. Some for freight service and some for conversion to ventilated express cars. I, for one, am glad to see this model come along. If there was an early steel sided box car that represents the SE this may well be the car.

Denis Blake
Marysville, OH

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From: "ed_mines" <ed_mines@yahoo.com>
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Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 12:08 PM
Subject: [STMFC] New Atlas Model: 1932 ARA Boxcar, HO Scale


--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "benjaminfrank_hom" <b.hom@...> asked:
What's your point?

The car could have been something more useful to us. Looking at the
picture of the CCR car on the Atlas web site I don't think it will be a
big success for Atlas with a $30 price tag.

I'm disappointed that the car is apparently is not built from sectional
construction and only offered RTR. That could have given several
different roofs....

How much assembly is the manufacturer doing on this car? It looks like
the ladders are separate parts but it not a Kadee quality model.
Look at those side grabs.

I wouldn't be surprised if they chose this prototype because of Ted's
book.

I don't have many Atlas cars but I thought the 2 bay offset hppers were
nice.


Ed








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New Atlas Model: 1932 ARA Boxcar, HO Scale

ed_mines
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "benjaminfrank_hom" <b.hom@...> asked:
What's your point?

The car could have been something more useful to us. Looking at the
picture of the CCR car on the Atlas web site I don't think it will be a
big success for Atlas with a $30 price tag.

I'm disappointed that the car is apparently is not built from sectional
construction and only offered RTR. That could have given several
different roofs....

How much assembly is the manufacturer doing on this car? It looks like
the ladders are separate parts but it not a Kadee quality model.
Look at those side grabs.

I wouldn't be surprised if they chose this prototype because of Ted's
book.

I don't have many Atlas cars but I thought the 2 bay offset hppers were
nice.


Ed


Re: ACY 50' PS1

SamClarke
 

Bob, Thanks, we do happen to have this photo and the end shot of car #3600. It happens to be one of the few "builders" photos we have of the 8 foot door 50 foot PS-1s. Thanks for the herald information too.

Sam Clarke
Kadee Quality Products

----- Original Message -----
From: Bob Lucas
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 8:48 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: ACY 50' PS1


Sam, I purchased ca 1955 builder's photos for the AC&Y 50-foot PS-1
boxcars from Smithsonian in DC (their Pullman-Standard collection).
200 cars were built in May 1955 (AC&Y 3501-3700) under a 15-year lease
from A.A. Morrison with a renewal option. These were the first cars to
wear the AC&Y's new lemon herald. The scheme appears in the later
years unchanged. The loaded cars were dispersed Nationwide with the
rubber cities (Akron) finest tires and wheel rims.

Here are two shots of the ACY 50 foot PS-1s on the Fallen Flags site.
We'd considered doing this version several times but also have not
found enough photos to justify the effort yet. This version has 8 foot
door openings and an underframe like the 40 foot PS-1s which is why
they have the side sill tabs.

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/acy/acy3623ajw.jpg
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/acy/acy3693alb.jpg

Sam Clarke
Kadee Quality Products

122101 - 122120 of 192670