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Re: Modelling aluminum sheathing on boxcars

Steve Lucas <stevelucas3@...>
 

I've been thinking about this, and you have made a good point. I
would have to wonder if the aluminum sheathing would have been
somewhat dulled, and perhaps even showing the effects of galvanic
action where steel fasteners were attached to the aluminum sheathing.

I know that the GM&O had some aluminum-sheathed cars built around the
same time, 1945/46. Perhaps a few other roads as well. This seems
to have been an industry experiment post-WWII. Can anyone relate
what the cars looked like after ten years' service? You would think
that the railroads would have been monitoring the durability of this
material in freight car use.

Steve Lucas.

--- In STMFC@..., "jim_mischke" <jmischke@...> wrote:



Ten years service would make the boxcar aluminum finish very
dull.
The aluminum foil technique would be inferior to paint, and five
times the work. This boxcar is not a well cared for airplane.

Consider researching what military modelers use for various bare
metals. These guys and their vendor base have solved many
modeling
problems, yet there is little cross fertilzation between our hobby
and theirs.

There is some military dull metal finish paint that will get you an
acceptable look for your aluminum shealthed boxcar.











--- In STMFC@..., "Steve Lucas" <stevelucas3@> wrote:

On the weekend, I picked up a couple of True line Trains' HO 40'
CN
boxcars. Very nice models, but with a few very small issues that
can
be easily taken care of. One car that I purchased models a CN
aluminum-
sided boxcar, CN 521498, one of three experimental aluminum
sheathed
cars built in 1946--

http://imagescn.technomuses.ca/railways/index_view.cfm?photoid=-
1936671483&id=55

And here's the True Line Trains' model--

http://www.modeltrains.com/PICTURES/PICTURES%20-%20Non-brass-
1/True%
20Line%20Trains/TLT-000001-399999/tlt-300034-1%20copy.jpg

I'm not totally satisfied with the use of aluminum paint to
simulate
aluminum sheathing on this car, and would like your comments on a
better method to model this. Perhaps aluminum foil? On the
other
hand, as I am modelling a timeframe ten years after this car was
built,
would the paint on the model approximate (maybe with some
weathering)
ten-year-old aluminum sheathing?

Thanks in advance,

Steve Lucas.


Re: New Craftsman Structure Kit Available

smason22000 <smason2@...>
 

Hi Dick,

The stalls are spaced at a 9-degree angle. I've found this to be compatible with all
commercial turntable indexing that I'm aware of, including the new Walther's 90-foot
tables.

Scott

--- In STMFC@..., Richard Dermody <ddermody@...> wrote:

Scott,

What is the degree spacing of the stalls?

Dick

On Aug 2, 2008, at 8:34 PM, smason22000 wrote:

Hi folks,

I'm pleased to announce the release of my first HO scale, craftsman
structure kit, "The
Branchline/Backwoods Roundhouse.

The kit includes a medium-sized, three-stall wood roundhouse, based
on typical wood
roundhouse architecture seen throughout the United States and
Canada. The roundhouse
is designed to hold locomotives up to 75 scale feet in length, and
is compact enough to fit
on a shelf layout.

The roundhouse has a cast Hydrocal floor with one inspection pit. It
also features specially
milled, doubled sided basswood siding, and a complete stud wall and
post and beam
interior.

The attached machine shop includes a lathe, drill press, coal stove,
desk, and a large work
table with a bench grinder.

Others buildings include a brick boiler house, a storage warehouse,
and a coal bunker.
The kit also includes a one-piece Hydrocal ash pit. All Hyrdocal
masters were made by
New England Brownstone. There is also a plan included to build a
coal trestle.

Accompanying the extensive instruction book, is the DVD, "Building the
Branchline/Backwoods Roundhouse".

Photos and ordering information are available on my website. This is
a limited edition kit.
Only 300 will be made. Kits will be ready to ship on October 15th.
The price is $310.00
plus $15.00 shipping in the United States. Please contact me for
international shipping
rates.

Thanks,

Scott
www.scottymason.com


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Re: Any recommendations for Minneapolis & St. Louis boxcar green?

Douglas Harding <dharding@...>
 

Sorry Tim, got my dates wrong. Clark's article has the correct info.

Doug Harding
www.iowacentralrr.org


Re: Wheel diameter on PSCX 1091

water.kresse@...
 

Rich,

My oldest CBC is 1937. Thanks for the lead or suggestion.

Al Kresse

-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Richard Yoder" <oscale48@...>
HI Al,
Did you check car builders the cyclopedia from earlier years??

Sincerely, Rich Yoder
7 Edgedale Court
Wyomissing PA 19610-1913
610-678-2834 after 6:00PM est until 10:00PM
www.richyodermodels.com

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From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of
al.kresse
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 5:48 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Wheel diameter on PSCX 1091

Folks,

Would anyone know the wheel size [33" or 35"] on the 4-wheel Buckeye
trucks with 6 1/2" x 12" journals for their 91-ton gon prototype
submitted for consideration by the C&O in 1921. The C&O went with 6-
wheel trucks and smaller journals.

Al Kresse

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Re: gacx 42000-100 blt?

Ed Hawkins
 

On Aug 2, 2008, at 11:55 PM, allen rueter wrote:

When were gacx 42000-100 built? they show up on some way bills
in 1954, I'm guessing these are 70t 2600cf covered hoppers? built by?
Allen,
I discussed the earliest General American Airslide covered hopper cars
on page 69 of RP CYC Vol. 17. While the article primarily covers cars
built for railroads, I also mentioned various groups of GACX cars to
put the railroad-owned cars in context with the GACX lease fleet. The
GACX 2,600 c.f. Airslides in the 42000-series built through 1959 were a
mix of 50-ton and 70-ton cars that were leased to railroads and private
owners will be shown in subsequent volumes.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


Re: Digest Number 5322

Justin Kahn
 

Thanks for all the help, guys. Reporting marks are BWCX, since the previous owner used Champ's set. What didn't occur to me until after I posted is that they are probably wrong anyway, as the car is a GLCa, and I'd guess the Berwind cars that went to PRR were GLC pattern. In any event, since I am pretty sure I had an RMC subscription in 1986 I'll dig around until I find that article. I suppose it could tell me that Berwind did have GLCa pattern hoppers, as the fellow I bought it from is no novice.

Jace Kahn, General Manager
Ceres and Canisteo RR Co.

Having bought a finished brass hopper from another modeler (and hoping not to have to strip a good paint job), I realized I knew very little about the Berwind operation. Was production sold to retail outlets (i.e., local coal dealers) or did it all go to industrial consumers? In other words, would a Berwind hopper show up in a way-freight or on a shortline?
Jace Kahn

Jace, recommend you read Richard Burg's "The Berwind Hopper Cars"
from the October 1986 issue of Railroad Model Craftsman for an
overview.


"Was production sold to retail outlets (i.e., local coal dealers) or
did it all go to industrial consumers? In other words, would a
Berwind hopper show up in a way-freight or on a shortline?"

Aremand Premo replied:
"Berwind cars frequently showed up on the Rutland in Alburgh, Vt in
unusually large numbers. They were interchanged with the Central
Vermont and returned as empties usually within a week. I am still
trying to find out where they went after the CV."

I'll take Armand's word for it, as review of some of his Alburgh
sheets don't show "unusually large numbers". The data points that I
do have show four loaded cars at Alburgh on May 19, 1947:

BWCX 1801 (Arrived May 26, 1947)
BWCX 1870 (Arrived May 24, 1947)
BWCX 3602 (Arrived May 24, 1947)
BWCX 3809 (Arrived May 24, 1947)

Conversely, single empty cars appeared in Train 9 on the following
dates:
BWCX 1806 November 21, 1950
BWCX 3531 July 17, 1950
BWCX 3702 July 16, 1950
BWCX 4158 November 14, 1950
BWCX 4381 January 27, 1949
BWCX 4949 July 11, 1950

As Armand noted, we really have to figure out who the customers were
to make sense of this pattern, but it does support the occasional car
in a train.

(One final note: the PRR eventually acquired the Berwind fleet and
ran them under "BWC" reporting marks, but this happened after the
time period covered by this list.)
Ben Hom
Are the reporting marks on the model BWCX or NRBX? The former were
found over most of the Northeast, the latter were almost exclusively
found on the C&O in tidewater coal traffic, as discussed back in 2005
on this list.
Bruce F. Smith

Just to add one more point; Berwind's Pennsylvania (BWCX) coal assets during
your period of interest were primarily bituminous, and therefore, mostly used
as either met coal or in power plants/steam plants, foundries and such, not
for household use. That may be why you saw them in small groups more often
than as singles. You could reflect this in where you sent the car, on your
layout, as a single car moving bituminous to a small foundry, perhaps, as a
nice little operational option, if you are into that.
Elden Gatwood

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gacx 42000-100 blt?

Allen Rueter
 

When were gacx 42000-100 built? they show up on some way bills
in 1954, I'm guessing these are 70t 2600cf covered hoppers? built by?

Allen Rueter


Re: Life Like P2k 10k Insulated Tankcar Type 21

Allen Rueter
 

Did any one save a copy of bmx9000? I don't see it in the files section.


Thanks
Allen Rueter

--- In STMFC@..., "Patrick Wider" <pwider@...> wrote:

--- In STMFC@..., "Patrick Wider" <pwider@s...> wrote:
Greg, Check out BMX5281 I just loaded into the files section.

Pat Wider
Greg, I've also loaded BMX9000 to show a newer car circa 1946.

Pat Wider


Re: New Craftsman Structure Kit Available

Richard Dermody <ddermody@...>
 

Scott,

What is the degree spacing of the stalls?

Dick

On Aug 2, 2008, at 8:34 PM, smason22000 wrote:

Hi folks,

I'm pleased to announce the release of my first HO scale, craftsman structure kit, "The
Branchline/Backwoods Roundhouse.

The kit includes a medium-sized, three-stall wood roundhouse, based on typical wood
roundhouse architecture seen throughout the United States and Canada. The roundhouse
is designed to hold locomotives up to 75 scale feet in length, and is compact enough to fit
on a shelf layout.

The roundhouse has a cast Hydrocal floor with one inspection pit. It also features specially
milled, doubled sided basswood siding, and a complete stud wall and post and beam
interior.

The attached machine shop includes a lathe, drill press, coal stove, desk, and a large work
table with a bench grinder.

Others buildings include a brick boiler house, a storage warehouse, and a coal bunker.
The kit also includes a one-piece Hydrocal ash pit. All Hyrdocal masters were made by
New England Brownstone. There is also a plan included to build a coal trestle.

Accompanying the extensive instruction book, is the DVD, "Building the
Branchline/Backwoods Roundhouse".

Photos and ordering information are available on my website. This is a limited edition kit.
Only 300 will be made. Kits will be ready to ship on October 15th. The price is $310.00
plus $15.00 shipping in the United States. Please contact me for international shipping
rates.

Thanks,

Scott
www.scottymason.com


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For Sale: Changing scales...HO brass models, resin and craftsman kits available

Rob Adams
 

After much consideration, I've decided to switch to O scale and will be parting with most of my HO models and kits.

I presently have several hard-to-find brass and resin kits listed on eBay, including

* W&R Enterprises brass Northern Pacific single sheathed box with KC
brakes,
* two Challenger brass CB&Q stock cars
* Challenger brass CB&Q waycar
* Southern Ry HS Smokey Mountain Model Works Southern Ry 41' flat
car - out of production
* CofG Ry HS Smokey Mountain Model Works 40-ton Ventilated Box Car -
out of production
* Speedwitch Central of Georgia USRA rebuilt box car with Murphy
Radial Roof
* Sunshine BREX 78200-series truss rod reefer

Unless noted otherwise, the stuff is all mint or as-new. Many more resin kits from Sunshine, Speedwitch and Westerfield, detail parts and decal sets will be listed over the coming weeks as I cull through my accumulated treasures. Ditto structure kits and motive power.

The following is a link to my auctions: (ebay id: thesteamera)
<http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/thesteamera_W0QQ_nkwZQQ_armrsZ1QQ_fromZQQ_mdoZQQ_sopZ12>

Kind regards, Rob Adams


Re: ATSF BX-3 Brake Wheel Replacement?

Jason Sanford <parkcitybranch@...>
 

Thank you Richard.  This is exactly what I needed. 
 
Jason Sanford

--- On Sat, 8/2/08, Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@...> wrote:

From: Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@...>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] ATSF BX-3 Brake Wheel Replacement?
To: STMFC@...
Date: Saturday, August 2, 2008, 5:20 PM

On Aug 2, 2008, at 2:08 PM, parkcitybranch wrote:

I am looking to replace the brake wheel on my Pecos ATSF BX-3, it is
horribly oversized. Does anyon know what kind of brakewheel the BX-3
had? If you happen to know who makes one in brass in HO, that would
help to. Thanks.





Jason, they were five spoke wheels with curved spokes; I'm sending
you a builder's end view off-list which shows this. Precision Scale
#31119 is just what you need.

Richard and Sandra Hendrickson



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SHPX Tank Car Lettering

umtrr <gji@...>
 

Micro-Trains has just reprinted its N Scale single dome tank car
lettered for Shippers Car Line (SHPX 7675) as part of its August 2008
releases.

It is painted black with white lettering including on the left from top
to bottom: small company name, white stripe, reporting marks with
periods, white stripe. This is a paint scheme found on several
different tank car types in numerous photos in Rail Model Journal
articles, and has also been used by different manufacturers in
different scales.

Speculating that it was within the time period covered here, about when
did Shippers switch to reporting marks only on tank cars, replacing the
scheme described above? I'm recognizing that repainting might not have
occurred until some time later, if at all.

Thanks in advance for any guidance on this.

Cheers,
George Irwin


More on PFE R-30-16 rebuilds

Bruce Smith
 

--- In STMFC@..., Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@...> wrote:

Bruce, I have no suitable photos of an R-30-12-16 with Bettendorf
underframe. However, I'm sending you off-list a 4/48 photo of an
R-30-13-16 with twin-center-sill underframe which still had KC air
brakes. To model this car, you will have to rework the underframe by
using a Tichy u/f instead of the R/C u/f.
So I have to ask <G> - if the Tichy car is an R-40-2/4 and we're talking R-30-12-16, what
is the difference between the 30 and 40 ton cars with built-up u/f? I can that the R-40-2/4
series appears to have different trucks from the R-30-12/13 series T-section trucks. Is it
just the trucks?

Regards
Bruce

Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


New Craftsman Structure Kit Available

smason22000 <smason2@...>
 

Hi folks,

I'm pleased to announce the release of my first HO scale, craftsman structure kit, "The
Branchline/Backwoods Roundhouse.

The kit includes a medium-sized, three-stall wood roundhouse, based on typical wood
roundhouse architecture seen throughout the United States and Canada. The roundhouse
is designed to hold locomotives up to 75 scale feet in length, and is compact enough to fit
on a shelf layout.

The roundhouse has a cast Hydrocal floor with one inspection pit. It also features specially
milled, doubled sided basswood siding, and a complete stud wall and post and beam
interior.

The attached machine shop includes a lathe, drill press, coal stove, desk, and a large work
table with a bench grinder.

Others buildings include a brick boiler house, a storage warehouse, and a coal bunker.
The kit also includes a one-piece Hydrocal ash pit. All Hyrdocal masters were made by
New England Brownstone. There is also a plan included to build a coal trestle.

Accompanying the extensive instruction book, is the DVD, "Building the
Branchline/Backwoods Roundhouse".

Photos and ordering information are available on my website. This is a limited edition kit.
Only 300 will be made. Kits will be ready to ship on October 15th. The price is $310.00
plus $15.00 shipping in the United States. Please contact me for international shipping
rates.

Thanks,

Scott
www.scottymason.com


Re: Lake Terminal 3000 series hopper cars - question

Ed Hawkins
 

On Aug 2, 2008, at 6:20 PM, jim_mischke wrote:

Question to the group: Does anyone know anything about these Lake
Terminal 3000 series hopper cars? Builder??
Jim,
Lake Terminal 3000-3149 was built by Magor Car Corp. in 1951.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


Lake Terminal 3000 series hopper cars - question

jim_mischke <jmischke@...>
 

B&O picked up some older Lake Terminal 3000 series hoppers in the early
1960's. LT is a Lorain, Ohio switching road.

I have only ever seen two photos. One as a Lake Terminal hopper in the
extensive Lake Terminal section of a book on area switching roads (name
escapes me at the moment). The other is a photo of B&O 23038 (ex LT
3038 renumbered by adding the front "2"), by Paul Dunn, from Richard
Burg.

How I made the research connection: Reweigh symbol on B&O 23038 is "LT
3-62", LT is not a B&O symbol. I looked through every page of the
1964 ORER for hoppers with matching cubic capacity of the B&O 23000
series. (Actually this goes fast in a speed reading sort of way.)
Lake Terminal popped out. ORER organization being what it is, 'tis
easier and quicker to find an eastern road car than a western road car.

Hopper is ribbed side, with lots and lots of ribs.

I collect freight car diagram books (many as PDF files from Allen
Stanley), a Lake Terminal book is elusive. Lake Terminal is now part
of TransStar and local filing cabinets went to the main office in
Pittsburgh. Not friendly in a Union Railroad sort of way, I'm not sure
I will ever be able to crack that source.

Question to the group: Does anyone know anything about these Lake
Terminal 3000 series hopper cars? Builder??

Once I know the builder and date, I can go the builder route to learn
about them.


Re: ATSF BX-3 Brake Wheel Replacement?

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Aug 2, 2008, at 2:08 PM, parkcitybranch wrote:

I am looking to replace the brake wheel on my Pecos ATSF BX-3, it is
horribly oversized. Does anyon know what kind of brakewheel the BX-3
had? If you happen to know who makes one in brass in HO, that would
help to. Thanks.





Jason, they were five spoke wheels with curved spokes; I'm sending
you a builder's end view off-list which shows this. Precision Scale
#31119 is just what you need.

Richard and Sandra Hendrickson


Re: B&O M-53 trucks

Ed Sommer
 

Jim,
Thanks for the info.  Good luck in your quest.
 Ed Sommer
San Jose, CA


"The Constitution only gives people the right to pursue happiness. You have to catch it yourself." B.Franklin

----- Original Message ----
From: jim_mischke <jmischke@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Saturday, August 2, 2008 3:48:49 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: B&O M-53 trucks



I have an alternate view.

We have found that B&O often specified its own proprietary sideframe
designs, and provided them to DuBois shops or even manufacturers from
the Mt. Clare foundry.

Research is ongoing.  There are many word references to B&O freight
truck designs, we of the B&O freight car mafia are trying to tie them
to particular side frame drawings and car orders.

When we get them sorted out, even just one, we can have the model
truck makers produce them for the pure of heart.

In the meantime, Ed, the Accurail "Bettendorf" is an adequate stand
in for the forseeable future for your M-53.











--- In STMFC@..., Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@...>
wrote:

On Jul 24, 2008, at 7:24 PM, Edward Sommer wrote:

I purchased two F&C models of the M-53 at the NTS, one is the 
freight version and the other is the express box version.  In
the 
directions F&C says to use the trucks of your choice.  I've
search 
the archives and found a lot of references to the M-53 but could 
not find any reference as to truck types.  Does anyone know what 
truck would be appropriate for these cars?  Does the express 
versions use the same truck of something different?  TIA for any
help.







Ed, several photos of freight M-53s show AAR cast steel trucks
with 
spring planks and Barber lateral motion bolsters.  That's a truck 
that's never been made in HO scale, but apart from the Barber
lateral 
motion devices the new Tahoe Scale Models Buckeye truck would be a 
good choice.  Maybe Brian can be induced to do a version of the 
Buckeye truck with Barber lateral motion bolsters.  Accurail's so 
called "Bettendorf" truck would also be appropriate.  I have no 
photos of the express cars so I don't know what trucks were used
on 
them, though if someone has an image that shows the express car 
trucks and could scan it for me, I'll take a shot at identifying
them.

Richard Hendrickson



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Re: B&O M-53 trucks

jim_mischke <jmischke@...>
 

I have an alternate view.

We have found that B&O often specified its own proprietary sideframe
designs, and provided them to DuBois shops or even manufacturers from
the Mt. Clare foundry.

Research is ongoing. There are many word references to B&O freight
truck designs, we of the B&O freight car mafia are trying to tie them
to particular side frame drawings and car orders.

When we get them sorted out, even just one, we can have the model
truck makers produce them for the pure of heart.

In the meantime, Ed, the Accurail "Bettendorf" is an adequate stand
in for the forseeable future for your M-53.











--- In STMFC@..., Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@...>
wrote:

On Jul 24, 2008, at 7:24 PM, Edward Sommer wrote:

I purchased two F&C models of the M-53 at the NTS, one is the
freight version and the other is the express box version. In
the
directions F&C says to use the trucks of your choice. I've
search
the archives and found a lot of references to the M-53 but could
not find any reference as to truck types. Does anyone know what
truck would be appropriate for these cars? Does the express
versions use the same truck of something different? TIA for any
help.







Ed, several photos of freight M-53s show AAR cast steel trucks
with
spring planks and Barber lateral motion bolsters. That's a truck
that's never been made in HO scale, but apart from the Barber
lateral
motion devices the new Tahoe Scale Models Buckeye truck would be a
good choice. Maybe Brian can be induced to do a version of the
Buckeye truck with Barber lateral motion bolsters. Accurail's so
called "Bettendorf" truck would also be appropriate. I have no
photos of the express cars so I don't know what trucks were used
on
them, though if someone has an image that shows the express car
trucks and could scan it for me, I'll take a shot at identifying
them.

Richard Hendrickson





Re: Whose box cars were these originally?

jim_mischke <jmischke@...>
 

When boxcars make the secondhand rounds like this, there is often
long term leases involved, not equipment trusts. When the lease is
terminated, the dealer/broker/owner goes looking for a new leasee if
the equipment is still serviceable.

So the idea that Erie sold them to NP who sold them to LSBC may not
be the case. Needs some research to find the real story.

Sometimes these financing arrangments are stencilled in the upper
corner of the boxcar, and can provide some insight.

B&O picked up a lot of older secondhand cars (within list scope),
many from brokers, others bought or leased directly from railroads
during the 1960's (outside list scope). Circumstances differ. PRR,
P&LE, Rock Island, Reading, C&O, Ann Arbor boxcars. Reading, C&O,
Virginian, Maine Central, Lehigh Valley, N&W, L&NE hoppers come to
mind. PRR G31 gondolas for wheel service.

Earlier B&O leased H3 hoppers from N&W (1944-1948), quad offset
hoppers from B&M, gondolas from B&M, hoppers from CNJ (1955-1962).

A few of these can really spice up a B&O layout.





--- In STMFC@..., Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@...>
wrote:

On Jul 27, 2008, at 7:57 PM, Tim O'Connor wrote:

What kind of end is this -- Buckeye?
http://www.first-out.com/ebay/0726035.jpg



Yes. These LS&BC cars were third hand, from the Northern Pacific
which acquired them, via a second-hand dealer, from the Erie.

Richard Hendrickson



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