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Re: Athearn's Genesis PS2 covered hoppers

Tim O'Connor
 

Tim O'Connor wrote:
Evidently Athearn is discontinuing Genesis freight cars.

This is unfortunate marketing strategy, as "Ready to Roll" covers a
wide spectrum of quality, all the way from built up cars from the old
blue box line to the newly tooled cars such as the 65 ft mill gon, the
SFRD 50 ft ice reefers, and the aformentioned newly tooled PS-2
models. It's like selling manure and ice cream in the same aisle.
Ben Hom

Ben

I agree with you about the difference in quality, but Athearn has
already released many newly tooled cars in the R-T-R line that are
very high quality -- those you mentioned plus a number of 1960's
to 2000's freight cars that are also what I would definitely call
"Intermountain quality" or better. Whatever the reason, they seem
to have decided on "R-T-R" and "Blue Box" as their freight car
lines. The strategy may be to get people to buy the old stuff at
inflated prices, by using the newer stuff as an enticement.

I don't think it means we'll be getting no more new models! That
would be tragic. :-)

Tim O'Connor


Re: Athearn's Genesis PS2 covered hoppers

Schuyler Larrabee
 

It's like selling manure and ice cream in the same aisle.

Ben Hom

The ice cream is the refrigerated stuff.

Could we pay attention to the original request? Where can I get the ERIE 3 bay car?

SGL


Re: Athearn's Genesis PS2 covered hoppers

benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
 

Tim O'Connor wrote:
"BTW they're not Genesis, just Ready To Roll. Evidently Athearn
is discontinuing Genesis freight cars. Some former Genesis cars
are being released as R-T-R."

This is unfortunate marketing strategy, as "Ready to Roll" covers a
wide spectrum of quality, all the way from built up cars from the old
blue box line to the newly tooled cars such as the 65 ft mill gon, the
SFRD 50 ft ice reefers, and the aformentioned newly tooled PS-2
models. It's like selling manure and ice cream in the same aisle.


Ben Hom


Re: Athearn's Genesis PS2 covered hoppers

Tim O'Connor
 

Schuyler

The ERIE GV 2893's had evenly spaced hatches and 70t ASF A-3
roller bearing trucks. If you change the hatches the Athearn
car is a very close match, as Ed says.

BTW they're not Genesis, just Ready To Roll. Evidently Athearn
is discontinuing Genesis freight cars. Some former Genesis cars
are being released as R-T-R.

Tim O'Connor

Schuyler,
Just so you are aware, Erie didn't have any 2,893 c.f. PS-2s. Rather,
the railroad had 100 GV-2s (21800-21899, built 7-57) of the same
capacity built by Greenville Steel Car Co. There were some differences
in the Pullman-Standard and Greenville designs; not huge differences,
but differences nonetheless. Having said that, the Athearn PS-2 model
will probably be the closest model produced to the 3-bay GV-2 since
there were only three groups of 3-bay GV-2s ever built (only two in the
STMFC time period). Besides the Erie cars, GM&O received 100 cars in
1957 while D&RGW got 150 cars 7 months too late for STMFC discussion.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


Re: Lima NYC/NISX stock car model

Tim O'Connor
 

Richard, I have a scan of NISX 167, a 40ft Mather stock car
lettered for North American Car Co. I also have a shot of a
50ft rebuild of a Mather stock car, NISX 3147, painted green
with a NYC herald. Mike Dudley did a beautiful kitbash of
NISX 3139 that he brought to an RPM meet.

As you correctly point out, these were not steam era cars.
The photos are from the early 1960's.

Tim O'Connor

No, no, and no. The models don't accurately represent any prototype
stock cars, as far as I can tell; for one thing, stock cars had long
since ceased to be built new before the late style Dreadnaught ends
were introduced. North American did not use NISX reporting marks,
nor did they lease stock cars to the NYC, during the steam/transition
era. And green paint? Whose idea was that?

Richard Hendrickson


Re: Athearn's Genesis PS2 covered hoppers

Scott Pitzer
 

--- In STMFC@..., "benjaminfrank_hom" <b.hom@...> wrote:
Scott, I don't get why you think either model is "vintage blue box".
While it's true that Athearn now has the tooling for the old MDC 2003
cu PS-2, both of the aformentioned are from new tooling.


Ben Hom
Ben,
That's not what I said. I said the opposite of what you said I said...
(say what?)

Scott Pitzer


Re: Athearn's Genesis PS2 covered hoppers

benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
 

Schuyler Larrabee wrote:
"Athearn did these in ERIE paint, gray, with the large ERIE lettering.
I was apparently completely preoccupied, probably with something
worthless like work, when these came out, and only recently found that
they'd been issued. My dealer is unable to get them from Horizon; they
just recently advised him that his 'backorder was cancelled.'

If one of you happens to see them in a hobby shop somewhere, please
advise me where it is. Thanks."

Scott Pitzer replied:
"All I know is that model isn't Genesis. It's 'modern state of the
(blue box) art.'"

We've got to clear up some confusion here. The most recent "Erie
related" PS-2 release is the newly tooled two bay 2600 cu ft model in
EL:
http://www.athearn.com/Products/Default.aspx?ProdID=ATH95528

It was annouced in January. This is not a steam-to-diesel transition
era kit, but one that 1960s and later modelers have needed for some
time.

The Erie 2893 three-bay car was annouced in March 2007 and is listed as
discontinued on Athearn's website.
http://www.athearn.com/Products/Default.aspx?ProdID=ATH93761

Scott, I don't get why you think either model is "vintage blue box".
While it's true that Athearn now has the tooling for the old MDC 2003
cu PS-2, both of the aformentioned are from new tooling.


Ben Hom


Re: Athearn's Genesis PS2 covered hoppers

Scott Pitzer
 

All I know is that model isn't Genesis. It's "modern state of the
(blue box) art."

Scott Pitzer


AC&F lot 7323 photos

Rob Kirkham <rdkirkham@...>
 

I was reviewing the St. Lious Mercantile listing of AC&F orders for the CPR this afternoon. I obtained photocopies of builders photos they had of Canadian equipment a few years ago. But today I noticed that there is no photo of this particular group of 15 "40 ton SU tank cars" built 12/5/13 (Dec. 5, 1913 I believe)

I wonder if anyone on list:
a) knows if there are any photos of this builders lot, and
b) if not from the St. Louis Mercantile, where can they be obtained?

Thanks in advance,

Rob Kirkham


Re: Athearn's Genesis PS2 covered hoppers

Schuyler Larrabee
 



On Jul 18, 2008, at 8:37 PM, Schuyler Larrabee wrote:

Athearn did these in ERIE paint, gray, with the large ERIE lettering.
I was apparently completely
preoccupied, probably with something worthless like work, when these
came out, and only recently
found that they'd been issued. My dealer is unable to get them from
Horizon; they just recently
advised him that his "backorder was cancelled."

If one of you happens to see them in a hobby shop somewhere, please
advise me where it is. Thanks.
Schuyler,
Just so you are aware, Erie didn't have any 2,893 c.f. PS-2s. Rather,
the railroad had 100 GV-2s (21800-21899, built 7-57) of the same
capacity built by Greenville Steel Car Co. There were some differences
in the Pullman-Standard and Greenville designs; not huge differences,
but differences nonetheless. Having said that, the Athearn PS-2 model
will probably be the closest model produced to the 3-bay GV-2 since
there were only three groups of 3-bay GV-2s ever built (only two in the
STMFC time period). Besides the Erie cars, GM&O received 100 cars in
1957 while D&RGW got 150 cars 7 months too late for STMFC discussion.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins

Yes, I am fully aware of that and also what the differences are (at least some of them). But as you
say, best game in town, and it is >extremely< unlikely that anyone will ever do these in plastic.
Therefore, I'll take these (presuming that I can find them).

BTW, does anyone know when these were released?

SGL


Re: GV-2 vs PS-2 by numbers?

Kurt Laughlin <fleeta@...>
 

Is there any way to tell a GV-2 from a PS-2 (any capacity) by looking at the ORER data?

KL

----- Original Message -----
From: Ed Hawkins

Just so you are aware, Erie didn't have any 2,893 c.f. PS-2s. Rather,
the railroad had 100 GV-2s (21800-21899, built 7-57) of the same
capacity built by Greenville Steel Car Co. There were some differences
in the Pullman-Standard and Greenville designs; not huge differences,
but differences nonetheless. Having said that, the Athearn PS-2 model
will probably be the closest model produced to the 3-bay GV-2 since
there were only three groups of 3-bay GV-2s ever built (only two in the
STMFC time period). Besides the Erie cars, GM&O received 100 cars in
1957 while D&RGW got 150 cars 7 months too late for STMFC discussion.


Re: Athearn's Genesis PS2 covered hoppers

Ed Hawkins
 

On Jul 18, 2008, at 8:37 PM, Schuyler Larrabee wrote:

Athearn did these in ERIE paint, gray, with the large ERIE lettering.
I was apparently completely
preoccupied, probably with something worthless like work, when these
came out, and only recently
found that they'd been issued. My dealer is unable to get them from
Horizon; they just recently
advised him that his "backorder was cancelled."

If one of you happens to see them in a hobby shop somewhere, please
advise me where it is. Thanks.
Schuyler,
Just so you are aware, Erie didn't have any 2,893 c.f. PS-2s. Rather,
the railroad had 100 GV-2s (21800-21899, built 7-57) of the same
capacity built by Greenville Steel Car Co. There were some differences
in the Pullman-Standard and Greenville designs; not huge differences,
but differences nonetheless. Having said that, the Athearn PS-2 model
will probably be the closest model produced to the 3-bay GV-2 since
there were only three groups of 3-bay GV-2s ever built (only two in the
STMFC time period). Besides the Erie cars, GM&O received 100 cars in
1957 while D&RGW got 150 cars 7 months too late for STMFC discussion.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


Re: Lima NYC/NISX stock car model

David North <davenorth@...>
 

No, no, and no. The models don't accurately represent any prototype
stock cars, as far as I can tell; for one thing, stock cars had long
since ceased to be built new before the late style Dreadnaught ends
were introduced. North American did not use NISX reporting marks,
nor did they lease stock cars to the NYC, during the steam/transition
era. And green paint?



Whose idea was that?

Richard Hendrickson



Hi Richard,

Probably the same person who painted the n scale ATSF stock cars green
(VBG).

Cheers

Dave


Re: DRG&W Boxcars 67500-69899

David North <davenorth@...>
 

Hi Richard,

I kinda thought that might be the case.

They must have been pretty rough and run down by the mid 80's.

I appreciate your clarification.

Cheers

Dave


Re: Does everyone know this exists

Frederick Freitas <prrinvt@...>
 

Guyz,
 
         Try the easy way = download to computer, then put it on a CD. You can always go back to print a specific page.
 
Fred Freitas

--- On Fri, 7/18/08, water.kresse@... <water.kresse@...> wrote:

From: water.kresse@... <water.kresse@...>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Does everyone know this exists
To: STMFC@...
Date: Friday, July 18, 2008, 11:36 AM






Go to Google search and type in "Freight Car Equipment book"

QUESTION: Is there a way to print out specific pages of this book? I just get a semi-blank page with a line going across about mid-way down.

Al Kresse

------------ -- Original message ------------ --
From: "Steve Lucas" <stevelucas3@ yahoo.ca>
I'm still fighting with the address.

Steve Lucas.

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups. com, "wmcclark1980" <walterclark@ ...> wrote:

Thanks, Ed.

Funny, I opened a new Firefox window using the first line, expecting
to copy/paste each succeeding line into the address until Google
found
the book, and only the first line was enough.

It's now sleeping peacefully on my hard drive.

Time stopped in November 1941
Walter M. Clark
Pullman, Washington, USA

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups. com, "Ed Schleyer" <ch00ch00@> wrote:

You have to get all of this in a row.(4) lines into (1)no spaces.
It's a car knockers bible. (free download) PDF file - 1910. You
might
have guessed it was gonna be a PDF file.

http://books. google.com/ books?hl= en&id=d5i7nt0Vsz 4C&dq=+%
22freight+car+ equipment%
22&printsec= frontcover& source=web& ots=MGJkN4V8FY& sig=VzL1x1rtvZn5 RLymn
mU
Xoi6uAYs&sa= X&oi=book_ result&resnum= 5&ct=result


have fun
Ed Schleyer
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]















[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


Re: When did Santa Fe drop the Ampersand (&)?

Malcolm Laughlin <mlaughlinnyc@...>
 

Ampersands were on their way out when railroads started to use IBM cards for train consists. If you look at any teletype list gernerated from IBM cards or any computer file, you will see just ATSF, CNW, etc. It was important to get as much information (as opposed to data) as possible in the 80 characters on a card. The ampersand did not add information, and without them a four character field would accomodate any reporting mark.

When the AAR started computerizing the equipment register, no ampersands were used.


Malcolm Laughlin, Editor 617-489-4383
New England Rail Shipper Directories
19 Holden Road, Belmont, MA 02478


Re: Good freight car shots from the 50's

Schuyler Larrabee
 

CGW I know leased some from URTX, and I think M&StL did, as well.

Tom
There were three cars. Are you talking about the reefer?

SGL


Athearn's Genesis PS2 covered hoppers

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Athearn did these in ERIE paint, gray, with the large ERIE lettering. I was apparently completely
preoccupied, probably with something worthless like work, when these came out, and only recently
found that they'd been issued. My dealer is unable to get them from Horizon; they just recently
advised him that his "backorder was cancelled."

If one of you happens to see them in a hobby shop somewhere, please advise me where it is. Thanks.

SGL
La vita e breve, mangiate prima il dolce!


Re: Lima NYC/NISX stock car model

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Jul 18, 2008, at 4:44 PM, David Smith wrote:

There's a set of NYC/NISX 45' stock car models (Lima N-scale)
currently
offered on eBay:

http://cgi.ebay.com/N-Scale-4-x-45-Stock-Cars-New-York-Central-
System_W0QQitemZ300242708141QQihZ020QQcategoryZ486QQssPageNameZWDVWQQr
dZ1QQcmdZViewItem#ebayphotohosting

or *http://tinyurl.com/6njaz6*

I've looked around the RPI site and the Canada Southern Site
without finding
any match and I've looked up the NISX reporting marks in the NRHS
database
and found them listed for North American Car Company, but listed as
beginning in 1961.

Are these model cars a legitimate model for an NYC prototype? For
anything
else? Are the NISX marks correct? Are they in-era?


















No, no, and no. The models don't accurately represent any prototype
stock cars, as far as I can tell; for one thing, stock cars had long
since ceased to be built new before the late style Dreadnaught ends
were introduced. North American did not use NISX reporting marks,
nor did they lease stock cars to the NYC, during the steam/transition
era. And green paint? Whose idea was that?

Richard Hendrickson


Re: ADMIN: STMFC] Re: Does everyone know this exists... is now Terminated

Ed Schleyer
 

Mike:
Does this mean I'm an undesirable is or that, someone is claiming I
cost him money?
Please explain what a"computer issue" is.
Have you looked at the contents of this book? It is given freely
by"Google" and I think it falls within the scope of this email I received.
Are you defending the person who criticized the intelligence of the
members of this group?
His Quote " Teach a man to fish and you've lost a customer."
I wish I didn't need the people in this group, they have been
Exceptional, but one.

Ed Schleyer


"You have expressed an interest in joining the Steam Era Freight Car Group.
This group operates a bit differently from some groups so I urge you to
read
and study the following information before implementing the steps needed to
join.

The objectives
include the sharing of
information about North American, standard gauge railroad freight cars
including their operation,
distribution and the various techniques of building
models of them. Discussions about the cargos of freight cars are permitted
but only as they are directly associated with a freight car. Emphasis is to
be placed on the study of the prototype with
a goal of producing models of them with as great a degree of accuracy as
possible. It should be noted that discussions by the group's members
includes questions and answers regarding the group's subject. However, it
should also be noted that the group is not to be considered necessarily
as a
library with its members prepared to respond to questions or acting as
sources for information. Such responses are entirely voluntary and at no
time is any group member obligated to respond to a request for information.
In fact, the group is not a good vehicle to transmit large amounts of
information. The group is a good vehicle, however, to provide guidance
as to
where a member might find information.

Announcements about prototype modeling events is within scope.

Personal attacks on other members or manufacturers is expressly prohibited
and may result in
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Members are permitted to criticize or praise manufacturer's products free
from criticism from other members. Criticism of a manufacturer's business
practices is, however, not within the scope of the group.

ALL SUBJECTS OTHER THAN THOSE DIRECTLY ASSOCIATED WITH STEAM ERA FREIGHT
CARS ARE PROHIBITED FROM MEMBER MESSAGES. Thus, all
admin, security, or "policing" functions will be conducted only by
myself or
my representatives. Warnings about virus activity is strictly
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Members may at any time bring any matter relating to
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I hope you enjoy participating in discussions with the group. The study of
frt cars and the modeling of them are ongoing processes and while pursuing
them remember that no question or observation is unimportant or "dumb".

If the group appears to be a good fit for you, please send me your name,
Email address and primary areas of interest.
Also, if you don't mind, how
did you find out about the STMFC? Thanks.

Mike Brock
STMFC Owner









Mike Brock wrote:


Given that the thread: "Does everyone know this exists" has become a
computer system issue and is not within the STMFC's defined scope, that
thread is now terminated.

Mike Brock
STMFC Owner

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