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Re: Berwind Coal

armprem
 

Berwind cars frequently showed up on the Rutland in Alburgh ,Vt in unusually large numbers.They were interchanged with the Central Vermont and returned as empties usually within a week.I am still trying to find out where they went after the CV .A.Premo

----- Original Message -----
From: "Justin Kahn" <harumd@hotmail.com>
To: <stmfc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 10:42 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Berwind Coal



Having bought a finished brass hopper from another modeler (and hoping not to have to strip a good paint job), I realized I knew very little about the Berwind operation. Was production sold to retail outlets (i.e., local coal dealers) or did it all go to industrial consumers? In other words, would a Berwind hopper show up in a way-freight or on a shortline?

Jace Kahn, General Manager
Ceres and Canisteo RR Co.


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Side Grabs--MILW Rib Side Box Cars

charmantas
 

I posted on this subject in messages 36723 and 41497. There are also
photos in the STMFPH group (Steam Era Freight Cars Group Photos)
labeled "Side-Grabs I" and "Side-Grabs II". These links below might work:

http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/8CSTSITaxxbW2bzHbf0gSGjd296ovvfQdO0gNWUsqiDY5hFTk4bK1ELx60oVp-OmdyGThgwLb2ZcfFOVYGiW1pmIr9JuX4dgQQ/Side-Grabs-I.jpg

http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/8CSTSCx14vPW2bzH9UHWU_V_czKKB85qZYtV-MSDUT0FBcEMmHB84RErr0MvKxIYnwV2DHOfAZvxPzX74RQ5B7Mwi7q3Gvr0lw/Side-Grabs-II.jpg

It looks like to me that a piece of "Zee-Bar" stock, tapered, is used
for the bracket, with a straight rod used for the grab.

Charles Harmantas


Re: Mather boxcar plans

drgwrail
 

Really can't recall doing the plans mentioned....but I probably did.

It had to have been done from drawings or data supplied by Martin.

Chuck Yungkurth
Boulder CO



--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "al_brown03" <abrown@...> wrote:

There's a Martin Lofton article on Mather boxcars in RMC 2/91 pp85-
89,
with drawings by Chuck Yungkurth of an AC&Y 3000-series car: one of
the
taller ones.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.


--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Bud Rindfleisch <BlackDiamondRR@>
wrote:

Hi group,
I am looking for scale plans for the 40' Mather patent
boxcar. A
model magazine index search showed that the Mainline Modeler for
November 1986 has an article on them by John Nehrich. I read on
this
list a few times of the sometimes inaccurate plans in MM. Can
anyone
here with access to that issue confirm the presence of drawings
and/or
the accuracy of them?
Thanks,
Bud Rindfleisch


Re: Any recommendations for Minneapolis & St. Louis boxcar green?

rockroll50401 <cepropst@...>
 

Charlie, What type of box car are you using?
Clark Propst


Re: Clinchfield 40' Gondola

ATSF1226
 

No doubt, Al. You could probably find Clinchfield hoppers in any of
the major coal road yards and trains. The CRR functioned as a major
bridge route for several different roads as well as having it's own
on-line coal facilities.

George A Walls



I believe I saw a tracks-worth cut of Clinchfield hops in a mid-50s
C&O PR pix of the Kenova Ohio River barge loading facility yard next
to the Traux-? dumper (naturally along with mostly C&O hops).

Al Kresse

-------------- Original message --------------
From: "George A. Walls" <atsf1226@...>
Al,
The Clinchfield sent most of it's Coal south to Spartanburg,SC
where
it interchanged with the SAL and Southern RR's. It also
interchanged
Coal loads with N&W at St. Paul, VA, C&O at Elkhorn City, KY,
Southern at two other points. Johnson City, Tn and Marion, NC. A
lot
of C&O coal moved south from Elkhorn City via Cliinchfield trains.

George A Walls

Where did these 40 ton gons deliver coal to? If up to Lake Erie,
ehich docks?

Al Kresse

-------------- Original message --------------
From: "John Golden" <golden1014@>
Gentlemen,

I'm beginning construction on a Sunshine HO scale Clinchfield 40'
high-
side gondola with round ends. The instructions are pretty weak,
and
I'm
in need of a prototype photo or two to make sure I get things
right. If
anyone has any prototype photos you could send me (or post to the
group
site) I would greatly appreciate it. I'd like to have it
completely
built up by tomorrow night. Thanks very much for whatever help
you
can
provide.

Yours Very Truly,
John

John Golden
Bloomington, IN




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Re: Any recommendations for Minneapolis & St. Louis boxcar green?

Gene Green <bierglaeser@...>
 

One must be careful when trying to replicate the M&StL's green. The
original(fresh, clean, unweathered) was green towards the blue end of
the spectrum. Weathered it was anything but green with a hint of blue.

The CNWHS's custom run of 37 AAR box cars was right for a freshly
painted car.

Gene Green

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, timboconnor@... wrote:

Charlie

I would say C&NW green w/ a wee bit of yellow added. Or start w/
Pullman Green and add C&NW green to it... But then, I don't model
brand new cars for the most part.

Tim O'Connor

-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Charlie Duckworth" <trduck@...>
I have a 1937 boxcar ready to paint plus Greg Komar's excellent dry
transfers, what your guys recommendations for a M&StL green for the
boxcar?

Thanks - Charlie


Berwind Coal

Justin Kahn
 

Having bought a finished brass hopper from another modeler (and hoping not to have to strip a good paint job), I realized I knew very little about the Berwind operation. Was production sold to retail outlets (i.e., local coal dealers) or did it all go to industrial consumers? In other words, would a Berwind hopper show up in a way-freight or on a shortline?

Jace Kahn, General Manager
Ceres and Canisteo RR Co.


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Re: Mather boxcar plans

Larry Grubb <larry450sl@...>
 

Guys,
When we were doing this car for Proto, the drawing below was the best available. As Al alludes to below, there was no standard plan, heights and other details varied.
Larry Grubb

al_brown03 <abrown@fit.edu> wrote:
There's a Martin Lofton article on Mather boxcars in RMC 2/91 pp85-89,
with drawings by Chuck Yungkurth of an AC&Y 3000-series car: one of the
taller ones.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Bud Rindfleisch <BlackDiamondRR@...>
wrote:

Hi group,
I am looking for scale plans for the 40' Mather patent boxcar. A
model magazine index search showed that the Mainline Modeler for
November 1986 has an article on them by John Nehrich. I read on this
list a few times of the sometimes inaccurate plans in MM. Can anyone
here with access to that issue confirm the presence of drawings
and/or
the accuracy of them?
Thanks,
Bud Rindfleisch


Re: Clinchfield 40' Gondola

water.kresse@...
 

Georege,

I believe I saw a tracks-worth cut of Clinchfield hops in a mid-50s C&O PR pix of the Kenova Ohio River barge loading facility yard next to the Traux-? dumper (naturally along with mostly C&O hops).

Al Kresse

-------------- Original message --------------
From: "George A. Walls" <atsf1226@yahoo.com>
Al,
The Clinchfield sent most of it's Coal south to Spartanburg,SC where
it interchanged with the SAL and Southern RR's. It also interchanged
Coal loads with N&W at St. Paul, VA, C&O at Elkhorn City, KY,
Southern at two other points. Johnson City, Tn and Marion, NC. A lot
of C&O coal moved south from Elkhorn City via Cliinchfield trains.

George A Walls

Where did these 40 ton gons deliver coal to? If up to Lake Erie,
ehich docks?

Al Kresse

-------------- Original message --------------
From: "John Golden" <golden1014@...>
Gentlemen,

I'm beginning construction on a Sunshine HO scale Clinchfield 40'
high-
side gondola with round ends. The instructions are pretty weak, and
I'm
in need of a prototype photo or two to make sure I get things
right. If
anyone has any prototype photos you could send me (or post to the
group
site) I would greatly appreciate it. I'd like to have it completely
built up by tomorrow night. Thanks very much for whatever help you
can
provide.

Yours Very Truly,
John

John Golden
Bloomington, IN






Re: PFE R30-16 and type 7/11 tanks

Bruce Smith
 

On Jul 31, 2008, at 10:16 PM, underthefog wrote:

At the Western Railway Museum, (Rio Vista Junction) we have a PFE R-
30-16 reefer 74583. Tony is aware. (See page 140 of your "orange
bible")

Our records show it as rebuilt in 1941 from R-30-12 20420, and having
a Bettendorf underframe.
Karl,

Thanks! Alas, this car is from the group that was rebuilt with AB brakes, so that number won't work for the current model....

It has suffered some from years of outdoor storage. The lettering is
just about gone, along with the rest of the paint. It is now stored
indoors, which augurs well for its continued survival, but
photography of the underside is all but impossible.

If I can find time this weekend I will visit it with a strong
flashlight and report what I find.

We also have "High Walkway" tank car, Western Pacific 1025, ACF,
1912. I'm not clear on what constitutes a "type 7", but this car had
arch bar trucks, converted to Andrews in 1937. K-1 brakes were
converted to AB in 1947. It served in several company services, the
last of which "bilge water service".
Sounds like it might be an early type 11 car. IIRC, the WP had some of the earliest type 11s, and these were built with high walkways rather than the low running boards that became the standard for this class.

Regards
Bruce

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Re: Milw Rib Side box

Staffan Ehnbom <staffan.ehnbom@...>
 

Oops! Rivetted to the car side rather than welded!

Staffan Ehnbom

----- Original Message -----
From: Staffan Ehnbom
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 1:44 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Milw Rib Side box


I'm not knowledgeable about the MILW but I noticed the rib side cars have special side grabs consisting of straight grabs rivetted to angular zees welded to the car side. Rib Side Cars have addressed this in their more recent kits.

Staffan Ehnbom

----- Original Message -----
From: RUTLANDRS@aol.com
To: STMFC@Yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 8:50 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Milw Rib Side box

List,
I'm trying to replace cast details on a Rib Side Car Company Milwaukee
Road 40 foot double door, short ribside, boxcar. I have used DA bracket grabs
but am unsure of what type, drop or straight, grabs were on the end sills.
Any info is appreciated.
Thanks,

Chuck Hladik
Rutland Railroad
Virginia Division
NMRA L5756

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Re: Mather boxcar plans

al_brown03
 

There's a Martin Lofton article on Mather boxcars in RMC 2/91 pp85-89,
with drawings by Chuck Yungkurth of an AC&Y 3000-series car: one of the
taller ones.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.


--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Bud Rindfleisch <BlackDiamondRR@...>
wrote:

Hi group,
I am looking for scale plans for the 40' Mather patent boxcar. A
model magazine index search showed that the Mainline Modeler for
November 1986 has an article on them by John Nehrich. I read on this
list a few times of the sometimes inaccurate plans in MM. Can anyone
here with access to that issue confirm the presence of drawings
and/or
the accuracy of them?
Thanks,
Bud Rindfleisch


Re: Milw Rib Side box

Staffan Ehnbom <staffan.ehnbom@...>
 

I'm not knowledgeable about the MILW but I noticed the rib side cars have special side grabs consisting of straight grabs rivetted to angular zees welded to the car side. Rib Side Cars have addressed this in their more recent kits.

Staffan Ehnbom

----- Original Message -----
From: RUTLANDRS@aol.com
To: STMFC@Yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 8:50 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Milw Rib Side box


List,
I'm trying to replace cast details on a Rib Side Car Company Milwaukee
Road 40 foot double door, short ribside, boxcar. I have used DA bracket grabs
but am unsure of what type, drop or straight, grabs were on the end sills.
Any info is appreciated.
Thanks,

Chuck Hladik
Rutland Railroad
Virginia Division
NMRA L5756

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PFE R30-16

underthefog <kpeery@...>
 

At the Western Railway Museum, (Rio Vista Junction) we have a PFE R-
30-16 reefer 74583. Tony is aware. (See page 140 of your "orange
bible")

Our records show it as rebuilt in 1941 from R-30-12 20420, and having
a Bettendorf underframe.

It has suffered some from years of outdoor storage. The lettering is
just about gone, along with the rest of the paint. It is now stored
indoors, which augurs well for its continued survival, but
photography of the underside is all but impossible.

If I can find time this weekend I will visit it with a strong
flashlight and report what I find.

We also have "High Walkway" tank car, Western Pacific 1025, ACF,
1912. I'm not clear on what constitutes a "type 7", but this car had
arch bar trucks, converted to Andrews in 1937. K-1 brakes were
converted to AB in 1947. It served in several company services, the
last of which "bilge water service".

Karl Peery,

In foggy Daly City, just south of San Francisco.


Re: Clinchfield 40' Gondola

ATSF1226
 

Al,
The Clinchfield sent most of it's Coal south to Spartanburg,SC where
it interchanged with the SAL and Southern RR's. It also interchanged
Coal loads with N&W at St. Paul, VA, C&O at Elkhorn City, KY,
Southern at two other points. Johnson City, Tn and Marion, NC. A lot
of C&O coal moved south from Elkhorn City via Cliinchfield trains.

George A Walls


Where did these 40 ton gons deliver coal to? If up to Lake Erie,
ehich docks?

Al Kresse

-------------- Original message --------------
From: "John Golden" <golden1014@...>
Gentlemen,

I'm beginning construction on a Sunshine HO scale Clinchfield 40'
high-
side gondola with round ends. The instructions are pretty weak, and
I'm
in need of a prototype photo or two to make sure I get things
right. If
anyone has any prototype photos you could send me (or post to the
group
site) I would greatly appreciate it. I'd like to have it completely
built up by tomorrow night. Thanks very much for whatever help you
can
provide.

Yours Very Truly,
John

John Golden
Bloomington, IN




[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


Re: Clinchfield 40' Gondola

water.kresse@...
 

Where did these 40 ton gons deliver coal to? If up to Lake Erie, ehich docks?

Al Kresse

-------------- Original message --------------
From: "John Golden" <golden1014@yahoo.com>
Gentlemen,

I'm beginning construction on a Sunshine HO scale Clinchfield 40' high-
side gondola with round ends. The instructions are pretty weak, and I'm
in need of a prototype photo or two to make sure I get things right. If
anyone has any prototype photos you could send me (or post to the group
site) I would greatly appreciate it. I'd like to have it completely
built up by tomorrow night. Thanks very much for whatever help you can
provide.

Yours Very Truly,
John

John Golden
Bloomington, IN


Re: Mather boxcar plans

Jeff English
 

Bud,

No plans in that issue; just a two-page article with seven photos.

Jeff English
Troy, New York

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Bud Rindfleisch <BlackDiamondRR@...>
wrote:

Hi group,
I am looking for scale plans for the 40' Mather patent boxcar. A
model magazine index search showed that the Mainline Modeler for
November 1986 has an article on them by John Nehrich. I read on this
list a few times of the sometimes inaccurate plans in MM. Can anyone
here with access to that issue confirm the presence of drawings
and/or
the accuracy of them?
Thanks,
Bud Rindfleisch


Mather boxcar plans

Bud Rindfleisch
 

Hi group,
I am looking for scale plans for the 40' Mather patent boxcar. A model magazine index search showed that the Mainline Modeler for November 1986 has an article on them by John Nehrich. I read on this list a few times of the sometimes inaccurate plans in MM. Can anyone here with access to that issue confirm the presence of drawings and/or the accuracy of them?
Thanks,
Bud Rindfleisch


Re: Milw Rib Side box

Brian J Carlson <brian@...>
 

Chuck per the photos on pages 10 and 11 of RP Cyc 13 the grab on the end
sill is straight. Note the ladder extends to the bottom of the end so there
is no grab below the ladder. I recommend RP Cyc 13 for more information, and
clear photos.
Brian J Carlson P.E.
Cheektowaga NY

----- Original Message -----
From: <RUTLANDRS@aol.com>
To: <STMFC@Yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 2:50 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Milw Rib Side box


List,
I'm trying to replace cast details on a Rib Side Car Company
Milwaukee
Road 40 foot double door, short ribside, boxcar. I have used DA bracket
grabs
but am unsure of what type, drop or straight, grabs were on the end
sills.
Any info is appreciated.
Thanks,

Chuck Hladik
Rutland Railroad
Virginia Division
NMRA L5756




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Re: ACF type 7 "high walkway" tank cars - AB brakes

john riddell <jriddell@...>
 

There is a photo of one of these in Morning Sun book, Canadian Railways Color Guide vol 1.
Page 114 at bottom shows a 1958 color view of CNOX 9050 which appears to still have a K brake system. Capy was 6,687 Imp gallons.
CNOX was Canadian Oil Companies Ltd. which marketed the White Rose brand of gasoline.

The British American Oil Company Ltd. (B/A) had at least one of these (BAOX 671) on Vancouver Island in 1953. It was painted green and carried the large B/A red and green roundel. It retained its K brake system in 1953. Capy was 8,423 Imp gallons.

John Riddell

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