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Re: Micro Mark Deluxe Decal Finishing System

Tim O'Connor
 

Howard

I thought acrylic was quite brittle. I would not expect it to mold
all that well to uneven surfaces. Have you had any problems?

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From: Howard R Garner <cascaderail@...>
Many of us the print the ALPS decals use Future Floor Finish as a
protective cover.
This is an acrylic and not a wax base product.

Howard Garner


LV 95620 36 ft GB?

Kurt Laughlin <fleeta@...>
 

I've come across an article by Chuck Yungkurth on an "LV Short Steel Gondola" that appeared in the 6/80 RMC. Chuck writes that he suspects this was a home-built car for MW service. Has anything come to light in the intervening 28 years about the origins of this car?

KL


Re: Red Caboose TW class CDLX wine car

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Let's note, one more time, that the "TW class" portion of the subject line is WRONG. The original writer may have thought it stood for "Tank, Welded," but in fact it refers to wooden containers, such as vinegar or, yes, pickle cars. I don't want list readers to begin to associate the "TW" notation with the RC tank car.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
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Re: Micro Mark Deluxe Decal Finishing System

earlyrail
 

Many of us the print the ALPS decals use Future Floor Finish as a protective cover.
This is an acrylic and not a wax base product.

Howard Garner


Cheveron on the side of 1941 C&O flat cars

water.kresse@...
 

Does anyone on this list know the origin and colors for the "double-cheverons" painted on the sides of the C&O 70-ton, 56 ft and 125-ton regular and deep-well flat cars? My images show 6 total or two-pairs of three vertical bars . . . . red-white-blue or green-white-red.

Al Kresse


Re: Red Caboose TW class CDLX wine car

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Jun 13, 2008, at 11:10 AM, Anthony Thompson wrote:

Richard Hendrickson wrote:
In the 1930s California Despatch Line had some wine tank cars which
consisted of six tanks in wood racks installed in second-hand PFE
cars. Will Whittaker photographed a couple of these cars in the late
1930s, out of service by that time but still with fancy billboard
paint and lettering schemes.
Description of the PFE sale to CDLX, and the Whittaker photos,
are in the PFE book, Chapter 4. But neither Whittaker image shows a
"Fruit Industries" paint scheme, nor do I think RC did one on the PFE
body. Moreover, such cars were not AAR class TW, which was a wooden
container class. As Bruce was thinking, RC certainly DID do a "Fruit
Industries" scheme on their welded tank car.














On re-reading the files, I see that Tony is correct; my apologies to
Bruce. The RC "Fruit Industries" tank car was based on another Will
Whittaker photo taken in 1-41 of a CDLX tank car built in the 1920s
by the Standard Tank Car Co. California Despatch Line did not own
postwar AC&F ICC-103W tank cars, so the model is obviously wrong with
that P/L scheme, and it is doubtful that the Fruit Industries
billboard P/L scheme was still in circulation in the mid-1950s.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: Texaco refinery picture

Garth G. Groff <ggg9y@...>
 

Tim,

Yesterday I searched the Library of Congress photo site and found no Texaco refinery or tank car pictures. Delano took a lot of shots of Mid-Continent refineries, and DX tank cars are plentiful. The few Texaco shots that came up show gas stations and the like.

One tank car is identified as Texaco, but it is actually a Conoco. It is a wooden-framed car with a silver tank and billboard lettering what apparently was caught in a flood or some other calamity. Nice car.

Kind regards,


Garth G. Groff

timboconnor@... wrote:

There's gotta be some photos of Texaco's refinery in the Houston
area... there's a beautiful well known (frequently published) SP company
photo from 1950-ish of a Cities Service refinery in Texas in which many
different car types can be identified. It's an inspiring shot!

Tim O'Connor


Re: Texaco refinery picture

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Tim O'Connor wrote:
There's gotta be some photos of Texaco's refinery in the Houston area... there's a beautiful well known (frequently published) SP company photo from 1950-ish of a Cities Service refinery in Texas in which many different car types can be identified. It's an inspiring shot!
There are several different shots like this, Tim (two are in the T&NO book), and they are at Lake Charles, Louisiana, not Texas. They ARE terrific shots.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Red Caboose TW class CDLX wine car Fruit Industries

Tim O'Connor
 

But in the 1950's Chateau Martin had huge billboard ads on their
wine cars. So how soon after 1938 were the rules relaxed?

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From: Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@...>

Bruce, you're confusing the RC tank car model with the model Mark was
actually inquiring about, which was a wine tank car in an ex-PFE
body. In the 1930s California Despatch Line had some wine tank cars
which consisted of six tanks in wood racks installed in second-hand
PFE cars. Will Whittaker photographed a couple of these cars in the
late 1930s, out of service by that time but still with fancy
billboard paint and lettering schemes. Of course, RC couldn't resist
doing those P/L schemes on its PFE reefer model, but - to answer
Mark's question - most of them were retired before WW II and all were
gone from the CDL roster by 1953. In any case, the fancy paint jobs
would have been illegal in interchange after mid-1938.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: Texaco refinery picture

Tim O'Connor
 

There's gotta be some photos of Texaco's refinery in the Houston
area... there's a beautiful well known (frequently published) SP company
photo from 1950-ish of a Cities Service refinery in Texas in which many
different car types can be identified. It's an inspiring shot!

Tim O'Connor

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From: "Brian Leppert" <b.leppert@...>
Ed,
Maybe I can answer your questions and save Andy some gas.

There is an aerial photo of the Texaco Fillmore refinery in "Fillmore
1888-1988", published by the Fillmore Historical Society. The photo caption
says "Looking north from over Highway 126 to the Texaco Refinery in late
1940s."

There are at least 14 tank cars visible, all single dome. All but three are
all black with no large lettering, only reporting marks. Three cars are
silver with black underframes and bottom sheets. All three have billboard
"TEXACO" lettering, but one car's is a little larger than the others. Maybe
50 % taller and a little longer.

In this published half-toned photo the tank cars are only 3/8" long, so I
can't see much more detail.

Hope this helps,

Brian Leppert
Carson City, NV


Re: Naperville

Tim O'Connor
 

Darnaby's gonna be mad as hell when we all show up at his house!

-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@...>
Apologies for sending the entire list what was intended as a private
message to Jack Burgess.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: Red Caboose TW class CDLX wine car

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Richard Hendrickson wrote:
In the 1930s California Despatch Line had some wine tank cars which consisted of six tanks in wood racks installed in second-hand PFE cars. Will Whittaker photographed a couple of these cars in the late 1930s, out of service by that time but still with fancy billboard paint and lettering schemes.
Description of the PFE sale to CDLX, and the Whittaker photos, are in the PFE book, Chapter 4. But neither Whittaker image shows a "Fruit Industries" paint scheme, nor do I think RC did one on the PFE body. Moreover, such cars were not AAR class TW, which was a wooden container class. As Bruce was thinking, RC certainly DID do a "Fruit Industries" scheme on their welded tank car.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Red Caboose TW class CDLX wine car Fruit Industries

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Jun 13, 2008, at 8:56 AM, Bruce Smith wrote:


On Jun 12, 2008, at 10:36 PM, Mark Morgan wrote:

I purchased this kit over ten years ago. Wondering if these ran into
the mid fifties.

Searched the messages and did not find anything about these.
Mark,

This scheme may be completely bogus.

There may be nothing specifically about that scheme in the archives,
but there is TONS of information about the RC model there. It was
basically built for the US Army. Additional close or correct
prototypes include a few UTLX and GATX cars, as well as some railroad
owned cars (Frisco was apparently one). [etc., etc.]



















Bruce, you're confusing the RC tank car model with the model Mark was
actually inquiring about, which was a wine tank car in an ex-PFE
body. In the 1930s California Despatch Line had some wine tank cars
which consisted of six tanks in wood racks installed in second-hand
PFE cars. Will Whittaker photographed a couple of these cars in the
late 1930s, out of service by that time but still with fancy
billboard paint and lettering schemes. Of course, RC couldn't resist
doing those P/L schemes on its PFE reefer model, but - to answer
Mark's question - most of them were retired before WW II and all were
gone from the CDL roster by 1953. In any case, the fancy paint jobs
would have been illegal in interchange after mid-1938.

Richard Hendrickson


Car usage

mcindoefalls
 

Here's an interesting example of car usage I found on page 57 of a new
softcover book on the Quebec Railway, Light & Power Co. published by
the Bytown Railway Society. In 1937, QRL&P bought two snow sweepers
from the Holyoke (Mass.) Street Railway, located on the B&M and New
Haven. They were sent north loaded on two, apparently brand-new,
Southern Railway 40-foot flatcars (numbered 116905 and 117X54). Loaded
towards or via the car owner? Not.

Walt Lankenau


Naperville

Richard Hendrickson
 

Apologies for sending the entire list what was intended as a private
message to Jack Burgess.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: Texaco refinery picture

Brian Leppert <b.leppert@...>
 

Ed,
Maybe I can answer your questions and save Andy some gas.

There is an aerial photo of the Texaco Fillmore refinery in "Fillmore 1888-1988", published by the Fillmore Historical Society. The photo caption says "Looking north from over Highway 126 to the Texaco Refinery in late 1940s."

There are at least 14 tank cars visible, all single dome. All but three are all black with no large lettering, only reporting marks. Three cars are silver with black underframes and bottom sheets. All three have billboard "TEXACO" lettering, but one car's is a little larger than the others. Maybe 50 % taller and a little longer.

In this published half-toned photo the tank cars are only 3/8" long, so I can't see much more detail.

Hope this helps,

Brian Leppert
Carson City, NV

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From: "ed_mines" <ed_mines@...>
To: <STMFC@...>
Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 9:10 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Texaco refinery picture


--- In STMFC@..., Andy Carlson <midcentury@...> wrote:

The Union Oil Museum in Santa Paula (Southern California) has a B&W
image of the Texaco refinery of Fillmore which was closed in 1951.
Their photo, if I remember correctly, was credited to a 1950 shot, and
in the facility were numerous Texaco lettered tank cars, including 3-4
Silver tank cars with large TEXACO lettering.

How many black cars are lettered Texaco? Are there any silver cars with
small Texaco lettering? Black cars with large TEXACO lettering? UTLX
tank cars?

Ed


Re: GARX car in Monon, IN

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Jun 12, 2008, at 6:47 PM, rwitt_2000 wrote:

Richard Hendrickson wrote:

On Jun 12, 2008, at 9:28 AM, timboconnor@... wrote:

Well, gee, Bob, it looks like a Kingan & Co reefer to me. :-)
Sunshine
did a model for at least one Kingan reefer...
In fact, it was built, owned, and operated by General American under
GARX reporting marks and leased to Kingan at the time it was taken
out of service. The side sill tabs identify it as having been built
in the 1930s with a Duryea cushion underframe. I have several in-
service photos of these cars.

Richard Hendrickson
Richard,

Thank you, I assume that Kingan & Co. also owned and operated reefers
with their reporting marks.

I believe I have one photo from Bob's, but I will have to check.


























Bob, Kingan operated a substantial fleet of reefers under their own
reporting marks during the billboard reefer era covered by the
forthcoming book (which includes a couple of photos of Kingan cars),
and as late as 1938 the ORERs show them with about 450 cars. By
1941, however, they were down to just one car, the others having
apparently been sold to one of the car leasing companies and leased
back - probably General American, since GATC provided them with meat
reefers in the 1950s.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: Can you buy just Sunshine Decals?

Tim O'Connor
 

I have bought decals from Sunshine too -- in particular their tank car
decals. But some Sunshine decals are awful -- my PFE R-70-2 'cals
come to mind. Fortunately there are (or were) much better decals out
there.... caveat emptor.

Tim O'Connor

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From: "John Golden" <golden1014@...>

Yes, you can buy decal sets direct from Sunshine. I do it all the
time. Just mention the set and the kit number and send a check. They
may come in a few weeks or five months--it's a crap shoot but you'll
get them. I usually send five or six dollars per set and they'll
refund you if applicable.
John Golden
Bloomington, IN


Re: another parts question

Tim O'Connor
 

They are all S-corner, and they are designed specifically to fit the
old Athearn box cars -- they look great, but they will not fit any other
brand of box car.

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From: "jerryglow2" <jerryglow@...>
I know Detail Associates 4/5 Dreadnaught ends are square corner post
but what are the 5/5 ones - square or W-section?

thanks again
Jerry Glow


Re: Micro Mark Deluxe Decal Finishing System

Gene Green <bierglaeser@...>
 

--- In STMFC@..., "rickstern845215" <rstern1@...> wrote:

I've had somewhat mixed results with the Micro Super Film. On the
good side, it does create a film over the top of the old decal that
can, in most cases, hold it together.

On the bad side, you have to be very careful to avoid brushing it
onto the old decal too thick or unevenly. In those cases the decal
will develop a curl or be so thick that, when applied to an uneven
surface (such as a wood car side) won't "snuggle down" into the
surface no matter how much setting solution is applied.

Net result is that, I may try it for a decal that will be put onto
a
flat surface. But mostly, when I have a decal that turns out to be
so fragile it can't be used I might try the Micro Super Film once
to
see if I can restore it. If not, it's much less frustrating to
just
buy new decals.

Rick
Would the material lend itself to spraying with an airbrush?
Gene Green
Out in the west Texas town of El Paso

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