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Re: Buyer Beware: InterMountain Milwaukee Road Rib-Side Box Car

Ed Hawkins
 

On Apr 17, 2008, at 7:55 PM, Richard Hendrickson wrote:

've waited to comment on Ed's post until I saw the actual model, not
just photos of test shots. As it happens, the RTR model I ordered
arrived in today's mail, so I am now in a position to say with
confidence that Ed's observations are entirely correct (not that I
ever doubted them). This model is a $30+shipping unqualified
disaster.
Richard,
The scans I shared with you and Jerry Stewart earlier this week were
not just test shots, but parts from an undecorated production kit that
I had just received. I can only wish they would have been test shots
sent to me BEFORE the decision was made to go into production, so that
tooling modifications could have been made to eliminate the errors and
before production painted/lettered/assembled models were released to
dealers. This is an instant replay of the R-40-10 PFE reefer fiasco!
Maybe the next thing we'll see from IM is a new and improved version of
the Milwaukee Road box car model with the price hiked up and called a
"Premium Line" kit.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


Re: Buyer Beware: InterMountain Milwaukee Road Rib-Side Box Car

Greg Martin
 

Marty writes:

"Bill

This was an Intermountain project. We did some information/This was an
Intermountain project. We did some information/<WBR>drawing gathering when I was
still working there. The plan was to cut the car in N scale first and then
release it in HO. Not s

Marty"


Marty,

So if you are correct and IM cut the dies in house are you saying Chris
Clune's tooling still may have a chance?

Greg Martin









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Re: Buyer Beware: InterMountain Milwaukee Road Rib-Side Box Car

gn3397 <heninger@...>
 

--- In STMFC@..., destron@... wrote:


On the subject of ribside cars... I've had one good review of the cars
from Ribside Cars. Wondering if anyone could give their opinions of it?

Thanks.

Frank Valoczy
Vancouver, BC
Frank,
I have a couple of the double door cars, and the main shortcoming seems to be the
underframe, which is lacking detail. The body casting and roof are very nice, and seem to
be accurate. The (thankfully) separately molded details are overly thick, but will be easily
replaced. Also, I believe most if not all of these cars were equipped with Barber S-2
trucks, available from Branchline. In short, they seem to be a good basic shell that can be
improved into very nice models. See Richard Hendrickson's articles in the 12/04 and 3/06
RMJ for more information.

Sincerely,
Robert D. Heninger
Stanley, ND


Re: Buyer Beware: InterMountain Milwaukee Road Rib-Side Box Car

destron@...
 

On the subject of ribside cars... I've had one good review of the cars
from Ribside Cars. Wondering if anyone could give their opinions of it?

Thanks.

Frank Valoczy
Vancouver, BC

Sounds like IRC mailed a picture of a car to China and said
"make it look like this"...

One can always hope they'll fix it. It was Mr. Hawkins who
saved us all from the infamous 41'6" Branchline box cars after
all, just because he decided to use an etched running board...

Tim O'Connor


Was this car actually cut/tooled by IM or are they using dies cut by
someone else? Seems like I have been hearing about some things like
this car, B&O Wagon, etc top that have been around for a couple of
years that were cut by someone with no production outlet/capacity.
Hope I am not starting another rumor, but only continuing one.
Bill Welch

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Re: Buyer Beware: InterMountain Milwaukee Road Rib-Side Box Car

Tim O'Connor
 

Sounds like IRC mailed a picture of a car to China and said
"make it look like this"...

One can always hope they'll fix it. It was Mr. Hawkins who
saved us all from the infamous 41'6" Branchline box cars after
all, just because he decided to use an etched running board...

Tim O'Connor

Was this car actually cut/tooled by IM or are they using dies cut by
someone else? Seems like I have been hearing about some things like
this car, B&O Wagon, etc top that have been around for a couple of
years that were cut by someone with no production outlet/capacity.
Hope I am not starting another rumor, but only continuing one.
Bill Welch


Re: Buyer Beware: InterMountain Milwaukee Road Rib-Side Box Car

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Apr 17, 2008, at 7:10 AM, Ed Hawkins wrote:

STMFC Discussion Group,
In case any STMFC members were considering buying any of the new
Milwaukee Road postwar rib-side box cars produced by InterMountain,
you
should be aware that the model is royally screwed up and unfixable.
The
sides have a couple of deficiencies, and the ends and roof are simply
awful. In addition to InterMountain's apparent inability to interpret
plans and photographs, they also didn't bother to understand the body
of these cars were all welded. They actually went to extra work to add
a row of rivets on the sides of the roof eaves where there should
be no
rivets present. I'm posting this message so that potential buyers are
made aware of major shortcomings with the model.












I've waited to comment on Ed's post until I saw the actual model, not
just photos of test shots. As it happens, the RTR model I ordered
arrived in today's mail, so I am now in a position to say with
confidence that Ed's observations are entirely correct (not that I
ever doubted them). This model is a $30+shipping unqualified
disaster. I will no longer order new IMC freight car models sight
unseen. The serious problems with this model, together with the
shortcomings previously noted in the GN plywood side box cars and
FGEX reefers, demonstrate that, at present, IMC cannot be counted on
to do anything right. After I've studied the MILW box car model more
closely, I may find that it can be salvaged (or I may not), but even
if it can be saved it will require a whole lot of work and some
careful paint matching. Disappointing doesn't even begin to cover it.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: M4 flat car loads - was CCB photo

Kurt Laughlin <fleeta@...>
 

Where is the picture? A DD tank is quite obvious even under a tarp.

One thing about secure shipments, though, you don't draw attention to them by posting a sign saying "The object underneath this tarp is TOP SECRET" . . .

KL

----- Original Message -----
From: Bruce Smith
I have seen one photo of tarp covered vehicles. The tarp is
stenciled "M4" and "Front", the vehicle under the tarp appears to be
a tank, but the proportions seem wrong for an M4, the flat car has a
repack stencil of 1942, there are several additional tarped tanks,
one per flat visible, and each has a stake with a placard in an
adjacent stake pocket. The following is completely speculative, but
I am suspicious that these MIGHT be something like the Duplex Drive
Shermans, which would have been a high security cargo. The placard
might be a security warning...


Re: M4 flat car loads - was CCB photo

Kurt Laughlin <fleeta@...>
 

It's really a mistake to use the word "choice" when talking about USMC armor. They used what they were given, which was what the Army didn't want. When gas-powered M4A3s were available later in the war they took them instead.

KL

----- Original Message -----
From: Gatwood, Elden J SAD

The M4A2 was also the model of choice with the USMC, who rationalized fuel
shipments on diesel since their landing craft were thus equipped. That is
why you see many M4A2 going west, in contrast with M4A3 mostly going east.


RW&O

Justin Kahn
 

Dear Joel
The only full treatment of the RW&O I know--and it is largely an historical one--is the classic Hungerford from about 1922. They show up from time to time (one of the benefits of ebay), although never cheap. A good price for a copy is $50. It is possible the NYCRRHS may have had some detailed treatment of that part of the line in an issue of their Headlight publication.

Jace Kahn, General Manager
Ceres and Canisteo RR Co.


I hope this isnt to off subject( and if so please direct to a NYC fan
you may know)Im looking for a history of the Rome-Watertown &
Ogdensburg RR which became part of the NYC,my focus interest in the RWO
is the RWO line to Cape Vincent that started at Watertown NY....hope
you can help...off line please if this is off subject....
Joel Norman

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Re: M4 flat car loads - was CCB photo

Kurt Laughlin <fleeta@...>
 

As mentioned by Pieter, the Soviets did not use the red star as a national marking. The only foreign markings I've ever seen on a stateside tank were the British serials, T-xxxxxx.

Most of the equipment given to the French was delivered from US stocks in-theater, so it would not have any markings either.

KL

----- Original Message -----
From: Dennis Storzek
Dad had a copy of an official panoramic view of Nome Field (officially
Marks Field, but Dad said he never heard anyone call it that). The
photo was taken sometime in early 1944. Out of the three dozen or so
aircraft visible, at least thirty have red star insignia, discernable
even in the black & white photo.

I wonder if the same was done with armor?


Re: Request for photos of AC&F Type 11 tank cars

water.kresse@...
 

I have no idea what these older tank cars look like, but the C&O and PM purchased older, single-dome tank cars for fuel cars for refueling their new diesels locomotives. Many lost their their trucks and were dropped on cinder blocks. Doesn't help you with paint schemes.

Al Kresse

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From: "Brian J Carlson" <brian@...>
On Thu, 17 Apr 2008 16:35:52 EDT, madchemep2 wrote
Hundreds of pictures
of major owners as well as private owners. One of the best books
on the subject. Excuse the plug for the book. Al Campbell
AL, You are correct, it is a great book, the problem for us later modelers
is most of the Type 11 shots are Builder's photo's from the teens. Not much
use to use later 30's 40's and 50's modelers. I'm looking for in service
shots from the 50's myself. Besides the obvious on line TM8 car.

Brian Carlson


Re: Buyer Beware: InterMountain Milwaukee Road Rib-Side Box Car

Larry Jackman <Ljack70117@...>
 

Thank you
Larry Jackman
ljack70117@...
Boca Raton FL 33434
I was born with nothing and
I have most of it left.



On Apr 17, 2008, at 2:52 PM, Charlie Vlk wrote:

Larry-
The wording of the statement was not that the tooling could not be run..... it was that the person who
created the tooling had no "production outlet" for the product.
And I told you how to get an outlet.
The rest of what you say has nothing to do with your statement.



There have been a number of such situations that have arisen over the years. A couple of locomotive
projects, for example, have been "done on speculation" and then the factory shopped around for an
importer interested in importing the product.
As has been suggested, things of this nature don't always work out for the best.
My theory is that a company needs somebody who a champion for a project. The best products
have an air about them that reeks of somebody's interest and passion in the item.
You can have all the development and production resources in place, but without a spark the product will be
lacking and sometimes, have fatal flaws.
It is hard enough to bring together all the players in the development of a product; without personal interest in
it, it is doubly so.
Charlie Vlk




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Re: Request for photos of AC&F Type 11 tank cars

Brian J Carlson <brian@...>
 

On Thu, 17 Apr 2008 16:35:52 EDT, madchemep2 wrote
Hundreds of pictures
of major owners as well as private owners. One of the best books
on the subject. Excuse the plug for the book. Al Campbell
AL, You are correct, it is a great book, the problem for us later modelers
is most of the Type 11 shots are Builder's photo's from the teens. Not much
use to use later 30's 40's and 50's modelers. I'm looking for in service
shots from the 50's myself. Besides the obvious on line TM8 car.

Brian Carlson


Stockcar...L&N?

gary laakso
 

The book Trackside Around Louisville (East) at page 61 has a pix of an L&N 2-8-0 and in the foreground is a roof of a stock car with the wood on the roof set parallel with the running boards. No lettering can be seen on the stockcar. Is it an L&N stockcar? The wood roof is only 6 boards wide to the roof walk, so it used expensive lumber!
The L&N auxiliary tender is designed as a covered hopper look alike!


gary laakso
south of Mike Brock
vasa0vasa@...


Re: Buyer Beware: InterMountain Milwaukee Road Rib-Side Box Car

Charlie Vlk
 

Marty-
The N Scale car has not been released..... AFAIK it hasn't been hinted at..... and
the N Scale Milk Car, N Scale ATSF Stock Car, N Scale ATSF Modernized Waycar, and N Scale Cab Forward
would be in line before it if the projects are taken in order of announcement / public disclosure.
Charlie Vlk

----- Original Message -----
From: cvsne
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 1:19 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Buyer Beware: InterMountain Milwaukee Road Rib-Side Box Car


Bill

This was an Intermountain project. We did some information/drawing
gathering when I was still working there. The plan was to cut the car
in N scale first and then release it in HO. Not sure if the N scale
car was ever released - or even started.

Marty


Re: Buyer Beware: InterMountain Milwaukee Road Rib-Side Box Car

Charlie Vlk
 

Larry-
The wording of the statement was not that the tooling could not be run..... it was that the person who
created the tooling had no "production outlet" for the product.
There have been a number of such situations that have arisen over the years. A couple of locomotive
projects, for example, have been "done on speculation" and then the factory shopped around for an
importer interested in importing the product.
As has been suggested, things of this nature don't always work out for the best.
My theory is that a company needs somebody who a champion for a project. The best products
have an air about them that reeks of somebody's interest and passion in the item.
You can have all the development and production resources in place, but without a spark the product will be
lacking and sometimes, have fatal flaws.
It is hard enough to bring together all the players in the development of a product; without personal interest in
it, it is doubly so.
Charlie Vlk


looks like poppy seeds/tiny taconite look alikes

ed_mines
 

A physical therapist gave me an ankle weight that was leaking very
small lead pellets that look just like poppy seeds.

Apparently these weights wear out eventually when the seams start
undoing.

Ed


Re: Buyer Beware: InterMountain Milwaukee Road Rib-Side Box Car

water.kresse@...
 

YES! Has Tom provided a general discussion of the C&O's freight business? If so foreward it to me.

-------------- Original message --------------
From: "lnbill" <bwelch@...>
I understand what you are saying Larry, but I guess I was thinking it
might require capital to do that.

I am admittedly still frustrated with the poor job IM did with their
woodsheathed reefer, so my thinking may be clouded about IM.

Bill Welch


Re: Buyer Beware: InterMountain Milwaukee Road Rib-Side Box Car

cvsne <mjmcguirk@...>
 

Bill

This was an Intermountain project. We did some information/drawing
gathering when I was still working there. The plan was to cut the car
in N scale first and then release it in HO. Not sure if the N scale
car was ever released - or even started.

Marty


Re: Buyer Beware: InterMountain Milwaukee Road Rib-Side Box Car

Larry Jackman <Ljack70117@...>
 

When I was Smokey Valley I had no trouble with money as my banker would loan me some when I needed some.
Thank you
Larry Jackman
ljack70117@...
Boca Raton FL 33434
I was born with nothing and
I have most of it left.

On Apr 17, 2008, at 2:02 PM, lnbill wrote:

I understand what you are saying Larry, but I guess I was thinking it
might require capital to do that.

I am admittedly still frustrated with the poor job IM did with their
woodsheathed reefer, so my thinking may be clouded about IM.

Bill Welch


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