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Re: Derailing a train

Tim O'Connor
 

Then the engineer would spot it! Didn't you see Von Ryan's Express? :-)

At 6/8/2008 10:25 AM Sunday, you wrote:
Neat film but that's not the way a sabeteur should wreck the track (assuming he has time). Spread the rails about a foot for one 30 ft. section. - Al Westerfield
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave Nelson
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2008 1:37 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Derailing a train


A pretty interesting video from WWII of a research project by the O.S.S. on
how hard it is to derail a train. Oh, would HO be so reliable....

http://www.realmilitaryflix.com/public/212.cfm?sd=61

Dave Nelson

Re: An L&N Boxcar?

milepost131 <sryn.dump@...>
 

Great picture. But doesn't it beg some of the questions I've been
watching on this discussion group?

While I'm not an L&N fanatic I must say that everyone needs to examine
that Southern Car- It's a Southern SU boxcar.

Looks like 154183. Hmmm an SU. Look real closely and you can see that
the build date would be 9/22 with Hutchins (early) ends and peaked
roof. No fascia.
Can't see that detail?
Can't be that I'm looking at info in a data base; NO WAY!; we know
there isn't one.
Gee I must have real good eye sight or access to Southern Railway info.
Of course, I already knew Westerfield made the HO model even though I
model in N scale (Guess who's building SU boxcars?).

So anyone who wants to know more about THAT Southern car can now find
it in this discussion group by just searching for that car number or
keyword Southern SU.

BTW, is that the correct Southern Railway Boxcar RED?
Hmmm I wonder what number that is and whether there has been a red
shift through the years in the original photo?

And were those the original trucks.

Great picture though. Anyone have a paint chip from that car in case I
want to decal one of mine with that number<g>?

Gordon

Re: Derailing a train

Kurt Laughlin <fleeta@...>
 

----- Original Message -----
From: Westerfield

Neat film but that's not the way a sabeteur should wreck the track (assuming he has time). Spread the rails about a foot for one 30 ft. section. - Al Westerfield
----- Original Message -----

Such as:

http://dotlibrary1.specialcollection.net/scripts/ws.dll?file&fn=6&name=*P%3A%5CDOT%5CRailroad%5CWEBSEARCH%5C2489.PDF

Any idea as to the types of gondolas used?

BTW, Polk-Clairborne RR likely ran between Ft Polk and Camp/Ft Clairborne in Lousiana.

KL

Re: Derailing a train

Westerfield <westerfield@...>
 

Neat film but that's not the way a sabeteur should wreck the track (assuming he has time). Spread the rails about a foot for one 30 ft. section. - Al Westerfield

----- Original Message -----
From: Dave Nelson
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2008 1:37 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Derailing a train


A pretty interesting video from WWII of a research project by the O.S.S. on
how hard it is to derail a train. Oh, would HO be so reliable....

http://www.realmilitaryflix.com/public/212.cfm?sd=61

Dave Nelson

Re: canned message

Larry Jackman <Ljack70117@...>
 

Anyone have a can opener?


Thank you
Larry Jackman
ljack70117@...
Boca Raton FL 33434
I want to die in my sleep like
my grandfather did, not screaming
like the other people in his car.

On Jun 8, 2008, at 8:29 AM, ArtGriffinDecals wrote:

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Re: An L&N Boxcar?

Donald B. Valentine
 

--- In STMFC@..., "benjaminfrank_hom" <b.hom@...> wrote:

Eric Hansmann wrote:
"I was trolling around the P&WV site and found a few great steam era
images. Here's one from July 1947. You can zoom in pretty easily to
see the weathered NYC and Southern boxcars behind the loco. Is that
an L&N boxcar before the edge of the picture? The letters aren't
quite distinct enough. If so, would anyone have an idea what number
series it is from? It seems like a DS rebuild."
http://www.thepwvhiline.com/BillPoellotJrsPWVAlbum/PWV_923_Web_001.htm
l

Most likely L&N 8000-8999, AC&F, built 1921 based on the ends.
These are NOT rebuilt DS boxcars - they retained their wood
sheathing throughout their service lives.

Ben Hom

What an absolutely superb photo! I'm always happy to see such
good quality color photos of any road in that period. It is
interesting to note that both the NYC and Southern car are
available from Al Westerfield in kit form. Can we expect the
L&N car anytime soon Al??????

Don Valentine

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ArtGriffinDecals <artgriffindecals@...>
 

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Re: canned message

SUVCWORR@...
 

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Ljack70117@... writes:

Anyone have a can opener?



Electric or manual?

Rich Orr



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Derailing a train

Dave Nelson
 

A pretty interesting video from WWII of a research project by the O.S.S. on
how hard it is to derail a train. Oh, would HO be so reliable....

http://www.realmilitaryflix.com/public/212.cfm?sd=61

Dave Nelson

Re: Texaco Tank Car Fleet in 1950

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Garth Groff wrote:
Sorry. I hit the wrong key. I have nothing solid to offer you, except that the silver Texaco cars date from the 1930s and were all black well before the 1950s.
Richard Hendrickson can add more to this topic when he returns tomorrow from his weekend excursion, but I think Garth's answer is incomplete. Texaco, like most oil companies, only used "fancy" schemes like the aluminum cars for consumer products delivered to local dealers, therefore only a fraction of their fleet was so painted. Most of their cars were ALWAYS black. I think Garth is right, though, that in the 1950s they ALL became black.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history

Changing the Subject Line (was Re: ADMIN messages)

benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
 

Walter Clark wrote:
"Good idea, Mike. The only problem is that I read and post from
Yahoo's website, where I have no control over the title at the top of a
thread. The only time I can choose what I want the subject to say is
when I start a new thread."

Absolutely NOT TRUE. I replied to your previous message from the STMFC
group website and was able to edit the subject line to what you see
above.


Ben Hom

Re: ADMIN messages

Walter M. Clark
 

--- In STMFC@..., "Mike Brock" <brockm@...> wrote:

It has been requested to me that members not use the term "ADMIN" in
the
subject line even when replying to an ADMIN message. I think thats a
good
idea because ADMIN messages should be read by the members and I
don't think
we should subject the members to more ADMIN messages than necessary.
Feel
free, however, to ask about a subject in the ADMIN subject line.
Hopefully
ADMIN messages will be few in number and should really only be used
to keep
the group functioning in as efficient manner as possible. The less
we see of
the judge the better...IMO.

Mike Brock
STMFC Owner
Good idea, Mike. The only problem is that I read and post from
Yahoo's website, where I have no control over the title at the top of
a thread. The only time I can choose what I want the subject to say
is when I start a new thread.

Time stopped in November 1941
Walter M. Clark
Pullman, Washington, USA

Re: An L&N Boxcar?

Eric Hansmann
 

--- Ben Hom wrote:

Most likely L&N 8000-8999, AC&F, built 1921 based on the ends. These
are NOT rebuilt DS boxcars - they retained their wood sheathing
throughout their service lives.
====================================



Thanks for the tip Ben. It was difficult to discern the box car
sheathing on that image. The reporting marks stumped me as well until I
realized it was L&N.

Eric Hansmann
Morgantown, W. Va.

Re: An L&N Boxcar?

benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
 

Eric Hansmann wrote:
"I was trolling around the P&WV site and found a few great steam era
images. Here's one from July 1947. You can zoom in pretty easily to see
the weathered NYC and Southern boxcars behind the loco. Is that an L&N
boxcar before the edge of the picture? The letters aren't quite
distinct enough. If so, would anyone have an idea what number series it
is from? It seems like a DS rebuild."
http://www.thepwvhiline.com/BillPoellotJrsPWVAlbum/PWV_923_Web_001.html

Most likely L&N 8000-8999, AC&F, built 1921 based on the ends. These
are NOT rebuilt DS boxcars - they retained their wood sheathing
throughout their service lives.


Ben Hom

An L&N Boxcar?

Eric Hansmann
 

I was trolling around the P&WV site and found a few great steam era images. Here's one from
July 1947. You can zoom in pretty easily to see the weathered NYC and Southern boxcars behind
the loco. Is that an L&N boxcar before the edge of the picture? The letters aren't quite
distinct enough. If so, would anyone have an idea what number series it is from? It seems like
a DS rebuild.

http://www.thepwvhiline.com/BillPoellotJrsPWVAlbum/PWV_923_Web_001.html

Love the three shades of color on these cars, plus the weathering.

Eric Hansmann
Morgantown, W. Va.

Brian Nolan DVD in Stock and Ready to Ship

smason22000 <smason2@...>
 

Hi folks,

My new DVD, "Building Craftsman Structure Kits, Volume 4 with Brian Nolan", is now in stock
and ready for immediate delivery. Those of you who are morally opposed to placing pre-
orders or just don't like to wait, can have a copy of this DVD within a few days. As always,
you can order from my website, or pay by bank or personal check. The cost of the DVD is
$29.95 plus postage.

Thanks,

Scott

Re: How about creating a model prototype database?

Tim O'Connor
 

Another note: If you open a GMAIL account, you can direct your
Yahoo mail (STMFC, etc) to that account. Then with Google Desktop
Search enabled on your Windows PC (or Mac?) Google will create a
search index that you can access at any time -- it's almost
instantaneous. Since the Desktop tool also indexes my hard drive,
I can search for something like "SP A-50-13" in about 2 seconds
and locate emails, gmails, text files, photos, etc. You can also
tell the Desktop search tool to index specific web sites (if you
have access, like RPI) and it will add that to your personal
search database. These free tools are incredibly powerful and
can save a lot of time.

Tim O'Connor

NOT ADMIN messages

jerryglow2
 

That's a good idea Mike - I hope everyone co-operates.

Jerry Glow

--- In STMFC@..., "Mike Brock" <brockm@...> wrote:

It has been requested to me that members not use the term "ADMIN"
in the
subject line even when replying to an ADMIN message. I think thats
a good
idea because ADMIN messages should be read by the members and I
don't think
we should subject the members to more ADMIN messages than
necessary. Feel
free, however, to ask about a subject in the ADMIN subject line.
Hopefully
ADMIN messages will be few in number and should really only be used
to keep
the group functioning in as efficient manner as possible. The less
we see of
the judge the better...IMO.

Mike Brock
STMFC Owner

Re: How about creating a model prototype database?

Tim O'Connor
 

There is already such a database. It's called the INTERNET.

The STMFC archives as well as ALL Yahoo groups are downloadable
to your hard drive with a tool called "PG Offline" and you can
then make sophisticated search requests (e.g. find 'this' plus
'that' but not 'those') locally.

There are HUNDREDS of web sites with prototype information,
modeling information, photographs, spreadsheets, lists, drawings,
you name it.

I only got serious about prototype models 15 years ago -- and I
think we only started the STMFC about 10 +/- years ago. Almost
everything I know, I've learned from friends, books, magazines,
emails, web site resources, and my small collection of photos,
and my digital scans (about 45,000 downloaded images).

As Marty says, it takes TIME and EFFORT and MONEY and no one
is obligated to package it up for someone else's instant
gratification.

Tim O'Connor

Re: How about creating a model prototype database?

Steve Lucas <stevelucas3@...>
 

Marty, I took absolutely no offence to your or Schyuler's postings.
I didn't FEEL at all that I was being "picked on". And I don't
recall asking for a database to be set up, but I'd gladly contribute
to it if one was.

I model a location in Eastern Ontario that, for a railway line in
Canada, saw many US freight cars hauling grain, locomotive coal, and
home heating coal. Even MDT reefers loaded with potatoes. So I find
myself modelling many of those roads' cars. ATSF raised-roof steel-
frame boxcars, NYC USRA boxcars, IC, L&N, Southern, and many Eastern
US roads' hopper cars, B&O M-53's, Georgia RR USRA steel-side rebuild
boxcars, LV "wrong-way" boxcars, just to name a few off the top of my
head. And I see myself modelling many more US roads' cars yet,
breaking me from a diet of CN 40' steel and steel-frame boxcars that
I always seem to be working on.

I'd imagine that you and Richard Hendrickson must get many broad
requests for info on the roads that you both are very knowledgeable
of. For someone to make that broad e-mail enquiry of you about "CV
freight cars of the '50s" or want you to tell them everything about
the CV Essex Junction--White River Junction line--that's a bit much.
They really should get out and do some research to at least winnow
their request down to specific group of cars, or go to White River
Junction for starters--that can be as much fun as modelling! And
IMHO, having a computer and paying an ISP means that one has the
ability to surf the web. Anything else--make an informed query very,
very, nicely, once and wait for an answer.

BTW, I have to model one of those CV steel-frame 40' cars
eventually. ;)

All the best,

Steve Lucas.

--- In STMFC@..., "cvsne"
<mjmcguirk@...> wrote:

Steve,

You seem to think I was picking on you which certainly wasn't my
intent.

To clarify - I wasn't attempting to suggest that you not ask a
question of the list. My reply was regarding the comment that
people
make on this list on an almost annual basis suggesting "we" - being
the members of this list - create some sort of massive database
where
they can locate whatever they want to know about steam era freight
cars.

Someone suggested this be a "wiki" - my point was to show we
discussed
that very idea 2 years ago, in detail. To date nothing has been
done
to create it - and I'm not in the least surprised by that since the
people who have the knowledge and resources to create these detailed
Wiki entries on each railroad have other things to do with their
time.

My comment reflects one pet peeve I have. I know how many
questions I
get on a monthly basis on Central Vermont items - I can't imagine
how
many Richard Hendrickson gets for the Santa Fe. I have no problem
answering the questions for folks, but over time my initial answers
to
inquiries have gotten more curt -- I don't' have the time to do all
the research and modeling I want to do for myself and spending time
replying to fishing expedition questions ("Tell me about CV freight
cars in the 1950s" and "I'm interested in building a layout based on
the CV between White River Junction and Essex Junction - can you
tell
me about the traffic, track arrangements, locomotives, and
schedules"
are two actual examples of questions I've received in the past
year.

These are examples of poorly asked questions - they simply aren't
specific enough. The only way to answer them is very broadly, a
lengthly tome, or to suggest the person spends some time researching
things and asking specific, targeted questions. I actually enjoy
researching and answering those.

Another pet peeve is the idea some folks have that simply by paying
an
ISP and getting a computer they have some sort of right to expect to
get information that I've spent years (and not an inconsiderable sum
of money) accumulating . . . but I won't go into that any further.

Marty