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New Standards for Freight Cars Models

Kurt Laughlin <fleeta@...>
 

It seems to me that there are a number of influential and respected people on this list that are of the opinion that certain (as yet unidentified) standards are needed to help Prototype Freight Car modeling in particular and model railroading in general. I'd suggest that these people propose the new standards themselves and offer them to the various manufacturers, perhaps as part of their normal contacts. The folks here also seem to be well represented as authors in the hobby press, so getting the pubs on board - and the word out - ought to be easier than for us lesser mortals. (GWMRG/MRG published the with N-Trak standards back in the '70/80s, as an example.)

Good standards that make the hobby and hobby industry better will stand on their own feet whether it gets some hobby club's imprimatur or not.

KL


Re: Furniture Boxcars

Schuyler Larrabee
 

The MCB designation was "XF - Furniture - similar in design to general
service box car, but usually with greater cubic capacity"

Rupert Gamlen
Interesting how "XF" morphed from "Furniture" to "Food" in later years. In the future for this
list.

SGL


Re: Prototypes For Pacific Electric Boxcar Models?

Gene Deimling <losgatos48@...>
 

I don't have my reference material in front of me but I have
inspected several cars at the Perris museum and they had a Murphy XLA
roof if my memory serves me correctly.

Gene Deimling

--- In STMFC@..., cobrapsl@... wrote:

Ben,

All the PE cars did have radial roofs, some had Hutchens roofs. I
cannot give you the series numbers till I get home.

Paul Lyons
Laguna Niguel, CA??


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Sent: Wed, 21 May 2008 12:06 pm
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Prototypes For Pacific Electric Boxcar Models?






Bob Chaparro asked:
"Alpine Scale Models has partnered with Accurail to offer two
outside
braced boxcars as can be view on the following links.

http://www.alpinemodels.com/catalog/item/5258330/5385147.htm

http://www.alpinemodels.com/catalog/item/5258330/5385134.htm

Can anyone tell me if there were actual Pacific Electric prototypes
for
these models?"

PE 10000-10399, Class B-50-14. The Accurail models are stand-ins;
these prototypes had radial roofs.

Ben Hom






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Furniture Boxcars & AAR Mechanical Designations

Guy Wilber
 

In a message dated 5/21/2008 10:19:52 PM Central Daylight Time,
timboconnor@... writes:

There is no XF type listing in the 1953 or 1972 ORER's. I think
the large "XF" stencil used by Santa Fe and a few other roads was
more in the way of "advertising" and was not an AAR car type. If
"XF" morphed, it morphed into XL or XM.



Tim,

The AAR's Car Construction Committee eliminated the designating letters; XA,
XAB, XAF and XF in 1946.

In 1947 the mechanical designations for specially equipped box cars were
modified and added to. XAR and XAP were modified and new definitions; XMP, XME
and XMR were added. The new designations were approved (via letter ballot)
and became effective December 5, 1947.

Regards,

Guy Wilber
West Bend, WI



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Re: Furniture Boxcars

Jim Lancaster
 

1b. Re: Furniture Boxcars
Posted by: "Anthony Thompson" thompson@... sigpress
Date: Tue May 20, 2008 4:08 pm ((PDT))

Bob Chaparro wrote:
Can someone provide a brief history of the furniture boxcar? I assume
these were mainly used for shipping personal property before a
nation's road system became more developed.
They may have been so used occasionally, but were primarily used
to ship NEW furniture from the makers to the sellers. This was
important when box cars were mostly a lot smaller and of low tonnage
capacity, so the low density of furniture could justify a bigger body.

Did these cars have special loading devices? Is there a point in time
that furniture boxcars generally fell out of use?
No on the devices. They fell out of use when conventional box
cars were big enough for furniture shipping -- 50-foot cars, for
example.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
I used to see lots of 50' boxcars, particularly from southern roads, spotted at a Levitz furniture warehouse on the SP Huntington Beach branch.

Jim Lancaster


Re: Fords in Crates WAS: Re: New file uploaded to STMFC

Kurt Laughlin <fleeta@...>
 

Marty, you are correct. The War Department prohibited commercial markings on Government equipment. This went so far as to cause the factories to alter the stamping dies so that commercial logos did noy appear on truck hoods, grilles, or tailgates.

KL

----- Original Message -----
From: cvsne

I do find it odd war production materiel -- Willys or Ford Jeeps or
otherwise -- would be shipped in a crate marked "Ford" whereas the
vast majority of war materiel I've seen being loaded onto ships was
devoid of the manufacturer's name or logo. I have a similiar photo
showing a shipment of aircraft engines being loaded into a boxcar at
the P&W factory and the crates have some stencilling on them, but not
a "company" logo or even name.


Re: 1950's Auto Transport Trailers

Kurt Laughlin <fleeta@...>
 

There is a photo of a train of TTX P-S "Lo-Dek" flats carrying loaded auto trailers in the 1961 CBC. The photos there generally show new things since the last issue (1957), so it was probably in the 1957-1961 timeframe.

Autorack flats are well represented in this issue. Cars shown include
RTTX 200061
SLSF 3053
SLSF 3003
RTTX 478200
RTTX 200204

Perhaps somebody can bound the photo dates by the BLT dates of these cars.

KL

----- Original Message -----
From: Bruce Smith

However, the original question asked about TOFC auto carriers (ie
autos on truck trailers in turn on flat cars), and frankly, I'm not
sure that ever occurred, or if it did, it was both extremely rare and
after the time-frame of this list.


Auto crates

Jim & Lisa Hayes <jimandlisa97225@...>
 

F&C www.fandckits.com <http://www.fandckits.com/> sells a kit of auto size
crates with Dodge & Plymouth labels. You'll find them under HO detail parts.

Jim Hayes
Portland OR



I've seen several other photos showing
crates with stenciling identifying manufacturers such as Ford,
Chrysler, International, etc.

Richard Hendrickson
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Re: Furniture Boxcars

Richard Hendrickson
 

On May 21, 2008, at 7:10 AM, Andy Sperandeo wrote:

Hi Bob,

It's worth noting that the Santa Fe's "Fe" classification (as in
"Fe-P") stood for "furniture and automobile" cars. Automobiles seem
to have become the more important business category of the two,
considering the number of cars fitted with auto-loading and parts
racks and assigned to service for specific manufacturers.







Andy's response is correct as far as it goes, but let me take it a
bit further. The Santa Fe began purchasing larger, taller (for their
day) box cars with wide doors, which were identified in freight car
rosters as furniture cars, well before the turn of the 20th century.
When the freight car fleet was reorganized in 1902 and the
classification system developed, the Fe- symbol was used for those
cars, which by that time included among the earliest fifty foot cars
built for an American railroad, and the cars were stenciled
"Furniture." Additional Fe- class cars began to be acquired in 1909
in both forty and fifty foot varieties with ten foot wide 1-1/2 doors
and full-opening end doors at the A ends, and by that time the
shipment of automobiles had become important enough that those cars
were stenciled "Automobile and Furniture." That practice continued
until the late 1920s, when (beginning in 1928 with the delivery of
the fifty foot double door Fe-S class) the stenciling was simplified
to "Automobile," though the class designation was never changed. In
the 1930s, many Fe- class cars were equipped with Evans double deck
auto loading racks and, as the auto industry diversified
geographically, a growing number of cars were also fitting with
loading racks for auto and truck engines, transmissions, and chassis
and body parts. The Santa Fe continued to apply the Fe- class symbol
to large cars with double doors until the 1960s, when the
construction of large Bx- class box cars with wide door openings
rendered the distinction between Bx- and Fe- classes moot.
Regardless of what they were called, the general-service Fe- class
cars continued to be used to ship such bulky but relatively light
cargoes as furniture, pianos, farm machinery, motor trucks and
busses, aircraft parts, vacation trailers, and even baled hay. Even
the cars equipped with Evans racks could be used for such lading on
back-hauls, since the racks were designed to fold up out of the way
against the car roofs.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: Furniture Boxcars

Andy Sperandeo <asperandeo@...>
 

Hi Malcolm,

Double doors seem to be common characteristic of furniture cars, and they were certainly a feature of the Santa Fe's Fe-class furniture and automobile cars.

So long,

Andy


Andy Sperandeo
Executive Editor
Model Railroader magazine
asperandeo@...
262-796-8776, ext. 461
FAX 262-796-1142


Re: New file uploaded to STMFC

Richard Hendrickson
 

On May 21, 2008, at 1:46 PM, cvsne wrote:

Richard,

See my follow-up comment - I understand Ford built the Jeeps -- which
druing the war was the familiar name for the Ford "G"overnment - "P" -
80" wheelbase -- but were the Jeeps shipped during WWII in crates
clearly marked "Ford" or would the crates have been plain ole'
unpainted wood with no addiotional stenciling. I was curious as a way
to date the image.









Marty, you're right that I responded before I saw your later post. I
think you're probably correct that the photo was postwar and that the
contents of the crates were Ford cars (or possibly pickup trucks).
The crating of cars and other small vehicles for shipment overseas
was common at that time; I've seen several other photos showing
crates with stenciling identifying manufacturers such as Ford,
Chrysler, International, etc.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: Trucks for NYC Lot 773-B boxcars

Richard Hendrickson
 

On May 21, 2008, at 1:50 PM, Mark Heiden wrote:

Hello everyone,

I'm looking for information about the trucks used on the New York
Central boxcars in NYC 168000-168999, Lot 773-B. These cars were built
in 1949. Prototype photos can be found at:

http://www.canadasouthern.com/caso/images/nyc-168111.jpg

http://www.canadasouthern.com/caso/images/nyc-168658.jpg

The car in the first photo, NYC 168111, looks like it may have ASF A-3
Ride Control trucks, while the second, NYC 168658, might have
Barber S-
2 trucks. Does anyone know for certain which trucks were used?














Both cars had Barber S-2 trucks.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: Furniture Boxcars

Malcolm Laughlin <mlaughlinnyc@...>
 

It's worth noting that the Santa Fe's "Fe" classification (as in "Fe-P") stood for "furniture and automobile" cars. Automobiles seem to have become the more important business category of the two, considering the number of cars fitted with auto-loading and parts racks and assigned to service for specific manufacturers.

So long,
Andy
============

Did "furniture" boxes have any special equipment or other feature that made them not suitable for general service loading and thus available for assignment as special equipment ? Or were they just XM box cars labeled for furniture because they had good dimensions, high cube I suppose ?


Malcolm Laughlin, Editor 617-489-4383
New England Rail Shipper Directories
19 Holden Road, Belmont, MA 02478


Re: Houston Roundhouse Closing

Paul Hillman
 

Mike,

Yes, it used to be the Bellaire Roundhouse, but he moved, I don't know, maybe 10 years ago, to South Main in Houston, and called it the, "Houston Roundhouse". The store is much bigger now than when on (& in) Bellaire.

If you have a Houston map, the store is at where Main Street intersects the southern (east-west bound) part of the 610 Loop.

Paul Hillman

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-

> Chris, would that be the same hobby shop that I
> always
> made a point to get to, if I had a rental car
> whenever
> I was there on the job, in Bellaire, and it used to
> be
> called Bellaire Roundhouse? I think that main street
> nearby was Bellaire Blvd., and it was not that far
> from the Galleria, which I would stop at on the same
> trip? Mike in St. Petersburg Fla.
>
>
>
>


Trucks for NYC Lot 773-B boxcars

Mark Heiden
 

Hello everyone,

I'm looking for information about the trucks used on the New York
Central boxcars in NYC 168000-168999, Lot 773-B. These cars were built
in 1949. Prototype photos can be found at:

http://www.canadasouthern.com/caso/images/nyc-168111.jpg

http://www.canadasouthern.com/caso/images/nyc-168658.jpg

The car in the first photo, NYC 168111, looks like it may have ASF A-3
Ride Control trucks, while the second, NYC 168658, might have Barber S-
2 trucks. Does anyone know for certain which trucks were used?

Thanks,
Mark Heiden


Re: New file uploaded to STMFC

cvsne <mjmcguirk@...>
 

Richard,

See my follow-up comment - I understand Ford built the Jeeps -- which
druing the war was the familiar name for the Ford "G"overnment - "P" -
80" wheelbase -- but were the Jeeps shipped during WWII in crates
clearly marked "Ford" or would the crates have been plain ole'
unpainted wood with no addiotional stenciling. I was curious as a way
to date the image.

Marty


Re: Georgia RR cars (was Not boxcar red)

Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton <smokeandsteam@...>
 

Deciding to model that, I
put .010" x .060" styrene strips where the car lines had been. That's
too thick -- should be more like .0014" to represent 1/8" sheets
overlapping. (Various list members suggested thinner plastic foils or
strips, which however tended to crinkle when I glued them.) So I
filed the strips back down to a thickness somewhere near right (just
thick enough that the file didn't tear them -- should've switched to
sandpaper), and feathered the edges. I haven't seen a down-on photo
of the prototype roof, but from a "ground" angle my roof looks OK.<<

Foil, paper or parcel tape cut into strips the width of the panels
works well for this sort of thing - just overlap the strips a scale 6
inches or so and press down. If you're using paper, seal it with
shellac before painting

Aidrian


Re: Houston Roundhouse Closing

m repka
 

-

Chris, would that be the same hobby shop that I
always
made a point to get to, if I had a rental car
whenever
I was there on the job, in Bellaire, and it used to
be
called Bellaire Roundhouse? I think that main street
nearby was Bellaire Blvd., and it was not that far
from the Galleria, which I would stop at on the same
trip? Mike in St. Petersburg Fla.




Re: New file uploaded to STMFC

Richard Hendrickson
 

On May 21, 2008, at 11:19 AM, cvsne wrote:

Al, this is later than the Model T era - I don't have a date on the
photo but believe it was taken around WWII. Some of the guys in the
CV Historical Society mentioned they thought these were Jeeps being
loaded for shipment from New London. (War materiel was shipped from
New London - and German POWs from Rommel's Afrika Korps arrived in
New London and went north on the CV to camps in Canada.) But if
these were Jeeps why would they be marked "Ford"?? That doesn't make
any sense.









Uh, Marty, WW II Jeeps were built by Ford.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: Prototypes For Pacific Electric Boxcar Models?

Paul Lyons
 

Ben,

All the PE cars did have radial roofs, some had Hutchens roofs. I cannot give you the series numbers till I get home.

Paul Lyons
Laguna Niguel, CA??

-----Original Message-----
From: benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Wed, 21 May 2008 12:06 pm
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Prototypes For Pacific Electric Boxcar Models?






Bob Chaparro asked:
"Alpine Scale Models has partnered with Accurail to offer two outside
braced boxcars as can be view on the following links.

http://www.alpinemodels.com/catalog/item/5258330/5385147.htm

http://www.alpinemodels.com/catalog/item/5258330/5385134.htm

Can anyone tell me if there were actual Pacific Electric prototypes for
these models?"

PE 10000-10399, Class B-50-14. The Accurail models are stand-ins;
these prototypes had radial roofs.

Ben Hom

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