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Re: Rod's milk car questions

Donald B. Valentine
 

Hello Rod,

Now that you have posted photos of your milk car I can answer your
questions a bit more definitively.

1. The conduit found on the roof and ends is strictly for head-end
lighting, as a couple have suggested. It was found on some of the
Abbott's Alderney Dairies cars that ran into Philly, on the Reading
if memory serves, and also on some Freeport Dairy cars that ran
into Chicago. These were among the earliest such cars constructed,
however, all being built in the mid-1920's.

2. The steam line along the side sill was, as I noted earlier,
another early feature limited to certain dairies and roads. Those
known to have utilized suah a line were the Seminole Milk Co. of
Jacksonville, Fla., the Cloverdale Creamery, of New Orleans. LA
and the Wetern Dairy Co. and Hammond Dairy, both of which shipped
into Chicago.

3. As noted previously, I doubt you could find the jacketed steam
lines still in place on any of these cars after the mid-1930's, if
not before. I believe the same could be correctly stated for the
electricl conduit. Thus you might consider removing them for you
1950's era modeling if the collector value of the model does not
matter to you.

4. If you choose to make such modifications there is another you
might consider as well. This is the removal of the roof lifting
lugs above the edge of the roof. I have done this on my HO models
as well as it was found within a year or two after the prototypes
utilizing this feature were constructed that the tanks and other
equipment within the car body were so trouble free that there was
no need to remove the roofs. Thus the original brackets were
replaced with only a plate that did not extend above the roof
attached with the same bolts that held the original brackets. I
don't believe any cars constructed after 1928 utilized the
brackets at all and they disappeared with the first rebuilding in
almost ever case.

Hopefully this further clarification is helpful,

Don Valentine


--- In STMFC@..., "railsnw1" <railsnw@...> wrote:

Rod,

Mystery pipe appears to be a conduit for electricity since it
appears
that those are plugs at the end of the car.

Richard Wilkens

--- In STMFC@..., Rod Miller <rod@> wrote:

Hi Folks,

Four photos of the GPEX car that
I asked about have been uploaded to the files
section.

While taking the photos and being in a little
less of a hurry, I noticed that what I concluded
yesterday were ice hatches [because the car has the
appearance from the side of a
refrigerator car] were the usual house car corner
roofwalks. Donald Valentine commented that milk
had a very high "thermal inertia" and didn't need
to be iced. His comment reminds me of a posting
perhaps here about an experiment where a load of
milk was shipped from Chicago to Florida in the
summer. The milk temperature was up one degree IIRC
after several days in an insulated but not iced car.
If the person who originally posted that information
sees this post, hopefully they will update/correct
what I wrote.

Rod

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Re: New Standards for Freight Cars Models

Denny Anspach <danspach@...>
 

Gender issues: As a person who toiled quite sympathetically and supportive deep within the feminist vineyards for a good of my life, I am not in the very least offended to be among those addressed quite politely as "Gentlemen".

Much ado about nothing- at all.

Denny


Denny S. Anspach MD
Sacramento

Re: New Standards for Freight Cars Models

Paul <buygone@...>
 

Denny:



I have to agree with you completely. You can call me anything you want to
as long as it is not late for a meal.



Paul C. Koehler



_____

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of
Denny Anspach
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 9:48 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Re: New Standards for Freight Cars Models



Gender issues: As a person who toiled quite sympathetically and
supportive deep within the feminist vineyards for a good of my life, I
am not in the very least offended to be among those addressed quite
politely as "Gentlemen".

Much ado about nothing- at all.

Denny

Denny S. Anspach MD
Sacramento

Re: Sunshine's Bx28 kit

Richard Hendrickson
 

On May 29, 2008, at 4:35 AM, jerryglow2 wrote:

Is the map in Sunshine's Bx28 kit - curved or straight?

Jerry Glow


Re: Sunshine's Bx28 kit

Richard Hendrickson
 

On May 29, 2008, at 4:35 AM, jerryglow2 wrote:

Is the map in Sunshine's Bx28 kit - curved or straight?

Jerry, it's a straight-line map with "Ship" as it should be, since
the Bx-28 class was built without map/slogan stenciling, which was
added later. Few repainted cars got curved-line or early straight-
line maps, as those maps were applied only for a few months in early
1940 and only two Santa Fe shops, Topeka and West Wichita, had the
stencils for them. In the absence of photo documentation, you can
safely assume that repainted Santa Fe cars got the later style
straight line maps.

Richard Hendrickson



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ADMIN: Gender

Mike Brock <brockm@...>
 

Denny Anspach notes regarding references to members as gentlemen:

"Much ado about nothing- at all."

And since I have already noted that the STMFC has issued no standard or RP regarding terminology associated with its members, I now terminate this thread with the stipulation that members ARE expected to treat each other with respect and with that, I would also note that women are part of the population of railroad prototype modelers and, therefore, we should give them the courtesy of being included when addressing the group's members. How one chooses to do that is somewhat akin to the principles in which the STMFC operates. Members are permitted to criticize or bless a particular model or prototype. Other members will draw their own conclusions about what a member says in that regard. Or...one reaps what they sow. The same is true regarding issues such as that of addressing the members as a group.

Back to frt cars please.

Thanks

Mike Brock
STMFC Owner

CRIP SW1 decals

joe binish <joebinish@...>
 

Sorry for the slightly off topic question....

I am looking for a set of decals in HO for an SW1, Rock Island. I've checked the normal suspects(Micro and Champ, and the GD site) Rumor has it that switchers occasionally moved steam era freight cars....
TIA,
Joe Binish

Re: CRIP SW1 decals

jerryglow2
 

Since Rock Island never met a paint salesman they didn't like, the
question is what scheme?

Jerry Glow

--- In STMFC@..., "joe binish" <joebinish@...> wrote:

Sorry for the slightly off topic question....

I am looking for a set of decals in HO for an SW1, Rock Island. I've
checked the normal suspects(Micro and Champ, and the GD site) Rumor has
it that switchers occasionally moved steam era freight cars....
TIA,
Joe Binish

Re: CRIP SW1 decals

joe binish <joebinish@...>
 

Right, A thousand pardons. Lessee, I am modeling 1953, so the basic black with the small coonskin herald on the cab sides, and the road name on the hood in white. White side sill stripe.
Joe Binish

----- Original Message -----
From: "jerryglow2" <jerryglow@...>
To: <STMFC@...>
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 5:49 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: CRIP SW1 decals


Since Rock Island never met a paint salesman they didn't like, the
question is what scheme?

Jerry Glow

--- In STMFC@..., "joe binish" <joebinish@...> wrote:

Sorry for the slightly off topic question....

I am looking for a set of decals in HO for an SW1, Rock Island. I've
checked the normal suspects(Micro and Champ, and the GD site) Rumor has
it that switchers occasionally moved steam era freight cars....
TIA,
Joe Binish


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IC 50000 series reefers

pierreoliver2003 <pierre.oliver@...>
 

So the questions for today is;
What colour is the fascia on these cars?
Black or green?
If green, what would be a good colour match for the decals supplied
from Sunshine?
Thanks in advance,
Pierre Oliver

Re: CRIP SW1 decals

Steve and Barb Hile
 

Joe,

Please contact me off list and I will send you my Rock Island decal list. I should have what you need.

Regards,
Steve Hile
shile@...

-----Original Message-----
From: joe binish <joebinish@...>
Sent: May 29, 2008 6:04 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: CRIP SW1 decals

Right, A thousand pardons. Lessee, I am modeling 1953, so the basic black
with the small coonskin herald on the cab sides, and the road name on the
hood in white. White side sill stripe.
Joe Binish
----- Original Message -----
From: "jerryglow2" <jerryglow@...>
To: <STMFC@...>
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 5:49 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: CRIP SW1 decals


Since Rock Island never met a paint salesman they didn't like, the
question is what scheme?

Jerry Glow

--- In STMFC@..., "joe binish" <joebinish@...> wrote:

Sorry for the slightly off topic question....

I am looking for a set of decals in HO for an SW1, Rock Island. I've
checked the normal suspects(Micro and Champ, and the GD site) Rumor has
it that switchers occasionally moved steam era freight cars....
TIA,
Joe Binish


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CB&Q FM-12 Lettering Help?

parkcitybranch <parkcitybranch@...>
 

I have a W&R Imports FM-12 flatcar that is getting painted for the
CB&Q. I have decal sheet that came with the car and associated
diagram. I want the car to represent an as-built car. Having said
this I assume the large "burlington" lettering is not correct for an as-
built car. Does that mean I can just omit the "burlington" lettering
and the rest of the decal placement stays the same according to the
diagram sheet? Hopefully someone with this car can help. I will post
a scan of the decal diagram sheet tomorrow when I am by my scanner.
Thanks.

Jason Sanford

Re: anthracite hoppers

olin4812
 

Tim O'Connor wrote:
I do know MP and Southern hoppers came into Pueblo on the MP. During
the beet season open hoppers were in great demand and you could see a
real mish-mosh of different owners' cars loaded with beets. And coal
was loaded on the 'Colorado & Wyoming' branch out of Laramie; I don't
know if any of it was sent to CF&I in Pueblo.
Evelyn Coal in NW Arkansas on the MP was the supplier used to
obtain "low volatility" coal by CF&I in the early 1950's to mix in with
the "high volatility" coal of the Grande to improve the coking
qualities. This is very likely the source of many MP hoppers in Pueblo.

Olin Dirks
Omaha, NE

Re: CB&Q FM-12 Lettering Help?

gary laakso
 

The decals are for the as-built car. See the pictures of CB&Q flat cars in Mike Spoor's CB&Q Color Guide to Freight and Passenger Equipment.

----- Original Message -----
From: parkcitybranch
To: STMFC@...
Sent: 5/29/2008 10:20:11 PM
Subject: [STMFC] CB&Q FM-12 Lettering Help?


I have a W&R Imports FM-12 flatcar that is getting painted for the
CB&Q. I have decal sheet that came with the car and associated
diagram. I want the car to represent an as-built car. Having said
this I assume the large "burlington" lettering is not correct for an as-
built car. Does that mean I can just omit the "burlington" lettering
and the rest of the decal placement stays the same according to the
diagram sheet? Hopefully someone with this car can help. I will post
a scan of the decal diagram sheet tomorrow when I am by my scanner.
Thanks.

Jason Sanford

New file uploaded to STMFC

STMFC@...
 

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Re: CB&Q FM-12 Lettering Help?

parkcitybranch <parkcitybranch@...>
 

I don't think that is correct and maybe I am confused. The decals
includes the large block lettering scheme which I have not seen on any
steam era cars. I uploaded the diagram sheet from W&R imports. Please
let me know if I am not understanding. Thanks.

Jason



--- In STMFC@..., "gary laakso" <vasa0vasa@...> wrote:

The decals are for the as-built car. See the pictures of CB&Q flat
cars in Mike Spoor's CB&Q Color Guide to Freight and Passenger
Equipment.

ga & fla open and covered hoppers

pwilshaw1
 

help needed with any info, photo data, history, previous owners for:
G&F 12001-12026 (26 cars) open HM hopper cars circa late 1950's:
inside length 34'-0", outside length 41'-0", extreme height 11'-
2", 2508 cu.ft. and
G&F 12076-12085 (10 cars)LO covered hopper cars circa mid-
1960's: 29'-6" inside length, 37'-3" outside length, 70-ton,
2070 cu.ft.
all help greatly appreciated!! paul

Snoqualmie museum info

Staffan Ehnbom <staffan.ehnbom@...>
 

Richard,

A short time ago you e-mailed info to me on when the museum is open and where the GN cars might be. For the life of me I can't locate the info now. Would you send it again? I'm going to the museum in the company of Richard Hendrickson, a very knowledgeable freight car fan, probably on July 16.

Staffan Ehnbom

Re: CB&Q FM-12 Lettering Help?

Charlie Vlk
 

????
The lettering sheet that was posted showing the different cars had only the CB&Q Chinese Red style Burlington block
lettering....
The photos in the Color Guide show the RR Roman and Chinese Red schemes on FM14 and FM14As..
What are the decals???
Either scheme could be done using the photos in the book.
Charlie Vlk

----- Original Message -----
From: gary laakso
To: STMFC@... ; STMFC@...
Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 5:23 AM
Subject: RE: [STMFC] CB&Q FM-12 Lettering Help?


The decals are for the as-built car. See the pictures of CB&Q flat cars in Mike Spoor's CB&Q Color Guide to Freight and Passenger Equipment.

----- Original Message -----
From: parkcitybranch
To: STMFC@...
Sent: 5/29/2008 10:20:11 PM
Subject: [STMFC] CB&Q FM-12 Lettering Help?

I have a W&R Imports FM-12 flatcar that is getting painted for the
CB&Q. I have decal sheet that came with the car and associated
diagram. I want the car to represent an as-built car. Having said
this I assume the large "burlington" lettering is not correct for an as-
built car. Does that mean I can just omit the "burlington" lettering
and the rest of the decal placement stays the same according to the
diagram sheet? Hopefully someone with this car can help. I will post
a scan of the decal diagram sheet tomorrow when I am by my scanner.
Thanks.

Jason Sanford

Re: CB&Q FM-12 Lettering Help?

Jason Sanford <parkcitybranch@...>
 

Hi,
I want to do the RR roman scheme and I have the decals for that but just do not know where to place them beacause the diagram sheet I have only has the chinese scheme. Can someone send me a photo or scan via e-mail of the car from a book? Thanks.

Jason

Charlie Vlk <cvlk@...> wrote:
????
The lettering sheet that was posted showing the different cars had only the CB&Q Chinese Red style Burlington block
lettering....
The photos in the Color Guide show the RR Roman and Chinese Red schemes on FM14 and FM14As..
What are the decals???
Either scheme could be done using the photos in the book.
Charlie Vlk

----- Original Message -----
From: gary laakso
To: STMFC@... ; STMFC@...
Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 5:23 AM
Subject: RE: [STMFC] CB&Q FM-12 Lettering Help?


The decals are for the as-built car. See the pictures of CB&Q flat cars in Mike Spoor's CB&Q Color Guide to Freight and Passenger Equipment.

----- Original Message -----
From: parkcitybranch
To: STMFC@...
Sent: 5/29/2008 10:20:11 PM
Subject: [STMFC] CB&Q FM-12 Lettering Help?

I have a W&R Imports FM-12 flatcar that is getting painted for the
CB&Q. I have decal sheet that came with the car and associated
diagram. I want the car to represent an as-built car. Having said
this I assume the large "burlington" lettering is not correct for an as-
built car. Does that mean I can just omit the "burlington" lettering
and the rest of the decal placement stays the same according to the
diagram sheet? Hopefully someone with this car can help. I will post
a scan of the decal diagram sheet tomorrow when I am by my scanner.
Thanks.

Jason Sanford










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