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Re: ATSF BX-3 Brake Wheel Replacement?

Jason Sanford <parkcitybranch@...>
 

Thank you Richard.  This is exactly what I needed. 
 
Jason Sanford

--- On Sat, 8/2/08, Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@...> wrote:

From: Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@...>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] ATSF BX-3 Brake Wheel Replacement?
To: STMFC@...
Date: Saturday, August 2, 2008, 5:20 PM

On Aug 2, 2008, at 2:08 PM, parkcitybranch wrote:

I am looking to replace the brake wheel on my Pecos ATSF BX-3, it is
horribly oversized. Does anyon know what kind of brakewheel the BX-3
had? If you happen to know who makes one in brass in HO, that would
help to. Thanks.





Jason, they were five spoke wheels with curved spokes; I'm sending
you a builder's end view off-list which shows this. Precision Scale
#31119 is just what you need.

Richard and Sandra Hendrickson



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SHPX Tank Car Lettering

umtrr <gji@...>
 

Micro-Trains has just reprinted its N Scale single dome tank car
lettered for Shippers Car Line (SHPX 7675) as part of its August 2008
releases.

It is painted black with white lettering including on the left from top
to bottom: small company name, white stripe, reporting marks with
periods, white stripe. This is a paint scheme found on several
different tank car types in numerous photos in Rail Model Journal
articles, and has also been used by different manufacturers in
different scales.

Speculating that it was within the time period covered here, about when
did Shippers switch to reporting marks only on tank cars, replacing the
scheme described above? I'm recognizing that repainting might not have
occurred until some time later, if at all.

Thanks in advance for any guidance on this.

Cheers,
George Irwin


More on PFE R-30-16 rebuilds

Bruce Smith
 

--- In STMFC@..., Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@...> wrote:

Bruce, I have no suitable photos of an R-30-12-16 with Bettendorf
underframe. However, I'm sending you off-list a 4/48 photo of an
R-30-13-16 with twin-center-sill underframe which still had KC air
brakes. To model this car, you will have to rework the underframe by
using a Tichy u/f instead of the R/C u/f.
So I have to ask <G> - if the Tichy car is an R-40-2/4 and we're talking R-30-12-16, what
is the difference between the 30 and 40 ton cars with built-up u/f? I can that the R-40-2/4
series appears to have different trucks from the R-30-12/13 series T-section trucks. Is it
just the trucks?

Regards
Bruce

Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


New Craftsman Structure Kit Available

smason22000 <smason2@...>
 

Hi folks,

I'm pleased to announce the release of my first HO scale, craftsman structure kit, "The
Branchline/Backwoods Roundhouse.

The kit includes a medium-sized, three-stall wood roundhouse, based on typical wood
roundhouse architecture seen throughout the United States and Canada. The roundhouse
is designed to hold locomotives up to 75 scale feet in length, and is compact enough to fit
on a shelf layout.

The roundhouse has a cast Hydrocal floor with one inspection pit. It also features specially
milled, doubled sided basswood siding, and a complete stud wall and post and beam
interior.

The attached machine shop includes a lathe, drill press, coal stove, desk, and a large work
table with a bench grinder.

Others buildings include a brick boiler house, a storage warehouse, and a coal bunker.
The kit also includes a one-piece Hydrocal ash pit. All Hyrdocal masters were made by
New England Brownstone. There is also a plan included to build a coal trestle.

Accompanying the extensive instruction book, is the DVD, "Building the
Branchline/Backwoods Roundhouse".

Photos and ordering information are available on my website. This is a limited edition kit.
Only 300 will be made. Kits will be ready to ship on October 15th. The price is $310.00
plus $15.00 shipping in the United States. Please contact me for international shipping
rates.

Thanks,

Scott
www.scottymason.com


Re: Lake Terminal 3000 series hopper cars - question

Ed Hawkins
 

On Aug 2, 2008, at 6:20 PM, jim_mischke wrote:

Question to the group: Does anyone know anything about these Lake
Terminal 3000 series hopper cars? Builder??
Jim,
Lake Terminal 3000-3149 was built by Magor Car Corp. in 1951.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


Lake Terminal 3000 series hopper cars - question

jim_mischke <jmischke@...>
 

B&O picked up some older Lake Terminal 3000 series hoppers in the early
1960's. LT is a Lorain, Ohio switching road.

I have only ever seen two photos. One as a Lake Terminal hopper in the
extensive Lake Terminal section of a book on area switching roads (name
escapes me at the moment). The other is a photo of B&O 23038 (ex LT
3038 renumbered by adding the front "2"), by Paul Dunn, from Richard
Burg.

How I made the research connection: Reweigh symbol on B&O 23038 is "LT
3-62", LT is not a B&O symbol. I looked through every page of the
1964 ORER for hoppers with matching cubic capacity of the B&O 23000
series. (Actually this goes fast in a speed reading sort of way.)
Lake Terminal popped out. ORER organization being what it is, 'tis
easier and quicker to find an eastern road car than a western road car.

Hopper is ribbed side, with lots and lots of ribs.

I collect freight car diagram books (many as PDF files from Allen
Stanley), a Lake Terminal book is elusive. Lake Terminal is now part
of TransStar and local filing cabinets went to the main office in
Pittsburgh. Not friendly in a Union Railroad sort of way, I'm not sure
I will ever be able to crack that source.

Question to the group: Does anyone know anything about these Lake
Terminal 3000 series hopper cars? Builder??

Once I know the builder and date, I can go the builder route to learn
about them.


Re: ATSF BX-3 Brake Wheel Replacement?

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Aug 2, 2008, at 2:08 PM, parkcitybranch wrote:

I am looking to replace the brake wheel on my Pecos ATSF BX-3, it is
horribly oversized. Does anyon know what kind of brakewheel the BX-3
had? If you happen to know who makes one in brass in HO, that would
help to. Thanks.





Jason, they were five spoke wheels with curved spokes; I'm sending
you a builder's end view off-list which shows this. Precision Scale
#31119 is just what you need.

Richard and Sandra Hendrickson


Re: B&O M-53 trucks

Ed Sommer
 

Jim,
Thanks for the info.  Good luck in your quest.
 Ed Sommer
San Jose, CA


"The Constitution only gives people the right to pursue happiness. You have to catch it yourself." B.Franklin

----- Original Message ----
From: jim_mischke <jmischke@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Saturday, August 2, 2008 3:48:49 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: B&O M-53 trucks



I have an alternate view.

We have found that B&O often specified its own proprietary sideframe
designs, and provided them to DuBois shops or even manufacturers from
the Mt. Clare foundry.

Research is ongoing.  There are many word references to B&O freight
truck designs, we of the B&O freight car mafia are trying to tie them
to particular side frame drawings and car orders.

When we get them sorted out, even just one, we can have the model
truck makers produce them for the pure of heart.

In the meantime, Ed, the Accurail "Bettendorf" is an adequate stand
in for the forseeable future for your M-53.











--- In STMFC@..., Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@...>
wrote:

On Jul 24, 2008, at 7:24 PM, Edward Sommer wrote:

I purchased two F&C models of the M-53 at the NTS, one is the 
freight version and the other is the express box version.  In
the 
directions F&C says to use the trucks of your choice.  I've
search 
the archives and found a lot of references to the M-53 but could 
not find any reference as to truck types.  Does anyone know what 
truck would be appropriate for these cars?  Does the express 
versions use the same truck of something different?  TIA for any
help.







Ed, several photos of freight M-53s show AAR cast steel trucks
with 
spring planks and Barber lateral motion bolsters.  That's a truck 
that's never been made in HO scale, but apart from the Barber
lateral 
motion devices the new Tahoe Scale Models Buckeye truck would be a 
good choice.  Maybe Brian can be induced to do a version of the 
Buckeye truck with Barber lateral motion bolsters.  Accurail's so 
called "Bettendorf" truck would also be appropriate.  I have no 
photos of the express cars so I don't know what trucks were used
on 
them, though if someone has an image that shows the express car 
trucks and could scan it for me, I'll take a shot at identifying
them.

Richard Hendrickson



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Re: B&O M-53 trucks

jim_mischke <jmischke@...>
 

I have an alternate view.

We have found that B&O often specified its own proprietary sideframe
designs, and provided them to DuBois shops or even manufacturers from
the Mt. Clare foundry.

Research is ongoing. There are many word references to B&O freight
truck designs, we of the B&O freight car mafia are trying to tie them
to particular side frame drawings and car orders.

When we get them sorted out, even just one, we can have the model
truck makers produce them for the pure of heart.

In the meantime, Ed, the Accurail "Bettendorf" is an adequate stand
in for the forseeable future for your M-53.











--- In STMFC@..., Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@...>
wrote:

On Jul 24, 2008, at 7:24 PM, Edward Sommer wrote:

I purchased two F&C models of the M-53 at the NTS, one is the
freight version and the other is the express box version. In
the
directions F&C says to use the trucks of your choice. I've
search
the archives and found a lot of references to the M-53 but could
not find any reference as to truck types. Does anyone know what
truck would be appropriate for these cars? Does the express
versions use the same truck of something different? TIA for any
help.







Ed, several photos of freight M-53s show AAR cast steel trucks
with
spring planks and Barber lateral motion bolsters. That's a truck
that's never been made in HO scale, but apart from the Barber
lateral
motion devices the new Tahoe Scale Models Buckeye truck would be a
good choice. Maybe Brian can be induced to do a version of the
Buckeye truck with Barber lateral motion bolsters. Accurail's so
called "Bettendorf" truck would also be appropriate. I have no
photos of the express cars so I don't know what trucks were used
on
them, though if someone has an image that shows the express car
trucks and could scan it for me, I'll take a shot at identifying
them.

Richard Hendrickson





Re: Whose box cars were these originally?

jim_mischke <jmischke@...>
 

When boxcars make the secondhand rounds like this, there is often
long term leases involved, not equipment trusts. When the lease is
terminated, the dealer/broker/owner goes looking for a new leasee if
the equipment is still serviceable.

So the idea that Erie sold them to NP who sold them to LSBC may not
be the case. Needs some research to find the real story.

Sometimes these financing arrangments are stencilled in the upper
corner of the boxcar, and can provide some insight.

B&O picked up a lot of older secondhand cars (within list scope),
many from brokers, others bought or leased directly from railroads
during the 1960's (outside list scope). Circumstances differ. PRR,
P&LE, Rock Island, Reading, C&O, Ann Arbor boxcars. Reading, C&O,
Virginian, Maine Central, Lehigh Valley, N&W, L&NE hoppers come to
mind. PRR G31 gondolas for wheel service.

Earlier B&O leased H3 hoppers from N&W (1944-1948), quad offset
hoppers from B&M, gondolas from B&M, hoppers from CNJ (1955-1962).

A few of these can really spice up a B&O layout.





--- In STMFC@..., Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@...>
wrote:

On Jul 27, 2008, at 7:57 PM, Tim O'Connor wrote:

What kind of end is this -- Buckeye?
http://www.first-out.com/ebay/0726035.jpg



Yes. These LS&BC cars were third hand, from the Northern Pacific
which acquired them, via a second-hand dealer, from the Erie.

Richard Hendrickson



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ATSF BX-3 Brake Wheel Replacement?

parkcitybranch <parkcitybranch@...>
 

I am looking to replace the brake wheel on my Pecos ATSF BX-3, it is
horribly oversized. Does anyon know what kind of brakewheel the BX-3
had? If you happen to know who makes one in brass in HO, that would
help to. Thanks.

Jason Sanford


Re: Wheel diameter on PSCX 1091

Rich Yoder
 

HI Al,
Did you check car builders the cyclopedia from earlier years??

Sincerely, Rich Yoder
7 Edgedale Court
Wyomissing PA 19610-1913
610-678-2834 after 6:00PM est until 10:00PM
www.richyodermodels.com

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of
al.kresse
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 5:48 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Wheel diameter on PSCX 1091

Folks,

Would anyone know the wheel size [33" or 35"] on the 4-wheel Buckeye
trucks with 6 1/2" x 12" journals for their 91-ton gon prototype
submitted for consideration by the C&O in 1921. The C&O went with 6-
wheel trucks and smaller journals.

Al Kresse


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Re: Any recommendations for Minneapolis & St. Louis boxcar green?

Tim O'Connor
 

Doug

I have that scan too; the car is stenciled 3-52

At 8/1/2008 05:37 PM Friday, you wrote:
I sent Charlie a color photo of M&StL boxcar 4844, in fresh green paint, off line. But can't help on what color to use, I model
1949 and the green paint was not used until 1953.

Doug Harding
www.iowacentralrr.org


Re: Modelling aluminum sheathing on boxcars

jim_mischke <jmischke@...>
 

Ten years service would make the boxcar aluminum finish very dull.
The aluminum foil technique would be inferior to paint, and five
times the work. This boxcar is not a well cared for airplane.

Consider researching what military modelers use for various bare
metals. These guys and their vendor base have solved many modeling
problems, yet there is little cross fertilzation between our hobby
and theirs.

There is some military dull metal finish paint that will get you an
acceptable look for your aluminum shealthed boxcar.











--- In STMFC@..., "Steve Lucas" <stevelucas3@...> wrote:

On the weekend, I picked up a couple of True line Trains' HO 40' CN
boxcars. Very nice models, but with a few very small issues that
can
be easily taken care of. One car that I purchased models a CN
aluminum-
sided boxcar, CN 521498, one of three experimental aluminum
sheathed
cars built in 1946--

http://imagescn.technomuses.ca/railways/index_view.cfm?photoid=-
1936671483&id=55

And here's the True Line Trains' model--

http://www.modeltrains.com/PICTURES/PICTURES%20-%20Non-brass-1/True%
20Line%20Trains/TLT-000001-399999/tlt-300034-1%20copy.jpg

I'm not totally satisfied with the use of aluminum paint to
simulate
aluminum sheathing on this car, and would like your comments on a
better method to model this. Perhaps aluminum foil? On the other
hand, as I am modelling a timeframe ten years after this car was
built,
would the paint on the model approximate (maybe with some
weathering)
ten-year-old aluminum sheathing?

Thanks in advance,

Steve Lucas.


Re: Whose box cars were these originally?

Tim O'Connor
 

Schuyler

Good eye, I couldn't make out the monad when I first
looked at it. VERY interesting! :-)

Tim

What kind of end is this -- Buckeye?
http://www.first-out.com/ebay/0726035.jpg

Tim O'
Yes.

That looks like an NP Monad on the side.
The ERIE (or perhaps the EL, not sure of the date) sold some cars to the NP. One (or a few) of them
is rumored to have been a car with Buckeye ends.
Where did the LSBC get them?

SGL


Re: L&N stockcars

water.kresse@...
 

Ensign Manufg / ACF Huntington built Mather type stock cars for th C&O also but before WWI.

Al Kresse

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From: "proto48er" <atkott@...>
Guys -

As usual, my freight car stuff is at home and the only computers are
at the office, so here is more of a reply to yesterday's LH&StL/L&N
stock car question:

The LH&StL stock cars featured in the CBC are LH&StL #1071-#1085 (15
cars) and were built in 4/1927 by AC&F under Lot 385 (ordered
2/14/27). From the 1/1928 and 3/1929 ORERs, these 15 cars are listed
separately under LH&StL, not L&N. By 1/1930, the LH&StL cars are
listed under L&N, but with their as-built numbers and reporting
marks, LH&StL #1071-1085. All 15 cars continue to be listed under
L&N, but with LH&StL reporting marks in this number series through
July, 1938.

Back in 1/1928, a series of L&N stock cars with identical dimensions,
L&N #19000-#19099 (100 cars), are also listed in the L&N section of
the ORER. In July of 1938, this number series was expanded to L&N
#19000-#19114, but still totalled only 100 active cars. (A bunch of
other L&N stock cars of that period have identical dimensions to the
LH&StL cars also - this was the only series showing an increase in
cars).

By 4/1939, only 6 cars remained in the LH&StL series #1071-#1085, and
the L&N cars in series #19000-#19114 had increased to 109 cars. By
4/1940, L&N #19000-#19114 had increased to 111 cars, and the LH&StL
number series was no longer listed. Who knows (or cares) whether the
missing three cars were lost by attrition from the L&N cars or from
LH&StL cars not renumbered???? Apparently, the LH&StL cars were
renumbered as L&N #19100-#19114 in 1938-39.

Back in 1928, most of the L&N stock cars with steel underframes had
IDENTICAL (even to the nearest 1/4") ORER dimensions to these LH&StL
cars. This begs the questions (a) whether the L&N had a standard
plan for their stock cars, and (b) whether the L&N had
a "relationship" with the LH&StL prior to 1930, to the extent that an
L&N plan was used by AC&F to construct the LH&StL stock cars.

This is all probably not of much interest to many, but there have
been models of the LH&StL cars available in "O" scale (KTM USA #231),
and probably in HO also. It sure would be nice to see what they
looked like in L&N paint, since this would allow their use into the
early 1950's.

A.T. Kott

--- In STMFC@..., Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@...>
wrote:

This is a Paul Dunn photo at Zanesville, OH, November, 1956, from
the
Howard Ameling collection.





Re: Side Grabs--MILW Rib Side Box Cars

Schuyler Larrabee
 

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/STMFPH/files

My system didn't like the long link, but if you go to this page (or get there via the home page for
STMPH) the two photos are about 3/4 of the way down the listing.

SGL

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From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Staffan Ehnbom
Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2008 11:26 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Side Grabs--MILW Rib Side Box Cars

Can't seem to get the links to work. Photo still there?

Staffan Ehnbom

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From: charmantas
To: STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 5:18 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Side Grabs--MILW Rib Side Box Cars

I posted on this subject in messages 36723 and 41497. There are also
photos in the STMFPH group (Steam Era Freight Cars Group Photos)
labeled "Side-Grabs I" and "Side-Grabs II". These links below might work:

http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/8CSTSITaxxbW2bzHbf0gSGjd296ovvfQdO0gNWUsqiDY5hFTk4bK1ELx60oVp-
OmdyGThgwLb2ZcfFOVYGiW1pmIr9JuX4dgQQ/Side-Grabs-I.jpg
<http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/8CSTSITaxxbW2bzHbf0gSGjd296ovvfQdO0gNWUsqiDY5hFTk4bK1ELx60oVp-
OmdyGThgwLb2ZcfFOVYGiW1pmIr9JuX4dgQQ/Side-Grabs-I.jpg>

http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/8CSTSCx14vPW2bzH9UHWU_V_czKKB85qZYtV-
MSDUT0FBcEMmHB84RErr0MvKxIYnwV2DHOfAZvxPzX74RQ5B7Mwi7q3Gvr0lw/Side-Grabs-II.jpg
<http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/8CSTSCx14vPW2bzH9UHWU_V_czKKB85qZYtV-
MSDUT0FBcEMmHB84RErr0MvKxIYnwV2DHOfAZvxPzX74RQ5B7Mwi7q3Gvr0lw/Side-Grabs-II.jpg>

It looks like to me that a piece of "Zee-Bar" stock, tapered, is used
for the bracket, with a straight rod used for the grab.

Charles Harmantas






Re: Side Grabs--MILW Rib Side Box Cars

Staffan Ehnbom <staffan.ehnbom@...>
 

Can't seem to get the links to work. Photo still there?

Staffan Ehnbom

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From: charmantas
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 5:18 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Side Grabs--MILW Rib Side Box Cars


I posted on this subject in messages 36723 and 41497. There are also
photos in the STMFPH group (Steam Era Freight Cars Group Photos)
labeled "Side-Grabs I" and "Side-Grabs II". These links below might work:

http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/8CSTSITaxxbW2bzHbf0gSGjd296ovvfQdO0gNWUsqiDY5hFTk4bK1ELx60oVp-OmdyGThgwLb2ZcfFOVYGiW1pmIr9JuX4dgQQ/Side-Grabs-I.jpg

http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/8CSTSCx14vPW2bzH9UHWU_V_czKKB85qZYtV-MSDUT0FBcEMmHB84RErr0MvKxIYnwV2DHOfAZvxPzX74RQ5B7Mwi7q3Gvr0lw/Side-Grabs-II.jpg

It looks like to me that a piece of "Zee-Bar" stock, tapered, is used
for the bracket, with a straight rod used for the grab.

Charles Harmantas


Re: Any recommendations for Minneapolis & St. Louis boxcar green?

Douglas Harding <dharding@...>
 

Clark's article in RMC included the color photo I have.

Doug Harding
www.iowacentralrr.org


Re: C&BT Rr-32 >> SHOULD BE Rr-33........

mcindoefalls
 

The early CB&T Santa Fe reefer kits had VERY crude detail sprues. I
can't vouch for them dimensionally, but the body castings themselves
were pretty nice.

Walt Lankenau

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