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Re: An L&N Boxcar?

benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
 

Eric Hansmann wrote:
"I was trolling around the P&WV site and found a few great steam era
images. Here's one from July 1947. You can zoom in pretty easily to see
the weathered NYC and Southern boxcars behind the loco. Is that an L&N
boxcar before the edge of the picture? The letters aren't quite
distinct enough. If so, would anyone have an idea what number series it
is from? It seems like a DS rebuild."
http://www.thepwvhiline.com/BillPoellotJrsPWVAlbum/PWV_923_Web_001.html

Most likely L&N 8000-8999, AC&F, built 1921 based on the ends. These
are NOT rebuilt DS boxcars - they retained their wood sheathing
throughout their service lives.


Ben Hom


An L&N Boxcar?

Eric Hansmann
 

I was trolling around the P&WV site and found a few great steam era images. Here's one from
July 1947. You can zoom in pretty easily to see the weathered NYC and Southern boxcars behind
the loco. Is that an L&N boxcar before the edge of the picture? The letters aren't quite
distinct enough. If so, would anyone have an idea what number series it is from? It seems like
a DS rebuild.

http://www.thepwvhiline.com/BillPoellotJrsPWVAlbum/PWV_923_Web_001.html

Love the three shades of color on these cars, plus the weathering.

Eric Hansmann
Morgantown, W. Va.


Brian Nolan DVD in Stock and Ready to Ship

smason22000 <smason2@...>
 

Hi folks,

My new DVD, "Building Craftsman Structure Kits, Volume 4 with Brian Nolan", is now in stock
and ready for immediate delivery. Those of you who are morally opposed to placing pre-
orders or just don't like to wait, can have a copy of this DVD within a few days. As always,
you can order from my website, or pay by bank or personal check. The cost of the DVD is
$29.95 plus postage.

Thanks,

Scott


Re: How about creating a model prototype database?

Tim O'Connor
 

Another note: If you open a GMAIL account, you can direct your
Yahoo mail (STMFC, etc) to that account. Then with Google Desktop
Search enabled on your Windows PC (or Mac?) Google will create a
search index that you can access at any time -- it's almost
instantaneous. Since the Desktop tool also indexes my hard drive,
I can search for something like "SP A-50-13" in about 2 seconds
and locate emails, gmails, text files, photos, etc. You can also
tell the Desktop search tool to index specific web sites (if you
have access, like RPI) and it will add that to your personal
search database. These free tools are incredibly powerful and
can save a lot of time.

Tim O'Connor


NOT ADMIN messages

jerryglow2
 

That's a good idea Mike - I hope everyone co-operates.

Jerry Glow

--- In STMFC@..., "Mike Brock" <brockm@...> wrote:

It has been requested to me that members not use the term "ADMIN"
in the
subject line even when replying to an ADMIN message. I think thats
a good
idea because ADMIN messages should be read by the members and I
don't think
we should subject the members to more ADMIN messages than
necessary. Feel
free, however, to ask about a subject in the ADMIN subject line.
Hopefully
ADMIN messages will be few in number and should really only be used
to keep
the group functioning in as efficient manner as possible. The less
we see of
the judge the better...IMO.

Mike Brock
STMFC Owner


Re: How about creating a model prototype database?

Tim O'Connor
 

There is already such a database. It's called the INTERNET.

The STMFC archives as well as ALL Yahoo groups are downloadable
to your hard drive with a tool called "PG Offline" and you can
then make sophisticated search requests (e.g. find 'this' plus
'that' but not 'those') locally.

There are HUNDREDS of web sites with prototype information,
modeling information, photographs, spreadsheets, lists, drawings,
you name it.

I only got serious about prototype models 15 years ago -- and I
think we only started the STMFC about 10 +/- years ago. Almost
everything I know, I've learned from friends, books, magazines,
emails, web site resources, and my small collection of photos,
and my digital scans (about 45,000 downloaded images).

As Marty says, it takes TIME and EFFORT and MONEY and no one
is obligated to package it up for someone else's instant
gratification.

Tim O'Connor


Re: How about creating a model prototype database?

Steve Lucas <stevelucas3@...>
 

Marty, I took absolutely no offence to your or Schyuler's postings.
I didn't FEEL at all that I was being "picked on". And I don't
recall asking for a database to be set up, but I'd gladly contribute
to it if one was.

I model a location in Eastern Ontario that, for a railway line in
Canada, saw many US freight cars hauling grain, locomotive coal, and
home heating coal. Even MDT reefers loaded with potatoes. So I find
myself modelling many of those roads' cars. ATSF raised-roof steel-
frame boxcars, NYC USRA boxcars, IC, L&N, Southern, and many Eastern
US roads' hopper cars, B&O M-53's, Georgia RR USRA steel-side rebuild
boxcars, LV "wrong-way" boxcars, just to name a few off the top of my
head. And I see myself modelling many more US roads' cars yet,
breaking me from a diet of CN 40' steel and steel-frame boxcars that
I always seem to be working on.

I'd imagine that you and Richard Hendrickson must get many broad
requests for info on the roads that you both are very knowledgeable
of. For someone to make that broad e-mail enquiry of you about "CV
freight cars of the '50s" or want you to tell them everything about
the CV Essex Junction--White River Junction line--that's a bit much.
They really should get out and do some research to at least winnow
their request down to specific group of cars, or go to White River
Junction for starters--that can be as much fun as modelling! And
IMHO, having a computer and paying an ISP means that one has the
ability to surf the web. Anything else--make an informed query very,
very, nicely, once and wait for an answer.

BTW, I have to model one of those CV steel-frame 40' cars
eventually. ;)

All the best,

Steve Lucas.

--- In STMFC@..., "cvsne"
<mjmcguirk@...> wrote:

Steve,

You seem to think I was picking on you which certainly wasn't my
intent.

To clarify - I wasn't attempting to suggest that you not ask a
question of the list. My reply was regarding the comment that
people
make on this list on an almost annual basis suggesting "we" - being
the members of this list - create some sort of massive database
where
they can locate whatever they want to know about steam era freight
cars.

Someone suggested this be a "wiki" - my point was to show we
discussed
that very idea 2 years ago, in detail. To date nothing has been
done
to create it - and I'm not in the least surprised by that since the
people who have the knowledge and resources to create these detailed
Wiki entries on each railroad have other things to do with their
time.

My comment reflects one pet peeve I have. I know how many
questions I
get on a monthly basis on Central Vermont items - I can't imagine
how
many Richard Hendrickson gets for the Santa Fe. I have no problem
answering the questions for folks, but over time my initial answers
to
inquiries have gotten more curt -- I don't' have the time to do all
the research and modeling I want to do for myself and spending time
replying to fishing expedition questions ("Tell me about CV freight
cars in the 1950s" and "I'm interested in building a layout based on
the CV between White River Junction and Essex Junction - can you
tell
me about the traffic, track arrangements, locomotives, and
schedules"
are two actual examples of questions I've received in the past
year.

These are examples of poorly asked questions - they simply aren't
specific enough. The only way to answer them is very broadly, a
lengthly tome, or to suggest the person spends some time researching
things and asking specific, targeted questions. I actually enjoy
researching and answering those.

Another pet peeve is the idea some folks have that simply by paying
an
ISP and getting a computer they have some sort of right to expect to
get information that I've spent years (and not an inconsiderable sum
of money) accumulating . . . but I won't go into that any further.

Marty






Re: How about creating a model prototype database?

cvsne <mjmcguirk@...>
 

Steve,

You seem to think I was picking on you which certainly wasn't my intent.

To clarify - I wasn't attempting to suggest that you not ask a
question of the list. My reply was regarding the comment that people
make on this list on an almost annual basis suggesting "we" - being
the members of this list - create some sort of massive database where
they can locate whatever they want to know about steam era freight cars.

Someone suggested this be a "wiki" - my point was to show we discussed
that very idea 2 years ago, in detail. To date nothing has been done
to create it - and I'm not in the least surprised by that since the
people who have the knowledge and resources to create these detailed
Wiki entries on each railroad have other things to do with their time.

My comment reflects one pet peeve I have. I know how many questions I
get on a monthly basis on Central Vermont items - I can't imagine how
many Richard Hendrickson gets for the Santa Fe. I have no problem
answering the questions for folks, but over time my initial answers to
inquiries have gotten more curt -- I don't' have the time to do all
the research and modeling I want to do for myself and spending time
replying to fishing expedition questions ("Tell me about CV freight
cars in the 1950s" and "I'm interested in building a layout based on
the CV between White River Junction and Essex Junction - can you tell
me about the traffic, track arrangements, locomotives, and schedules"
are two actual examples of questions I've received in the past year.

These are examples of poorly asked questions - they simply aren't
specific enough. The only way to answer them is very broadly, a
lengthly tome, or to suggest the person spends some time researching
things and asking specific, targeted questions. I actually enjoy
researching and answering those.

Another pet peeve is the idea some folks have that simply by paying an
ISP and getting a computer they have some sort of right to expect to
get information that I've spent years (and not an inconsiderable sum
of money) accumulating . . . but I won't go into that any further.

Marty

--- In STMFC@..., "Steve Lucas" <stevelucas3@...> wrote:

A little explanation is in order---

What my orignal posting was about was in reply to Marty McGuirk's
posting regarding people asking about stuff in a group such as STMFC
without first checking the archived messages. Being first a CN/proto-
freelance railway modeller, I am way out of my depth exploring
nuances of steam-era IC hopper cars, and know it. But I also know a
list or two where I can get some solid info to start me in the right
direction ;)

If I was after instant gratification, I'd have left this hobby a long
time ago. So I too make the trips and calls to the archives and
photo sellers (they know my interests, and tell me if they have any
new Lindsay, ON photos every time that I see them at a train show) to
get info on stuff such as that GTR/CN slide-valve 2-6-0 that I want
to build in HO before I die.

To me, research has become a hobby in itself. Every new photo or
piece of information helps me mentally assemble the jigsaw puzzle
that was that location, car, or loco that is now gone or changed
forever. Consequently, I have way too many books, binders, and files
of RR stuff (unknown linear footage, and accrued over many, many,
years) for my wife's liking. I'm lucky to have been married for 21
years!

Hope that you enjoyed that Scotch, and no offence taken. I have big
shoulders.

Steve Lucas.

--- In STMFC@..., "Schuyler Larrabee"
<schuyler.larrabee@> wrote:


Eventually I found it, but it took a bit of looking

Steve Lucas.

"Took a bit of looking." Well, geez, yeah, finding information CAN
take a bit of looking. It can
take a LOT of looking. I did drawings of ERIE 0-6-0s, for my own
pleasure and eventually, for
publication in The Diamond, the Erie Lackawanna Historical Society
magazine. I started having basic
erecting drawings, side elevation and a couple of sections, plus
the rear end. But it took me THREE
AND A HALF YEARS to get all the info I really needed to do the
locomotive in both the Stephenson and
Baker valve gear versions, plus two tender variants. I wound up in
three archives (California
State, SMU, and another one that escapes me at the moment, as well
as significant help from Ed King,
who actually >understands< how valve gear works, and more personal
photo collections than I can
remember. I have a binder with over 120 images of ERIE B5 and B6
engines.

Sorry to blast YOU, Steve, but you tipped over my apple cart on
this issue. I'm amazed at the
impatience of people if the information they want isn't available
Right Now, Right Here.



OK, OK, I'll go get my glass of Scotch . . . tough day at the
office, sorry . . .

SGL


ADMIN messages

Mike Brock <brockm@...>
 

It has been requested to me that members not use the term "ADMIN" in the subject line even when replying to an ADMIN message. I think thats a good idea because ADMIN messages should be read by the members and I don't think we should subject the members to more ADMIN messages than necessary. Feel free, however, to ask about a subject in the ADMIN subject line. Hopefully ADMIN messages will be few in number and should really only be used to keep the group functioning in as efficient manner as possible. The less we see of the judge the better...IMO.

Mike Brock
STMFC Owner


Re: Color Matching for Freight Cars

Mike Brock <brockm@...>
 

Charlie Vlk writes:

"I envision doing the database prior to dealing with the actual drift cards, means of reproducing them, etc... and as an ongoing
work.
This database will, incidently, provide some framework of drawings and other documents in existence as a byproduct. While it
will, because of the thrust of the project, be limited to General Arrangement and Lettering & Painting drawings and specifications
that normally contain color information, it would be something."

OK...I'm curious. Are you saying that you suggest that the data base you are going to build will contain only "Arrangement and Lettering & Painting drawings and specifications that normally contain color information"? Exactly what does that mean? I'm puzzled. I mean, we have that already for many RRs...certainly UP.

Mike Brock


Re: Texaco Tank Car Fleet in 1950

Cyril Durrenberger
 

The following are from what I remember from builders photos, but is being written from our summer house and I do not have my Texaco file here.

In about 1929 The Texas Company began using the name "Texaco" on their tank cars instead of "The Texas Company". It appears that up until that time almost all of their tank cars were painted black, but there may have been some that were painted white (I recal a photo of a white tank car).. They also had some box cars that were painted white. In 1929 they began using the scheme with silver on the upper part of the tank with large black letters spelling out "Texaco". These were used for gasoline, or that is what their magazine indicated when they discussed their new paint and lettering scheme. Black cars were still used for other products. It is not clear how soon they repainted their cars in the new paint and lettering scheme.

Cyril Durrenberger

"Garth G. Groff" <ggg9y@...> wrote:
George,

Sorry. I hit the wrong key. I have nothing solid to offer you, except
that the silver Texaco cars date from the 1930s and were all black well
before the 1950s.

Kind regards,

Garth G. Groff

George Hollwedel wrote:

Garth, that wasn't much help...

Prototype N Scale Models (TM)
by George Hollwedel
310 Loma Verde St
Buda, TX 78610-9785
512-796-6883
www.micro-trains.com/hollwedel.php


--- On Fri, 6/6/08, Garth G. Groff <ggg9y@...> wrote:


From: Garth G. Groff <ggg9y@...>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Texaco Tank Car Fleet in 1950
To: STMFC@...
Date: Friday, June 6, 2008, 11:38 AM
matthewjstrickland wrote:

Hi guys,

Can anyone tell me what period Texaco used the black
tank cars with

White Thick Block lettering of "TEXACO"?
From when to when?

Were these tanks cars 8000 or 10,000 gallon?

Also if you were putting together a fleet of tank cars
for Texaco in

1950 which tank cars were most likely to be seen?

Plain GATX? Silver TEXACO? Still some labelled THE
TEXAS COMPANY or

just simply labelled TCX? And what size?

Thanks for your help in advance

MATT


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Northern Pacific Boxcar Red dba Corvette Red dba Chocolate Syrup Brown

gary laakso
 

Per a research piece by Bill McKown of W&R fame, Northern Pacific box car red is the same red used on Corvettes and in the DuPont catalogue in 1993 when he wrote an article for the NPRHS, its was Lucite C8120L. It is an interesting color that faded or "morphed" to a chocolate syrup brown in some paint batches and that was the color Challenger Imports used on the NP single sheathed war emergency boxcar. There are pictures of NP trains with boxcars some of which are the corvette red and others in the syrup brown and the boxcars are from the same era. I just weather to suit, knowing the colors did not stay nearly consistent on NP.
Great Northern colors did not "morph" to chocolate! Well, at least not in the pictures that i have seen.
I like Richard Henderickson's weathering ideas more all the time!


gary laakso
south of Mike Brock
vasa0vasa@...


Re: Color Matching for Freight Cars

Charlie Vlk
 

Ed-
Thank you for your thoughtful and informative reply.
Your comments indicate, to me, the importance of including the application data and allowing for reported and observed
variances in the color over time. A field for this with a suffix to the "official" paint number (if any) should be a part of the
database to allow for this.
Not all fields for every entry will be able to be populated.... your horror example (for us) of a lot of cars to be painted to match
a drift card sample without any brand, number, name of the paint is an example.

I envision doing the database prior to dealing with the actual drift cards, means of reproducing them, etc... and as an ongoing
work.
This database will, incidently, provide some framework of drawings and other documents in existence as a byproduct. While it
will, because of the thrust of the project, be limited to General Arrangement and Lettering & Painting drawings and specifications
that normally contain color information, it would be something.

Charlie Vlk




Charlie,
For the period 1931-1952, the AC&F bills of materials have numerous
paint samples that were affixed to the back covers of these documents.
As many people know, Pat Wider, Ray Long and I researched these BOMs
and received permission to cut a small sliver of the paint sample to
keep. I have a collection of these paint samples. Anyone can see the
samples by visiting the St. Louis Mercantile Library (Barriger National
Railroad Library) and go through the BOMs.

From the standpoint of freight car colors used in this period, in many
cases the BOMs specify a generic name of a paint color without the
mention of a brand of paint. Others specify the brand of paint plus a
name of the paint color (i.e., DuPont Tuffcoat Brown). In very few
cases are there paint numbers that were specified. Not all orders BOMs
had paint samples (absolutely none on tank cars), so there are many
examples where there are no samples available for various road names or
private owners. In other cases there are perhaps up to a dozen paint
samples used on various cars for a given railroad.

In addition to the AC&F material, I have a collection of Pullman BOMs
that apply, for the most part, to cars built at Bessemer, Alabama from
1929 to 1947. Included in this collection are a relatively small number
of BOMs of cars built at Pullman's Butler, Pa. plant. These documents
have no color samples, but they tend to specify the paint brand/paint
name in the same way that the AC&F BOMs specify them. Some have paint
numbers, but most do not.

The AC&F paint samples clearly show that paint colors changed over time
even though the name of the paint may have remained the same. For
example, Santa Fe Mineral Brown changed significantly from the samples
of the late 1930s/early 1940s to those from the late 1940s.

Many of the paint brands and color names have already been published in
RP CYC articles and/or my articles in Railmodel Journal. A main point
that I want to emphasize is that each AC&F paint sample represents the
color applied to one order of cars. The same color may have been used
on other lot numbers that were produced, but in many cases the colors
changed from one order to another even for the same railroad. Sometimes
multiple brands of paint were used for the cars built in one lot
number. In some cases there are multiple paint samples in the BOM and
sometimes there's only one sample. It can get pretty complicated. but I
am willing to be a participant in a study to help define the colors to
the extent that they can be defined. The challenge is to come up with
some way to match these paint samples to some type of standard that's
available for anyone to use.

Of course, these paint samples document selected cars when they were
brand new. Samples for repainted cars typically done at the railroad
shops will have to some from other sources.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


Re: Texaco Tank Car Fleet in 1950

George Hollwedel
 

That helps me, I hope it helps MATT as well.

Prototype N Scale Models (TM)
by George Hollwedel
310 Loma Verde St
Buda, TX 78610-9785
512-796-6883
www.micro-trains.com/hollwedel.php

--- On Fri, 6/6/08, Garth G. Groff <ggg9y@...> wrote:

From: Garth G. Groff <ggg9y@...>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Texaco Tank Car Fleet in 1950
To: STMFC@...
Date: Friday, June 6, 2008, 1:14 PM
George,

Sorry. I hit the wrong key. I have nothing solid to offer
you, except
that the silver Texaco cars date from the 1930s and were
all black well
before the 1950s.

Kind regards,


Garth G. Groff

George Hollwedel wrote:
Garth, that wasn't much help...

Prototype N Scale Models (TM)
by George Hollwedel
310 Loma Verde St
Buda, TX 78610-9785
512-796-6883
www.micro-trains.com/hollwedel.php


--- On Fri, 6/6/08, Garth G. Groff
<ggg9y@...> wrote:


From: Garth G. Groff <ggg9y@...>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Texaco Tank Car Fleet in 1950
To: STMFC@...
Date: Friday, June 6, 2008, 11:38 AM
matthewjstrickland wrote:

Hi guys,

Can anyone tell me what period Texaco used the
black
tank cars with

White Thick Block lettering of
"TEXACO"?
From when to when?

Were these tanks cars 8000 or 10,000 gallon?

Also if you were putting together a fleet of
tank cars
for Texaco in

1950 which tank cars were most likely to be
seen?

Plain GATX? Silver TEXACO? Still some labelled
THE
TEXAS COMPANY or

just simply labelled TCX? And what size?

Thanks for your help in advance

MATT


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Re: Color Matching for Freight Cars

Charlie Vlk
 

A verrrry red-faced Charlie Vlk admits that he did mean Mr. Tom Madden, Dean of All Things Pullman.....
The process of objectivity you describe hits the nail on the head...... we can wax poetic about how
the human eye processes different wavelengths of light, etc... but if we don't know what the size and
nature of the subject we're dealing with it is just a waste of electrons.....
I'd like to work on a Color Project, but sure would like a few people that have more knowledge of setting
up databases and are more internet savvy than I.... also that have some time to devote to data entry, etc..
Since the source documents (unlike the Pullman records which are in a few locations) are scattered
in files across the world, I think the real population of the database (i.e., CB&Q E7 EMD Styling Drawing
Dated 4/48, Issue C with such and such colors referenced) would be a Wikopedia type effort.
Charlie Vlk


Charlie Vlk wrote:

> ... what we really [need] to get started is a
> database of the caliber of Mr. Maddox's Pullman Project.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and assume you meant me, Charlie.
But if Tom Maddox (QB: UCLA, Denver, Pittsburgh) has been working up
a Pullman database, please point me to it. :-)

There is almost no subjectivity in the Pullman database - it contains
facts directly transcribed from original Pullman records. I had to do
some interpretation (is that written number a "3" or a "5"?) and make
occasional inferences (the original truck data is missing for this
car, but every other car in that lot was delivered with 2410A trucks,
ergo...), but there wasn't a lot of opportunity to make subjective
judgements. Color interpretation is going to be chock full of
subjective judgements, for reasons that have been discussed at
excruciating length here on the STMFC.

Having said that, databases and other foundation documents seldom
originate in committees. They happen because someone (and it's almost
always one) decides to do it. And they keep at it until others
recognize the value of the undertaking and decide to contribute to
it. But it's that one person creating the framework that makes it all
happen. You start with curiosity, move up to "interest",
then "passion", and next thing you know you've committed all your
hobby time, energy and resources to it. You do need to stop
before "obsession", because that tends to scare people off!

Tom Madden


Re: Texaco Tank Car Fleet in 1950

Garth G. Groff <ggg9y@...>
 

George,

Sorry. I hit the wrong key. I have nothing solid to offer you, except that the silver Texaco cars date from the 1930s and were all black well before the 1950s.

Kind regards,


Garth G. Groff

George Hollwedel wrote:

Garth, that wasn't much help...

Prototype N Scale Models (TM)
by George Hollwedel
310 Loma Verde St
Buda, TX 78610-9785
512-796-6883
www.micro-trains.com/hollwedel.php


--- On Fri, 6/6/08, Garth G. Groff <ggg9y@...> wrote:


From: Garth G. Groff <ggg9y@...>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Texaco Tank Car Fleet in 1950
To: STMFC@...
Date: Friday, June 6, 2008, 11:38 AM
matthewjstrickland wrote:

Hi guys,

Can anyone tell me what period Texaco used the black
tank cars with
White Thick Block lettering of "TEXACO"?
From when to when?

Were these tanks cars 8000 or 10,000 gallon?

Also if you were putting together a fleet of tank cars
for Texaco in
1950 which tank cars were most likely to be seen?

Plain GATX? Silver TEXACO? Still some labelled THE
TEXAS COMPANY or
just simply labelled TCX? And what size?

Thanks for your help in advance

MATT


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Re: Texaco Tank Car Fleet in 1950

George Hollwedel
 

Garth, that wasn't much help...

Prototype N Scale Models (TM)
by George Hollwedel
310 Loma Verde St
Buda, TX 78610-9785
512-796-6883
www.micro-trains.com/hollwedel.php

--- On Fri, 6/6/08, Garth G. Groff <ggg9y@...> wrote:

From: Garth G. Groff <ggg9y@...>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Texaco Tank Car Fleet in 1950
To: STMFC@...
Date: Friday, June 6, 2008, 11:38 AM
matthewjstrickland wrote:
Hi guys,

Can anyone tell me what period Texaco used the black
tank cars with
White Thick Block lettering of "TEXACO"?
From when to when?

Were these tanks cars 8000 or 10,000 gallon?

Also if you were putting together a fleet of tank cars
for Texaco in
1950 which tank cars were most likely to be seen?

Plain GATX? Silver TEXACO? Still some labelled THE
TEXAS COMPANY or
just simply labelled TCX? And what size?

Thanks for your help in advance

MATT


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Re: Texaco Tank Car Fleet in 1950

Garth G. Groff <ggg9y@...>
 

matthewjstrickland wrote:

Hi guys,

Can anyone tell me what period Texaco used the black tank cars with White Thick Block lettering of "TEXACO"? From when to when?

Were these tanks cars 8000 or 10,000 gallon?

Also if you were putting together a fleet of tank cars for Texaco in 1950 which tank cars were most likely to be seen?

Plain GATX? Silver TEXACO? Still some labelled THE TEXAS COMPANY or just simply labelled TCX? And what size?

Thanks for your help in advance

MATT


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Texaco Tank Car Fleet in 1950

matt
 

Hi guys,

Can anyone tell me what period Texaco used the black tank cars with
White Thick Block lettering of "TEXACO"? From when to when?

Were these tanks cars 8000 or 10,000 gallon?

Also if you were putting together a fleet of tank cars for Texaco in
1950 which tank cars were most likely to be seen?

Plain GATX? Silver TEXACO? Still some labelled THE TEXAS COMPANY or
just simply labelled TCX? And what size?

Thanks for your help in advance

MATT


Re: J & L Steel and Koppers Coal Car Tank Cars

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi Larry and list members,

Looking at the P&LE HS web site at

http://www.plerrhs.org/store/BookShelf.pdf

It appears to me that maybe there might be a charge for S&H, but you didn't mention such in your post.

I'd like to order one of these. Larry - can you clarify if we need to include a separate S&H charge?

Thanks - Claus Schlund

-----Original Message-----
From: Larry Kline [mailto:lndkline@...]
Sent: Friday, June 6, 2008 07:32 AM
To: 'STMFC list'
Subject: [STMFC] Re: J & L Steel and Koppers Coal Car Tank Cars

Jamie Toman wrote:
Does anyone know were I could find out about J & L Steel and Koppers
Coal Car Tank Cars? I have one good pic of a J & L one, need some
more photos or info on them. I know 3RD Rail makes them in brass in O-
Scale. Did they have an "A" or "B" end markings or which end was it?
I know they had handbrakes on both ends.

The latest issue of the P&LE RR Historical Society magazine *The
Little Giant* includes an article with three 1958 photos of J&L coal
tar tankcar 1022 which was part of a derailment in 1958, color photo
of an indentified J&L coal tar tankcar, and the builder's photo that
was in the cyclopedias. These cars were painted black in the 1950s.

There are drawings for these cars in the April 1956 Model Railroader.

The magazine, Vol. 3 No. 3 is available from the Society store. Send
request for TLG V3 N3 and a check for $6.95 to:
P&LERRHS
PO Box 15512
Pittsburgh, PA 15244

Larry Kline
Pittsburgh, PA









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