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Re: Does everyone know this exists

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Andrew Martin wrote:
As a "damned foreigner" there is sometimes a real issue in gaining access to the resources that make modelling so much fun.
My understanding is that Google Books download is restricted to the U.S. because of copyright law in different countries.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Does everyone know this exists

Andrew Martin <groups@...>
 

Storey Lindsay wrote: "You can't download the books if you are outside
the U.S."

Would someone be able to point me to a resource that would allow me to
download the book in PDF format?

As a "damned foreigner" there is sometimes a real issue in gaining
access to the resources that make modelling so much fun.

Yours sincerely
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Chief Grumpy Bear
Hunter Valley Lines

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Seaboard Boxcars

Brian J Carlson <brian@...>
 

Tonight was Seaboard boxcar night. Going thru the ORER data I came across
some interesting things (interesting to me anyway). First there is Seaboard
boxcar 20053, 40'-6" boxcar and an 8'x8' IH, and a whopping 20' x 7'-11"
door opening. What the heck needed a 20' wide side opening,and what sort of
door/carbody reinforcement was required? John Golden do you know? None of
the ORER notes offer any help. Photos anywhere?

Second, I am looking for more information on the 14000-14999 series of cars.
These were 40 6 with 8 7 IH. The ORER says "Box, Closed" in the markings and
kind of cars column. What does Closed mean? Most Seaboard entries have this.
Is this to differentiate for their ventilated cars? Were these 14000 series
cars single sheathed or steel sheathed?

Lastly from a modeling stand point it appears Seaboard turtleback kits are
still available from Sunshine (55.6-55.9) I assume the round roofs are cast
as one thick piece. Is there any top heavy issues with the solid resin roof.
I assume these are not wrapped like the B&O round roof cars, am I correct?
Thanks
Brian J Carlson P.E.
Cheektowaga NY


Re: Athearn's Genesis PS2 covered hoppers - Mission accomplished

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Got all three numbers today, via a listing on eBay. Good deal, less than retail.

Thanks to two off-line responses from this list.

I appreciate the help from the list.

SGL
La vita e breve, mangiate prima il dolce!


Re: Athearn's Genesis PS2 covered hoppers

Raymond Young
 

Schuyler,
The Erie cars are located between the ice cream and the manure on aisle 4.
Virgil Young
Amarillo, TX

----- Original Message ----
From: Schuyler Larrabee <schuyler.larrabee@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2008 10:13:07 AM
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Re: Athearn's Genesis PS2 covered hoppers


It's like selling manure and ice cream in the same aisle.

Ben Hom
The ice cream is the refrigerated stuff.

Could we pay attention to the original request? Where can I get the ERIE 3 bay car?

SGL


Re: Lima NYC/NISX stock car model

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Jul 19, 2008, at 7:45 AM, Tim O'Connor wrote:

Richard, I have a scan of NISX 167, a 40ft Mather stock car
lettered for North American Car Co. I also have a shot of a
50ft rebuild of a Mather stock car, NISX 3147, painted green
with a NYC herald. Mike Dudley did a beautiful kitbash of
NISX 3139 that he brought to an RPM meet.

As you correctly point out, these were not steam era cars.
The photos are from the early 1960's









Yes, I have several photos of ex-Mather cars with NISX reporting
marks, but all from the '60s. And I think I was aware that North
American leased stock cars to the NYC just before the Penn Central
catastrophe, though I didn't know they were painted green (and I'd
have expected them to be the same lighter green that NYC applied to
its own cars, not the dark green on the models). Anyway, those Lima
models were a disaster SO twentieth century and typical of the old
days when N "scale" wasn't a scale at all but an accumulation of
bogus toy trains. Those of us who model in HO are well aware, of
course, that the accuracy and detail of the models now available to
us are vastly better than what we had twenty years ago, but the
progress in HO pales in comparison to how far N scale has come in the
direction of real scale modeling. For example, Dalman and National
B-1 trucks in N scale? Who'd have imagined that back in the 1980s?

Richard Hendrickson


Re: Athearn's Genesis PS2 covered hoppers

Tim O'Connor
 

Tim O'Connor wrote:
Evidently Athearn is discontinuing Genesis freight cars.

This is unfortunate marketing strategy, as "Ready to Roll" covers a
wide spectrum of quality, all the way from built up cars from the old
blue box line to the newly tooled cars such as the 65 ft mill gon, the
SFRD 50 ft ice reefers, and the aformentioned newly tooled PS-2
models. It's like selling manure and ice cream in the same aisle.
Ben Hom

Ben

I agree with you about the difference in quality, but Athearn has
already released many newly tooled cars in the R-T-R line that are
very high quality -- those you mentioned plus a number of 1960's
to 2000's freight cars that are also what I would definitely call
"Intermountain quality" or better. Whatever the reason, they seem
to have decided on "R-T-R" and "Blue Box" as their freight car
lines. The strategy may be to get people to buy the old stuff at
inflated prices, by using the newer stuff as an enticement.

I don't think it means we'll be getting no more new models! That
would be tragic. :-)

Tim O'Connor


Re: Athearn's Genesis PS2 covered hoppers

Schuyler Larrabee
 

It's like selling manure and ice cream in the same aisle.

Ben Hom

The ice cream is the refrigerated stuff.

Could we pay attention to the original request? Where can I get the ERIE 3 bay car?

SGL


Re: Athearn's Genesis PS2 covered hoppers

benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
 

Tim O'Connor wrote:
"BTW they're not Genesis, just Ready To Roll. Evidently Athearn
is discontinuing Genesis freight cars. Some former Genesis cars
are being released as R-T-R."

This is unfortunate marketing strategy, as "Ready to Roll" covers a
wide spectrum of quality, all the way from built up cars from the old
blue box line to the newly tooled cars such as the 65 ft mill gon, the
SFRD 50 ft ice reefers, and the aformentioned newly tooled PS-2
models. It's like selling manure and ice cream in the same aisle.


Ben Hom


Re: Athearn's Genesis PS2 covered hoppers

Tim O'Connor
 

Schuyler

The ERIE GV 2893's had evenly spaced hatches and 70t ASF A-3
roller bearing trucks. If you change the hatches the Athearn
car is a very close match, as Ed says.

BTW they're not Genesis, just Ready To Roll. Evidently Athearn
is discontinuing Genesis freight cars. Some former Genesis cars
are being released as R-T-R.

Tim O'Connor

Schuyler,
Just so you are aware, Erie didn't have any 2,893 c.f. PS-2s. Rather,
the railroad had 100 GV-2s (21800-21899, built 7-57) of the same
capacity built by Greenville Steel Car Co. There were some differences
in the Pullman-Standard and Greenville designs; not huge differences,
but differences nonetheless. Having said that, the Athearn PS-2 model
will probably be the closest model produced to the 3-bay GV-2 since
there were only three groups of 3-bay GV-2s ever built (only two in the
STMFC time period). Besides the Erie cars, GM&O received 100 cars in
1957 while D&RGW got 150 cars 7 months too late for STMFC discussion.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


Re: Lima NYC/NISX stock car model

Tim O'Connor
 

Richard, I have a scan of NISX 167, a 40ft Mather stock car
lettered for North American Car Co. I also have a shot of a
50ft rebuild of a Mather stock car, NISX 3147, painted green
with a NYC herald. Mike Dudley did a beautiful kitbash of
NISX 3139 that he brought to an RPM meet.

As you correctly point out, these were not steam era cars.
The photos are from the early 1960's.

Tim O'Connor

No, no, and no. The models don't accurately represent any prototype
stock cars, as far as I can tell; for one thing, stock cars had long
since ceased to be built new before the late style Dreadnaught ends
were introduced. North American did not use NISX reporting marks,
nor did they lease stock cars to the NYC, during the steam/transition
era. And green paint? Whose idea was that?

Richard Hendrickson


Re: Athearn's Genesis PS2 covered hoppers

Scott Pitzer
 

--- In STMFC@..., "benjaminfrank_hom" <b.hom@...> wrote:
Scott, I don't get why you think either model is "vintage blue box".
While it's true that Athearn now has the tooling for the old MDC 2003
cu PS-2, both of the aformentioned are from new tooling.


Ben Hom
Ben,
That's not what I said. I said the opposite of what you said I said...
(say what?)

Scott Pitzer


Re: Athearn's Genesis PS2 covered hoppers

benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
 

Schuyler Larrabee wrote:
"Athearn did these in ERIE paint, gray, with the large ERIE lettering.
I was apparently completely preoccupied, probably with something
worthless like work, when these came out, and only recently found that
they'd been issued. My dealer is unable to get them from Horizon; they
just recently advised him that his 'backorder was cancelled.'

If one of you happens to see them in a hobby shop somewhere, please
advise me where it is. Thanks."

Scott Pitzer replied:
"All I know is that model isn't Genesis. It's 'modern state of the
(blue box) art.'"

We've got to clear up some confusion here. The most recent "Erie
related" PS-2 release is the newly tooled two bay 2600 cu ft model in
EL:
http://www.athearn.com/Products/Default.aspx?ProdID=ATH95528

It was annouced in January. This is not a steam-to-diesel transition
era kit, but one that 1960s and later modelers have needed for some
time.

The Erie 2893 three-bay car was annouced in March 2007 and is listed as
discontinued on Athearn's website.
http://www.athearn.com/Products/Default.aspx?ProdID=ATH93761

Scott, I don't get why you think either model is "vintage blue box".
While it's true that Athearn now has the tooling for the old MDC 2003
cu PS-2, both of the aformentioned are from new tooling.


Ben Hom


Re: Athearn's Genesis PS2 covered hoppers

Scott Pitzer
 

All I know is that model isn't Genesis. It's "modern state of the
(blue box) art."

Scott Pitzer


AC&F lot 7323 photos

Rob Kirkham <rdkirkham@...>
 

I was reviewing the St. Lious Mercantile listing of AC&F orders for the CPR this afternoon. I obtained photocopies of builders photos they had of Canadian equipment a few years ago. But today I noticed that there is no photo of this particular group of 15 "40 ton SU tank cars" built 12/5/13 (Dec. 5, 1913 I believe)

I wonder if anyone on list:
a) knows if there are any photos of this builders lot, and
b) if not from the St. Louis Mercantile, where can they be obtained?

Thanks in advance,

Rob Kirkham


Re: Athearn's Genesis PS2 covered hoppers

Schuyler Larrabee
 



On Jul 18, 2008, at 8:37 PM, Schuyler Larrabee wrote:

Athearn did these in ERIE paint, gray, with the large ERIE lettering.
I was apparently completely
preoccupied, probably with something worthless like work, when these
came out, and only recently
found that they'd been issued. My dealer is unable to get them from
Horizon; they just recently
advised him that his "backorder was cancelled."

If one of you happens to see them in a hobby shop somewhere, please
advise me where it is. Thanks.
Schuyler,
Just so you are aware, Erie didn't have any 2,893 c.f. PS-2s. Rather,
the railroad had 100 GV-2s (21800-21899, built 7-57) of the same
capacity built by Greenville Steel Car Co. There were some differences
in the Pullman-Standard and Greenville designs; not huge differences,
but differences nonetheless. Having said that, the Athearn PS-2 model
will probably be the closest model produced to the 3-bay GV-2 since
there were only three groups of 3-bay GV-2s ever built (only two in the
STMFC time period). Besides the Erie cars, GM&O received 100 cars in
1957 while D&RGW got 150 cars 7 months too late for STMFC discussion.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins

Yes, I am fully aware of that and also what the differences are (at least some of them). But as you
say, best game in town, and it is >extremely< unlikely that anyone will ever do these in plastic.
Therefore, I'll take these (presuming that I can find them).

BTW, does anyone know when these were released?

SGL


Re: GV-2 vs PS-2 by numbers?

Kurt Laughlin <fleeta@...>
 

Is there any way to tell a GV-2 from a PS-2 (any capacity) by looking at the ORER data?

KL

----- Original Message -----
From: Ed Hawkins

Just so you are aware, Erie didn't have any 2,893 c.f. PS-2s. Rather,
the railroad had 100 GV-2s (21800-21899, built 7-57) of the same
capacity built by Greenville Steel Car Co. There were some differences
in the Pullman-Standard and Greenville designs; not huge differences,
but differences nonetheless. Having said that, the Athearn PS-2 model
will probably be the closest model produced to the 3-bay GV-2 since
there were only three groups of 3-bay GV-2s ever built (only two in the
STMFC time period). Besides the Erie cars, GM&O received 100 cars in
1957 while D&RGW got 150 cars 7 months too late for STMFC discussion.


Re: Athearn's Genesis PS2 covered hoppers

Ed Hawkins
 

On Jul 18, 2008, at 8:37 PM, Schuyler Larrabee wrote:

Athearn did these in ERIE paint, gray, with the large ERIE lettering.
I was apparently completely
preoccupied, probably with something worthless like work, when these
came out, and only recently
found that they'd been issued. My dealer is unable to get them from
Horizon; they just recently
advised him that his "backorder was cancelled."

If one of you happens to see them in a hobby shop somewhere, please
advise me where it is. Thanks.
Schuyler,
Just so you are aware, Erie didn't have any 2,893 c.f. PS-2s. Rather,
the railroad had 100 GV-2s (21800-21899, built 7-57) of the same
capacity built by Greenville Steel Car Co. There were some differences
in the Pullman-Standard and Greenville designs; not huge differences,
but differences nonetheless. Having said that, the Athearn PS-2 model
will probably be the closest model produced to the 3-bay GV-2 since
there were only three groups of 3-bay GV-2s ever built (only two in the
STMFC time period). Besides the Erie cars, GM&O received 100 cars in
1957 while D&RGW got 150 cars 7 months too late for STMFC discussion.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


Re: Lima NYC/NISX stock car model

David North <davenorth@...>
 

No, no, and no. The models don't accurately represent any prototype
stock cars, as far as I can tell; for one thing, stock cars had long
since ceased to be built new before the late style Dreadnaught ends
were introduced. North American did not use NISX reporting marks,
nor did they lease stock cars to the NYC, during the steam/transition
era. And green paint?



Whose idea was that?

Richard Hendrickson



Hi Richard,

Probably the same person who painted the n scale ATSF stock cars green
(VBG).

Cheers

Dave


Re: DRG&W Boxcars 67500-69899

David North <davenorth@...>
 

Hi Richard,

I kinda thought that might be the case.

They must have been pretty rough and run down by the mid 80's.

I appreciate your clarification.

Cheers

Dave

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