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Re: Dow Chemical Tanks

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Jul 31, 2008, at 5:43 AM, gregudolph wrote:

Hello,
I was thinking about modeling a Dow Chemical 8000 gal or 10,000
tank. I have a picture of a DOWX tank from about 1938 and I think it
would be a great model if I could figure out what it actually looked
like. I believe the ends and sides are white except the middle which
is black. The big DOW Logo is on the right while the left says Dow
Chemical Company DOWX 10305.
Does anyone have any information about these tanks? Proper color
schemes, white/aluminum paint, etc.. Also does anyone have or know
where I can get some kind of lettering diagram so I know what color
the logo and letter is. Any help will do. Thanks for your time.












Greg, Dow had a sizable fleet of tank cars, but they're not easy to
model because most of them had various types of special equipment:
aluminum tanks, tank linings, insulation, acid domes, dome platforms
and railings, etc. DOWX 10305 is shown in the 10/38 ORER as a 10,000
gal. ICC-103, so it may be possible to model it with a commercially
available kit, but of course the ORER tells us nothing about who
built the car or when it was built. If you can scan your photo and
send me the image as a JPEG, I can probably identify the builder,
type date built, etc. However, that's only a part of your problem.
Ca. 1940 Dow completely renumbered their tank car fleet, and it's
difficult (and may not be possible) to reconstruct what number DOWX
10305 got when it was renumbered. Dow's paint and lettering schemes
changed over the years as well, and different cars were painted and
lettered differently. I may be able to help with paint and
lettering, but only if you can tell me what date you model (and
please don't say "the 1940s" or "the 1950s"; you need to narrow it
down more than that).

Richard Hendrickson


Any recommendations for Minneapolis & St. Louis boxcar green?

Charlie Duckworth <trduck@...>
 

I have a 1937 boxcar ready to paint plus Greg Komar's excellent dry
transfers, what your guys recommendations for a M&StL green for the
boxcar?

Thanks - Charlie


Re: ACF type 7 "high walkway" tank cars - AB brakes

Charlie Vlk
 

While they were out of revenue service as on other roads, the Q had a number of them in use after WWII as auxilary water tenders
and they survived in work train service through the BN merger. There is a shot of FW&D 15017 in the Q equipment color guide that
is equipped with ABs.
Charlie Vlk


Re: ACF type 7 "high walkway" tank cars - AB brakes

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Bruce Smith wrote:
. . . the reason you can't find photos is that few if any cars were converted. Most of the type 7s
were gone by WWII, and the rest departed general service shortly thereafter.
There were a few T&NO cars in the late 1950s, in revenue service and converted. Seven of them survived to be renumbered at the T&NO merger into SP in 1961.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Milw Rib Side box

Charles Hladik
 

List,
I'm trying to replace cast details on a Rib Side Car Company Milwaukee
Road 40 foot double door, short ribside, boxcar. I have used DA bracket grabs
but am unsure of what type, drop or straight, grabs were on the end sills.
Any info is appreciated.
Thanks,

Chuck Hladik
Rutland Railroad
Virginia Division
NMRA L5756




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Re: ACF type 7 "high walkway" tank cars - AB brakes

Tim O'Connor
 

W&R made 1, 2 and 4 dome cars with AB brakes. They represent
Northern Pacific cars in company service in the 1950's and 1960's.
The cars came with NP decals.

Tim O'Connor

-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Bruce Smith <smithbf@...>
Steve,

By "one of these", do you mean a type 7 with AB brakes? Who made
that model? Or a is your model the W&R brass model with K brakes? If
it is the later, then the answer is a unequivocal no as K brakes were
finally banned as of January 1, 1954 on all cars in interchange.
IIRC, some of these cars lasted a bit past that date in MOW service
on railroads, but not in general service.

And to belatedly address Rob's question, the reason you can't find
photos is that few if any cars were converted. Most of the type 7s
were gone by WWII, and the rest departed general service shortly
thereafter. There would have been little or no financial incentive
to convert these cars as they would have been 40+ years old by the
conversion deadline. Why do you want to model these cars with AB
brakes?


Re: PFE R-30-16 rebuild lettering help needed

Bruce Smith
 

On Jul 30, 2008, at 10:02 PM, Richard Hendrickson wrote:

Bruce, I have no suitable photos of an R-30-12-16 with Bettendorf
underframe. However, I'm sending you off-list a 4/48 photo of an
R-30-13-16 with twin-center-sill underframe which still had KC air
brakes. To model this car, you will have to rework the underframe by
using a Tichy u/f instead of the R/C u/f. In case you're tempted to
just model this car with the wrong underframe, I'm sending a separate
e-mail to Briana delegating her to act as a member of the Prototype
Police so you'll have to stay on the straight and narrow.
Richard,

Thanks for the information! Me, tempted? NEVER! Besides, I already went to all the trouble to shave off the brake linkages on the RC u/f and replace them. I could also use the Terry Wegman u/f that comes with the R-30-18 kit, right? Hmmm... maybe if I use the RC R-30-9 ends on a Wegman R-30-18, I could model that R-30-13-16 - probably easier to add the Wegman roof and u/f to the RC body and ends...

Regards
Bruce

Bruce F. Smith
Auburn, AL
http://www.vetmed.auburn.edu/index.pl/bruce_f._smith2

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Re: ACF type 7 "high walkway" tank cars - AB brakes

Bruce Smith
 

Steve,

By "one of these", do you mean a type 7 with AB brakes? Who made that model? Or a is your model the W&R brass model with K brakes? If it is the later, then the answer is a unequivocal no as K brakes were finally banned as of January 1, 1954 on all cars in interchange. IIRC, some of these cars lasted a bit past that date in MOW service on railroads, but not in general service.

And to belatedly address Rob's question, the reason you can't find photos is that few if any cars were converted. Most of the type 7s were gone by WWII, and the rest departed general service shortly thereafter. There would have been little or no financial incentive to convert these cars as they would have been 40+ years old by the conversion deadline. Why do you want to model these cars with AB brakes?

Regards
Bruce

Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL

On Jul 31, 2008, at 6:23 AM, Steve Lucas wrote:

I picked up one of these in HO a while back. Were any of these cars
around in 1956, say, with any of the major firms--North American,
GATX, or UTLX?

Steve Lucas.

--- In STMFC@..., "Rob M." <rule292@...> wrote:

Hello List,

I've been digging so far with no avail to find any photographic
evidence of ACF type 7 "high walkway" tank cars in commercial
service with converted AB brakes. I've checked my magazines, I've
googled online and I looked at Bob's Photos at the National; all to
no avail.
<SNIP>
I was hoping to do 8k and 10k cars with AB brake conversions but I
need some in-service photos that I can match up to my ORER's.


Dow Chemical Tanks

gregudolph <gregudolph@...>
 

Hello,
I was thinking about modeling a Dow Chemical 8000 gal or 10,000
tank. I have a picture of a DOWX tank from about 1938 and I think it
would be a great model if I could figure out what it actually looked
like. I believe the ends and sides are white except the middle which
is black. The big DOW Logo is on the right while the left says Dow
Chemical Company DOWX 10305.
Does anyone have any information about these tanks? Proper color
schemes, white/aluminum paint, etc.. Also does anyone have or know
where I can get some kind of lettering diagram so I know what color
the logo and letter is. Any help will do. Thanks for your time.

Keep Steaming,
Greg Udolph
Owosso, MI


Re: I love this photo!

jerryglow2
 

I'll jump in to give you a quick response. It's an "ezine" available
as PDFs from:
http://www.prrths.com/Keystone%20Modeler/Keystone_Modeler.htm
They keep recent issues available for free download and have CDs of
archived issues available for a fee.

Jerry Glow

--- In STMFC@..., "Steve Lucas" <stevelucas3@...> wrote:

Elden--

Is TKM a printed magazine, or it is available on-line?

Steve Lucas.

--- In STMFC@..., "Gatwood, Elden J SAD "
<elden.j.gatwood@> wrote:

BTW, the July issue of TKM has a whole lot of photos illustrating
these
points. Take a look....



Elden Gatwood


Re: I love this photo!

benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
 

Steve Lucas asked:
"Is TKM a printed magazine, or it is available on-line?"

Online.
http://www.prrths.com/Keystone%20Modeler/Keystone_Modeler.htm


Ben Hom


Re: ACF type 7 "high walkway" tank cars - AB brakes

Steve Lucas <stevelucas3@...>
 

I picked up one of these in HO a while back. Were any of these cars
around in 1956, say, with any of the major firms--North American,
GATX, or UTLX?

Steve Lucas.

--- In STMFC@..., "Rob M." <rule292@...> wrote:

Hello List,

I've been digging so far with no avail to find any photographic
evidence of ACF type 7 "high walkway" tank cars in commercial
service with converted AB brakes. I've checked my magazines, I've
googled online and I looked at Bob's Photos at the National; all to
no avail.

I've searched and so far haven't found anything other than the
builders photos in my Kaminski book as well as the other in-service
photos (mostly graciously from the folks on this list) on Rich
Yoder's web site with K brakes.

I was hoping to do 8k and 10k cars with AB brake conversions but I
need some in-service photos that I can match up to my ORER's.

Does anyone have photos available/for sale of these cars with AB
brakes or has anyone seen any photos of them in other sources?

Thanks in advance!

Rob Mondichak
Allentown PA.


Re: I love this photo!

Steve Lucas <stevelucas3@...>
 

Elden--

Is TKM a printed magazine, or it is available on-line?

Steve Lucas.

--- In STMFC@..., "Gatwood, Elden J SAD "
<elden.j.gatwood@...> wrote:

BTW, the July issue of TKM has a whole lot of photos illustrating
these
points. Take a look....



Elden Gatwood


Re: PFE R-30-16 rebuild lettering help needed

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Jul 30, 2008, at 6:44 PM, Bruce Smith wrote:

I'm to the point of lettering a PFE R-30-16 that I recently built
from a
Wegman/RC kit. In looking in Thompson, Church and Jones (aka, "the
orange
bible") I see that this class was rebuilt from classes R-30-12,
R-30-13,
R-30-14 and R-40-2 and was numbered 73001-76554. Since I modeled
K-brakes, and 74198-76554 received AB brakes while 74096-74195 had
plywood
sheathing, I need to number the car in the range of 73001-74095.

My problem is as follows. The book says “When rebuilt, these cars
had the
–16 sub-class added to their original class”. Looking at the few -16
rebuilt photos in the book, it appears that as rebuilt, the car
would have
been stenciled "R-30-12-16" if, for example, it had been rebuilt
from an
R-30-12. For my era of 1944, I'm pretty sure that my -16 rebuild
needs to
be lettered this way - right? Alas, I have not found any photos of
a -16
in that range, and I cannot find any indication of what cars were
rebuilt
from which classes. I thought I might be able to eliminate the R-40-2
predecessors by their capacity in the ORER, but all cars in the
series are
listed as 70,000 lbs. Any help connecting a low numbered R-30-16
with its
predecessor class would be much appreciated!




















Bruce, I have no suitable photos of an R-30-12-16 with Bettendorf
underframe. However, I'm sending you off-list a 4/48 photo of an
R-30-13-16 with twin-center-sill underframe which still had KC air
brakes. To model this car, you will have to rework the underframe by
using a Tichy u/f instead of the R/C u/f. In case you're tempted to
just model this car with the wrong underframe, I'm sending a separate
e-mail to Briana delegating her to act as a member of the Prototype
Police so you'll have to stay on the straight and narrow.

Richard Hendrickson



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Re: PFE R-30-16 rebuild lettering help needed

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Bruce Smith wrote:
Any help connecting a low numbered R-30-16 with its predecessor class would be much appreciated!
Bruce, PFE kept a giant list of ALL cars converted from older cars. The original (about five inches thick) is at CSRM, but I have a Xerox. Let me know what car number you want to use, and I'll look it up and tell you the prior class and car number.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


PFE R-30-16 rebuild lettering help needed

Bruce Smith
 

Folks,

I'm to the point of lettering a PFE R-30-16 that I recently built from a
Wegman/RC kit. In looking in Thompson, Church and Jones (aka, "the orange
bible") I see that this class was rebuilt from classes R-30-12, R-30-13,
R-30-14 and R-40-2 and was numbered 73001-76554. Since I modeled
K-brakes, and 74198-76554 received AB brakes while 74096-74195 had plywood
sheathing, I need to number the car in the range of 73001-74095.

My problem is as follows. The book says �When rebuilt, these cars had the
�16 sub-class added to their original class�. Looking at the few -16
rebuilt photos in the book, it appears that as rebuilt, the car would have
been stenciled "R-30-12-16" if, for example, it had been rebuilt from an
R-30-12. For my era of 1944, I'm pretty sure that my -16 rebuild needs to
be lettered this way - right? Alas, I have not found any photos of a -16
in that range, and I cannot find any indication of what cars were rebuilt
from which classes. I thought I might be able to eliminate the R-40-2
predecessors by their capacity in the ORER, but all cars in the series are
listed as 70,000 lbs. Any help connecting a low numbered R-30-16 with its
predecessor class would be much appreciated!

Regards
Bruce

Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


ACF type 7 "high walkway" tank cars - AB brakes

Rob M.
 

Hello List,

I've been digging so far with no avail to find any photographic
evidence of ACF type 7 "high walkway" tank cars in commercial
service with converted AB brakes. I've checked my magazines, I've
googled online and I looked at Bob's Photos at the National; all to
no avail.

I've searched and so far haven't found anything other than the
builders photos in my Kaminski book as well as the other in-service
photos (mostly graciously from the folks on this list) on Rich
Yoder's web site with K brakes.

I was hoping to do 8k and 10k cars with AB brake conversions but I
need some in-service photos that I can match up to my ORER's.

Does anyone have photos available/for sale of these cars with AB
brakes or has anyone seen any photos of them in other sources?

Thanks in advance!

Rob Mondichak
Allentown PA.


Naperville 2008

Jim & Lisa Hayes <jimandlisa97225@...>
 

In today's mail I received a flyer with information about this year's
Sunshine Naperville meet. I've added it to my website at
www.sunshinekits.com <http://www.sunshinekits.com/> . Just click on the
Sunshine Meets link to find it.

Jim Hayes
Portland Oregon


Re: R Y Models Virginian Battleship Gondolas

Gary Patrik
 

Rich,

That "fat" (only 33' long) 10k gal. high walkway Texaco tank looks great in
the train next to my Red Caboose 10k gal. SHPX 36' tank. Gotta put an
Intermountain 8k gal. tank to it for even greater contrast.

I sure am glad you could visit - I love to show off my Fort Wayne Division
to friends. Started gandy dancing again, got 6' of a siding in - code 125
ME track, ROW fishplate-joiners soldered between the code 125 and code 148
to keep the rail-top level and solid.

Breathlessly (and secretly) awaiting 2D-F8 trucks, at least 30 pair.

On Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 10:33 PM, Richard Yoder <oscale48@...>wrote:

Hi All.
I just received the last of the "O" Scale Virginian Battleship
Gondolas from my builder. $340. while they last. Heck, only $200. less
the asking price than the ones on Ebay!

Rich Yoder
7 Edgedale Court
Wyomissing PA 19610-1913
EST 6:30PM 10:00 PM
www.richyodermodels.com


--
Best regards,
Gary Patrik, Supt., Fort Wayne Division, Pennsylvania Railroad (July 1945,
O-scale)


New Tahoe Model Works Buckeye Truck

Ralph Miller <nkpwle@...>
 

To all -

Brian has informed us that our 1st shipment of his new Buckeye ARA
truck has shipped and should be arriving either tomorrow or Friday of
this week.

Because of this, I have decided to allow ordering in advance and we
have uploaded ordering pages for both the RP-25 and semi scale
versions. In addition, because many of you will be replacing existing
trucks but already have wheelsets that you like, we will offering the
new truck without wheelsets in 3 pair packages. This is now uploaded
as well.

To find the new truck in the Craftsman's store go to:
http://www.cmrrs.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Category_Code=HOTCTMW

and scroll down halfway for the RP-25's and all the way for the
semi-scale. Ignore the "in stock" notice until tomorrow.

Please, if you want to order bulk or large orders, use our Special
Order page and we will rush your order as quickly as we (and Brian) can.

Thanks

Ralph Miller
Craftsman's Model Railroad Supply
http://www.cmrrs.com

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