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Re: M4 flat car loads - was CCB photo

Kurt Laughlin <fleeta@...>
 

As mentioned by Pieter, the Soviets did not use the red star as a national marking. The only foreign markings I've ever seen on a stateside tank were the British serials, T-xxxxxx.

Most of the equipment given to the French was delivered from US stocks in-theater, so it would not have any markings either.

KL

----- Original Message -----
From: Dennis Storzek
Dad had a copy of an official panoramic view of Nome Field (officially
Marks Field, but Dad said he never heard anyone call it that). The
photo was taken sometime in early 1944. Out of the three dozen or so
aircraft visible, at least thirty have red star insignia, discernable
even in the black & white photo.

I wonder if the same was done with armor?


Re: Request for photos of AC&F Type 11 tank cars

water.kresse@...
 

I have no idea what these older tank cars look like, but the C&O and PM purchased older, single-dome tank cars for fuel cars for refueling their new diesels locomotives. Many lost their their trucks and were dropped on cinder blocks. Doesn't help you with paint schemes.

Al Kresse

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From: "Brian J Carlson" <brian@...>
On Thu, 17 Apr 2008 16:35:52 EDT, madchemep2 wrote
Hundreds of pictures
of major owners as well as private owners. One of the best books
on the subject. Excuse the plug for the book. Al Campbell
AL, You are correct, it is a great book, the problem for us later modelers
is most of the Type 11 shots are Builder's photo's from the teens. Not much
use to use later 30's 40's and 50's modelers. I'm looking for in service
shots from the 50's myself. Besides the obvious on line TM8 car.

Brian Carlson


Re: Buyer Beware: InterMountain Milwaukee Road Rib-Side Box Car

Larry Jackman <Ljack70117@...>
 

Thank you
Larry Jackman
ljack70117@...
Boca Raton FL 33434
I was born with nothing and
I have most of it left.



On Apr 17, 2008, at 2:52 PM, Charlie Vlk wrote:

Larry-
The wording of the statement was not that the tooling could not be run..... it was that the person who
created the tooling had no "production outlet" for the product.
And I told you how to get an outlet.
The rest of what you say has nothing to do with your statement.



There have been a number of such situations that have arisen over the years. A couple of locomotive
projects, for example, have been "done on speculation" and then the factory shopped around for an
importer interested in importing the product.
As has been suggested, things of this nature don't always work out for the best.
My theory is that a company needs somebody who a champion for a project. The best products
have an air about them that reeks of somebody's interest and passion in the item.
You can have all the development and production resources in place, but without a spark the product will be
lacking and sometimes, have fatal flaws.
It is hard enough to bring together all the players in the development of a product; without personal interest in
it, it is doubly so.
Charlie Vlk




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Re: Request for photos of AC&F Type 11 tank cars

Brian J Carlson <brian@...>
 

On Thu, 17 Apr 2008 16:35:52 EDT, madchemep2 wrote
Hundreds of pictures
of major owners as well as private owners. One of the best books
on the subject. Excuse the plug for the book. Al Campbell
AL, You are correct, it is a great book, the problem for us later modelers
is most of the Type 11 shots are Builder's photo's from the teens. Not much
use to use later 30's 40's and 50's modelers. I'm looking for in service
shots from the 50's myself. Besides the obvious on line TM8 car.

Brian Carlson


Stockcar...L&N?

gary laakso
 

The book Trackside Around Louisville (East) at page 61 has a pix of an L&N 2-8-0 and in the foreground is a roof of a stock car with the wood on the roof set parallel with the running boards. No lettering can be seen on the stockcar. Is it an L&N stockcar? The wood roof is only 6 boards wide to the roof walk, so it used expensive lumber!
The L&N auxiliary tender is designed as a covered hopper look alike!


gary laakso
south of Mike Brock
vasa0vasa@...


Re: Buyer Beware: InterMountain Milwaukee Road Rib-Side Box Car

Charlie Vlk
 

Marty-
The N Scale car has not been released..... AFAIK it hasn't been hinted at..... and
the N Scale Milk Car, N Scale ATSF Stock Car, N Scale ATSF Modernized Waycar, and N Scale Cab Forward
would be in line before it if the projects are taken in order of announcement / public disclosure.
Charlie Vlk

----- Original Message -----
From: cvsne
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 1:19 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Buyer Beware: InterMountain Milwaukee Road Rib-Side Box Car


Bill

This was an Intermountain project. We did some information/drawing
gathering when I was still working there. The plan was to cut the car
in N scale first and then release it in HO. Not sure if the N scale
car was ever released - or even started.

Marty


Re: Buyer Beware: InterMountain Milwaukee Road Rib-Side Box Car

Charlie Vlk
 

Larry-
The wording of the statement was not that the tooling could not be run..... it was that the person who
created the tooling had no "production outlet" for the product.
There have been a number of such situations that have arisen over the years. A couple of locomotive
projects, for example, have been "done on speculation" and then the factory shopped around for an
importer interested in importing the product.
As has been suggested, things of this nature don't always work out for the best.
My theory is that a company needs somebody who a champion for a project. The best products
have an air about them that reeks of somebody's interest and passion in the item.
You can have all the development and production resources in place, but without a spark the product will be
lacking and sometimes, have fatal flaws.
It is hard enough to bring together all the players in the development of a product; without personal interest in
it, it is doubly so.
Charlie Vlk


looks like poppy seeds/tiny taconite look alikes

ed_mines
 

A physical therapist gave me an ankle weight that was leaking very
small lead pellets that look just like poppy seeds.

Apparently these weights wear out eventually when the seams start
undoing.

Ed


Re: Buyer Beware: InterMountain Milwaukee Road Rib-Side Box Car

water.kresse@...
 

YES! Has Tom provided a general discussion of the C&O's freight business? If so foreward it to me.

-------------- Original message --------------
From: "lnbill" <bwelch@...>
I understand what you are saying Larry, but I guess I was thinking it
might require capital to do that.

I am admittedly still frustrated with the poor job IM did with their
woodsheathed reefer, so my thinking may be clouded about IM.

Bill Welch


Re: Buyer Beware: InterMountain Milwaukee Road Rib-Side Box Car

cvsne <mjmcguirk@...>
 

Bill

This was an Intermountain project. We did some information/drawing
gathering when I was still working there. The plan was to cut the car
in N scale first and then release it in HO. Not sure if the N scale
car was ever released - or even started.

Marty


Re: Buyer Beware: InterMountain Milwaukee Road Rib-Side Box Car

Larry Jackman <Ljack70117@...>
 

When I was Smokey Valley I had no trouble with money as my banker would loan me some when I needed some.
Thank you
Larry Jackman
ljack70117@...
Boca Raton FL 33434
I was born with nothing and
I have most of it left.

On Apr 17, 2008, at 2:02 PM, lnbill wrote:

I understand what you are saying Larry, but I guess I was thinking it
might require capital to do that.

I am admittedly still frustrated with the poor job IM did with their
woodsheathed reefer, so my thinking may be clouded about IM.

Bill Welch


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Re: Buyer Beware: InterMountain Milwaukee Road Rib-Side Box Car

lnbill <bwelch@...>
 

I understand what you are saying Larry, but I guess I was thinking it
might require capital to do that.

I am admittedly still frustrated with the poor job IM did with their
woodsheathed reefer, so my thinking may be clouded about IM.

Bill Welch


Re: Buyer Beware: InterMountain Milwaukee Road Rib-Side Box Car

Larry Jackman <Ljack70117@...>
 

There is no such thing as cutting a mold and having no production outlet to run it. You cut a mold then look in your phone book under plastic. Almost any shop listed will run it for you. Then you can look under printers and get any king of packaging you want. Then you can package it yourself or hire some soccer moms to do it for you.
Thank you
Larry Jackman
ljack70117@...
Boca Raton FL 33434
My parents did not raise
any stupid children. They
sent the ten of us to the
neighbors to play and then
moved. They raised the four
of us that found them.

On Apr 17, 2008, at 12:35 PM, lnbill wrote:

Was this car actually cut/tooled by IM or are they using dies cut by
someone else? Seems like I have been hearing about some things like
this car, B&O Wagon, etc top that have been around for a couple of
years that were cut by someone with no production outlet/capacity.

Hope I am not starting another rumor, but only continuing one.

Bill Welch

Bill Welch


Re: Buyer Beware: R-T-R in general, was InterMountain Milwaukee Road Rib-Side Box Car

Carl J. Marsico <Carlmarsico@...>
 

I don't know if I'd take it that far, as "old Athearn blue box" was cheap and available when you wanted it. You could get a good look at it before purchasing, or even worse, preordering it. If they did it right and you missed it, there were always other chances to get it. If you bought a foobie, you're only out a few bucks on something that you don't have to worry about disassembling just to strip the paint, modify/detail, and reassemble. Definitely a good example of "One Step Forward, Two Steps Backward"

CJM

Brian Paul Ehni <behni@...> wrote:
Sounds like IM has gone from meticulous well-made product to what can only
be described as old Athearn blue box. This goes hand-in-hand with the
egregious errors made in colors on various locomotive and rolling stock
offerings.
--
Thanks!

Brian Ehni

From: gn3397 <heninger@...>
Reply-To: <STMFC@...>
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 16:16:20 -0000
To: <STMFC@...>
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Buyer Beware: InterMountain Milwaukee Road Rib-Side Box
Car

--- In STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> , Ed Hawkins
<hawk0621@...> wrote:

STMFC Discussion Group,
In case any STMFC members were considering buying any of the new
Milwaukee Road postwar rib-side box cars produced by InterMountain,
you
should be aware that the model is royally screwed up and unfixable.
It is unfortunate that these errors were made, especially as MILW
ribside car photos and plans aren't rare. A review of the test shots of
the GN plywood side boxcar also reveal some egregious deficiencies,
again confusing, because photos of these cars aren't rare. IM is
supposed to be fixing them, but we will see. Makes me wonder what the
covered hopper will look like.

Sincerely,
Robert D. Heninger
Stanley, ND


Re: Buyer Beware: InterMountain Milwaukee Road Rib-Side Box Car

Gatwood, Elden J SAD <Elden.J.Gatwood@...>
 

Thanks, Ed!



________________________________

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Ed
Hawkins
Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 11:41 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Buyer Beware: InterMountain Milwaukee Road Rib-Side Box
Car




On Apr 17, 2008, at 10:10 AM, Gatwood, Elden J SAD wrote:

With all that being said, what is YOUR current vote for the best (not
perfect) MILW ribside in HO?
Elden,
The Sunshine kit #41. Of course, this is only one version of the many
versions that were built.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


Re: Buyer Beware: InterMountain Milwaukee Road Rib-Side Box Car

Charlie Vlk
 

One of the dangers of having email displayed with the most recent on top is I can respond to a partial comment
that doesn't reveal the depth of discussion that went on previously.
In this case I didn't know that the IM MILW car is out and has been gone over by experts.
I think this is just a case where IM screwed up, not some covert acquisition of tooling. They have in-house tool and die people and
some previous products have had errors (as almost all commerical products do). Hopefully they will use that capability
to fix the errors and will listen to opinions on some of the other issues (construction methods, coupler boxes).
Charlie Vlk


Re: Buyer Beware: InterMountain Milwaukee Road Rib-Side Box Car

benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
 

Jon Miller asked:
"Where did the understanding of the hobby (their sales) go????"

He moved inside the Beltway and went back to working for the Navy.


Ben Hom


Re: Buyer Beware: InterMountain Milwaukee Road Rib-Side Box Car

Brian Paul Ehni <behni@...>
 

Sounds like IM has gone from meticulous well-made product to what can only
be described as old Athearn blue box. This goes hand-in-hand with the
egregious errors made in colors on various locomotive and rolling stock
offerings.
--
Thanks!

Brian Ehni



From: gn3397 <heninger@...>
Reply-To: <STMFC@...>
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 16:16:20 -0000
To: <STMFC@...>
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Buyer Beware: InterMountain Milwaukee Road Rib-Side Box
Car




--- In STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> , Ed Hawkins
<hawk0621@...> wrote:

STMFC Discussion Group,
In case any STMFC members were considering buying any of the new
Milwaukee Road postwar rib-side box cars produced by InterMountain,
you
should be aware that the model is royally screwed up and unfixable.
It is unfortunate that these errors were made, especially as MILW
ribside car photos and plans aren't rare. A review of the test shots of
the GN plywood side boxcar also reveal some egregious deficiencies,
again confusing, because photos of these cars aren't rare. IM is
supposed to be fixing them, but we will see. Makes me wonder what the
covered hopper will look like.

Sincerely,
Robert D. Heninger
Stanley, ND


Re: Buyer Beware: InterMountain Milwaukee Road Rib-Side Box Car

Carl J. Marsico <Carlmarsico@...>
 

It seems like the "understanding" is "throw on a bunch of stand-alone details, add DCC and sound (if applicable), and no matter how FUBAR the end result is, it will sell"

Jon Miller <atsf@...> wrote: All this and they won't even sell kits for the ATSF Caswell. I even
asked if they would put a dozen kits/sprues in a sack and quote me a price.
No response.
And to keep the gripe going I saw pictures of test shots of the (HO) FTs
a couple of years ago. Very nice but will they paint them in freight
colors, no, just another bunch of Warbonnets.
Where did the understanding of the hobby (their sales) go????

Jon Miller
AT&SF
For me time has stopped in 1941
Digitrax, Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI user
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Re: Buyer Beware: InterMountain Milwaukee Road Rib-Side Box Car

Carl J. Marsico <Carlmarsico@...>
 

Given the separate floor (vs. separate roof), it could be the case that these are in fact someone else's work.

If so, they still could (and should) inspect the dies before purchase and make a reasonable determination whether the dies could be purchased and upgraded/corrected in a cost-efficient manner.

CJM

lnbill <bwelch@...> wrote:
Was this car actually cut/tooled by IM or are they using dies cut by
someone else? Seems like I have been hearing about some things like
this car, B&O Wagon, etc top that have been around for a couple of
years that were cut by someone with no production outlet/capacity.

Hope I am not starting another rumor, but only continuing one.

Bill Welch

Bill Welch

--- In STMFC@..., "gn3397" <heninger@...> wrote:

--- In STMFC@..., Ed Hawkins <hawk0621@> wrote:

STMFC Discussion Group,
In case any STMFC members were considering buying any of the new
Milwaukee Road postwar rib-side box cars produced by
InterMountain,
you
should be aware that the model is royally screwed up and
unfixable.

It is unfortunate that these errors were made, especially as MILW
ribside car photos and plans aren't rare. A review of the test
shots of
the GN plywood side boxcar also reveal some egregious
deficiencies,
again confusing, because photos of these cars aren't rare. IM is
supposed to be fixing them, but we will see. Makes me wonder what
the
covered hopper will look like.


Sincerely,
Robert D. Heninger
Stanley, ND

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