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Re: Swift's Brookfield Butter "Meat" Reefer

Donald B. Valentine
 

--- In STMFC@..., rickstern845215 <rstern1@...> wrote:

Atlas has in their HO line a meat reefer decorated for Swift and the
lettering for "Brookfield Butter". I'm aware that Swift owned a
dairy/breakfast (eggs, milk, butter, etc.) products firm called
Brookfield, but I don't know if they had any special cars for
transporting dairy prodcuts.

Can anyone tell me ...

* Were these cars used for transporting meat, or dairy products.
E.g., was this just another of Swift's many advertising "sides"
used on
their meat cars? * What was the time period when these cars were
active. I have found collectibles on the web for Swift's Brookfield
subsidiary from before WWII, but not after. * What parts of the
country might these cars have operated?

The problem with the Atlas meat reefer is that it was an odd
design used primarily by the Cudahy Packing Co. and very few, if any,
other meat packers, even though constructed by General American. The
most unusual, and distinguishing, feature of the car is the use of
only two hinges on each half of the door rather than the usual three.

I'd be VERY surprised to find that Swift ever used any of these
oddities. Your best bet for good Swift reefers are those Marty Lofton
offered in his Sunshine line of resin kits. Good models of meat
reefers in injection molded cars are hard to come by. Other than the
Mather meat reefers in the Red Caboose or InterMountain line I cannot
think of a single injection molded model of a meat reefer that the
majority on this list would accept without a considerable reworking.

Don Valentine

Re: GARX car in Monon, IN

Roger Hinman <rhinman@...>
 

Interesting, a modern day kitbash. I'll be travelling in that area
later this summer and I
think I'll have a look

Thanks for ID'ing the location

Roger Hinman

On Jun 12, 2008, at 11:01 AM, Mont Switzer wrote:

Bob,

The car is located about 5 miles north of town at The Monon
Connection restaurant and museum. Excellent food and a museum worth
an afternoon of one's time.

The museum got the car body out of a nearby barn and mounted it on
the underframe that you see in the photo for display purposes. They
are not one and the same.

Mont Switzer

rwitt_2000 <rmwitt@...> wrote:

Roger Hinman wrote:

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=825673

Anyone know where in Monon this car is located???
Does anyone want to speculate about the origins of this reefer. The
heavy fishbelly underframe looks like some of the reefers built for
Swift and Company.

Bob Witt




Can you buy just Sunshine Decals?

parkcitybranch <parkcitybranch@...>
 

I have some SP B-50-15'S from challenger that I want to strip and
repaint into the pre 1946 lettering. Can I buy just the decals from
Challenger to do these cars? Anyone know off hand. Thanks.

Jason Sanford

Re: Naperville 2008...

Mike Brock <brockm@...>
 

Tom Olsen writes:

"Over the past several years, a number of the attendees tried booking for the meet through the 800 number only to be told that there were no rooms available and that they would have to book at the higher rate.

This is an old trick with many hotel central reservations people. Unfortunately, the 800 people never talk to the hotel people and just overbook to fill up the rooms at the higher rates."

I can only speak for Hilton 800 operators and their relationship to the hotel. At Cocoa Beach we will book about 100 rooms for Friday and 100 for Sat with lessor numbers for other nights. When the number of rooms for a given night is exceeded, the 800 operator cannot extend the room block and, therefore, cannot give the event's room rate. Only the hotel room guru can do that and...typically [ for some reason ]...the problem occurs on the 2 weekends before the meet at which time the hotel room guru is not at work. I CAN, however, change any room rate to our meet's rate...even on the day of the meet. Hence, I always tell attendees that, if they cannot get the advertised room rate, take whatever is offered [ a single room...not a suite ] even if $1000, let me know and I'll change it to our rate. The only case in which a room will not be available is if all rooms are sold. I might note that this situation occurs every yr. You might ask...why not just take a 125 room block? The reason is that we really don't know how many rooms we'll need and the hotel cannot sell any of those rooms so they prefer to not tie up the rooms. AS the date of the meet approaches we'll ramp up the number blocked by from 10-20 rooms a couple of times.

I only know of one or two cases in which rooms were available in our block and they were not offered to an attendee. In both cases, I tested the waters myself and had no problem booking a room...almost. I believe the problem was due to the attendee using an incorrect name of the event OR the 800 operastor simply not getting the proper list of events.

Mike Brock...FWIW dept.

Re: Swift's Brookfield Butter "Meat" Reefer

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Cyril Durrenberger wrote:
What book is being referenced here?
Cyril, it's a forthcoming book entitled "Billboard Refrigerator Cars," by Richard Hendrickson and Ed Kaminski. We are publishing it later this summer. There's a brief blurb on our web site (URL below) under "Forthcoming Titles."

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history

Re: Can you buy just Sunshine Decals?

Paul Lyons
 

Jason,



Challenger has been out of business for several years! Why don't you use the Microscale set made for these cars?



Paul Lyons

Laguna Niguel, CA

-----Original Message-----
From: parkcitybranch <parkcitybranch@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 2:58 pm
Subject: [STMFC] Can you buy just Sunshine Decals?







I have some SP B-50-15'S from challenger that I want to strip and
repaint into the pre 1946 lettering. Can I buy just the decals from
Challenger to do these cars? Anyone know off hand. Thanks.

Jason Sanford

Re: Can you buy just Sunshine Decals?

Jason Sanford <parkcitybranch@...>
 

I did not know there was a microscale set.&nbsp; Thanks Paul.
&nbsp;
I know Challenger is out of business so good thing I already have all the cars.&nbsp; Hopefully I am not upsetting the model railroad gods by stripping their factory paint.
&nbsp;
&nbsp;
Jason

--- On Thu, 6/12/08, cobrapsl@... <cobrapsl@...> wrote:

From: cobrapsl@... <cobrapsl@...>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Can you buy just Sunshine Decals?
To: STMFC@...
Date: Thursday, June 12, 2008, 4:11 PM

Jason,



Challenger has been out of business for several years! Why don't you use
the Microscale set made for these cars?



Paul Lyons

Laguna Niguel, CA


-----Original Message-----
From: parkcitybranch <parkcitybranch@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 2:58 pm
Subject: [STMFC] Can you buy just Sunshine Decals?







I have some SP B-50-15'S from challenger that I want to strip and
repaint into the pre 1946 lettering. Can I buy just the decals from
Challenger to do these cars? Anyone know off hand. Thanks.

Jason Sanford









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Re: Can you buy just Sunshine Decals?

Jason Sanford <parkcitybranch@...>
 

Which set do I need.&nbsp; I see they offer a set for the B-50-13 and B-50-14's but I do not see the B-50-15's.&nbsp; I need a set to do the steel side rebuilds.&nbsp; Thanks.
&nbsp;
Jason Sanford

--- On Thu, 6/12/08, cobrapsl@... <cobrapsl@...> wrote:

From: cobrapsl@... <cobrapsl@...>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Can you buy just Sunshine Decals?
To: STMFC@...
Date: Thursday, June 12, 2008, 4:11 PM

Jason,



Challenger has been out of business for several years! Why don't you use
the Microscale set made for these cars?



Paul Lyons

Laguna Niguel, CA

Re: Can you buy just Sunshine Decals?

Tim O'Connor
 

The best decals for SP box cars are made by Rick Leach, but I don't know
if he makes these particular cars in HO. Most of his decals are O scale or
I should say, Proto:48 scale.

-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Jason Sanford <parkcitybranch@...>
Which set do I need.&nbsp; I see they offer a set for the B-50-13 and B-50-14's
but I do not see the B-50-15's.&nbsp; I need a set to do the steel side
rebuilds.&nbsp; Thanks.
&nbsp;
Jason Sanford

Re: "Lemons" into lemonade

Tim O'Connor
 

As someone said, it depends on your era. I don't think many of these
cars would have been repainted before 1960. Over on the BBFCL we
could discuss your options for the future.... :-)

Tim O'Connor

-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "spsalso" <Edwardsutorik@...>

So you are wondering who owned welded 40ft AAR box cars with
8 ft Superior doors? Other than the road names (e.g. Reading) that
Red Caboose has already done?
Well, sort of. Red Caboose describes RC-8900 as an AC&F 40' welded
box with IH of 10'6", 4-3-1 ends, and 8' doors (they supply both
"Youngstown" and "Superior"). They have the cars lettered for Maine
Central, WP, Wabash, and RI. I'd like to do something different--
either a different road or a different paint scheme for the listed
four.

I thought that one or more of the WP/RI cars might have made it into
UP, but so far I haven't found any.

Ed Sutorik

Re: "Lemons" into lemonade

laramielarry <ostresh@...>
 

--- In STMFC@..., "spsalso" <Edwardsutorik@...> wrote:


So you are wondering who owned welded 40ft AAR box cars with
8 ft Superior doors? Other than the road names (e.g. Reading) that
Red Caboose has already done?
Well, sort of. Red Caboose describes RC-8900 as an AC&F 40' welded
box with IH of 10'6", 4-3-1 ends, and 8' doors (they supply both
"Youngstown" and "Superior"). They have the cars lettered for
Maine
Central, WP, Wabash, and RI.

Ed Sutorik
Hi Ed

No cars with those dimensions in the road names you mention (MEC, WP,
Wabash, RI) are listed in any ORER up to July 1950. This is not
surprising since the earliest build date that Red Caboose gives for
these welded box models is 9-57 (MEC).

EJ&E, GTW, NJI&I, RDG, SA, SEABOARD, SLSF, and SOUTHERN all had steel
cars with IL 40'6", IH 10'6", door 8'0", but it is doubtful they were
welded.

Best wishes,
Larry Ostresh
Laramie, Wyoming

Re: "Lemons" into lemonade

spsalso
 

I figured 40' box=steam; but that's sorta maybe not true. I'm pretty
sure the cars I'm working with were built in the late fifties and may
have gone into the '80's, so I'll try BBFCL. It's a new group for me,
but it's nice to meet new friends. I might bring it up on MFCL, but
I've gotta check their "time span" first. Anyway, thanks to all for
your guidance on this.

Ed Sutorik

Re: Can you buy just Sunshine Decals?

Jim & Lisa Hayes <jimandlisa97225@...>
 

Or you could buy Sunshine decals as the subject of your query asks. Sunshine
sells kits for more than two dozen variations of the B-50-15. My check has
been cashed so I'm expecting delivery of 2 of them in next 2 or 3 weeks.
Then I can probably give you more info on what's included on the decals. I
think they are 2-color decals. Sunshine decals sell for $3 for one color, $4
for two color, and $5 for three color, shipping free. To see what kits are
offered and which decals you might want to order see my website
www.sunshinekits.com <http://www.sunshinekits.com/> then select the Current
Price List link and click on Main Price List. The B-50-15s are at the bottom
of page 7 and top of page 8.

I plan to release an enhancement of my Sunshine site on Saturday and I'll be
sure the B-50-15 flyers are available for your perusal.

Jim Hayes
Portland Oregon

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Re: GARX car in Monon, IN

rwitt_2000
 

Richard Hendrickson wrote:

On Jun 12, 2008, at 9:28 AM, timboconnor@... wrote:

Well, gee, Bob, it looks like a Kingan & Co reefer to me. :-)
Sunshine
did a model for at least one Kingan reefer...




In fact, it was built, owned, and operated by General American under
GARX reporting marks and leased to Kingan at the time it was taken
out of service. The side sill tabs identify it as having been built
in the 1930s with a Duryea cushion underframe. I have several in-
service photos of these cars.

Richard Hendrickson
Richard,

Thank you, I assume that Kingan & Co. also owned and operated reefers
with their reporting marks.

I believe I have one photo from Bob's, but I will have to check.

Regards,

Bob Witt

Re: "Lemons" into lemonade

Tim O'Connor
 

Possible candidates -- welded 40' AAR box cars

RI 27200- 27349 blt 10/1960 ACF 8' door
NJI&I 100- 149 blt 1950 ? 8' door
NJI&I 150- 199 blt ? ? 8' door
WABASH 90000- 90349 blt 6/1960 ACF 8' door
WABASH 90350- 90549 blt 7/1960 ACF 8' door
RDG 109000-109399 blt 1956 ACF 8' door
L&N 46000- 46099 blt 11/1960 ACF 8' door
L&N 46800- 46899 blt 6/1960 ACF 8' door
MEC 8400- 8599 blt 1957 ACF 8' door
WM 4201- 4450 blt 1953 ACF 8' door
WP 3421- 3422 blt 1960 ACF 8' door

Red Caboose did --

RI 59xx -- wrong ends! should be 27200 series
WABASH 900xx -- ok
RDG 109xxx -- ok

There were a number of prototypes with "carbuilder"
or "dartnot" ends with welded sides and 8' doors. I
don't have complete rosters for every railroad so there
are probably others I missed.

Tim O'Connor

EJ&E, GTW, NJI&I, RDG, SA, SEABOARD, SLSF, and SOUTHERN all had steel
cars with IL 40'6", IH 10'6", door 8'0", but it is doubtful they were
welded.

Best wishes,
Larry Ostresh

Red Caboose TW class CDLX wine car Fruit Industries

Mark
 

I purchased this kit over ten years ago. Wondering if these ran into
the mid fifties.

Searched the messages and did not find anything about these.

Sincerely, Mark Morgan

Pacific Electric G-50-13 GB Gondola brake system

Walter M. Clark
 

Group,

In 1929 the Southern Pacific built 65 class G-50-13 GB gondolas,
fifteen of which went to the Pacific Electric. I've looked at all the
photos in Tony Thompson's Southern Pacific Freight Cars, Volume One,
Gondolas and Stock Cars, and there are only photos of the Southern
Pacific cars. Since the PE had such tight curves it used a special
outside-of-the-B-end-truck chain linkage from the brake shaft to the
KC brake via an extra lever on its B-50-13 and B-50-14 box cars. Does
anyone know if the same brake linkage was used on the G-50-13? I have
a few of Martin Lofton's B-50-13 PE box cars with the extra brake
parts and would like to use one set on the PE G-50-13 kit I got from
Ted Culotta.

I think it would be a reasonable thing to do, but I'd like to know for
sure before the Prototype Police raid my workshop <g>.

Time stopped in November 1941
Walter M. Clark
Pullman, Washington, USA

Re: Pacific Electric G-50-13 GB Gondola brake system

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Walter Clark wrote:
In 1929 the Southern Pacific built 65 class G-50-13 GB gondolas, fifteen of which went to the Pacific Electric. I've looked at all the photos in Tony Thompson's Southern Pacific Freight Cars, Volume One, Gondolas and Stock Cars, and there are only photos of the Southern Pacific cars. Since the PE had such tight curves it used a special outside-of-the-B-end-truck chain linkage from the brake shaft to the KC brake via an extra lever on its B-50-13 and B-50-14 box cars. Does anyone know if the same brake linkage was used on the G-50-13?
I have just checked, and the car ledgers make no mention of any difference in brake gear for the PE cars which came to SP in 1951. They do mention, as with all the original home-built cars, that brake gear was "second hand." This does not prove anything either way.

I think it would be a reasonable thing to do, but I'd like to know for sure before the Prototype Police raid my workshop <g>.
No, no. As Richard Hendrickson has pointed out, the motto of the Prototype Police is "To Serve and Correct." No raids, just information <g>.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history

Re: Pacific Electric G-50-13 GB Gondola brake system

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Jun 12, 2008, at 9:36 PM, Anthony Thompson wrote:

Walter Clark wrote:

[snip]

I think it would be a reasonable thing to do, but I'd like to
know for
sure before the Prototype Police raid my workshop <g>.
No, no. As Richard Hendrickson has pointed out, the motto of the
Prototype Police is "To Serve and Correct." No raids, just information
<g>.








That policy could change, of course, if the PP received evidence of a
flagrant violation. However, PP enforcement efforts tend to be
focussed more locally now that it is, shall we say, unwise to pass
through airport security with a phony badge.

Richard Hendrickson

Re: Swift's Brookfield Butter "Meat" Reefer

George R. Stilwell, Jr. <GRSJr@...>
 

Do you include the Atlas-O Swift wood side reefer in your list of poor renditions?
It does have the 2 hinge doors and looks quite authentic to me. It even has the more common red-painted roof rather than the worn-ouy and repainted black roof.

Ray Stilwell