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Re: Micro Mark Deluxe Decal Finishing System

Lawrence Rast
 

Many thanks for the responses. I'll give this a shot.

Best,
Lawrence

On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 12:26 PM, <@timboconnor> wrote:
Rick

Just to set the record straight, I do not use Micro Super Film. I have
only used the Microscale product, and I have not experienced any
problems with its thickness or with uneven surfaces.

http://www.microscale.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=MI-12&Category_Code=FINPROD&Product_Count=6

Tim O'

-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "rickstern845215" <rstern1@...>
I've had somewhat mixed results with the Micro Super Film. On the
good side, it does create a film over the top of the old decal that
can, in most cases, hold it together.

On the bad side, you have to be very careful to avoid brushing it
onto the old decal too thick or unevenly. In those cases the decal
will develop a curl or be so thick that, when applied to an uneven
surface (such as a wood car side) won't "snuggle down" into the
surface no matter how much setting solution is applied.

Net result is that, I may try it for a decal that will be put onto a
flat surface. But mostly, when I have a decal that turns out to be
so fragile it can't be used I might try the Micro Super Film once to
see if I can restore it. If not, it's much less frustrating to just
buy new decals.

Rick


--- In STMFC@..., <tmolsen@...> wrote:

Lawrence,

The item that Tim was referring to is called "Micro Super Film" put
out by Kraesel Industries. I used it to coat old decals that had the
surface film cracking.

You just brush it over the decal surface and let it dry a few
minutes, then drop the decal into water and slide it off the backing,
just as if they were new the day before. It basically seals up the
age cracks in the film surface.

another parts question

jerryglow2
 

I know Detail Associates 4/5 Dreadnaught ends are square corner post
but what are the 5/5 ones - square or W-section?

thanks again
Jerry Glow

Re: Can you buy just Sunshine Decals?

golden1014
 

Hi Jason,

Yes, you can buy decal sets direct from Sunshine. I do it all the
time. Just mention the set and the kit number and send a check. They
may come in a few weeks or five months--it's a crap shoot but you'll
get them. I usually send five or six dollars per set and they'll
refund you if applicable.

John Golden
Bloomington, IN


--- In STMFC@..., "parkcitybranch" <parkcitybranch@...>
wrote:

I have some SP B-50-15'S from challenger that I want to strip and
repaint into the pre 1946 lettering. Can I buy just the decals from
Challenger to do these cars? Anyone know off hand. Thanks.

Jason Sanford

Tichy/CMA bracket grabirons

jerryglow2
 

Does anyone know the difference between their part numbers 1018 and
3075? The descriptions and pictures appear the same on their web site.

Jerry Glow

Re: Swift's Brookfield Butter "Meat" Reefer

George R. Stilwell, Jr. <GRSJr@...>
 

Do you include the Atlas-O Swift wood side reefer in your list of poor renditions?
It does have the 2 hinge doors and looks quite authentic to me. It even has the more common red-painted roof rather than the worn-ouy and repainted black roof.

Ray Stilwell

Re: Pacific Electric G-50-13 GB Gondola brake system

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Jun 12, 2008, at 9:36 PM, Anthony Thompson wrote:

Walter Clark wrote:

[snip]

I think it would be a reasonable thing to do, but I'd like to
know for
sure before the Prototype Police raid my workshop <g>.
No, no. As Richard Hendrickson has pointed out, the motto of the
Prototype Police is "To Serve and Correct." No raids, just information
<g>.








That policy could change, of course, if the PP received evidence of a
flagrant violation. However, PP enforcement efforts tend to be
focussed more locally now that it is, shall we say, unwise to pass
through airport security with a phony badge.

Richard Hendrickson

Re: Pacific Electric G-50-13 GB Gondola brake system

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Walter Clark wrote:
In 1929 the Southern Pacific built 65 class G-50-13 GB gondolas, fifteen of which went to the Pacific Electric. I've looked at all the photos in Tony Thompson's Southern Pacific Freight Cars, Volume One, Gondolas and Stock Cars, and there are only photos of the Southern Pacific cars. Since the PE had such tight curves it used a special outside-of-the-B-end-truck chain linkage from the brake shaft to the KC brake via an extra lever on its B-50-13 and B-50-14 box cars. Does anyone know if the same brake linkage was used on the G-50-13?
I have just checked, and the car ledgers make no mention of any difference in brake gear for the PE cars which came to SP in 1951. They do mention, as with all the original home-built cars, that brake gear was "second hand." This does not prove anything either way.

I think it would be a reasonable thing to do, but I'd like to know for sure before the Prototype Police raid my workshop <g>.
No, no. As Richard Hendrickson has pointed out, the motto of the Prototype Police is "To Serve and Correct." No raids, just information <g>.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history

Pacific Electric G-50-13 GB Gondola brake system

Walter M. Clark
 

Group,

In 1929 the Southern Pacific built 65 class G-50-13 GB gondolas,
fifteen of which went to the Pacific Electric. I've looked at all the
photos in Tony Thompson's Southern Pacific Freight Cars, Volume One,
Gondolas and Stock Cars, and there are only photos of the Southern
Pacific cars. Since the PE had such tight curves it used a special
outside-of-the-B-end-truck chain linkage from the brake shaft to the
KC brake via an extra lever on its B-50-13 and B-50-14 box cars. Does
anyone know if the same brake linkage was used on the G-50-13? I have
a few of Martin Lofton's B-50-13 PE box cars with the extra brake
parts and would like to use one set on the PE G-50-13 kit I got from
Ted Culotta.

I think it would be a reasonable thing to do, but I'd like to know for
sure before the Prototype Police raid my workshop <g>.

Time stopped in November 1941
Walter M. Clark
Pullman, Washington, USA

Red Caboose TW class CDLX wine car Fruit Industries

Mark
 

I purchased this kit over ten years ago. Wondering if these ran into
the mid fifties.

Searched the messages and did not find anything about these.

Sincerely, Mark Morgan

Re: "Lemons" into lemonade

Tim O'Connor
 

Possible candidates -- welded 40' AAR box cars

RI 27200- 27349 blt 10/1960 ACF 8' door
NJI&I 100- 149 blt 1950 ? 8' door
NJI&I 150- 199 blt ? ? 8' door
WABASH 90000- 90349 blt 6/1960 ACF 8' door
WABASH 90350- 90549 blt 7/1960 ACF 8' door
RDG 109000-109399 blt 1956 ACF 8' door
L&N 46000- 46099 blt 11/1960 ACF 8' door
L&N 46800- 46899 blt 6/1960 ACF 8' door
MEC 8400- 8599 blt 1957 ACF 8' door
WM 4201- 4450 blt 1953 ACF 8' door
WP 3421- 3422 blt 1960 ACF 8' door

Red Caboose did --

RI 59xx -- wrong ends! should be 27200 series
WABASH 900xx -- ok
RDG 109xxx -- ok

There were a number of prototypes with "carbuilder"
or "dartnot" ends with welded sides and 8' doors. I
don't have complete rosters for every railroad so there
are probably others I missed.

Tim O'Connor

EJ&E, GTW, NJI&I, RDG, SA, SEABOARD, SLSF, and SOUTHERN all had steel
cars with IL 40'6", IH 10'6", door 8'0", but it is doubtful they were
welded.

Best wishes,
Larry Ostresh

Re: GARX car in Monon, IN

rwitt_2000
 

Richard Hendrickson wrote:

On Jun 12, 2008, at 9:28 AM, timboconnor@... wrote:

Well, gee, Bob, it looks like a Kingan & Co reefer to me. :-)
Sunshine
did a model for at least one Kingan reefer...




In fact, it was built, owned, and operated by General American under
GARX reporting marks and leased to Kingan at the time it was taken
out of service. The side sill tabs identify it as having been built
in the 1930s with a Duryea cushion underframe. I have several in-
service photos of these cars.

Richard Hendrickson
Richard,

Thank you, I assume that Kingan & Co. also owned and operated reefers
with their reporting marks.

I believe I have one photo from Bob's, but I will have to check.

Regards,

Bob Witt

Re: Can you buy just Sunshine Decals?

Jim & Lisa Hayes <jimandlisa97225@...>
 

Or you could buy Sunshine decals as the subject of your query asks. Sunshine
sells kits for more than two dozen variations of the B-50-15. My check has
been cashed so I'm expecting delivery of 2 of them in next 2 or 3 weeks.
Then I can probably give you more info on what's included on the decals. I
think they are 2-color decals. Sunshine decals sell for $3 for one color, $4
for two color, and $5 for three color, shipping free. To see what kits are
offered and which decals you might want to order see my website
www.sunshinekits.com <http://www.sunshinekits.com/> then select the Current
Price List link and click on Main Price List. The B-50-15s are at the bottom
of page 7 and top of page 8.

I plan to release an enhancement of my Sunshine site on Saturday and I'll be
sure the B-50-15 flyers are available for your perusal.

Jim Hayes
Portland Oregon

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Re: "Lemons" into lemonade

spsalso
 

I figured 40' box=steam; but that's sorta maybe not true. I'm pretty
sure the cars I'm working with were built in the late fifties and may
have gone into the '80's, so I'll try BBFCL. It's a new group for me,
but it's nice to meet new friends. I might bring it up on MFCL, but
I've gotta check their "time span" first. Anyway, thanks to all for
your guidance on this.

Ed Sutorik

Re: "Lemons" into lemonade

laramielarry <ostresh@...>
 

--- In STMFC@..., "spsalso" <Edwardsutorik@...> wrote:


So you are wondering who owned welded 40ft AAR box cars with
8 ft Superior doors? Other than the road names (e.g. Reading) that
Red Caboose has already done?
Well, sort of. Red Caboose describes RC-8900 as an AC&F 40' welded
box with IH of 10'6", 4-3-1 ends, and 8' doors (they supply both
"Youngstown" and "Superior"). They have the cars lettered for
Maine
Central, WP, Wabash, and RI.

Ed Sutorik
Hi Ed

No cars with those dimensions in the road names you mention (MEC, WP,
Wabash, RI) are listed in any ORER up to July 1950. This is not
surprising since the earliest build date that Red Caboose gives for
these welded box models is 9-57 (MEC).

EJ&E, GTW, NJI&I, RDG, SA, SEABOARD, SLSF, and SOUTHERN all had steel
cars with IL 40'6", IH 10'6", door 8'0", but it is doubtful they were
welded.

Best wishes,
Larry Ostresh
Laramie, Wyoming

Re: "Lemons" into lemonade

Tim O'Connor
 

As someone said, it depends on your era. I don't think many of these
cars would have been repainted before 1960. Over on the BBFCL we
could discuss your options for the future.... :-)

Tim O'Connor

-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "spsalso" <Edwardsutorik@...>

So you are wondering who owned welded 40ft AAR box cars with
8 ft Superior doors? Other than the road names (e.g. Reading) that
Red Caboose has already done?
Well, sort of. Red Caboose describes RC-8900 as an AC&F 40' welded
box with IH of 10'6", 4-3-1 ends, and 8' doors (they supply both
"Youngstown" and "Superior"). They have the cars lettered for Maine
Central, WP, Wabash, and RI. I'd like to do something different--
either a different road or a different paint scheme for the listed
four.

I thought that one or more of the WP/RI cars might have made it into
UP, but so far I haven't found any.

Ed Sutorik

Re: Can you buy just Sunshine Decals?

Tim O'Connor
 

The best decals for SP box cars are made by Rick Leach, but I don't know
if he makes these particular cars in HO. Most of his decals are O scale or
I should say, Proto:48 scale.

-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Jason Sanford <parkcitybranch@...>
Which set do I need.&nbsp; I see they offer a set for the B-50-13 and B-50-14's
but I do not see the B-50-15's.&nbsp; I need a set to do the steel side
rebuilds.&nbsp; Thanks.
&nbsp;
Jason Sanford

Re: Can you buy just Sunshine Decals?

Jason Sanford <parkcitybranch@...>
 

Which set do I need.&nbsp; I see they offer a set for the B-50-13 and B-50-14's but I do not see the B-50-15's.&nbsp; I need a set to do the steel side rebuilds.&nbsp; Thanks.
&nbsp;
Jason Sanford

--- On Thu, 6/12/08, cobrapsl@... <cobrapsl@...> wrote:

From: cobrapsl@... <cobrapsl@...>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Can you buy just Sunshine Decals?
To: STMFC@...
Date: Thursday, June 12, 2008, 4:11 PM

Jason,



Challenger has been out of business for several years! Why don't you use
the Microscale set made for these cars?



Paul Lyons

Laguna Niguel, CA

Re: Can you buy just Sunshine Decals?

Jason Sanford <parkcitybranch@...>
 

I did not know there was a microscale set.&nbsp; Thanks Paul.
&nbsp;
I know Challenger is out of business so good thing I already have all the cars.&nbsp; Hopefully I am not upsetting the model railroad gods by stripping their factory paint.
&nbsp;
&nbsp;
Jason

--- On Thu, 6/12/08, cobrapsl@... <cobrapsl@...> wrote:

From: cobrapsl@... <cobrapsl@...>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Can you buy just Sunshine Decals?
To: STMFC@...
Date: Thursday, June 12, 2008, 4:11 PM

Jason,



Challenger has been out of business for several years! Why don't you use
the Microscale set made for these cars?



Paul Lyons

Laguna Niguel, CA


-----Original Message-----
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To: STMFC@...
Sent: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 2:58 pm
Subject: [STMFC] Can you buy just Sunshine Decals?







I have some SP B-50-15'S from challenger that I want to strip and
repaint into the pre 1946 lettering. Can I buy just the decals from
Challenger to do these cars? Anyone know off hand. Thanks.

Jason Sanford









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Re: Can you buy just Sunshine Decals?

Paul Lyons
 

Jason,



Challenger has been out of business for several years! Why don't you use the Microscale set made for these cars?



Paul Lyons

Laguna Niguel, CA

-----Original Message-----
From: parkcitybranch <parkcitybranch@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 2:58 pm
Subject: [STMFC] Can you buy just Sunshine Decals?







I have some SP B-50-15'S from challenger that I want to strip and
repaint into the pre 1946 lettering. Can I buy just the decals from
Challenger to do these cars? Anyone know off hand. Thanks.

Jason Sanford

Re: Swift's Brookfield Butter "Meat" Reefer

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Cyril Durrenberger wrote:
What book is being referenced here?
Cyril, it's a forthcoming book entitled "Billboard Refrigerator Cars," by Richard Hendrickson and Ed Kaminski. We are publishing it later this summer. There's a brief blurb on our web site (URL below) under "Forthcoming Titles."

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history