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Re: Tank car question
On Jul 21, 2008, at 11:36 PM, destron@... wrote:
Hopefully this is enough within the scope of this list to be okay... itFrank, We have talked about these tank cars a number of times here on this list. This is, as you note, a US built tank car. Most likely built for use in WWII. It is s SINGLE compartment tank with 2 domes (note the lack of any rivets for tank bulkheads). Only one dome has a hatch. This construction allowed enough expansion space while maintaining the tighter european clearances. There is an HO scale model of this car produced by Klein Modellbahn of Austria that might be a starting point for a decently detailed model. http://www.kleinmb.at/homepage.htm In our last discussion of this car, it was noted that at least one car was likely used in the US on the C&O however this would be an incredibly rare car on US rails ;^) Regards Bruce Bruce F. Smith Auburn, AL http://www.vetmed.auburn.edu/index.pl/bruce_f._smith2 "Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield." __ / \ __<+--+>________________\__/___ ________________________________ |- ______/ O O \_______ -| | __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ | | / 4999 PENNSYLVANIA 4999 \ | ||__||__||__||__||__||__||__||__|| |/_____________________________\|_|________________________________| | O--O \0 0 0 0/ O--O | 0-0-0 0-0-0
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Re: Biggest thing ever transported by rail? . . . up to May 1958
Gatwood, Elden J SAD
Alan;
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They were commonly placed on crosswise 4 by 6's (or similar) so one could get cables or chains under the load, and then blocked with stacks of wood blocks nailed together in as high a stack as necessary to secure the load from lateral or endwise movement. The AAR loading rules go into much detail on how to secure each type of load. If the crates were tall, or had a high center of gravity, they would put pieces of wood up the ends and put diagonals up against them to prevent it from tipping. Steel-floored gons had to have cribbing installed since you couldn't nail the blocks to the floor, and were much more complicated to secure many loads in. This was why some railroads did not have a lot of steel-floored gons, even though they were probably more durable. Some shippers insisted on wood floors. Elden Gatwood ________________________________ From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Monk Alan Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 5:31 AM To: STMFC@... Subject: RE: [STMFC] Biggest thing ever transported by rail? . . . up to May 1958 Hmmm... strictly speaking, it's not a single *load* though. When broken down into it's constituent parts, it required something like 5 or 6 separate trains to move Dora from place to place (plus a train for the security battalion, a train for the flak batallion, a train for the engineers....) When set up in the firing location, it sat on a pair of curved parallel tracks and was moved up and down by a pair of specialist low-geared diesel locos. I am tempted by the 1:35 kit though... and I've seen a website for a scratchbuilt one-SIXTH scale model too. (IMHO largest 'rail mounted' load would be a complete Saturn V on the 'railroad' linking the VAB and the pad ^_^ ) Onto more list-relevant matters :) When crates were loaded into gons, how was the load restrained from sliding along or across the gon?? Ropes? Chains? Chocks/blocks?? I've got a couple of gons which I want to load with crates, but I've yet to find a pic looking down into one so loaded. Cheers, Alan, London, UK
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From: destron@... <mailto:destron%40vcn.bc.ca> Sent: 22 July 2008 05:20 To: STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [STMFC] Biggest thing ever transported by rail? . . . up to May 1958 2 questions back: 1, does that 'biggest' have to have been something in the US? 2, does a railway gun count? If the answers are NO and YES respectively... maybe this: http://railserbia.net/forum/download/file.php?id=10854 <http://railserbia.net/forum/download/file.php?id=10854> <http://railserbia.net/forum/download/file.php?id=10854 <http://railserbia.net/forum/download/file.php?id=10854> > - this is a 1/35 model of the monster... http://railserbia.net/forum/download/file.php?id=10845 <http://railserbia.net/forum/download/file.php?id=10845> <http://railserbia.net/forum/download/file.php?id=10845 <http://railserbia.net/forum/download/file.php?id=10845> > - a ww2 era photo of the prototype... http://railserbia.net/forum/download/file.php?id=10849&t=1 <http://railserbia.net/forum/download/file.php?id=10849&t=1> <http://railserbia.net/forum/download/file.php?id=10849&t=1 <http://railserbia.net/forum/download/file.php?id=10849&t=1> > - a shell for the thing, next to a T-34 tank... Crazy Russians... :D Frank Valoczy Vancouver, BC Folks,NEWS article from May 30, 1958. It deals with a very large atomicreactor movement via river barge up the Tennessee River to the C&O atMuncie, Indiana, up to Grand Rapids, Michigan, and finally over to theEnrico Fermi plant site 30 miles south of Detroit. Biggest appears tobe defined as a "height [22'above top of rails]and width [14' 61/2"] combo" definition. We are NOT talking about long Butane Tanksthat are almost three flat cars long. The weight was only 91 tons.wheel assemblies that appeared to have gone down between the railsin special to meet height requirements.time, so no real rush. . <http://geo.yahoo.com/serv?s=97359714/grpId=2554753/grpspId=1705169725/m <http://geo.yahoo.com/serv?s=97359714/grpId=2554753/grpspId=1705169725/m> sgId=74400/stime=1216700385/nc1=4430620/nc2=3848627/nc3=5028924> ******************************************************************** The contents of the e-mail and any transmitted files are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. Transport for London hereby exclude any warranty and any liability as to the quality or accuracy of the contents of this email and any attached transmitted files. If you are not the intended recipient be advised that you have received this email in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing or copying of this email is strictly prohibited., If you have received this email in error please notify postmaster@... <mailto:postmaster%40tfl.gov.uk> ., This email has been sent from Transport for London, or from one of the companies within its control within the meaning of Part V of the Local Government and Housing Act 1989. Further details about TfL and its subsidiary companies can be found at http://www.tfl.gov.uk/ourcompany, <http://www.tfl.gov.uk/ourcompany,> This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept for the presence of computer viruses. ********************************************************************
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Re: Biggest thing ever transported by rail? . . . up to May 1958
Monk Alan <Alan.Monk@...>
Hmmm... strictly speaking, it's not a single *load* though.
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When broken down into it's constituent parts, it required something like 5 or 6 separate trains to move Dora from place to place (plus a train for the security battalion, a train for the flak batallion, a train for the engineers....) When set up in the firing location, it sat on a pair of curved parallel tracks and was moved up and down by a pair of specialist low-geared diesel locos. I am tempted by the 1:35 kit though... and I've seen a website for a scratchbuilt one-SIXTH scale model too. (IMHO largest 'rail mounted' load would be a complete Saturn V on the 'railroad' linking the VAB and the pad ^_^ ) Onto more list-relevant matters :) When crates were loaded into gons, how was the load restrained from sliding along or across the gon?? Ropes? Chains? Chocks/blocks?? I've got a couple of gons which I want to load with crates, but I've yet to find a pic looking down into one so loaded. Cheers, Alan, London, UK
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From: destron@... Sent: 22 July 2008 05:20 To: STMFC@... Subject: Re: [STMFC] Biggest thing ever transported by rail? . . . up to May 1958 2 questions back: 1, does that 'biggest' have to have been something in the US? 2, does a railway gun count? If the answers are NO and YES respectively... maybe this: http://railserbia.net/forum/download/file.php?id=10854 <http://railserbia.net/forum/download/file.php?id=10854> - this is a 1/35 model of the monster... http://railserbia.net/forum/download/file.php?id=10845 <http://railserbia.net/forum/download/file.php?id=10845> - a ww2 era photo of the prototype... http://railserbia.net/forum/download/file.php?id=10849&t=1 <http://railserbia.net/forum/download/file.php?id=10849&t=1> - a shell for the thing, next to a T-34 tank... Crazy Russians... :D Frank Valoczy Vancouver, BC > Folks, > > This is a loaded question. It is is relation to a C&O Chessie NEWS > article from May 30, 1958. It deals with a very large atomic reactor > movement via river barge up the Tennessee River to the C&O at Muncie, > Indiana, up to Grand Rapids, Michigan, and finally over to the Enrico > Fermi plant site 30 miles south of Detroit. Biggest appears to be > defined as a "height [22'above top of rails]and width [14' 6 1/2"] > combo" definition. We are NOT talking about long Butane Tanks that are > almost three flat cars long. The weight was only 91 tons. > > Do you have one bigger than the C&O's PR guy's for this time > frame? . . . if so, please related. There were water turbine wheel > assemblies that appeared to have gone down between the rails in special > to meet height requirements. > > I'm leaving this question and running off on vacation for some time, so > no real rush. > > Thanks, > > Al Kresse . <http://geo.yahoo.com/serv?s=97359714/grpId=2554753/grpspId=1705169725/m sgId=74400/stime=1216700385/nc1=4430620/nc2=3848627/nc3=5028924> ******************************************************************** The contents of the e-mail and any transmitted files are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. Transport for London hereby exclude any warranty and any liability as to the quality or accuracy of the contents of this email and any attached transmitted files. If you are not the intended recipient be advised that you have received this email in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing or copying of this email is strictly prohibited., If you have received this email in error please notify postmaster@...., This email has been sent from Transport for London, or from one of the companies within its control within the meaning of Part V of the Local Government and Housing Act 1989. Further details about TfL and its subsidiary companies can be found at http://www.tfl.gov.uk/ourcompany, This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept for the presence of computer viruses. ********************************************************************
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Re: New Tahoe Truck
tmolsen@...
Sorry Guys,
This was to be off list and I forgot to put Brian's email address in the address line. Regards, Tom Olsen Newark, Delaware, 19711-7479
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Re: New Tahoe Truck
tmolsen@...
Hi Brian,
Please send me a copy of the flyer for the new Buckeye truck so that I can make a decision as to whether I need it and if so how many. Best Regards, Tom Olsen 7 Boundary Road, West Branch Newark, Delaware, 19711-7479 (302) 738-4292 tmolsen@...
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Tank car question
destron@...
Hopefully this is enough within the scope of this list to be okay... it
*is* steam era, and it *is* railway, and it *is* American... made. http://galerija.railserbia.net/details.php?image_id=793 On the photo visible in the link above is an American-made tank car that ended up with the Yugoslavian Railways; the one above was taken in Belgrade (Serbia) but I've personally seen one in Ljubljana (Slovenia) on a storage track at the railway museum at Ljubljana-Siska, and what I'm pretty sure was one of these cars at the Doboj yards in Bosnia. Technical and other information I can get from the Serbian and Croatian railway forums, but I'm wondering if anyone knows of a model that could be used to model these cars? Thanks. Frank Valoczy Vancouver, BC ----- http://hydrorail.hostwq.net/index.html - Rails along the Fraser http://hydrorail.rrpicturearchives.net/ - Rail Photos
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Re: Biggest thing ever transported by rail? . . . up to May 1958
destron@...
2 questions back: 1, does that 'biggest' have to have been something in
the US? 2, does a railway gun count? If the answers are NO and YES respectively... maybe this: http://railserbia.net/forum/download/file.php?id=10854 - this is a 1/35 model of the monster... http://railserbia.net/forum/download/file.php?id=10845 - a ww2 era photo of the prototype... http://railserbia.net/forum/download/file.php?id=10849&t=1 - a shell for the thing, next to a T-34 tank... Crazy Russians... :D Frank Valoczy Vancouver, BC Folks, ----- http://hydrorail.hostwq.net/index.html - Rails along the Fraser http://hydrorail.rrpicturearchives.net/ - Rail Photos
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Re: Loading Box Shook
Lee Thwaits <leethwaits@...>
In the far distant past ( about 1953, 54) I worked a couple of summers in a packing house (pears, not citrus) and helped unload some carloads of box shook. The box cars were loaded to the top of the doors and tight up against the doors. As I recall it was quite hard to get the doors open because the shook was so tight against the doors. The box making machines were in the basement and the shook was moved to the basement down a chute.
Lee Thwaits
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Biggest thing ever transported by rail? . . . up to May 1958
al.kresse <water.kresse@...>
Folks,
This is a loaded question. It is is relation to a C&O Chessie NEWS article from May 30, 1958. It deals with a very large atomic reactor movement via river barge up the Tennessee River to the C&O at Muncie, Indiana, up to Grand Rapids, Michigan, and finally over to the Enrico Fermi plant site 30 miles south of Detroit. Biggest appears to be defined as a "height [22'above top of rails]and width [14' 6 1/2"] combo" definition. We are NOT talking about long Butane Tanks that are almost three flat cars long. The weight was only 91 tons. Do you have one bigger than the C&O's PR guy's for this time frame? . . . if so, please related. There were water turbine wheel assemblies that appeared to have gone down between the rails in special to meet height requirements. I'm leaving this question and running off on vacation for some time, so no real rush. Thanks, Al Kresse
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Re: Spray booth
pierreoliver2003 <pierre.oliver@...>
Brian,
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I just replaced my worn out Badger unit from many years ago with a Paasche unit. http://www.paascheairbrush.com/booths_hssb.html I'm very pleased with the results. I've been using it now for about 4 weeks and am wishing I'd done this years ago. The exhaust motor is quite powerful, yet reasonably quiet. I purchased the unit through this guy, http://airbrush-outlet.stores.yahoo.net/index.html Good prices and quick delivery. Buy extra filters while you're at it. Pierre Oliver
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Re: New Tahoe Truck
Brian Leppert <b.leppert@...>
Armand,
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I don't know why, but I'm pretty computer ignorant. If you give me a mailing address, I'll snail-mail it to you. Brian Tahoe Model Works
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From: "Armand Premo" <armprem@...> To: <STMFC@...> Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 1:19 PM Subject: Re: [STMFC] New Tahoe Truck Brian,Have a problem.Even though my computer has Microsoft Word,I can't open
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Spray booth
Brian J Carlson <brian@...>
I am in the market for a paint booth for my airbrushing endeavors. I'm
looking for any recommendations and pointers before I buy one. Thanks. Brian J Carlson P.E. Cheektowaga NY
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Re: Lima NYC/NISX stock car model
Charlie Vlk
Richard-
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As the thread wandered from the specific Lima N Scale car, I thought I would add some information about the nearest prototype to the Lima car. I am not defending a car that has been resized to fit a common underframe (in fact, in my role as a consultant have recommended to Hornby that none of the Lima freight cars are worth refurbishing except as mold bases for new inserts). The SM-19Cs were an extension of the SM-19A (composite ends) and SM-19B (improved Dreadnaught ends) classes which were 40 ft cars .... and, while technically beyond the dates of this list, of some interest in that the cars were built as an extension of steam era car types so late in the game and were constructed as 50 footers with only a change in subclass and not class as would be expected. Charlie Vlk
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From: Richard Hendrickson To: STMFC@... Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 2:56 PM Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Lima NYC/NISX stock car model On Jul 21, 2008, at 11:27 AM, Charlie Vlk wrote: > The CB&Q SM-19C cars were built by Havelock Shops in Nov and Dec of > 1962. They have > Stanray Diagonal Panel Roofs and 4/5 Improved Dreadnaught ends. The > N Scale Lima car > has the same arrangement of truss and slats as the Q car but the > roof and ends are incorrect. > Charlie Vlk > > No, no, and no. The models don't accurately represent any prototype > stock cars, as far as I can tell; for one thing, stock cars had > long since ceased to be built new before the late style Dreadnaught > ends were introduced. North American did not use NISX reporting > marks, nor did they lease stock cars to the NYC, during the steam/ > transition era. And green paint? Whose idea was that? > > Richard Hendrickson > What's your point, Charlie? Is this intended as a defense of Lima's toy stock car, the only problems with which are that it was 45' long, had the wrong ends and roof, and was painted dark green? In any case, why are you citing the Q's SM-19C class, since it was built well beyond the cutoff date for this list. Richard Hendrickson No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.3/1564 - Release Date: 7/21/2008 6:42 AM
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Re: Loading Box Shook
eabracher@...
In a message dated 7/21/08 8:29:17 AM, railsnw@... writes:
Anybody have the size of a lug box?I measured one of my pear boxes. It is Length 24", width 15" and height 9". All the local canner's and growers used this size box in Santa Clara Valley. eric ************** Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020)
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Re: New Tahoe Truck
armprem
Brian,Have a problem.Even though my computer has Microsoft Word,I can't open it.Armand
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From: "Brian Leppert" <b.leppert@...> To: <STMFC@...> Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 12:01 PM Subject: [STMFC] New Tahoe Truck A flyer for Tahoe Model Works's newest offering, an HO scale "Buckeye -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 269.24.0/1462 - Release Date: 5/23/2008 7:20 AM
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Re: Athearn Wood sheathed reefer
Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
Ben Hom wrote:
There isn't a prototype that matches this model exactly. It's closest to PFE Class R-40-24, originally rebuilt from older cars in 1948 with Improved Dreadnaught ends . . . Therefore, (with the exception of the wide steel side sills, which are incorrect for this prototype), the Athearn model represents these cars post-1955. See Thompson/Church/Jones' _Pacific Fruit Express_ for more information.Ben's summary is fine. I covered the Athearn conversion in my modeling article in RMC, March 1987. Another shortcoming of the Athearn model relative to PFE is that the sheathing retaining angle is too high up on the car side. But given all the other problems with the Athearn body, including the door being too short, this is really a small nit. Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@... Publishers of books on railroad history
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Re: Athearn Wood sheathed reefer
Andy Miller <aslmmiller@...>
Thanx Ben. PFE R-40-24 New 55
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"There ARE dashes in PFE clsasses" ;-) regards, Andy Miller
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From: benjaminfrank_hom To: STMFC@... Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 2:38 PM Subject: [STMFC] Re: Athearn Wood sheathed reefer Andy Miller wrote: "I have been asked to paint an Athearn wood sheathed reefer for my club. This is the 40' HO model with a 12' running board height and a dreadnaught steel end." Don't you mean improved Dreadnaught end? This model is essentially a wood-sheathed body tooled to fit the roof/end part from the Athearn steel reefer. "Does anyone know of a prototype or near prototype for this car? Did WFEX ever rebuild some of its cars with steel ends and retain the wood sides? That would be my preference." There isn't a prototype that matches this model exactly. It's closest to PFE Class R-40-24, originally rebuilt from older cars in 1948 with Improved Dreadnaught ends and plywood sheathing. The plywood tended to weather badly in service (curling at the edges), and was replaced with wood sheathing in 1955. Therefore, (with the exception of the wide steel side sills, which are incorrect for this prototype), the Athearn model represents these cars post-1955. See Thompson/Church/Jones' _Pacific Fruit Express_ for more information. Ben Hom
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Re: Lima NYC/NISX stock car model
Richard Hendrickson
On Jul 21, 2008, at 11:27 AM, Charlie Vlk wrote:
The CB&Q SM-19C cars were built by Havelock Shops in Nov and Dec of Richard Hendrickson What's your point, Charlie? Is this intended as a defense of Lima's toy stock car, the only problems with which are that it was 45' long, had the wrong ends and roof, and was painted dark green? In any case, why are you citing the Q's SM-19C class, since it was built well beyond the cutoff date for this list. Richard Hendrickson
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Re: Loading Box Shook (Converted Flat Cars)
Garth G. Groff <ggg9y@...>
Richard,
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The Diamond Match Co.'s mill at Paradise, California, owned two ex-Sacramento Northern passenger cars, one a formerly-powered combine and the other a trailer. Doors were cut into the sides, and they were used in interplant shook service from around 1942 to 1947. Then they were cut down to straight flat cars, though for what purpose I don't know. Kind regards, Garth G. Groff railsnw1 wrote:
On the Yakima Valley Transportation Co. they had 14 wood flat cars aquired in 1909 and 1910. When the connection to the Cascade Lumber Co. sawmill in Yakima was made they would ship box shook from the mill to the various packing houses along the YVT using these flat cars. I'm not sure if sides were added but as they also used these cars to haul gravel they probably had low side boards at least.
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Re: Loading Box Shook (Converted Flat Cars)
railsnw1 <railsnw@...>
On the Yakima Valley Transportation Co. they had 14 wood flat cars
aquired in 1909 and 1910. When the connection to the Cascade Lumber Co. sawmill in Yakima was made they would ship box shook from the mill to the various packing houses along the YVT using these flat cars. I'm not sure if sides were added but as they also used these cars to haul gravel they probably had low side boards at least. Richard Wilkens --- In STMFC@..., "Bob Chaparro" <thecitrusbelt@...> wrote: car shortage many years ago.flats retrofitted into these temporary box cars specifically for box shookdid get interchanged to the outside world.
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