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Re: GARX car in Monon, IN

rwitt_2000
 

Richard Hendrickson wrote:

On Jun 12, 2008, at 9:28 AM, timboconnor@... wrote:

Well, gee, Bob, it looks like a Kingan & Co reefer to me. :-)
Sunshine
did a model for at least one Kingan reefer...




In fact, it was built, owned, and operated by General American under
GARX reporting marks and leased to Kingan at the time it was taken
out of service. The side sill tabs identify it as having been built
in the 1930s with a Duryea cushion underframe. I have several in-
service photos of these cars.

Richard Hendrickson
Richard,

Thank you, I assume that Kingan & Co. also owned and operated reefers
with their reporting marks.

I believe I have one photo from Bob's, but I will have to check.

Regards,

Bob Witt


Re: Can you buy just Sunshine Decals?

Jim & Lisa Hayes <jimandlisa97225@...>
 

Or you could buy Sunshine decals as the subject of your query asks. Sunshine
sells kits for more than two dozen variations of the B-50-15. My check has
been cashed so I'm expecting delivery of 2 of them in next 2 or 3 weeks.
Then I can probably give you more info on what's included on the decals. I
think they are 2-color decals. Sunshine decals sell for $3 for one color, $4
for two color, and $5 for three color, shipping free. To see what kits are
offered and which decals you might want to order see my website
www.sunshinekits.com <http://www.sunshinekits.com/> then select the Current
Price List link and click on Main Price List. The B-50-15s are at the bottom
of page 7 and top of page 8.

I plan to release an enhancement of my Sunshine site on Saturday and I'll be
sure the B-50-15 flyers are available for your perusal.

Jim Hayes
Portland Oregon

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Re: "Lemons" into lemonade

spsalso
 

I figured 40' box=steam; but that's sorta maybe not true. I'm pretty
sure the cars I'm working with were built in the late fifties and may
have gone into the '80's, so I'll try BBFCL. It's a new group for me,
but it's nice to meet new friends. I might bring it up on MFCL, but
I've gotta check their "time span" first. Anyway, thanks to all for
your guidance on this.

Ed Sutorik


Re: "Lemons" into lemonade

laramielarry <ostresh@...>
 

--- In STMFC@..., "spsalso" <Edwardsutorik@...> wrote:


So you are wondering who owned welded 40ft AAR box cars with
8 ft Superior doors? Other than the road names (e.g. Reading) that
Red Caboose has already done?
Well, sort of. Red Caboose describes RC-8900 as an AC&F 40' welded
box with IH of 10'6", 4-3-1 ends, and 8' doors (they supply both
"Youngstown" and "Superior"). They have the cars lettered for
Maine
Central, WP, Wabash, and RI.

Ed Sutorik
Hi Ed

No cars with those dimensions in the road names you mention (MEC, WP,
Wabash, RI) are listed in any ORER up to July 1950. This is not
surprising since the earliest build date that Red Caboose gives for
these welded box models is 9-57 (MEC).

EJ&E, GTW, NJI&I, RDG, SA, SEABOARD, SLSF, and SOUTHERN all had steel
cars with IL 40'6", IH 10'6", door 8'0", but it is doubtful they were
welded.

Best wishes,
Larry Ostresh
Laramie, Wyoming


Re: "Lemons" into lemonade

Tim O'Connor
 

As someone said, it depends on your era. I don't think many of these
cars would have been repainted before 1960. Over on the BBFCL we
could discuss your options for the future.... :-)

Tim O'Connor

-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "spsalso" <Edwardsutorik@...>

So you are wondering who owned welded 40ft AAR box cars with
8 ft Superior doors? Other than the road names (e.g. Reading) that
Red Caboose has already done?
Well, sort of. Red Caboose describes RC-8900 as an AC&F 40' welded
box with IH of 10'6", 4-3-1 ends, and 8' doors (they supply both
"Youngstown" and "Superior"). They have the cars lettered for Maine
Central, WP, Wabash, and RI. I'd like to do something different--
either a different road or a different paint scheme for the listed
four.

I thought that one or more of the WP/RI cars might have made it into
UP, but so far I haven't found any.

Ed Sutorik


Re: Can you buy just Sunshine Decals?

Tim O'Connor
 

The best decals for SP box cars are made by Rick Leach, but I don't know
if he makes these particular cars in HO. Most of his decals are O scale or
I should say, Proto:48 scale.

-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Jason Sanford <parkcitybranch@...>
Which set do I need.&nbsp; I see they offer a set for the B-50-13 and B-50-14's
but I do not see the B-50-15's.&nbsp; I need a set to do the steel side
rebuilds.&nbsp; Thanks.
&nbsp;
Jason Sanford


Re: Can you buy just Sunshine Decals?

Jason Sanford <parkcitybranch@...>
 

Which set do I need.&nbsp; I see they offer a set for the B-50-13 and B-50-14's but I do not see the B-50-15's.&nbsp; I need a set to do the steel side rebuilds.&nbsp; Thanks.
&nbsp;
Jason Sanford

--- On Thu, 6/12/08, cobrapsl@... <cobrapsl@...> wrote:

From: cobrapsl@... <cobrapsl@...>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Can you buy just Sunshine Decals?
To: STMFC@...
Date: Thursday, June 12, 2008, 4:11 PM

Jason,



Challenger has been out of business for several years! Why don't you use
the Microscale set made for these cars?



Paul Lyons

Laguna Niguel, CA


Re: Can you buy just Sunshine Decals?

Jason Sanford <parkcitybranch@...>
 

I did not know there was a microscale set.&nbsp; Thanks Paul.
&nbsp;
I know Challenger is out of business so good thing I already have all the cars.&nbsp; Hopefully I am not upsetting the model railroad gods by stripping their factory paint.
&nbsp;
&nbsp;
Jason

--- On Thu, 6/12/08, cobrapsl@... <cobrapsl@...> wrote:

From: cobrapsl@... <cobrapsl@...>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Can you buy just Sunshine Decals?
To: STMFC@...
Date: Thursday, June 12, 2008, 4:11 PM

Jason,



Challenger has been out of business for several years! Why don't you use
the Microscale set made for these cars?



Paul Lyons

Laguna Niguel, CA


-----Original Message-----
From: parkcitybranch <parkcitybranch@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 2:58 pm
Subject: [STMFC] Can you buy just Sunshine Decals?







I have some SP B-50-15'S from challenger that I want to strip and
repaint into the pre 1946 lettering. Can I buy just the decals from
Challenger to do these cars? Anyone know off hand. Thanks.

Jason Sanford









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Re: Can you buy just Sunshine Decals?

Paul Lyons
 

Jason,



Challenger has been out of business for several years! Why don't you use the Microscale set made for these cars?



Paul Lyons

Laguna Niguel, CA

-----Original Message-----
From: parkcitybranch <parkcitybranch@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 2:58 pm
Subject: [STMFC] Can you buy just Sunshine Decals?







I have some SP B-50-15'S from challenger that I want to strip and
repaint into the pre 1946 lettering. Can I buy just the decals from
Challenger to do these cars? Anyone know off hand. Thanks.

Jason Sanford


Re: Swift's Brookfield Butter "Meat" Reefer

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Cyril Durrenberger wrote:
What book is being referenced here?
Cyril, it's a forthcoming book entitled "Billboard Refrigerator Cars," by Richard Hendrickson and Ed Kaminski. We are publishing it later this summer. There's a brief blurb on our web site (URL below) under "Forthcoming Titles."

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Naperville 2008...

Mike Brock <brockm@...>
 

Tom Olsen writes:

"Over the past several years, a number of the attendees tried booking for the meet through the 800 number only to be told that there were no rooms available and that they would have to book at the higher rate.

This is an old trick with many hotel central reservations people. Unfortunately, the 800 people never talk to the hotel people and just overbook to fill up the rooms at the higher rates."

I can only speak for Hilton 800 operators and their relationship to the hotel. At Cocoa Beach we will book about 100 rooms for Friday and 100 for Sat with lessor numbers for other nights. When the number of rooms for a given night is exceeded, the 800 operator cannot extend the room block and, therefore, cannot give the event's room rate. Only the hotel room guru can do that and...typically [ for some reason ]...the problem occurs on the 2 weekends before the meet at which time the hotel room guru is not at work. I CAN, however, change any room rate to our meet's rate...even on the day of the meet. Hence, I always tell attendees that, if they cannot get the advertised room rate, take whatever is offered [ a single room...not a suite ] even if $1000, let me know and I'll change it to our rate. The only case in which a room will not be available is if all rooms are sold. I might note that this situation occurs every yr. You might ask...why not just take a 125 room block? The reason is that we really don't know how many rooms we'll need and the hotel cannot sell any of those rooms so they prefer to not tie up the rooms. AS the date of the meet approaches we'll ramp up the number blocked by from 10-20 rooms a couple of times.

I only know of one or two cases in which rooms were available in our block and they were not offered to an attendee. In both cases, I tested the waters myself and had no problem booking a room...almost. I believe the problem was due to the attendee using an incorrect name of the event OR the 800 operastor simply not getting the proper list of events.

Mike Brock...FWIW dept.


Can you buy just Sunshine Decals?

parkcitybranch <parkcitybranch@...>
 

I have some SP B-50-15'S from challenger that I want to strip and
repaint into the pre 1946 lettering. Can I buy just the decals from
Challenger to do these cars? Anyone know off hand. Thanks.

Jason Sanford


Re: GARX car in Monon, IN

Roger Hinman <rhinman@...>
 

Interesting, a modern day kitbash. I'll be travelling in that area
later this summer and I
think I'll have a look

Thanks for ID'ing the location

Roger Hinman

On Jun 12, 2008, at 11:01 AM, Mont Switzer wrote:

Bob,

The car is located about 5 miles north of town at The Monon
Connection restaurant and museum. Excellent food and a museum worth
an afternoon of one's time.

The museum got the car body out of a nearby barn and mounted it on
the underframe that you see in the photo for display purposes. They
are not one and the same.

Mont Switzer

rwitt_2000 <rmwitt@...> wrote:

Roger Hinman wrote:

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=825673

Anyone know where in Monon this car is located???
Does anyone want to speculate about the origins of this reefer. The
heavy fishbelly underframe looks like some of the reefers built for
Swift and Company.

Bob Witt





Re: Swift's Brookfield Butter "Meat" Reefer

Donald B. Valentine <riverman_vt@...>
 

--- In STMFC@..., rickstern845215 <rstern1@...> wrote:

Atlas has in their HO line a meat reefer decorated for Swift and the
lettering for "Brookfield Butter". I'm aware that Swift owned a
dairy/breakfast (eggs, milk, butter, etc.) products firm called
Brookfield, but I don't know if they had any special cars for
transporting dairy prodcuts.

Can anyone tell me ...

* Were these cars used for transporting meat, or dairy products.
E.g., was this just another of Swift's many advertising "sides"
used on
their meat cars? * What was the time period when these cars were
active. I have found collectibles on the web for Swift's Brookfield
subsidiary from before WWII, but not after. * What parts of the
country might these cars have operated?

The problem with the Atlas meat reefer is that it was an odd
design used primarily by the Cudahy Packing Co. and very few, if any,
other meat packers, even though constructed by General American. The
most unusual, and distinguishing, feature of the car is the use of
only two hinges on each half of the door rather than the usual three.

I'd be VERY surprised to find that Swift ever used any of these
oddities. Your best bet for good Swift reefers are those Marty Lofton
offered in his Sunshine line of resin kits. Good models of meat
reefers in injection molded cars are hard to come by. Other than the
Mather meat reefers in the Red Caboose or InterMountain line I cannot
think of a single injection molded model of a meat reefer that the
majority on this list would accept without a considerable reworking.

Don Valentine


Re: ATSF Reefers by Intermountain

Brian J Carlson <brian@...>
 

They do require some additional work if you model post 1953 though as
documented in the ATSF Reefer book published the the Santa Fe society.
Brian Carlson

On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 20:46:00 +0000, timboconnor wrote

Yes, very. One of IM's best efforts. Long's originally sponsored
the tooling.


Re: ATSF Reefers by Intermountain

Tim O'Connor
 

Yes, very. One of IM's best efforts. Long's originally sponsored
the tooling.

-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: James Mischke <jmischke@...>

A few months ago, my local hobby shop stocked a large assortment
of ATSF HO ice reefers, ready-to-run, by Intermountain in many
road numbers.
Are these accurate?


ATSF Reefers by Intermountain

James Mischke <jmischke@...>
 

A few months ago, my local hobby shop stocked a large assortment
of ATSF HO ice reefers, ready-to-run, by Intermountain in many
road numbers.

Are these accurate? The orange color looks a little dark,
maybe I am conditioned by decades of seeing bright orange
Athearns. Intermountain has a certain reputation for accuracy
and I buy their new offerings when accompanied with an expert's endorsement.


Re: Swift's Brookfield Butter "Meat" Reefer

Cyril Durrenberger
 

What book is being referenced here?

Cyril Durrenberger

--- Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
wrote:

Richard Stern wrote:
That said, the comment about billboard reefers
being banned raises a
question in my mind . . . the reason the ICC
banned billboard ads on
freight cars was that shippers would often find
their shipments in
cars advertising their competitors.
The right answer, RIchard, would be to wait
a bit for the book
to emerge and read it for yourself, but in brief,
not only was this NOT
the reason, it was not even mentioned. The fact is
that the billboard
painting was done for cars under lease to a
particular shipper, not for
cars in general service.

IIRC, the ban did not affect cars in captive
service to a specific
shipper, nor to those owned by a specific shipper
and used only for
their products.
Not at first, but yes, over time an
understanding emerged that
long-term use or ownership of a car permitted the
owner to put logos on
the car, but NOT product advertising unless that
product, and only that
product, was going to be inside the car. For that
reason, all the meat
reefers quickly dropped mentioning individual
products.
For more, particularly about the rebating
practices which
ACTUALLY caused the ICC decision, I commend the book
to you.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press,
Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705
www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail,
thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: "Lemons" into lemonade

spsalso
 

So you are wondering who owned welded 40ft AAR box cars with
8 ft Superior doors? Other than the road names (e.g. Reading) that
Red Caboose has already done?
Well, sort of. Red Caboose describes RC-8900 as an AC&F 40' welded
box with IH of 10'6", 4-3-1 ends, and 8' doors (they supply both
"Youngstown" and "Superior"). They have the cars lettered for Maine
Central, WP, Wabash, and RI. I'd like to do something different--
either a different road or a different paint scheme for the listed
four.

I thought that one or more of the WP/RI cars might have made it into
UP, but so far I haven't found any.

Ed Sutorik


Re: Can you buy just Sunshine Decals?

Guy Wilber
 

In a message dated 6/12/2008 5:57:00 PM Central Daylight Time,
timboconnor@... writes:

The best decals for SP box cars are made by Rick Leach, but I don't know
if he makes these particular cars in HO.
Not yet, but as time permits he MAY do so. Words of encouragement might
help to twist his arm.

Guy Wilber
West Bend, WI





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