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Re: When the X's were added
ibs4421@...
Richard,
FGEX was a subsidiary of the L&N, ACL, and some other southeastern roads I believe. Warren SFRD, IC, NP, BAR, CN & CP reefers were obviously RR owned. ART, PFE, MDT(& NRC) were apparently considered to be RR owned, as the companies were direct subsidiaries of WAB/MP, SP/UP and NYC. But some MDT-owned cars used "X" reporting marks: MERX (Merchants Rfr. Line) and ERDX (Eastern Refrigerator Despatch). On the other hand, New York Despatch Line, though wholly owned by Grand Trunk Western, used NYDX reporting marks until WW II, when the cars were finally re-lettered GTW. It may be that only a railroad lawyer could explain ARA/AAR policy about this - and then you wouldn't know whether to believe what he/she told you. Richard H. Hendrickson Ashland, Oregon 97520 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: STMFC-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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Re: When the X's were added
Richard Hendrickson
Were PFE and MDT considered railroad-owned? Or was it just this wasn'tSFRD, IC, NP, BAR, CN & CP reefers were obviously RR owned. ART, PFE, MDT(& NRC) were apparently considered to be RR owned, as the companies were direct subsidiaries of WAB/MP, SP/UP and NYC. But some MDT-owned cars used "X" reporting marks: MERX (Merchants Rfr. Line) and ERDX (Eastern Refrigerator Despatch). On the other hand, New York Despatch Line, though wholly owned by Grand Trunk Western, used NYDX reporting marks until WW II, when the cars were finally re-lettered GTW. It may be that only a railroad lawyer could explain ARA/AAR policy about this - and then you wouldn't know whether to believe what he/she told you. Richard H. Hendrickson Ashland, Oregon 97520
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Re: When the X's were added
thompson@...
John Nehrich asks:
Were PFE and MDT considered railroad-owned? Or was it just this wasn'tJohn, read the message again. PFE and MDT (along with SFRD) already existed, with non-"X" marks, when this rule went into effect. PFE at least was definitely considered privately owned; as such, they were not subject to USRA jurisdiction during that period. I believe that is true of SFRD also. Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2942 Linden Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 http://www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com Publishers of books on railroads and on Western history
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Re: When the X's were added
John Nehrich <nehrij@...>
Were PFE and MDT considered railroad-owned? Or was it just this wasn't
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enforced? (PFE, MDT, and probably a few others that I can't recall off-hand, were listed in the back of the ORER's in the private owner section.) - John
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From: <guycwilber@aol.com> To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2001 5:17 PM Subject: Re: [STMFC] When the X's were added In a message dated 2/27/01 7:46:05 AM Pacific Standard Time,18, 1910. A combination of letters assigned to each company was to consistof: "not less than two, nor more than four letters, in each case ending withthe letter X, indicating private ownership."
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Re: Hills Bros photo
Guy Wilber
In a message dated 2/26/01 7:06:46 PM Pacific Standard Time,
rhendrickson@opendoor.com writes: << Plus, of course, a whole bunch of SP B-50-15s. >> Richard, It appears as if the two SP box cars to the extreme right (above the USRA gon) have smaller medallions. This would indicate that they are B-50-16s. Regards, Guy Wilber Sparks, Nevada
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Re: When the X's were added
Guy Wilber
In a message dated 2/27/01 7:46:05 AM Pacific Standard Time,
tomgloger@yahoo.com writes: << At what point in time did privately owned cars have an X added to their reporting marks, and when did it become mandatory? >> Tom, The ARA adopted the use of the "X" to indicate private ownership on May 18, 1910. A combination of letters assigned to each company was to consist of: "not less than two, nor more than four letters, in each case ending with the letter X, indicating private ownership." Regards, Guy Wilber Sparks, Nevada
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Double sheathed Cotton Belt Boxcars
Bill Welch <bwelch@...>
Someone mentioned these cars recently. I wanted to let people know, especially those in California who are planning to attend the Prototype Modelers Seminars being done by Sunshine Models that ML will be introducing kits for both the original height cars and those that were rebuilt to 10 ft 2 in interior height. The tall rebuilds come in two versions depending on the end patch panels the modeler prefers. I built one of models Martin will have on display with the roof parts used on the ends. The kits come with lots of stenciling options and build up into very nice models that when placed next to a shorter car really stand out. These were of course the SSW signature boxcar.
Enjoy! Bill 'Welch <bwelch@uucf.org> Associate Minister, Unitarian Universalist Congregation of Fairfax P.O. Box 130 Oakton VA 22124 www.uucf.org Telephone 703 281-4230 Fax 703 281-5399
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New file uploaded to STMFC
STMFC@...
Hello,
This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the STMFC group. File : /sun.txt Uploaded by : timoconnor@mediaone.net Description : Sunshine models all-time list as of Nov 2000 You can access this file at the URL http://groups.yahoo.com/group/STMFC/files/sun.txt To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, timoconnor@mediaone.net
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When the X's were added
Tom Gloger
At what point in time did privately owned cars have an
X added to their reporting marks, and when did it become mandatory? ===== - Tom Gloger e-mail: mailto:tomgloger@yahoo.com web page: http://pws.prserv.net/usinet.tgloger __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
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Re: (many things to save "cyber-postage")
John Nehrich <nehrij@...>
Richard - Check the glossary section for some freight car terms at:
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http://www.union.rpi.edu/railroad/images/Glossary/Glossary-A.html and what you don't see there, let me know and I will try and post it, or look it up. Sunshine does not have a web site. I've talked to Martin and have his permission to post the information in his flyers at: http://www.union.rpi.edu/railroad/images/rolling-stock/Kits/Sunshine-kits.ht ml although this is going slow and I have a lot to do. (The flyers I have are often for kits that have since come out in plastic, such as X29's and the AAR 53 ft. 6 in. gon, so the interest in them isn't as strong. Martin is supposed to send me the more recent ones, but he is busy and hasn't done so yet.) Storey - I've love that information on the T-M cars. I just posted a sketchy bit of information at: http://www.union.rpi.edu/railroad/images/rolling-stock/Kits/T-M-kits.html Let me get together what I have at this end and meanwhile maybe you can check some confusion, such as on some kits, what type of end they had. (With Outlook Express, I can't figure out how to write to someone off-list.) And speaking of T-M, I realize they generally used accurate schemes but in their quest to make a three car reefer set of one all wood car, one wood car with steel ends and one all steel, they put many schemes on too modern cars. Did URTX ever get Dreadnaught ended wood cars? Did they rebuild older all wood cars? When was their first all steel cars. (I think 1937, but that is just prior to the billboard ban, certainly after the switch from URTCo. marks to URTX, which makes a blanket statement easy.) (I know the T-M steel car is not that close to the 1937 URTX steel car, but if a scheme should have been on a wood car, that makes the error a greater magnitude.) And is there any prototype for the T-M steel reefer? In their use of a common mold base, they produced a late '30's steel reefer basically with 1920's height. - John
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From: <ThisIsR@aol.com> To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2001 12:09 AM Subject: [STMFC] (unknown) Thanks to Richard,Bill and Garth! This is great! For many,many
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Sunshine models
Tim O'Connor <timoconnor@...>
I do have a Sunshine "catalog" of sorts -- I have a text
file that I have kept up to date with all of the Sunshine kits, current as well as discontinued kits. I guess I could post it to the shared files area, or to any one who wants a copy.... Timothy O'Connor <timoconnor@mediaone.net> Marlborough, Massachusetts
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Re: (unknown)
Benjamin Hom <bhom3@...>
Richard Stallworth asked:
"Does Sunshine have a website? Do they produce a catalog?" Tony Thompson added: "No, and yes. Write to them at their address shown in many magazine ads (I don't have it handy, sorry)." Allow me to assist: Sunshine Models Box 4997 Springfield MO 65805-4997 Ben
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Re: (unknown)
thompson@...
Richard Stallworth asked:
1)Does Sunshine have a website? Do they produce a catalog?No, and yes. Write to them at their address shown in many magazine ads (I don't have it handy, sorry). 2)Can anyone recommend and article or book that would describe theWe tend to blame Frank Peacock for sorting all this out. His seminal article was back in the UPHS "Streamliner" magazine. Since then there have been a number of other articles building on Frank's ideas. Not sure how much you want to know about this history, though. Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2942 Linden Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 http://www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com Publishers of books on railroads and on Western history
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(No subject)
ThisIsR@...
Thanks to Richard,Bill and Garth! This is great! For many,many
months I've been thinking the Bowser cars were the end all SAL roundroof cars. I'm not trashing Bowser. I'm just glad that somebody could provide me with the additional info so I could make an informed choice. 1)Does Sunshine have a website? Do they produce a catalog? I hear they also make a model of the 1932 ARA boxcar in SAL markings. SAL loved their B6 class so I gotta have a few! 2)Can anyone recommend and article or book that would describe the various types of boxcar ends and doors. Until to day I didn't know the difference between a P-S end and a Dreadnaught end. 3)On the FC list there has been lots of talk about sulpher loads. I was wondering if any of these loads would have moved overland during WW2 because of the German Uboats. I know oil shipments went overland to avoid the Uboats. Thanks again. BTW...my REAL name is Richard Stallworth of Gainesville Florida. Gainesville is in North Florida...but it was on Seaboards South Florida Division.
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Re: Hills Bros photo
Richard Hendrickson
I finally got there. Nice ATSF auto box (Fe-Q maybe) in the backgroundNote also the Utah Coal Route GS gondola directly behind the SP (ex-EP&SW) gondola and, directly above the lamp post, a 36' Delaware & Hudson wood box car. Plus, of course, a whole bunch of SP B-50-15s. A photo that's full of good stuff! Richard H. Hendrickson Ashland, Oregon 97520
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Re: Hills Bros photo
thompson@...
Jon Miller said:
I finally got there. Nice ATSF auto box (Fe-Q maybe) in the backgroundJon, these photos are in the UC Berkeley library. You could contact them about prints; and there are MANY more from that period. Just the ones from the 1934 strike contain many RR items. Browse the Web site from which that one shot comes and you will find a lot more fine material. Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2942 Linden Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 http://www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com Publishers of books on railroads and on Western history
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Re: Hills Bros photo
Jon Miller <atsf@...>
Thanks Tony,
I finally got there. Nice ATSF auto box (Fe-Q maybe) in the background also. Picture has note of #67 and that is the picture number. Would sure like to have these pictures in 8x10 glossy. So much information there especially for my time period. I don't think a lot changed between then and '41. Jon Miller AT&SF For me time has stopped in 1941 Digitrax DCC owner, Chief system NMRA Life member #2623 Member SFRH&MS
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Re: Hills Bros photo
Garth G. Groff <ggg9y@...>
Jon,
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Try this URL: http://www.oac.cdlib.org:80/dynaweb/ead/calher/strike/ . Then click on container list on the menu at left. When the new window opens at right, scroll down to #67. Finally, click on medium or high resolution, your choice. While you are at it, take a look at the other pictures here. Lots of great detail--clothing, vehicles, signs, architecture, etc., and many have freight cars or locomotives. Kind regards, Garth G. Groff Jon Miller wrote:
I can't seem to get to that picture (jpg number). I did get to the
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Re: Hills Bros photo
thompson@...
Sorry Tony,You are right, Jon. That's a carriage return put in by my e-mail program. Here's what I did: cut and paste the intact line, then add the final part by typing, then carriage return in your browser to request the location. Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2942 Linden Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 http://www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com Publishers of books on railroads and on Western history
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Re: Hills Bros photo
Jon Miller <atsf@...>
Sorry Tony,
Yours also has a carriage return. I tried retyping the entire line but it won't go there. Doing a search for that jpg after I get to the strike page get nothing.Jon Miller AT&SF For me time has stopped in 1941 Digitrax DCC owner, Chief system NMRA Life member #2623 Member SFRH&MS
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