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Re: An L&N Boxcar?

Donald B. Valentine
 

--- In STMFC@..., "benjaminfrank_hom" <b.hom@...> wrote:

Eric Hansmann wrote:
"I was trolling around the P&WV site and found a few great steam era
images. Here's one from July 1947. You can zoom in pretty easily to
see the weathered NYC and Southern boxcars behind the loco. Is that
an L&N boxcar before the edge of the picture? The letters aren't
quite distinct enough. If so, would anyone have an idea what number
series it is from? It seems like a DS rebuild."
http://www.thepwvhiline.com/BillPoellotJrsPWVAlbum/PWV_923_Web_001.htm
l

Most likely L&N 8000-8999, AC&F, built 1921 based on the ends.
These are NOT rebuilt DS boxcars - they retained their wood
sheathing throughout their service lives.

Ben Hom

What an absolutely superb photo! I'm always happy to see such
good quality color photos of any road in that period. It is
interesting to note that both the NYC and Southern car are
available from Al Westerfield in kit form. Can we expect the
L&N car anytime soon Al??????

Don Valentine

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Larry Jackman <Ljack70117@...>
 

Anyone have a can opener?


Thank you
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I want to die in my sleep like
my grandfather did, not screaming
like the other people in his car.

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Re: Derailing a train

Westerfield <westerfield@...>
 

Neat film but that's not the way a sabeteur should wreck the track (assuming he has time). Spread the rails about a foot for one 30 ft. section. - Al Westerfield

----- Original Message -----
From: Dave Nelson
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2008 1:37 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Derailing a train


A pretty interesting video from WWII of a research project by the O.S.S. on
how hard it is to derail a train. Oh, would HO be so reliable....

http://www.realmilitaryflix.com/public/212.cfm?sd=61

Dave Nelson

Re: Derailing a train

Kurt Laughlin <fleeta@...>
 

----- Original Message -----
From: Westerfield

Neat film but that's not the way a sabeteur should wreck the track (assuming he has time). Spread the rails about a foot for one 30 ft. section. - Al Westerfield
----- Original Message -----

Such as:

http://dotlibrary1.specialcollection.net/scripts/ws.dll?file&fn=6&name=*P%3A%5CDOT%5CRailroad%5CWEBSEARCH%5C2489.PDF

Any idea as to the types of gondolas used?

BTW, Polk-Clairborne RR likely ran between Ft Polk and Camp/Ft Clairborne in Lousiana.

KL

Re: An L&N Boxcar?

milepost131 <sryn.dump@...>
 

Great picture. But doesn't it beg some of the questions I've been
watching on this discussion group?

While I'm not an L&N fanatic I must say that everyone needs to examine
that Southern Car- It's a Southern SU boxcar.

Looks like 154183. Hmmm an SU. Look real closely and you can see that
the build date would be 9/22 with Hutchins (early) ends and peaked
roof. No fascia.
Can't see that detail?
Can't be that I'm looking at info in a data base; NO WAY!; we know
there isn't one.
Gee I must have real good eye sight or access to Southern Railway info.
Of course, I already knew Westerfield made the HO model even though I
model in N scale (Guess who's building SU boxcars?).

So anyone who wants to know more about THAT Southern car can now find
it in this discussion group by just searching for that car number or
keyword Southern SU.

BTW, is that the correct Southern Railway Boxcar RED?
Hmmm I wonder what number that is and whether there has been a red
shift through the years in the original photo?

And were those the original trucks.

Great picture though. Anyone have a paint chip from that car in case I
want to decal one of mine with that number<g>?

Gordon

Re: Derailing a train

Tim O'Connor
 

Then the engineer would spot it! Didn't you see Von Ryan's Express? :-)

At 6/8/2008 10:25 AM Sunday, you wrote:
Neat film but that's not the way a sabeteur should wreck the track (assuming he has time). Spread the rails about a foot for one 30 ft. section. - Al Westerfield
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave Nelson
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2008 1:37 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Derailing a train


A pretty interesting video from WWII of a research project by the O.S.S. on
how hard it is to derail a train. Oh, would HO be so reliable....

http://www.realmilitaryflix.com/public/212.cfm?sd=61

Dave Nelson

Re: Derailing a train

Don Worthy
 

I want to thank the guy for posting the link to this site. I've already enjoyed watching several clips of the Korean War.
Thanks again for the link. I don't know how you find them...
Don Worthy
Ivey, Ga.

--- On Sun, 6/8/08, Tim O'Connor <@timboconnor> wrote:

From: Tim O'Connor <@timboconnor>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Derailing a train
To: STMFC@...
Date: Sunday, June 8, 2008, 11:33 AM







Then the engineer would spot it! Didn't you see Von Ryan's Express? :-)

At 6/8/2008 10:25 AM Sunday, you wrote:
Neat film but that's not the way a sabeteur should wreck the track (assuming he has time). Spread the rails about a foot for one 30 ft. section. - Al Westerfield
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave Nelson
To: STMFC@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2008 1:37 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Derailing a train


A pretty interesting video from WWII of a research project by the O.S.S. on
how hard it is to derail a train. Oh, would HO be so reliable....

http://www.realmili taryflix. com/public/ 212.cfm?sd= 61

Dave Nelson

Re: Derailing a train

Dave D <dcwebguy@...>
 

That was interesting but I wounder how those test would have turned out if they did the test on a curve.

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My Model Railroad Site:
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Dave

----- Original Message ----
From: Dave Nelson <Lake_Muskoka@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Sunday, June 8, 2008 2:37:47 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Derailing a train


A pretty interesting video from WWII of a research project by the O.S.S. on
how hard it is to derail a train. Oh, would HO be so reliable....

http://www.realmili taryflix. com/public/ 212.cfm?sd= 61

Dave Nelson






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Re: An L&N Boxcar?

Steve Lucas <stevelucas3@...>
 

It certainly reminds me of many questions put forth on STMFC in the
past weeek or so. And all in a very nice set of photos, too. I am
amazed by just how dirty and faded many steam-era cars were--this is
shown very well in the first photo. Today's freight cars seem to go
through a wash rack every trip by comparison.

Keep this up, and I'll be looking at modelling yet more cars, which
can't be all bad. Which begs the way-OT question--will I ever expand
my layout if I keep building more STMFC's? :)

Thanks for the link.

Steve Lucas.

--- In STMFC@..., "milepost131" <sryn.dump@...> wrote:


Great picture. But doesn't it beg some of the questions I've been
watching on this discussion group?

While I'm not an L&N fanatic I must say that everyone needs to
examine
that Southern Car- It's a Southern SU boxcar.

Looks like 154183. Hmmm an SU. Look real closely and you can see
that
the build date would be 9/22 with Hutchins (early) ends and peaked
roof. No fascia.
Can't see that detail?
Can't be that I'm looking at info in a data base; NO WAY!; we know
there isn't one.
Gee I must have real good eye sight or access to Southern Railway
info.
Of course, I already knew Westerfield made the HO model even though
I
model in N scale (Guess who's building SU boxcars?).

So anyone who wants to know more about THAT Southern car can now
find
it in this discussion group by just searching for that car number
or
keyword Southern SU.

BTW, is that the correct Southern Railway Boxcar RED?
Hmmm I wonder what number that is and whether there has been a red
shift through the years in the original photo?

And were those the original trucks.

Great picture though. Anyone have a paint chip from that car in
case I
want to decal one of mine with that number<g>?

Gordon

Re: grab irons

George Hollwedel
 

www.blmamodels.com


Prototype N Scale Models (TM)
by George Hollwedel
310 Loma Verde St
Buda, TX 78610-9785
512-796-6883
www.micro-trains.com/hollwedel.php

--- On Sun, 6/8/08, Eric Hiser <ehiser@...> wrote:

From: Eric Hiser <ehiser@...>
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Re: grab irons
To: STMFC@...
Date: Sunday, June 8, 2008, 11:57 AM
Does BLMA have a web presence or other contact info so we
can see what they
have on offer [for our steam era freight cars]?

Eric Hiser
Phoenix, AZ

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
On Behalf Of
@timboconnor
Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 1:07 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: grab irons

There are several vendors who offer HO grab irons in steel,
brass
or copper alloy. I think they are all .010 to .012. The
BLMA grabs will
go onto the "museum quality" models but for the
rest, it's not worth
the cost.

BLMA makes a nice grab iron placement jig too. Very
important if
you're using scale grabs!

Tim

-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Dave D <dcwebguy@...>
I just got some Tichy Train grab irons and they seem
nice I just haven't
used
them yet. They are much better price then the BLMA
versions.

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Re: grab irons

Eric Hiser <ehiser@...>
 

Does BLMA have a web presence or other contact info so we can see what they
have on offer [for our steam era freight cars]?

Eric Hiser
Phoenix, AZ

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of
@timboconnor
Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 1:07 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: grab irons

There are several vendors who offer HO grab irons in steel, brass
or copper alloy. I think they are all .010 to .012. The BLMA grabs will
go onto the "museum quality" models but for the rest, it's not worth
the cost.

BLMA makes a nice grab iron placement jig too. Very important if
you're using scale grabs!

Tim

-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Dave D <dcwebguy@...>
I just got some Tichy Train grab irons and they seem nice I just haven't
used
them yet. They are much better price then the BLMA versions.
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Re: Derailing a train

Ray Meyer
 

I think the guys who derailed the Sunset Limited had it right - remove all
the spikes from an outside section of a curve and let the centripetal force
of the train spread the rails and derail it.

On Sun, Jun 8, 2008 at 10:33 AM, Tim O'Connor <@timboconnor>
wrote:


Then the engineer would spot it! Didn't you see Von Ryan's Express? :-)

At 6/8/2008 10:25 AM Sunday, you wrote:
Neat film but that's not the way a sabeteur should wreck the track
(assuming he has time). Spread the rails about a foot for one 30 ft.
section. - Al Westerfield
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave Nelson
To: STMFC@... <STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2008 1:37 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Derailing a train


A pretty interesting video from WWII of a research project by the O.S.S.
on
how hard it is to derail a train. Oh, would HO be so reliable....

http://www.realmilitaryflix.com/public/212.cfm?sd=61

Dave Nelson



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jerryglow2
 

That is NOT true. You can change the title just like I did here from
the web site where I read my STMFC and most Yahoo Groups. Just put the
cursor back up to the title line and type to your heart's content.

Jerry Glow

--- In STMFC@..., "wmcclark1980" <walterclark@...> wrote:


Good idea, Mike. The only problem is that I read and post from
Yahoo's website, where I have no control over the title at the top of
a thread. The only time I can choose what I want the subject to say
is when I start a new thread.

Time stopped in November 1941
Walter M. Clark
Pullman, Washington, USA

Re: Derailing a train

Tim O'Connor
 

careful, Big Brother is listening...

At 6/8/2008 01:31 PM Sunday, you wrote:
I think the guys who derailed the Sunset Limited had it right - remove all
the spikes from an outside section of a curve and let the centripetal force
of the train spread the rails and derail it.

Web Add for BLMA models

gary laakso
 

They are at www.BLMAmodels.com

gary laakso
south of Mike Brock

----- Original Message -----
From: Eric Hiser
To: STMFC@...
Sent: 6/8/2008 12:52:40 PM
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Re: grab irons


Does BLMA have a web presence or other contact info so we can see what they
have on offer [for our steam era freight cars]?

Eric Hiser
Phoenix, AZ

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of
@timboconnor
Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 1:07 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: grab irons

There are several vendors who offer HO grab irons in steel, brass
or copper alloy. I think they are all .010 to .012. The BLMA grabs will
go onto the "museum quality" models but for the rest, it's not worth
the cost.

BLMA makes a nice grab iron placement jig too. Very important if
you're using scale grabs!

Tim

-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Dave D <dcwebguy@...>
I just got some Tichy Train grab irons and they seem nice I just haven't
used
them yet. They are much better price then the BLMA versions.
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Re: An L&N Boxcar?

Bruce Smith
 

On Sun, June 8, 2008 11:29 am, Steve Lucas wrote:
It certainly reminds me of many questions put forth on STMFC in the
past weeek or so. And all in a very nice set of photos, too. I am
amazed by just how dirty and faded many steam-era cars were--this is
shown very well in the first photo. Today's freight cars seem to go
through a wash rack every trip by comparison.
This is another excellent piece of evidence that during and just after
(and this photo is about 2 years after) the end of WWII there were a lot
of very weathered cars on the railroads. Of course, there is another 1947
photo later in the group that shows a nearly new Milwaukee Road rib side
car, so as always, there is some variation.

Regards
Bruce

Bruce Smith
Auburn, Al

Re: Derailing a train

Spen Kellogg <spenkell@...>
 

Ray Meyer wrote:
I think the guys who derailed the Sunset Limited had it right - remove all
the spikes from an outside section of a curve and let the centripetal force
of the train spread the rails and derail it.
I understand that during the Civil War the Confederate troops removed the inside rail on a curve. The approaching engineer saw the missing rail and noticed Confederate troops waiting on either side of the track. Realizing what had been done, he applied full throttle so as to force more weight on the outside wheels of the engine and freight cars (mandatory freight car content) and went roaring past. Once they had safely passed the missing rail the fireman, who had been a little nervous about the whole thing, climbed up onto the tender and took a long pull on his bottle with the frustrated Confederate troops watching.

Regards, Spen Kellogg

Re: Derailing a train

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Spen Kellogg wrote:
I understand that during the Civil War the Confederate troops removed the inside rail on a curve. The approaching engineer saw the missing rail and noticed Confederate troops waiting on either side of the track. Realizing what had been done, he applied full throttle so as to force
more weight on the outside wheels . . . Once they had safely passed the missing rail the fireman, who had been a little nervous about the whole thing, climbed up onto the tender and took a long pull on his bottle with the frustrated Confederate troops watching.
An interesting story, but one may wonder why, if the object was to wreck the train, the troops at trackside didn't merely shoot the engineer and fireman. Confederate troops in general were good marksmen, so this story has a bit of the ring of an "urban legend." Or maybe it should be termed a "Civil War legend," of which there are many already.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history

MP 35825-36174

Brian J Carlson <brian@...>
 

I'm working on a model of one of the MP cars, 40 ft car 8 ft door, in the
above series. What roofwalk were applied to these cars, and what trucks were
installed?
Brian J Carlson P.E.
Cheektowaga NY

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Tom Madden <tgmadden@...>
 

That is NOT true. You can change the title just like I did here
from the web site where I read my STMFC and most Yahoo Groups. Just
put the cursor back up to the title line and type to your heart's
content.

Jerry Glow
Yes, Jerry, you can certainly change the subject line, but Mr. Clark
was referring to the thread header. That's uneditable, and your post
will remain in the same thread regardless of subject line changes. The
only way to get it into a new thread is to create a new post instead of
a reply.

Tom Madden