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Re: Camel-Allen Door Hardware

np40txm1 <np40txm1@...>
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Madden" <tgmadden@...> wrote:

I put a couple scans on my web site of photos I took in March 1989 of
cars at Perris. Is this what you're looking for, Tim?

http://home.att.net/~pullmanproject/Camel_1.jpg
http://home.att.net/~pullmanproject/Camel_2.jpg

Tom Madden
Thanks Tom, great photos, but not the ones I'm looking for. The T&NO
cars used right-handed latches and slightly different doors ("Storm
Proof") and hangers than the SP and PE B-50-13's.

Tim


Re: photographic print vs. scan

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Robert D. Heninger wrote:
I recently scanned an old B&W print for someone, and while the resolution was high (600 dpi), I could not match the exposure latitude of the print.
Sounds like your scanner may not have enough dynamic range.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Kit needed - ACY ex-Frisco cars

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Thanks a lot!

SGL

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bob Lucas
Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2008 11:28 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Kit needed - ACY ex-Frisco cars

Schuyler, here's a summary of the AC&Y ex-Frisco single-sheathed
cars:

AC&Y 3750-3874: 125 DD cars, 10'2" IH, 4642 cuf, Mt. Vernon
AC&Y 3875-3926: 52 SD cars, 10'8" IH, 4902 cuf, St. Louis Ref.
AC&Y 3927-3949: 22 SD cars, 10'2" IH, 4663 cuf, St. Louis Ref.

Additionally, there was one test car:

AC&Y 3616: 1 SD car, 10'8" IH, 4902 cuf, St. Louis Ref.

The test car was a proposed replacement by the leasor (A.A. Morrison)
for a 50' PS-1 derailment casualty with the same AC&Y roster number.
All the ex-Frisco cars had sealed auto ends, though don't show in
ORER's as such.

Bob Lucas
**************
Bob, do you (or does anyone else) know the a) complete span of
numbers in this series and b) which
among them were 10'-2" vs 10'-8" IH?

SGL

Schuyler, Though both ex-Frisco cars were reconditioned by St. Louis
Refrigerator about the same time, AC&Y 3930 was in the last leased
series of 22 cars and was rebuilt as a 10'2 IH car vs. 10'8 for AC&Y
3918, thus the visual difference in the upper steel plate. Why the
IH height was changed is unknown except the tire companies no doubt
had a say? Additionally, AC&Y sported a facinating roster of single-
sheathed 40' Mathers and ex-P&N 40' autocars, the latter which also
beg to be a resin kit offering. Bob

Bob, 3930 and 3918 don't quite match. The upper steel plate on
3918
is taller than the corresponding plate on 3930. Any thoughts on
that?

An appealing car, somehow, and if it did start with Frisco and
move
to ACY, that is good for the sales of the resin kit maker that
brings
it out. Right, Ted? Or is that you, Al?

SGL

-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Lucas

Dave, AC&Y 3918 originated as a circa 30's SLSF Frisco 50'6"
DD
car.
To meet increased tire and rim demand in the 50's, AC&Y leased
roughly 200 ex-Frisco wood single-sheathed autocars, ideal for
(hot)
tire shipments. AC&Y 3875-3926 were reconditioned by St. Louis
Refrigerator in 1958 wherein the roof was raised to 10'8" IH
(note
upper steel panel). A single 9' door was installed replacing
the
SLSF double doors.

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/acy/acy3918jwa.jpg.
<http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/acy/acy3918jwa.jpg.>
<http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/acy/acy3918jwa.jpg.
<http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/acy/acy3918jwa.jpg.> >
<http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/acy/acy3918jwa.jpg.
<http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/acy/acy3918jwa.jpg.>
<http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/acy/acy3918jwa.jpg.
<http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/acy/acy3918jwa.jpg.> > >

What you don't see with AC&Y 3918 and others (four series) is
that
all had end auto doors, albeit sealed. Also, 125 cars in
series
AC&Y
3750-3874 were rebuilt with double steel doors with a 10'2"
IH.
See
the photo of one of the DD cars wrecked on the CNW.

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=771451
<http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=771451>
<http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=771451
<http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=771451> >
<http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=771451
<http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=771451>
<http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=771451
<http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=771451> > >

The final series, AC&Y 3927-3949, were rebuilt 10'2" IH with a
single
9' door. Note the panels reflect the sealing of the left DD
door.

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/acy/acy3930ajw.jpg
<http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/acy/acy3930ajw.jpg>
<http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/acy/acy3930ajw.jpg
<http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/acy/acy3930ajw.jpg> >
<http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/acy/acy3930ajw.jpg
<http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/acy/acy3930ajw.jpg>
<http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/acy/acy3930ajw.jpg
<http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/acy/acy3930ajw.jpg> > >

As others on the list have mentioned, there is currently no
resin
kit
for the AC&Y cars. However, the old Roundhouse/MDC kits 2100
and
2130, no longer in production, can be easily modified as
pretty
reasonable stand-ins. Bob Lucas





Re: Kit needed - ACY ex-Frisco cars

destron@...
 

ex-P&N 40' autocars, the latter which also
beg to be a resin kit offering. Bob
Well, the PM had a very, very similar series of cars - 88000 series off
the top of my head - that is listed on the Speedwitch site as an upcoming
kit. I can't wait for that, myself - definitely will be grabbing at least
two of those, for a P&N 24000-series car, and an ACY version. Are there
decals yet for the ACY version?

Frank Valoczy
Vancouver, BC

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Re: Kit needed - ACY ex-Frisco cars

Bob Lucas
 

Schuyler, here's a summary of the AC&Y ex-Frisco single-sheathed
cars:

AC&Y 3750-3874: 125 DD cars, 10'2" IH, 4642 cuf, Mt. Vernon
AC&Y 3875-3926: 52 SD cars, 10'8" IH, 4902 cuf, St. Louis Ref.
AC&Y 3927-3949: 22 SD cars, 10'2" IH, 4663 cuf, St. Louis Ref.

Additionly, there was one test car:

AC&Y 3616: 1 SD car, 10'8" IH, 4902 cuf, St. Louis Ref.

The test car was a proposed replacement by the leasor (A.A. Morrison)
for a 50' PS-1 derailment casualty with the same AC&Y roster number.
All the ex-Frisco cars had sealed auto ends, though don't show in
ORER's as such.

Bob Lucas
**************
Bob, do you (or does anyone else) know the a) complete span of
numbers in this series and b) which
among them were 10'-2" vs 10'-8" IH?

SGL

Schuyler, Though both ex-Frisco cars were reconditioned by St. Louis
Refrigerator about the same time, AC&Y 3930 was in the last leased
series of 22 cars and was rebuilt as a 10'2 IH car vs. 10'8 for AC&Y
3918, thus the visual difference in the upper steel plate. Why the
IH height was changed is unknown except the tire companies no doubt
had a say? Additionally, AC&Y sported a facinating roster of single-
sheathed 40' Mathers and ex-P&N 40' autocars, the latter which also
beg to be a resin kit offering. Bob

Bob, 3930 and 3918 don't quite match. The upper steel plate on
3918
is taller than the corresponding plate on 3930. Any thoughts on
that?

An appealing car, somehow, and if it did start with Frisco and
move
to ACY, that is good for the sales of the resin kit maker that
brings
it out. Right, Ted? Or is that you, Al?

SGL

-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Lucas

Dave, AC&Y 3918 originated as a circa 30's SLSF Frisco 50'6"
DD
car.
To meet increased tire and rim demand in the 50's, AC&Y leased
roughly 200 ex-Frisco wood single-sheathed autocars, ideal for
(hot)
tire shipments. AC&Y 3875-3926 were reconditioned by St. Louis
Refrigerator in 1958 wherein the roof was raised to 10'8" IH
(note
upper steel panel). A single 9' door was installed replacing
the
SLSF double doors.

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/acy/acy3918jwa.jpg.
<http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/acy/acy3918jwa.jpg.>
<http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/acy/acy3918jwa.jpg.
<http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/acy/acy3918jwa.jpg.> >

What you don't see with AC&Y 3918 and others (four series) is
that
all had end auto doors, albeit sealed. Also, 125 cars in
series
AC&Y
3750-3874 were rebuilt with double steel doors with a 10'2"
IH.
See
the photo of one of the DD cars wrecked on the CNW.

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=771451
<http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=771451>
<http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=771451
<http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=771451> >

The final series, AC&Y 3927-3949, were rebuilt 10'2" IH with a
single
9' door. Note the panels reflect the sealing of the left DD
door.

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/acy/acy3930ajw.jpg
<http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/acy/acy3930ajw.jpg>
<http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/acy/acy3930ajw.jpg
<http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/acy/acy3930ajw.jpg> >

As others on the list have mentioned, there is currently no
resin
kit
for the AC&Y cars. However, the old Roundhouse/MDC kits 2100
and
2130, no longer in production, can be easily modified as
pretty
reasonable stand-ins. Bob Lucas



Plover Poultry Car

Ian Cranstone
 

I received this question earlier today, but don't have any ideas as to where to start looking for the answer to this one. Any suggestions are welcome.

Ian Cranstone
Osgoode, Ontario, Canada
lamontc@nakina.net
http://freightcars.nakina.net
http://siberians.nakina.net

Begin forwarded message:

I have a photo in my collection of a type of wooden stock car (poultry car) sitting beside the Algoma Eastern Railway station in Little Current on the Manitoulin Island. From the look of the automobiles nearby, I would say the date of the photo could be from 1913 to late 1920's.

From the information I have, this car was used to ship live turkeys from the Manitoulin Island to destinations in North America. On the side of the car, centred above the entry door is the word "Plover". From the research I have done so far, there were many of these poultry cars in North America and some had private owners. Do you have any information on this private owner? Where was his business located? Any history on this "Plover" poultry (turkey) car?


Re: Camel-Allen Door Hardware

Tom Madden <tgmadden@...>
 

I put a couple scans on my web site of photos I took in March 1989 of
cars at Perris. Is this what you're looking for, Tim?

http://home.att.net/~pullmanproject/Camel_1.jpg
http://home.att.net/~pullmanproject/Camel_2.jpg

Tom Madden


Re: Atlas HO 1932 ARA Box Car Revisited

Gene Green <bierglaeser@...>
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, SUVCWORR@... wrote:
The ARA test car was:
IL 40 6
IW 8 9
IH 9 4
EXT W 10 4
EXT HGT 14 5
TOP RUNNING BOARD 13 10
HGT AT EAVES 12 9
OVERALL LEN 41 8
CAP 3311

Rich Orr
Richard,
Thanks. Only the inside length and cubic feet of the WRT box cars
match your dimensions. Clearly I need Ted Culotta's book on this topic.
Gene


Re: Glue for Resin Caution

Jack Burgess
 

Bruce wrote:

Jack,

As I recall, you live in an area where, when the humidity gets up to 15%,
everyone says that they are drowning ;^) I live in an area where, when
the humidity drops to 50%, we all exclaim about how dry it is! My CA goes
bad in 6 months, like clockwork, regardless of the brand or container (I
have not tried storing it in desiccant yet though...)
You got me there....<g>

Jack Burgess
www.yosemitevalleyrr.com


Re: Camel-Allen Door Hardware

np40txm1 <np40txm1@...>
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Madden" <tgmadden@...> wrote:

Very nice image of an SP drop-bottom gon, but your box car image is
unavailable to those of us not registered on that forum. Could you post
the image to the Photos area here, perchance??

Tom Madden

For a picture and more go to Elvas Tower MSTS & Railfan Forums:
http://www.elvastower.com/forums/index.php?
showtopic=2620&st=0&#entry15738

Thanks for any info regarding this.

Tim Muir
Railroad Earth Models
I've started an album for MSTS Models with a couple of views from the
forum thread, just awaiting approval by the moderators. Thanks re the
gon, one of my models for MSTS I use for a signature.

Tim Muir
Railroad Earth Models


Atlas HO 1932 ARA Box Car Revisited

Gene Green <bierglaeser@...>
 

When looking at the Atlas HO 1932 ARA box cars on their web site I saw
they were planning to offer 2 different numbers for Warrior River
Terminal. I never heard of the Warrior River Terminal before.

Today, quite by chance as I was thumbing through the June 27, 1942
RAILWAY AGE, I discovered that the Warrior River Terminal was a
subsidiary of "... the government-owned Inland Waterways
Corporation ..." While the "Mississippi system" was mentioned there
seemed to be no indication where the Warrior River Terminal operated.

According to their entry in the January 1942 ORER the Warrior River
Terminal operated in Ensley, Alabama and interchanged with the
Birminghm Southern, IC, L&N, SFSF and Southern as well as Federal Barge
Lines. The Warrior River Terminal did have 20 box cars numbered 900-
919 but whether these were 1932 ARA box cars or something else, I can't
tell.

Does anyone know what the dimensions of 1932 ARA box cars might have
been?
What might the Warrior River Terminal hauled?
Would their cars have been seen very widely in interchange?

Gene Green
Out in the west Texas town of El Paso


Re: photographic print vs. scan

Cyril Durrenberger
 

Does anyone know how to contact Bob's Photos besides attending one of the shows he attends?

Cyril Durrenberger

Jon Miller <atsf@inow.com> wrote: Ah, that explains it, members and non-members. Sure wish they said that
and then it wouldn't have confused this old brain like it did.
So the remaining question is could you get the scans printed at
Wal-Mart.
Also Bob prints from the neg so I'm guessing his quality is a bit better
than a scanned file. On top of that the amount of pictures available from
the NMRA is limited.

Jon Miller
AT&SF
For me time has stopped in 1941
Digitrax, Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI user
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Re: Plover Poultry Car

Walter Cox
 

In a message dated 3/8/2008 11:15:59 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
lamontc@nakina.net writes:

From the information I have, this car was used to ship live turkeys
from the Manitoulin Island to destinations in North America. On the
side of the car, centred above the entry door is the word "Plover".
From the research I have done so far, there were many of these
poultry cars in North America and some had private owners.

An aol search turned up the following . I tried opening the link but it was
too small to read and would not print. It looked it referred to an 1898
article in the NY Times. Some references to Plover Wi. preceded the one for
poultry so the name on the car may be a geographical reference to a Plover poultry
Co. The petroleum reference has me somewhat baffled though.
Walt Cox

_Petroleum._
(http://aolsearch.aol.com/aol/redir?src=websearch&requestId=95ebaa0592233dfc&clickedItemRank=1&userQuery=plover+poultry+car&clickedItemURN=http
://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=FA0715FB355515738DDD
AF0894D1405B8685F0D3&title=Petroleum.&moduleId=matchingsites.jsp.M&clickedItemPageRanking=1&c
lickedItemPage=1&clickedItemDescription=WebResults)
POULTRY-ALIVE-One car of Michigan stock arrived to-day. ... woodcock,
75c@$l; English snipe and solden plover, per dozen, $1.75-$2; grass plover
?1.25@$1.50 ...
query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=FA0715FB... - 25k - _Similar pages_
(http://aolsearch.aol.com/aol/search?invocationType=similarPages.search&query=r
elated:query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=FA0715FB355515738DDDAF0894D1405
B8685F0D3&clickedItemPageDescription=similarPages)



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Re: Camel-Allen Door Hardware

Tom Madden <tgmadden@...>
 

Very nice image of an SP drop-bottom gon, but your box car image is
unavailable to those of us not registered on that forum. Could you post
the image to the Photos area here, perchance??

Tom Madden

For a picture and more go to Elvas Tower MSTS & Railfan Forums:
http://www.elvastower.com/forums/index.php?
showtopic=2620&st=0&#entry15738

Thanks for any info regarding this.

Tim Muir
Railroad Earth Models


Re: Glue for resin freight cars

tbarney2004
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "D. Port Jr." <hudson464@...> wrote:

Thanks Chuck,

I was starting to get tired of just looking at the boxes,so I thought I
should try and build one.

Could you tell me where I can find a "Wright-Clamp"? and also some
sanding
screens.

I will probably have more questions later.

Dan


it's actually the "right clamp" and made by coffman graphic solutions.

Website is http:&#92;&#92;www.coffmaneng.com

Phone: 859-527-0476

1500 River Circle Drive
Richmond, KY 40475-7907

They have an add in Jan '08 MR on page 12, bottom left column. They
make several sizes and styles (both right angle and straight)

prices in the ad range from about $21.50 to $37.50 depending on size
and type.


Tim Barney


Camel-Allen Door Hardware

np40txm1 <np40txm1@...>
 

I'm building a Texas & New Orleans B-50-13 boxcar set for Microsoft
Train Simulator. I've come to a point where all that's stopping me now
is the door hardware used on the Camel-Allen doors, specifically the
right-handed latch and door hangers that were used.

For a picture and more go to Elvas Tower MSTS & Railfan Forums:
http://www.elvastower.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=2620&st=0&#entry15738

Thanks for any info regarding this.

Tim Muir
Railroad Earth Models


Re: photographic print vs. scan

water.kresse@...
 

The latest six-color Epson printers, set up with three-shades of gray and special software, are used by photo groups up here in Michigan for competition. They have to declare their works as digital images to avoid charges of unfair advantages. Most of these folks start with digital images from their $3500 digital cameras with their old lenses . . . but others use good quality scans.

The scanned digital images usually need a little "tweaking" in Photoshop. Also, the closer you are to "the original" the better off you are.

Al Kresse

-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Jon Miller" <atsf@inow.com>
Ah, that explains it, members and non-members. Sure wish they said that
and then it wouldn't have confused this old brain like it did.
So the remaining question is could you get the scans printed at
Wal-Mart.
Also Bob prints from the neg so I'm guessing his quality is a bit better
than a scanned file. On top of that the amount of pictures available from
the NMRA is limited.

Jon Miller
AT&SF
For me time has stopped in 1941
Digitrax, Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI user
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Re: Atlas HO 1932 ARA Box Car Revisited

SUVCWORR@...
 

In a message dated 3/8/2008 8:19:18 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
bierglaeser@yahoo.com writes:

Does anyone know what the dimensions of 1932 ARA box cars might have
been?



The ARA test car was:
IL 40 6
IW 8 9
IH 9 4
EXT W 10 4
EXT HGT 14 5
TOP RUNNING BOARD 13 10
HGT AT EAVES 12 9
OVERALL LEN 41 8
CAP 3311

Rich Orr



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Re: photographic print vs. scan

Jon Miller <atsf@...>
 

Ah, that explains it, members and non-members. Sure wish they said that and then it wouldn't have confused this old brain like it did.
So the remaining question is could you get the scans printed at Wal-Mart.
Also Bob prints from the neg so I'm guessing his quality is a bit better than a scanned file. On top of that the amount of pictures available from the NMRA is limited.

Jon Miller
AT&SF
For me time has stopped in 1941
Digitrax, Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI user
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Re: Glue for Resin Caution

Bruce Smith
 

On Fri, March 7, 2008 7:36 pm, Jack Burgess wrote:
While many are concerned about CA hardening in the tube or bottle, that is
not my experience. As mentioned earlier, I use the fastest CA in the 1/4
oz
bottle with the Teflon tube. I don't cap the bottle and don't store it in
the refrigerator. However, mine stays fine for 6-9 months or more.

Jack Burgess
www.yosemitevalleyrr.com
Jack,

As I recall, you live in an area where, when the humidity gets up to 15%,
everyone says that they are drowning ;^) I live in an area where, when
the humidity drops to 50%, we all exclaim about how dry it is! My CA goes
bad in 6 months, like clockwork, regardless of the brand or container (I
have not tried storing it in dessicant yet though...)

Regards
Bruce

Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL

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