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Re: Proto 2000 Freight Car Parts

Mark
 

Contact Walthers they are pretty good about sending
replacements.

Mark Morgan



--- John Golden <golden1014@...> wrote:

Gentlemen,

I have one of the new Proto tank cars with K-brakes
http://www.walthers.com/exec/productinfo/920-54403
and
it showed up with a broken ladder. Does anyone know
how I can get a replacement? Thanks!

John



John Golden
Bloomington, IN

http://www.pbase.com/golden1014

http://s-clmodeler.aclsal.org/currentissue/s-clmodeler2008-1.pdf



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Re: Brake systems and rigging on stockcars and flatcars

Ernie <soueast@...>
 

I would like to take a minute to thank thoses who answered my
question. Not a one of you



--- In STMFC@..., "Ernie " <soueast@...> wrote:

I'm interested in the Brake system on flat and stock cars. Not
fifty
footers,but the seventy foot type that were used by traveling
shows.
Would they be the same as a fifty foot car?Only longer?
Some would say that I should go to a circus themed site,but I'm
already a CMB member. There is lot about the actual car but very
little on the underframe details. Upon seeing the great response to
posts on this site,thought someone might be able to shed some light
on
this.

Thanks
Ernie


Re: Decals for 70-Ton Convertible Ballast Cars

benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
 

Jim Young wrote:
"I believe CDS [out of Canada] is no longer in business except for in
stock only [maybe]"

Posted at TMR Distributing's website (Terry Link):
August 18th, 2005 - CDS announced that after 40 years of producing dry
transfers, they intend to retire from the business. They plan to sell
off inventory and may reprint high demand sets as needed over the next
year or so.

DO NOT PANIC - THERE IS A PLAN IN THE WORKS TO CONTINUE PRODUCING
THESE DRY TRANSFERS ONCE CDS DECIDES TO RETIRE COMPLETELY.


Ben Hom


Re: DWP/CN 40' DD cars, wasRe: McKEAN KIT - SOUTHERN 40-FT DOUBLE DOOR BOXCAR

Andy Carlson
 

Garth, Carl et all....
Don't forget the correct doors for the DWP car as pictured in the link are 5/6/5 tall pre-war Youngstown doors, not the post-war Y Doors supplied as molded on doors on the McKeen DD car.
-Andy

"Garth G. Groff" <ggg9y@...> wrote: Carl,

Well, if this car was rebuilt in the 1960s, it doesn't fit anywhere, at
least as far as this group is concerned.

In any case, the DWC car has a 4/4 early Dreadnaught end (rolling
pin-shaped wales. The McKeen/Accurail car has an R-3/4 late improved
Dreadnaught end (banana-shaped wales). You could probably chop the sides
from a McKeen car, mating them with correct ends and a diagonal panel
roof from Branchline. I did a similar conversion using interim R-3/4
Dreadnaught ends and a left-over diagonal panel Front Range roof
(Branchline would also work) to make a "Wabash-ed" 8000 series
double-door boxcar.

As far as I can see, the only real value of the McKeen kit is to
contribute its sides to a flat-kit conversion.

Kind regards,

Garth G. Groff

Carl J. Marsico wrote:

While on the topic of the McKean/Accurail 40' double door car (on STMFC), my brain eventually drifted to a similar prototype in DW&P's former CN cars, such as this:
>
> http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/misc-d/dwc581730ssa.jpg
>
> IIRC, CN had 40' cars built with both single and double door configurations, but also started rebuilding their 40' cars with 6' doors for newsprint (e.g. 8' SD, 9' PD, yellow doors) and lumber service (e.g. 12' DD, green doors) in the 60's. Where does this car fit in?
>
> CJM


Re: Decals for 70-Ton Convertible Ballast Cars

estcbq@...
 

I believe CDS[out of Canada] is no longer in business except for in stock only[maybe]--jim young

-----Original Message-----
From: gn3397 <heninger@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 11:57 am
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Decals for 70-Ton Convertible Ballast Cars






--- In STMFC@..., "gary laakso" <vasa0vasa@...> wrote:

I believe some have been produced for Northern Pacifc and Great
Northern, amoung others. Does anyone recall the maker?

gary laakso
south of Mike Brock
vasa0vasa@...


CDS produced a set for the as-built lettering for the GN cars, built
1953 by ACF.

Sincerely,
Robert D. Heninger
Stanley, ND


Re: Decals for 70-Ton Convertible Ballast Cars

John <jrmonrad@...>
 

Portland Car & Foundry <http://www.greatdecals.com/Portland.htm> lists
them for GN and NP: set 100-80-7055 for GN, set 100-80-7060 for NP.

John Monrad


Re: Decals for 70-Ton Convertible Ballast Cars

gn3397 <heninger@...>
 

--- In STMFC@..., "gary laakso" <vasa0vasa@...> wrote:

I believe some have been produced for Northern Pacifc and Great
Northern, amoung others. Does anyone recall the maker?

gary laakso
south of Mike Brock
vasa0vasa@...

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
CDS produced a set for the as-built lettering for the GN cars, built
1953 by ACF.

Sincerely,
Robert D. Heninger
Stanley, ND


Re: DWP/CN 40' DD cars, wasRe: McKEAN KIT - SOUTHERN 40-FT DOUBLE DOOR BOXCAR

Carl J. Marsico <Carlmarsico@...>
 

Wow-thanks for the comprehensive answer!

CJM

Ian Cranstone <lamontc@...> wrote:
On 21-Mar-08, at 2:07 PM, Carl J. Marsico wrote:
While on the topic of the McKean/Accurail 40' double door car (on
STMFC), my brain eventually drifted to a similar prototype in
DW&P's former CN cars, such as this:

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/misc-d/dwc581730ssa.jpg

IIRC, CN had 40' cars built with both single and double door
configurations, but also started rebuilding their 40' cars with 6'
doors for newsprint (e.g. 8' SD, 9' PD, yellow doors) and lumber
service (e.g. 12' DD, green doors) in the 60's. Where does this car
fit in?
I've been slowly working on an article for CN LINES on this very
topic, and maybe one of these years I'll get around to finishing it.
The essential thing to know when talking about CN 40' steel boxcars
(which were the source for all of the DWC cars) is this:

If it has a 6' or 8' single door, or double doors of 15', it was
built that way (there were a handful of exceptions that received 8'
doors in place of their 6' doors in the early 1960s, but these were
not repeated).

If it has 9' doors (sliding or plug), or double doors of 12' or
combination sliding/plug doors of 15', it is a 1960s/1970s rebuild.
One suspects that the 12' opening came about because of all the extra
6' doors that would have been removed from the cars getting 9' doors.

So to get back to the original question, this DWC car is a former CN
car that has had an auxiliary 6' door added to create a 12' door
opening -- apparently at CN's Pointe St. Charles shops in Montreal
(HQ) in October 1972. The source car for this prototype would have
been drawn from the CN 522500-523999 series (Canadian Car & Foundry),
and this particular car was renumbered CN 581730 in September 1977.

The Accurail car is probably only a stand-in for these Canadian-built
prototypes (I haven't compared roofs & ends), but the addition of
some Canadian 8-rung ladders, and end sill steps would make it
acceptable for many.

Ian Cranstone
Osgoode, Ontario, Canada
lamontc@...
http://freightcars.nakina.net
http://siberians.nakina.net


Re: DWP/CN 40' DD cars, wasRe: McKEAN KIT - SOUTHERN 40-FT DOUBLE DOOR BOXCAR

Ian Cranstone
 

On 21-Mar-08, at 2:07 PM, Carl J. Marsico wrote:
While on the topic of the McKean/Accurail 40' double door car (on STMFC), my brain eventually drifted to a similar prototype in DW&P's former CN cars, such as this:

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/misc-d/dwc581730ssa.jpg

IIRC, CN had 40' cars built with both single and double door configurations, but also started rebuilding their 40' cars with 6' doors for newsprint (e.g. 8' SD, 9' PD, yellow doors) and lumber service (e.g. 12' DD, green doors) in the 60's. Where does this car fit in?
I've been slowly working on an article for CN LINES on this very topic, and maybe one of these years I'll get around to finishing it. The essential thing to know when talking about CN 40' steel boxcars (which were the source for all of the DWC cars) is this:

If it has a 6' or 8' single door, or double doors of 15', it was built that way (there were a handful of exceptions that received 8' doors in place of their 6' doors in the early 1960s, but these were not repeated).

If it has 9' doors (sliding or plug), or double doors of 12' or combination sliding/plug doors of 15', it is a 1960s/1970s rebuild. One suspects that the 12' opening came about because of all the extra 6' doors that would have been removed from the cars getting 9' doors.

So to get back to the original question, this DWC car is a former CN car that has had an auxiliary 6' door added to create a 12' door opening -- apparently at CN's Pointe St. Charles shops in Montreal (HQ) in October 1972. The source car for this prototype would have been drawn from the CN 522500-523999 series (Canadian Car & Foundry), and this particular car was renumbered CN 581730 in September 1977.

The Accurail car is probably only a stand-in for these Canadian-built prototypes (I haven't compared roofs & ends), but the addition of some Canadian 8-rung ladders, and end sill steps would make it acceptable for many.

Ian Cranstone
Osgoode, Ontario, Canada
lamontc@...
http://freightcars.nakina.net
http://siberians.nakina.net


Decals for 70-Ton Convertible Ballast Cars

gary laakso
 

I believe some have been produced for Northern Pacifc and Great Northern, amoung others. Does anyone recall the maker?

gary laakso
south of Mike Brock
vasa0vasa@...


Re: DWP/CN 40' DD cars, wasRe: McKEAN KIT - SOUTHERN 40-FT DOUBLE DOOR BOXCAR

Carl J. Marsico <Carlmarsico@...>
 

Garth,

Just for clarification, I'm trying to determine whether this car is in its original configuration, e.g. former double door auto service car reassigned to lumber service vs. a 60's era rebuild from a single door car.

The modern DWP (and subsequently back to CN) version of this car just happens to be the only CN-family car I know of offhand that has the "flavor" (for lack of a better word) of the McKean/Accurail car, and I'm trying to determine whether a CN steam-era counterpart of this car even exists.

I also have one of these McKean cars squirreled away and am investigating the options out there...

CJM

"Garth G. Groff" <ggg9y@...> wrote:
Carl,

Well, if this car was rebuilt in the 1960s, it doesn't fit anywhere, at
least as far as this group is concerned.

In any case, the DWC car has a 4/4 early Dreadnaught end (rolling
pin-shaped wales. The McKeen/Accurail car has an R-3/4 late improved
Dreadnaught end (banana-shaped wales). You could probably chop the sides
from a McKeen car, mating them with correct ends and a diagonal panel
roof from Branchline. I did a similar conversion using interim R-3/4
Dreadnaught ends and a left-over diagonal panel Front Range roof
(Branchline would also work) to make a "Wabash-ed" 8000 series
double-door boxcar.

As far as I can see, the only real value of the McKeen kit is to
contribute its sides to a flat-kit conversion.

Kind regards,

Garth G. Groff

Carl J. Marsico wrote:

While on the topic of the McKean/Accurail 40' double door car (on STMFC), my brain eventually drifted to a similar prototype in DW&P's former CN cars, such as this:

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/misc-d/dwc581730ssa.jpg

IIRC, CN had 40' cars built with both single and double door configurations, but also started rebuilding their 40' cars with 6' doors for newsprint (e.g. 8' SD, 9' PD, yellow doors) and lumber service (e.g. 12' DD, green doors) in the 60's. Where does this car fit in?

CJM


Re: DWP/CN 40' DD cars, wasRe: McKEAN KIT - SOUTHERN 40-FT DOUBLE DOOR BOXCAR

Garth G. Groff <ggg9y@...>
 

Carl,

Well, if this car was rebuilt in the 1960s, it doesn't fit anywhere, at least as far as this group is concerned.

In any case, the DWC car has a 4/4 early Dreadnaught end (rolling pin-shaped wales. The McKeen/Accurail car has an R-3/4 late improved Dreadnaught end (banana-shaped wales). You could probably chop the sides from a McKeen car, mating them with correct ends and a diagonal panel roof from Branchline. I did a similar conversion using interim R-3/4 Dreadnaught ends and a left-over diagonal panel Front Range roof (Branchline would also work) to make a "Wabash-ed" 8000 series double-door boxcar.

As far as I can see, the only real value of the McKeen kit is to contribute its sides to a flat-kit conversion.

Kind regards,


Garth G. Groff

Carl J. Marsico wrote:

While on the topic of the McKean/Accurail 40' double door car (on STMFC), my brain eventually drifted to a similar prototype in DW&P's former CN cars, such as this:
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/misc-d/dwc581730ssa.jpg
IIRC, CN had 40' cars built with both single and double door configurations, but also started rebuilding their 40' cars with 6' doors for newsprint (e.g. 8' SD, 9' PD, yellow doors) and lumber service (e.g. 12' DD, green doors) in the 60's. Where does this car fit in?
CJM


Re: Proto 2000 Freight Car Parts

Gene Green <bierglaeser@...>
 

John,
I contacted Walthers once by email and once by phone to get
replacement parts for a building (email) and stock car kit (phone).
Both times the arts came quickly and gratis. When I phoned I offered
to pay because I lost the the part through no fault of Walthers.
They refused to accept payment.
Gene Green

--- In STMFC@..., John Golden <golden1014@...> wrote:

Gentlemen,

I have one of the new Proto tank cars with K-brakes
http://www.walthers.com/exec/productinfo/920-54403 and
it showed up with a broken ladder. Does anyone know
how I can get a replacement? Thanks!

John



John Golden
Bloomington, IN

http://www.pbase.com/golden1014
http://s-clmodeler.aclsal.org/currentissue/s-clmodeler2008-1.pdf


Re: Southern36' SU box cars

Frank Greene
 

by: "fiddlertrain"
Did any of them have wood ends or did all of them have Hutchens metal ends? by: "Dave & Donna Johnson" I am looking for a set of the plans and other modeling info for these cars
so that I can build a 1/8 in. scale model.
The SRHA has copies of "Southern Rails" No. 22, Fall 1988, which contains Al Westerfield's plans for the various versions of the SU: http://www.srha.net/public/grab/item_detail.asp?id=114

--

Frank Greene
Memphis, TN


DWP/CN 40' DD cars, wasRe: McKEAN KIT - SOUTHERN 40-FT DOUBLE DOOR BOXCAR

Carl J. Marsico <Carlmarsico@...>
 

While on the topic of the McKean/Accurail 40' double door car (on STMFC), my brain eventually drifted to a similar prototype in DW&P's former CN cars, such as this:

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/misc-d/dwc581730ssa.jpg

IIRC, CN had 40' cars built with both single and double door configurations, but also started rebuilding their 40' cars with 6' doors for newsprint (e.g. 8' SD, 9' PD, yellow doors) and lumber service (e.g. 12' DD, green doors) in the 60's. Where does this car fit in?

CJM


Re: McKEAN KIT - SOUTHERN 40-FT DOUBLE DOOR BOXCAR

Carl J. Marsico <Carlmarsico@...>
 

Ben,

Thanks for the tip. Good to see I could use make use of a spare McKean underframe by "upgrading" my Accurail GN car, and subsequently, having a spare Accurail underframe for future use. Good thing I never throw anything away, although my wife would contest that...

CJM

benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...> wrote:
Carl Marsico wrote:
"If you decide to keep this model, a new Accurail underframe would be
a worthwhile investment."

Not if you plan on doing the GN cars. The McKean underframe is more
accurate for those prototypes.

Ben Hom


Re: McKEAN KIT - SOUTHERN 40-FT DOUBLE DOOR BOXCAR

William Keene <wakeene@...>
 

Hello Group,

Thanks to all for their kind and prompt replies.

-- Bill Keene
Irvine, CA

On Mar 21, 2008, at 9:56 AM, Carl J. Marsico wrote:

The McKean (now Accurail) model is mostly based on this GN prototype:

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/gn/gn-xm3582ajs.jpg

Wabash had similar cars also, but I can't recall the number series
offhand (which makes it hard to find links to pictures, naturally)

If you aren't up for repainting, Accurail has done this car in both
roadnames, and 5th Ave Car Shops has also issued a run of Accurail
cars in Wabash, too.

Re: painting, lettering, and numbering, it wouldn't surprise me if
they are out of left field, even if there is a match to a Southern
prototype. If you decide to keep this model, a new Accurail
underframe would be a worthwhile investment.

CJM

billkeene2004 <wakeene@...> wrote:
Hello Group,

This past week I was again digging in the far dark recesses of the
storage cabinet and
uncovered the following kit:

McKEAN, #302, SOUTHERN RAILWAY, 40-foot double door boxcar. The
model is painted and
lettered (and not yet assembled) and carries number 271916. Also, at
least to me, the
lettering looks suspect in both style and font. It is also poorly
rendered on the model.

Perhaps someone can answer the following questions...
- Is this model accurate or a bogus offering?
- if somewhat accurate, then please point me to photos of this car.
I have not yet found any
on the net yet.

Thanks,
-- Bill Keene
Irvine, CA





Proto 2000 Freight Car Parts

golden1014
 

Gentlemen,

I have one of the new Proto tank cars with K-brakes
http://www.walthers.com/exec/productinfo/920-54403 and
it showed up with a broken ladder. Does anyone know
how I can get a replacement? Thanks!

John



John Golden
Bloomington, IN

http://www.pbase.com/golden1014
http://s-clmodeler.aclsal.org/currentissue/s-clmodeler2008-1.pdf


Re: McKEAN KIT - SOUTHERN 40-FT DOUBLE DOOR BOXCAR

benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
 

Carl Marsico wrote:
"If you decide to keep this model, a new Accurail underframe would be
a worthwhile investment."

Not if you plan on doing the GN cars. The McKean underframe is more
accurate for those prototypes.

Ben Hom


Re: McKEAN KIT - SOUTHERN 40-FT DOUBLE DOOR BOXCAR

Carl J. Marsico <Carlmarsico@...>
 

The McKean (now Accurail) model is mostly based on this GN prototype:

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/gn/gn-xm3582ajs.jpg

Wabash had similar cars also, but I can't recall the number series offhand (which makes it hard to find links to pictures, naturally)

If you aren't up for repainting, Accurail has done this car in both roadnames, and 5th Ave Car Shops has also issued a run of Accurail cars in Wabash, too.

Re: painting, lettering, and numbering, it wouldn't surprise me if they are out of left field, even if there is a match to a Southern prototype. If you decide to keep this model, a new Accurail underframe would be a worthwhile investment.

CJM

billkeene2004 <wakeene@...> wrote:
Hello Group,

This past week I was again digging in the far dark recesses of the storage cabinet and
uncovered the following kit:

McKEAN, #302, SOUTHERN RAILWAY, 40-foot double door boxcar. The model is painted and
lettered (and not yet assembled) and carries number 271916. Also, at least to me, the
lettering looks suspect in both style and font. It is also poorly rendered on the model.

Perhaps someone can answer the following questions...
- Is this model accurate or a bogus offering?
- if somewhat accurate, then please point me to photos of this car. I have not yet found any
on the net yet.

Thanks,
-- Bill Keene
Irvine, CA

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