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Re: Clinchfield 40' Gondola

ATSF1226
 

Al,
The Clinchfield sent most of it's Coal south to Spartanburg,SC where
it interchanged with the SAL and Southern RR's. It also interchanged
Coal loads with N&W at St. Paul, VA, C&O at Elkhorn City, KY,
Southern at two other points. Johnson City, Tn and Marion, NC. A lot
of C&O coal moved south from Elkhorn City via Cliinchfield trains.

George A Walls


Where did these 40 ton gons deliver coal to? If up to Lake Erie,
ehich docks?

Al Kresse

-------------- Original message --------------
From: "John Golden" <golden1014@...>
Gentlemen,

I'm beginning construction on a Sunshine HO scale Clinchfield 40'
high-
side gondola with round ends. The instructions are pretty weak, and
I'm
in need of a prototype photo or two to make sure I get things
right. If
anyone has any prototype photos you could send me (or post to the
group
site) I would greatly appreciate it. I'd like to have it completely
built up by tomorrow night. Thanks very much for whatever help you
can
provide.

Yours Very Truly,
John

John Golden
Bloomington, IN




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Re: Clinchfield 40' Gondola

water.kresse@...
 

Where did these 40 ton gons deliver coal to? If up to Lake Erie, ehich docks?

Al Kresse

-------------- Original message --------------
From: "John Golden" <golden1014@yahoo.com>
Gentlemen,

I'm beginning construction on a Sunshine HO scale Clinchfield 40' high-
side gondola with round ends. The instructions are pretty weak, and I'm
in need of a prototype photo or two to make sure I get things right. If
anyone has any prototype photos you could send me (or post to the group
site) I would greatly appreciate it. I'd like to have it completely
built up by tomorrow night. Thanks very much for whatever help you can
provide.

Yours Very Truly,
John

John Golden
Bloomington, IN


Re: Mather boxcar plans

Jeff English
 

Bud,

No plans in that issue; just a two-page article with seven photos.

Jeff English
Troy, New York

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Bud Rindfleisch <BlackDiamondRR@...>
wrote:

Hi group,
I am looking for scale plans for the 40' Mather patent boxcar. A
model magazine index search showed that the Mainline Modeler for
November 1986 has an article on them by John Nehrich. I read on this
list a few times of the sometimes inaccurate plans in MM. Can anyone
here with access to that issue confirm the presence of drawings
and/or
the accuracy of them?
Thanks,
Bud Rindfleisch


Mather boxcar plans

Bud Rindfleisch
 

Hi group,
I am looking for scale plans for the 40' Mather patent boxcar. A model magazine index search showed that the Mainline Modeler for November 1986 has an article on them by John Nehrich. I read on this list a few times of the sometimes inaccurate plans in MM. Can anyone here with access to that issue confirm the presence of drawings and/or the accuracy of them?
Thanks,
Bud Rindfleisch


Re: Milw Rib Side box

Brian J Carlson <brian@...>
 

Chuck per the photos on pages 10 and 11 of RP Cyc 13 the grab on the end
sill is straight. Note the ladder extends to the bottom of the end so there
is no grab below the ladder. I recommend RP Cyc 13 for more information, and
clear photos.
Brian J Carlson P.E.
Cheektowaga NY

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Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 2:50 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Milw Rib Side box


List,
I'm trying to replace cast details on a Rib Side Car Company
Milwaukee
Road 40 foot double door, short ribside, boxcar. I have used DA bracket
grabs
but am unsure of what type, drop or straight, grabs were on the end
sills.
Any info is appreciated.
Thanks,

Chuck Hladik
Rutland Railroad
Virginia Division
NMRA L5756




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Re: ACF type 7 "high walkway" tank cars - AB brakes

john riddell <jriddell@...>
 

There is a photo of one of these in Morning Sun book, Canadian Railways Color Guide vol 1.
Page 114 at bottom shows a 1958 color view of CNOX 9050 which appears to still have a K brake system. Capy was 6,687 Imp gallons.
CNOX was Canadian Oil Companies Ltd. which marketed the White Rose brand of gasoline.

The British American Oil Company Ltd. (B/A) had at least one of these (BAOX 671) on Vancouver Island in 1953. It was painted green and carried the large B/A red and green roundel. It retained its K brake system in 1953. Capy was 8,423 Imp gallons.

John Riddell


Re: R Y Models Virginian Battleship Gondolas

vgnry <vgnry212@...>
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, water.kresse@... wrote:

Rich,

Do you have any idea where/when the very catchy "current modeler's
term" battleship gons came about? Did the Virginian or N&W actually
use that description in any advertisements, annual reports, Railway
Ages, etc. I've found references to "High Capacity Gondolas" for cars
in the 85-ton to 120-ton capacity ranges from the teens and twenties,
but can't find the term "Battleship Gons". Using "high capacity gons"
in a title won't catch many readers eyes.
<snip>

Retired VGN men say that insofar as the VGN was concerned, that term
was never used; that it was coined by N&W employees after the N&W
acquisition in 1959. I have had occasions to review both VGN and N&W
Annual Reports, car diagrams, brochures, and ad slicks, and also
copies of all articles on these cars that appeared in Railway Age and
Railway Mechanical Engineer magazines. I have never seen it used in
any of those publications, official or otherwise.

On the other hand, it does seem to fit!

Bill McClure
Richmond


Re: ACF type 7 "high walkway" tank cars - AB brakes

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Jul 31, 2008, at 11:57 AM, Steve Lucas wrote:

The car that I have is an HO brass model matching the photos (from
the Rich Yoder site) of the Type 7. I believe it to have been
imported by NWSL in the mid-70's. It has a basic AB brake set, maybe
Cal-Scale?





Steve, the model you have was based on a second (or third or fourth)
hand logging RR water car which still existed at that time. NWSL
modeled a lot of logging RR stuff but didn't know (and perhaps didn't
care) that the car was an AC&F Type 7, or even that it was car of a
standard design that was widely used in revenue service.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: ACF type 7 "high walkway" tank cars - AB brakes

Rob M.
 

Thanks Bruce,

I am still hoping that someone might have a decent shot of a GATX or
other 10k (or 8k) car in revenue service with AB brakes. I model
through the mid 50's so the days of the K brakes would be dwindling.

Rich Yoder site does have a shot of an 8k POCX car with AB brakes and
what appears to be an 8/54 stencil date on a recently painted car. It
shows the reservoir and brackets reasonably clearly; if others were
converted it would be nice to see how the brake cylinder was mounted
to it's mount as well as the pipe bracket to it's mounting.

Rob Mondichak
Allentown PA

Sorry group, re-sent since my sig was deleted; don't want to offend
the mods.

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Smith <smithbf@> wrote:

Steve,

By "one of these", do you mean a type 7 with AB brakes? Who
made
that model? Or a is your model the W&R brass model with K
brakes?
If
it is the later, then the answer is a unequivocal no as K brakes
were
finally banned as of January 1, 1954 on all cars in
interchange.
IIRC, some of these cars lasted a bit past that date in MOW
service
on railroads, but not in general service.

And to belatedly address Rob's question, the reason you can't
find
photos is that few if any cars were converted. Most of the type
7s
were gone by WWII, and the rest departed general service shortly
thereafter. There would have been little or no financial
incentive
to convert these cars as they would have been 40+ years old by
the
conversion deadline. Why do you want to model these cars with
AB
brakes?

Regards
Bruce

Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL

On Jul 31, 2008, at 6:23 AM, Steve Lucas wrote:

I picked up one of these in HO a while back. Were any of these
cars
around in 1956, say, with any of the major firms--North
American,
GATX, or UTLX?

Steve Lucas.

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Rob M." <rule292@> wrote:

Hello List,

I've been digging so far with no avail to find any photographic
evidence of ACF type 7 "high walkway" tank cars in commercial
service with converted AB brakes. I've checked my magazines,
I've
googled online and I looked at Bob's Photos at the National;
all
to
no avail.
<SNIP>
I was hoping to do 8k and 10k cars with AB brake conversions
but
I
need some in-service photos that I can match up to my ORER's.


Re: ACF type 7 "high walkway" tank cars - AB brakes

Rob M.
 

Thanks Bruce,

I am still hoping that someone might have a decent shot of a GATX or
other 10k (or 8k) car in revenue service with AB brakes. I model
through the mid 50's so the days of the K brakes would be dwindling.

Rich Yoder site does have a shot of an 8k POCX car with AB brakes and
what appears to be an 8/54 stencil date on a recently painted car. It
shows the reservoir and brackets reasonably clearly; if others were
converted it would be nice to see how the brake cylinder was mounted
to it's mount as well as the pipe bracket to it's mounting.

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:

Steve,

By "one of these", do you mean a type 7 with AB brakes? Who made
that model? Or a is your model the W&R brass model with K brakes?
If
it is the later, then the answer is a unequivocal no as K brakes
were
finally banned as of January 1, 1954 on all cars in interchange.
IIRC, some of these cars lasted a bit past that date in MOW
service
on railroads, but not in general service.

And to belatedly address Rob's question, the reason you can't find
photos is that few if any cars were converted. Most of the type
7s
were gone by WWII, and the rest departed general service shortly
thereafter. There would have been little or no financial
incentive
to convert these cars as they would have been 40+ years old by the
conversion deadline. Why do you want to model these cars with AB
brakes?

Regards
Bruce

Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL

On Jul 31, 2008, at 6:23 AM, Steve Lucas wrote:

I picked up one of these in HO a while back. Were any of these
cars
around in 1956, say, with any of the major firms--North American,
GATX, or UTLX?

Steve Lucas.

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Rob M." <rule292@> wrote:

Hello List,

I've been digging so far with no avail to find any photographic
evidence of ACF type 7 "high walkway" tank cars in commercial
service with converted AB brakes. I've checked my magazines, I've
googled online and I looked at Bob's Photos at the National; all
to
no avail.
<SNIP>
I was hoping to do 8k and 10k cars with AB brake conversions but
I
need some in-service photos that I can match up to my ORER's.


Re: "Ajax" railroads

water.kresse@...
 

The Poor Marquette would tend to stick with a certain vendor.

The C&O purchasing folks seemed to play vendors against each other . . . so they had at least a couple of sources.

What time frame are you talking about if one was crazy enough to open a diag sht book and start plotting hand brakes by series bld dates?

Maybe, when one gets spare time.

Al Kresse

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From: "Garth G. Groff" <ggg9y@virginia.edu>
Gene,

Would Erie be a candidate for your list of "Ajax roads"? As you probably
know it was a Van Sweringen-owned road, along with the C&O, PM and NKP.
Like the Harriman and Gould lines, common designs were specified for all
Van Sweringen lines.

Kind regards,

Garth G. Groff

Gene Green wrote:
Thanks to all who responded.

It looks like PRR and SP should be removed from the list of
potential "Ajax roads."

Santa Fe, B&O, C&O, PM, & NKP will remain on the list of "the usual
suspects" awaiting more and/or better information.

Can anyone comment on the UP?

Gene Green




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Re: R Y Models Virginian Battleship Gondolas

Tim O'Connor
 

Tony, I knew Richard was old, but I had no idea he was that old!

I think coal for the Great White Fleet was transported in battleship
gondolas...

Tim O'

-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Anthony Thompson <thompson@signaturepress.com>

Recall that this was during the "battleship race" of the Great Powers,
so battleships were in the public eye. Richard Hendrickson may know
more about this.


Re: Milw Rib Side box

Charles Hladik
 

Brian,
Thank you for the info. Only own 1 RP Cyc (#9), soooooo


Chuck Hladik
Rutland Railroad
Virginia Division
NMRA L5756



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Re: Modeling aluminum sheathing on boxcars

water.kresse@...
 

C&O aluminum box and hopper cars of the post-WW2 era were left oxidized. However, the black stenciling got a clear coat of varnish.

Al Kresse

-------------- Original message --------------
From: "rockroll50401" <cepropst@netconx.net>
Paint them with (I believe) Model master metalic paints. The kind you
buff to make shinning. They make several kinds of metals and they work
great.
Clark Propst


Re: R Y Models Virginian Battleship Gondolas

water.kresse@...
 

Tony,

Now that I think about it, I remember local a newspaper (Hinton?) referencing the C&O's first steel HBGs in 1901 or so as "battlestip coal cars" that had to be segregated to avoid "destroying" wooden coal cars.

Al Kresse

-------------- Original message --------------
From: Anthony Thompson <thompson@signaturepress.com>
Al Kresse wrote:
Do you have any idea where/when the very catchy "current modeler's
term" battleship gons came about?
This was popular terminology for "big, strong things" in the early
part of the 20th century, especially things with lots of rivets. SP had
a class of side-dump all-steel gondolas which were called "battleship"
cars in contemporary accounts, circa 1905. Fiction of that same period
shows usage of the term for various things. Recall that this was during
the "battleship race" of the Great Powers, so battleships were in the
public eye. Richard Hendrickson may know more about this.
I have no specific knowledge of the VGN term's origin.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: R Y Models Virginian Battleship Gondolas

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Al Kresse wrote:
Do you have any idea where/when the very catchy "current modeler's term" battleship gons came about?
This was popular terminology for "big, strong things" in the early part of the 20th century, especially things with lots of rivets. SP had a class of side-dump all-steel gondolas which were called "battleship" cars in contemporary accounts, circa 1905. Fiction of that same period shows usage of the term for various things. Recall that this was during the "battleship race" of the Great Powers, so battleships were in the public eye. Richard Hendrickson may know more about this.
I have no specific knowledge of the VGN term's origin.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Any recommendations for Minneapolis & St. Louis boxcar green?

rockroll50401 <cepropst@...>
 

I use Floquil Warehouser(wrong spelling) Green with maybe a drop or
two of dark blue added.

Clark Propst


Re: R Y Models Virginian Battleship Gondolas

water.kresse@...
 

Rich,

Do you have any idea where/when the very catchy "current modeler's term" battleship gons came about? Did the Virginian or N&W actually use that description in any advertisements, annual reports, Railway Ages, etc. I've found references to "High Capacity Gondolas" for cars in the 85-ton to 120-ton capacity ranges from the teens and twenties, but can't find the term "Battleship Gons". Using "high capacity gons" in a title won't catch many readers eyes.

Al Kresse
Researching the C&O "class 100 ton/91-ton capacity gons"

-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Gary Patrik" <gary.patrik@gmail.com>
Rich,

That "fat" (only 33' long) 10k gal. high walkway Texaco tank looks great in
the train next to my Red Caboose 10k gal. SHPX 36' tank. Gotta put an
Intermountain 8k gal. tank to it for even greater contrast.

I sure am glad you could visit - I love to show off my Fort Wayne Division
to friends. Started gandy dancing again, got 6' of a siding in - code 125
ME track, ROW fishplate-joiners soldered between the code 125 and code 148
to keep the rail-top level and solid.

Breathlessly (and secretly) awaiting 2D-F8 trucks, at least 30 pair.

On Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 10:33 PM, Richard Yoder <oscale48@comcast.net>wrote:

Hi All.
I just received the last of the "O" Scale Virginian Battleship
Gondolas from my builder. $340. while they last. Heck, only $200. less
the asking price than the ones on Ebay!

Rich Yoder
7 Edgedale Court
Wyomissing PA 19610-1913
EST 6:30PM 10:00 PM
www.richyodermodels.com


--
Best regards,
Gary Patrik, Supt., Fort Wayne Division, Pennsylvania Railroad (July 1945,
O-scale)


Re: Any recommendations for Minneapolis & St. Louis boxcar green?

Tim O'Connor
 

Charlie

I would say C&NW green w/ a wee bit of yellow added. Or start w/
Pullman Green and add C&NW green to it... But then, I don't model
brand new cars for the most part.

Tim O'Connor

-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Charlie Duckworth" <trduck@cox.net>
I have a 1937 boxcar ready to paint plus Greg Komar's excellent dry
transfers, what your guys recommendations for a M&StL green for the
boxcar?

Thanks - Charlie


Re: Dow Chemical Tanks

water.kresse@...
 

Greg,

Some time ago there was as DOW Archivist and an archives up in Midland. I've since lost his name (shame on me because there is no longer a separate Automotive Sales group here in Southfield, Michigan, and I'm retired from GM so they have no benefits for helping me anymore).

I'd like to see pix of the PM switchers work in their yard also.

Al Kresse
Romeo, Michigan

-------------- Original message --------------
From: "gregudolph" <gregudolph@gmail.com>
Hello,
I was thinking about modeling a Dow Chemical 8000 gal or 10,000
tank. I have a picture of a DOWX tank from about 1938 and I think it
would be a great model if I could figure out what it actually looked
like. I believe the ends and sides are white except the middle which
is black. The big DOW Logo is on the right while the left says Dow
Chemical Company DOWX 10305.
Does anyone have any information about these tanks? Proper color
schemes, white/aluminum paint, etc.. Also does anyone have or know
where I can get some kind of lettering diagram so I know what color
the logo and letter is. Any help will do. Thanks for your time.

Keep Steaming,
Greg Udolph
Owosso, MI

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